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 October 16, 2006
COMMUTING IN AMERICA....Via James Joyner, it appears that the Transportation Research Board has released its third study on commuting patterns and trends. As you can see in the chart below, the main finding is pretty stark: the number of workers has increased by 31 million since 1980 while the number of workers who drive alone to work has increased by 34 million. Despite the population increase, carpooling is down (except in the West), transit use is down (except in the West), walking is down, and motorcycle use is down. The only bright spot is an increase in people like me, who work from home. The author of the report also produced a "top ten" list of commuting tidbits. Here are the top five:
Why are more people leaving for work before 6 am? The increase seems to be way out of proportion to the average growth in commuting time, which has risen only four minutes in the past 20 years.
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A lot of Americans are hardworking morning people who like to listen to the entire Limbaugh morning show on their way into work. I guess you sleepy head liberals don't understand the beauty of a sunrise. Posted by: Al on October 16, 2006 at 1:02 PM | PERMALINKProbably a response to HOV lanes and flex scheduling. In the DC area, at least, several key arteries become carpool lanes at 6:30 am. Also, many employers allow people to come in and leave early or late so that they're not having to drive during the height of rush hour. Posted by: James Joyner on October 16, 2006 at 1:05 PM | PERMALINKWhy are more people leaving for work before 6 am? Businesses have more flexible working hours - either to accommodate their employee's schedules or to provide more around-the-clock coverage. Plus, leaving before 6am allows you to beat a lot of rush hour traffic... Posted by: grape_crush on October 16, 2006 at 1:05 PM | PERMALINKKevin, you should watch a David Gorman show. You'll love his "what has that done to our graph" jokes. Posted by: Anne on October 16, 2006 at 1:07 PM | PERMALINKBecause I work 12 hours/day, and my wife insists on me being home for dinner around 6. You might also want to check how often people take commutter flights and what time they have to be at the airport. Posted by: blank on October 16, 2006 at 1:08 PM | PERMALINKyeah, my guess is people are leaving earlier to miss traffic. extra minutes spent mulling the bumper in front of you add up to hours real quick. Posted by: mudwall jackson on October 16, 2006 at 1:08 PM | PERMALINKThat's that vaunted productivity we've heard so much about; come early, stay late, eat lunch at your desk and maybe management will lay off the other guy. But I'm guessing that if so many people didn't leave for work at six the average commute time would be much higher. Posted by: Jim 7 on October 16, 2006 at 1:10 PM | PERMALINKA chart of gasoline consumption. It seems like the gasoline consumption increase hasn't gone up as steeply as the number of driving commuters. Posted by: blueheron on October 16, 2006 at 1:11 PM | PERMALINKThe answer may be millions of uncompensated hours worked, actually. I commute 30 miles, roughly one hour's drive time, each way and leave by 6:45 am to reach my office by 7:45. I head home at 5 p.m. and get there around 6. I am working more than 8 hours per day to get my job done while earning the same salary I'd get for a 40-hour week. Many may be doing the same. Posted by: Jerry on October 16, 2006 at 1:12 PM | PERMALINKI agree with grape_crush and mudwall. Leaving early lets you drive at or near the speed limit. I know that my commute would have gone from 75 minutes to 120 minutes if I left even ten minutes later in the morning. Fortunately, I can now work from home or take a scenic commute through vineyards for half an hour. Posted by: Common Sense on October 16, 2006 at 1:17 PM | PERMALINKI recently interviewed on both coasts (and ended up in the West), which gave me a lot of time to scope out some pretty congested areas. The leaving-before-6 on the West seems to have grown due to increasing crowding and increasing congestion - the place you lived that had a 45 minue commute 5-10 years ago is now a 90 minute commute Some people I work with now blow off a normal schedule, leave at literally 4 or 5 in the morning, so they can miss all the traffic either way. Public transport helps, but only so much. Posted by: DragonScholar on October 16, 2006 at 1:22 PM | PERMALINKI seriously doubt that the average commute time has only increased a few minutes. The outer-ring commuters I talk to always exaggerate how quickly they can get into/out of downtown. Better home values and increasing urban decay might account for the growth of "donut metro" commuters. Americans have become far more selfish in the last 20 years. Posted by: wishIwuz2 on October 16, 2006 at 1:23 PM | PERMALINKI've been waiting nearly two years for the promised start-up of the light rail line between Los Lunas (less expensive housing) and Albuquerque (where everybody works unless they're descendants of the old Los Lunas families or employees of the school system or Walmart). The latest hold-up is attributed to the lack of rails. Even when the commuter train begins its runs through here, you can depart only at 6 or 7 am, or 1:45 or 7:45 pm. There are no other times planned, and weekend service is only a shimmer on the horizon. The only bus service to Albuquerque was privately run, and discontinued last year when the owner retired. And there are huge subdivisions being planned and built by California investors as I write, on what was ranchland. So there's no end or relief in sight. Posted by: Jame on October 16, 2006 at 1:24 PM | PERMALINKThe largest increase in jobs has been in healthcare, spicifically the allied professions such as radiologic and laboratory medicine, the day shift starts at 0600. That will account for some of the folks commuting before sunrise. And boy do a lot of those lazy sunrise-unappreciative healthcare professionals lean left, because we know from the need for healthcare reform. Posted by: Global Citizen on October 16, 2006 at 1:28 PM | PERMALINKI moved closer to my office (5 miles). Then my office got closed down in a layoff. Now I commute 20 miles. Posted by: Osama_Been_Forgotten on October 16, 2006 at 1:31 PM | PERMALINKA lot of Americans are hardworking morning people who like to listen to the entire Limbaugh morning show on their way into work. I guess you sleepy head liberals don't understand the beauty of a sunrise. Posted by: Al on October 16, 2006 at 1:02 PM Uh, Al, Limbaugh's on from noon to 3 p.m. ET, 9 a.m. to noon Pacific. And I can certainly see where some commute to work before 6 a.m. There are a sizable number of D.C. commuters who live in the eastern panhandle of West Virginia and either drive or take the train to work. Posted by: Vincent on October 16, 2006 at 1:31 PM | PERMALINKWhy are more people leaving for work before 6 am? The increase seems to be way out of proportion to the average growth in commuting time, which has risen only four minutes in the past 20 years. A desire to minimize the commute time (and avoid the more gummed-up hours of the drive)? This can be a simple quality-of-life issue of preferring to drive when there are fewer cars on the road, even if the amount of time it takes is about the same. And or it might be that people who try going in earlier have discovered that in addition to minimizing the commute time, it's easier to get more done by arriving at work before many of one's co-workers? Posted by: Nell on October 16, 2006 at 1:32 PM | PERMALINKWell, in my case, it's because I have so much shit to do, I have to leave @5:30... Posted by: Tony Shifflett on October 16, 2006 at 1:34 PM | PERMALINKIncreased flex hours is responsible for the increase of 6:00 a.m. commuters. This is probably part of the reason that the average commute time has not risen more than 4 minutes- traffic volume has spread itself out. Posted by: Yancey Ward on October 16, 2006 at 1:39 PM | PERMALINKI'll hypothesize the increasing number of two-career couples with kids. One parent leaves before 6 to get home when the kids return from school. Posted by: DAn F. on October 16, 2006 at 1:42 PM | PERMALINKDo all of those people leaving at 6:00AM head straight for the office, or are they fitting in an AM workout at the gym? I know quite a few folks who do that. Posted by: fiat lux on October 16, 2006 at 1:44 PM | PERMALINKSpeaking for the Bay Area, the rise in the commute time is due to the real estate market. The jobs are still in the city, but the affordable houses are in far off places like Tracy and Stockton. Posted by: jimmy on October 16, 2006 at 1:47 PM | PERMALINKBecause they represent such a tiny fraction of the workforce, I really don't think that the "continued, pervasive, and substantial increases in working at home" are deserving of either their ranking in the "top ten" list or of being singled out by you as a particularly significant finding of the report -- apart, that is, from it giving you the opportunity to nonchalantly type out that "the only bright spot is an increase in people like me." "Why are more people leaving for work before 6 am? The increase seems to be way out of proportion to the average growth in commuting time, which has risen only four minutes in the past 20 years." People are motivated to change work hours by the difference between highs and lows, not the average. Besides, if the new average includes lots of people zooming in early, that has to be balanced by a peak density worse than the average implies. Posted by: Lanky on October 16, 2006 at 1:50 PM | PERMALINK"Why are more people leaving for work before 6 am?" I run 8-12 miles a day and combine exercising and commuting. I'm a sub-3:00 marathoner, so that run usually doesn't take much time (55 to 90 minutes, depending on distance and pace), but leaving before 6:00 lets me be at my desk by 7:30--which allows me to go home before 8:00 PM, something that is reasonably uncommon in my field. Posted by: Joe on October 16, 2006 at 1:53 PM | PERMALINKYou really cannot trust some "car pooling" statistics. A company I worked for in LA was under (local? state?) pressure to promote ride-sharing. So they offered the incentive of special parking spaces near the entrance (in a very large parking lot) for those cars that displayed car-pooling stickers and numerous exhortations from HR to sign-up - name somebody that you share with and both of you got stickers. However everybody knew that nobody checked if there actually multiple occupants in the program cars. Thus the company was able to report impressive figures that meant nothing. Posted by: MonkeyBoy on October 16, 2006 at 2:09 PM | PERMALINKI leave the house at 5:30, commute into NYC (via public transit), and work out before going to the office. Obviously, Al's Mommy tells poor Al that it's 6AM when she wakes him when it's really noon. So he listens to Limpdick when he's commuting to "work" (shhh, don't tell Al, but the asylum he goes to every day isn't really work). Posted by: MeLoseBrain? on October 16, 2006 at 2:17 PM | PERMALINKI think the commute has gone up because people like it that way. I'm not saying it's perfect but when they balance their options they've got the best deal they could find. What does the inevitability of scarcity have to do with the distance between work and home? Posted by: jimmy on October 16, 2006 at 2:35 PM | PERMALINKThe bar graph is messed up, the 2000 bars add up to more than 100%. The big increases in drive alone in 1990 and 2000 are not balanced by decreases elsewhere. Something is wrong. Posted by: James B. Shearer on October 16, 2006 at 2:40 PM | PERMALINKJames, The y-axis is not %, but absolute numbers. Posted by: Yancey Ward on October 16, 2006 at 2:51 PM | PERMALINKHouses within price range Jobs It's rather weird, I think, that anyone would buy a house not near their work... But I guess some people think owning a house is more important than several hours of their life every day and the expense of a single-driver vehicle. We save a hundred dollars a month by using mass transit and bicycles, as well as choosing an apartment near a rail line and within walking distance of the grocery. ...But most houses are not like ours. And ours comes with the problem of yards that are trampled by unsupervised children which overpopulate the rental apartment complexes... Posted by: Crissa on October 16, 2006 at 3:09 PM | PERMALINKThis is consistent with the population shift to the southern cities like Atlanta and Houston. These cities have built large suburbs outside the metro area. Posted by: Jon on October 16, 2006 at 3:33 PM | PERMALINKThis is consistent with the population shift to the southern cities like Atlanta and Houston. These cities have built large suburbs outside the metro area. Posted by: Jon on October 16, 2006 at 3:35 PM | PERMALINKUh, Al, Limbaugh's on from noon to 3 p.m. ET, 9 a.m. to noon Pacific. You have to remember that "Al" is actually written by some liberal idiot who wouldn't know Rush Limbaugh from Rush the band. Posted by: cqc on October 16, 2006 at 3:41 PM | PERMALINKThe pre-6 a.m. increase is easy to explain. In my area the commute is 25 minutes if you leave at 5:30 a.m., 45 minutes if you leave between 6 a.m. and 8 a.m., with a gradual drop back down to 25 minutes as you approach the 9 a.m. departure slot. The 6-8 a.m. crowd is also a mean, bitter bunch. Tailgating weaving, and aggression are the norm among these caffeine-fueled grumps, stuck with their bitter marriages, sulky teenage children, and maniacal bosses, with time to brood behind the steering wheel when their psychological defenses are at their lowest. The ride home in the afternoon is much less competitive and angry. Posted by: HydroCabron on October 16, 2006 at 3:45 PM | PERMALINKI think that there are a whole host of reasons for this. 1) People live further away from where they work, thus necessitating longer commutes. 2) Underinvestment in public transportation networks, thus forcing people to drive. 3) More and more people are crunched for time and therefore do errands on the way to and from work, thus forcing them to drive instead of carpooling or taking public transit. I live in Seattle, probably the largest city in the country to not have light rail or a subway system. We have an excellent bus system, but the buses get stuck in the same traffic as everyone else, so they do not save much time. We are so far behind the curve on public transit that it is not even funny. A light rail system is finally getting built, but the first leg will not be finished until 2009, and the second leg until 2016. No plans yet exist for light rail from downtown Seattle to the Eastside or up and down the Eastside, which means they will not get built until 2020-2025. So we are looking at another twenty years before we even have a light rail system as extensive as BART in the BayArea, the T in Boston, or the Metro in DC. We have certain locations where due to poor freeway design you can expect to sit in a traffic jam pretty much from 6am to 8pm, even on weekends. Posted by: mfw13 on October 16, 2006 at 3:49 PM | PERMALINKWhy are more people leaving for work before 6 am? The increase seems to be way out of proportion to the average growth in commuting time, which has risen only four minutes in the past 20 years. I think that's part of why the average commuting time hasn't increased more: rush hour has spread out into a 3-4 hour period. IME, though, it's easier to avoid the worst of rush hour by going in later rather than earlier. Where my wife and I work, our day originally started at 8am. Now it starts at 8:15am, partly because the traffic's lessened by then. If we go in at 8:30, it's even lighter. But if for some reason we have to head in at 7:30am, it's much heavier. Posted by: RT on October 16, 2006 at 3:57 PM | PERMALINKKevin, come on: What would the commute time be if people weren't leaving before 6AM? Posted by: pebird on October 16, 2006 at 4:04 PM | PERMALINKwho wouldn't know Rush Limbaugh from Rush the band. Lemme see - one creates screechy, almost unlistenable whining noises, and the other is a band from Canada. Is that right? Posted by: craigie on October 16, 2006 at 4:17 PM | PERMALINKYancey Ward said: "The y-axis is not %, but absolute numbers." Thanks.
I lived in DC for two years before recently moving to a mid-sized area (Research Triangle, NC). Commutes are blessedly short and top jobs are widespread. In other words, people live in crappy areas like DC and drive insane times and distances to have a moderately acceptable home life because they either 1) don't have the gumption to look for jobs in good places to live or 2) are afraid of living without their over-hyped city "culture." ("But there's nothing to doooo!" is a commonly false assertion I hear about life outside of NY, DC, SF, LA, or Chicago.) People get stuck and are too lazy to change. Posted by: polthereal on October 16, 2006 at 4:39 PM | PERMALINK"Why are more people leaving for work before 6 am? " I do so because I have conference calls with Europe/India all the time, and after a few experiments with taking those calls from home, it's just easier on the family if I drag myself out of bed half an hour earlier, and take the calls from the office. Posted by: Amit Joshi on October 16, 2006 at 5:22 PM | PERMALINKI'm quite sure that earlier commute start times result from:
""But there's nothing to doooo!"" Man, I was in NC raleigh, durham, whatever area last year. It's a cultural wasteland. An endless stripmall hell. It looks EXACTLY like redmond washington, or any other prosperous american suburb but for different vegetation. Sure its going to be no different from the suburbs of DC, or anywhere else, but it is nothing like living in a real city. I was bored out of my mind, and other guests that the people I was staying with have all reported the same thing to thier hosts, who also find it rather boring (though they are occupied with a small child). Posted by: jefff on October 16, 2006 at 5:38 PM | PERMALINKHere in Portland, OR, we have tens of thousands of people who bike to work. I quit daily driving my 11 mile commute in April, ride my fixed-gear bike and hop on the train to get over the West Hills. The light rail service here has hooks for bikes, and my employer gives us all annual passes that are good on the train, the bus, and an expanding streetcar line. I walk from my fairly affordable house to the supermarket, over 50 restaurants, and many local shops, none of which is a Walmart. The best part of my day is the evening, after getting off the train at Goose Hollow, and blasting downhill through the downtown streets, going faster than the cars, and zipping onto the Hawthorne Bridge and looking down at the Willamette River. That's when I think: if my commute were shorter, it would mean a reduction in my quality of life. I will say that it took me four months to start this from when I got the job. All the excuses take a while to work out of your system. Even if you don't live in the most enlightened city in the US, that's all they are: excuses. Posted by: in search of tossed limes on October 16, 2006 at 5:40 PM | PERMALINKPS I used to live in NC and moved to DC to escape all the crazy women-haters, abortion-bomber-shelterers, Jesse Helms-voters, and rampant homophobes (not to mention Republicans) who lived there. My only regret is that I didn't leave NC as soon as I arrived, and instead wasted 5 years there. The research triangle area isn't that bad. It's an oasis of Northern emigrees, mostly. Just don't leave the compound. Posted by: Matilde on October 16, 2006 at 5:40 PM | PERMALINKThe price of gasoline is too low, but George will start a war with Iran and fix that. Posted by: Ambrose on October 16, 2006 at 6:01 PM | PERMALINKForget the selfish commuter--most of us no longer have a choice. The workday may not start earlier than it used to for most of us, but it is certainly longer. It may average out to about 9-to-5 over the long haul, but it does not mean that every day is going to be close to average. Everyone I know has to change his non-work-related plans on the fly because of one emergency at work or another. It's not often that people will be asked to come in early, but it is quite frequent that they are either asked or feel obligated to stay late. Since service businesses largely are on the same schedule, that means that we now have less time to attend to them--dry cleaning, non-food shopping, car service, etc. Quite often, these days, showing up at a car dealership for routine service after 7:30 am can mean not getting service until the next day. If the dealer does not offer a car, you're screwed. That's the kind of stuff that adds time to "commute". Sure there are still door-to-door type services (e.g., home or work pick-up and delivery dry cleaning) but most people feel squeezed. And having unpredictable schedule, combined with more services to deal with on the way home, creates a need for lone-wolf commute. Actually, there is another reason for this. Services have been moving from neighborhoods to malls. That means, no more walk-in service--you have to drive. Posted by: buck turgidson on October 16, 2006 at 6:20 PM | PERMALINK"I notice a fair number of people in far-flung suburbs don't live there because they can't afford the city, but because they hate the city. It's not that expensive actually to live in a city, but you have to be willing to actually live like a city dweller..." I think that this is somewhat true, especially of far flug suburbs. Hard to tell how many of them really don't like the city and how many are just ignorant or hating it on principle. However it is also true that most people aren't very good at making rational decisions. The costs of living in the city are pretty immediate: higher rent, less space, more noise. The costs of living in the suburbs are more subtle and sometimes much delayed: longer travel times which worsen over the years, reduced physical activity leading to poor health, seeing freinds less often, narrower life experience, increased travel costs, etc. The suburbs and even more the rural areas are also subsidized by the government with money from urban areas, so suburbs are cheaper to live in than they would be without government action. Posted by: jefff on October 16, 2006 at 6:32 PM | PERMALINKI do a reverse commute-- I live in a city (DC) and work in the Maryland suburbs, and I do it by metro. I could drive, but the unpredictability of commute times due to traffic (even on a reverse commute) makes the process burdensome. Actually, the traffic situation in DC and the beltway is so bad that I find myself coming up with any possible excuse I can to avoid driving. Living in the city gives me access to all of the various events and activities in town without having to deal with the prospect of driving into town to participate in them. Driving everyday would just make me unhappy and much less productive-- between the exhaustion of commuting in traffic and the fact by driving I wouldn't be able to sit on the train and get work done, my lifestyle would suffer. Really, though, traffic is so awful because almost all east-to-west travel in Maryland south of Baltimore is forced to go over the beltway, and the metro is entirely focused getting people from the suburbs to downtown DC rather than acknowledging the reality that some people need to go from one outlying suburb to the other (there are plans for a rail line that would run parallel to the beltway and connect different metro lines to each other, but who knows when that will ever get finished). For people leaving their home county to work, this comes from the increasing necessity of the 2 worker household to make ends meet and the loss of jobs from poor rural areas. I live in IN and the rural counties are losing population. People that stay have to drive to a city to get a job. Many of the people that farm have an off farm job to make ends meet. Businesses need to be close to services, like overnite delivery, airports, etc. etc that are not to be found in rural areas. There is a major restructuring of America taking place, that is more in the hands of the developers than in the hands of urban planners. We will pay later for the inefficiency. Posted by: bakho on October 16, 2006 at 7:41 PM | PERMALINKUh, Al, Limbaugh's on from noon to 3 p.m. ET, 9 a.m. to noon Pacific. Right you are. Right now, I listen to it on AFN in the Aleutian/Hawaii time zone. When I head back to the lower 48 I'll have to start sleeping in. Posted by: Al on October 16, 2006 at 7:42 PM | PERMALINKHere's a mental exercise about the +4 minutes: let's say 1000 people had a 20 minute commute. Now 50 of them work from home, so they have a 0-minute commute. Let's say half (500) of them had no change in commute time. If the average is now 24, that means the other 450 people experienced an 11 minute increase. Not great. Alternatively, let's say that 200 of them started going in to work at 5:30 to beat the traffic, and that's only a 20 minute drive. To get an average of 24, now the remaining 250 suckers that don't have flex time now have a 40 minute commute, double what they had before. Ugh. 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Posted by: F'in Librul on October 16, 2006 at 8:56 PM | PERMALINKThere are a lot of service-sector people who leave for work at 6:00 so that the rest of us can get stuff done on our drives in to work at 7:30. Posted by: Davis X. Machina on October 16, 2006 at 9:39 PM | PERMALINKIn ssearch of tossed limes - The Rose city is totally awesome. I love it. I have a masters in biochem from U of O and I worked at Good Samaritan in Corvallis. When my husband finishes med school, and I am finished with my doctorate, we want to return to the northwest. Hopefully I can get a gig in the environmental sciences department at a northwestern school. Today in KC it was 50 degrees and drizzling. Everyone was bitching about the weather, except me. I rode my bike to school today and felt right at home. Posted by: Global Citizen on October 16, 2006 at 10:42 PM | PERMALINKSo why live in the Bay area at all? There's a whole middle of the country where you can live 15-20 minutes from work, have alow cvost of living, retire young and spend life with your family rather than endlessly commuting and paying astronomical mortages. With the money you save visit the bay area or wherever and be wealthier and happier. If people really cared about work-life balance and commuting they'd just move away from places like SF and LA. Posted by: pppfftt on October 16, 2006 at 10:47 PM | PERMALINKSo why live in the Bay area at all? There's a whole middle of the country where you can live 15-20 minutes from work, have alow cvost of living, retire young and spend life with your family rather than endlessly commuting and paying astronomical mortages. We don't live there anymore. We moved to Baton Rouge for exactly the reasons you cite. Five minutes from work. Housing that is expensive in a regional frame, but a little less than 1/3 the cost per square foot as San Jose. Decent arts and parks, and weather that is tolerable. California is nice, but not the end-all be-all. Posted by: F'in Librul on October 16, 2006 at 11:04 PM | PERMALINKGlobal: Good for you. It only sucks to ride in the rain until you get wet. After that, you can't get any wetter! (Fenders help too). Posted by: In search of tossed lime (formerly peejay) on October 16, 2006 at 11:12 PM | PERMALINKI'm not made of sugar, so I don't melt in the rain. And the moisture is great for my skin! I actually have an interview at U of O over my semester break. My fingers are crossed. I'm kinda into ice and interpolating past climate patterns from ice cores. (I'm such a geek.) Alaska is way more accessable from Oregon than it is from KC. Ice is really cool (get it?) and think about this - "No ice, No us." Posted by: Global Citizen on October 16, 2006 at 11:51 PM | PERMALINK"Why are more people leaving for work before 6 am? The increase seems to be way out of proportion to the average growth in commuting time, which has risen only four minutes in the past 20 years." I think you've answered your own question. People have adjusted, such as leaving in the wee hours of the morning, in order to keep commuting times down. Posted by: Steve Sailer on October 17, 2006 at 12:15 AM | PERMALINKnon fake poster: Uh, Al, Limbaugh's on from noon to 3 p.m. ET, 9 a.m. to noon Pacific. Fake Al: Right you are. Right now, I listen to it on AFN in the Aleutian/Hawaii time zone. When I head back to the lower 48 I'll have to start sleeping in. worst. fake. al. ever. good luck GC, if all else fails you can go to Ohio State and work at the Byrd Center for polar research. It's not Eugene, but you might be able to afford a house with a view (of corn fields or tobacco).
Thanks B - BTW: my daughter logged on this evening and gave you props for your math humor on the NorK Nukes thread from earlier today. She thought your setup was "effing hilarious." Look for "Chev" on that thread. She admits at the top that she is my kid. Posted by: Global Citizen on October 17, 2006 at 3:02 AM | PERMALINKDoes that after commuting time increase of four minutes average in those who work at home (who have a commuting time of zero)? If so, the commuting time is skewed downward considerably. Posted by: rb on October 17, 2006 at 9:16 AM | PERMALINKWhy are more people leaving for work before 6 am? Real estate price differentials that drive living farther from where the jobs are, and the fact that the capacity of roads hasn't kept up with the volume of commuters, so in order for commuting to work, some people have to have offset schedules. Posted by: cmdicely on October 17, 2006 at 10:40 AM | PERMALINKMost people who have easy commutes live in hell holes. (Exceptions are money managers in Aspen/Hamptons) What the fuck is there to do in Research Triangle, NC? No arts/culture. Impossible to get a decent meal. Neighbors are likely to be freaks. Sorry, but I'll take a shitty commute in Chi, NYC, or WDC over East Buttfuck any day.
And yes, Lots of great places Posted by: Auto on October 17, 2006 at 10:59 AM | PERMALINKWhat the fuck is there to do in Research Triangle, NC? No arts/culture. Impossible to get a decent meal. Neighbors are likely to be freaks. Sorry, but I'll take a shitty commute in Chi, NYC, or WDC over East Buttfuck any day. If you live in the cities of Chi, NYC or WDC, you don't have a "shitty commute." Every day, I either take public transit, walk, ride my bike or occasionally grab a cab. Except for CTA delays, it's fast and low on stress. If you live in the suburbs of these cities, you have a shitty commute. And the suburbs aren't exactly bastions of the arts, culture and decent meals you're looking for. Posted by: shortstop on October 17, 2006 at 11:08 AM | PERMALINK"But there's nothing to doooo!"" Man, I was in NC raleigh, durham, whatever area last year. It's a cultural wasteland. An endless stripmall hell. It looks EXACTLY like redmond washington, or any other prosperous american suburb but for different vegetation." "What the fuck is there to do in Research Triangle, NC? No arts/culture. Impossible to get a decent meal. Neighbors are likely to be freaks. Sorry, but I'll take a shitty commute in Chi, NYC, or WDC over East Buttfuck any day." What, were you surprised that Hillsboro Street didn't up and morph into the Champs-a-fuckin-Elysees? I'm really, REALLY, glad you two didn't like my community. We're having a hard time dealing with all you assholes from Connecticut and other festering asshole-infested scabs on the planet. I'm readily defined by my name as a Yankee, so it makes my life easier when two more bad examples stay home. Please don't come back down to my community. You won't like it, we like to eat mayonaise by the tub, listen to Clay Aiken 24-7, and are all racist inbreds. As for the rest of you in case you are wondering about central North Carolina's cultural & recreational opportunities: Friday night before I left town, I had some delicious South Indian cuisine in town here, on par with any Indian food I've had in NY or London. The night before had some pretty damn good Neopolitan cuisine. Food is good and cheap, and I'm not even bringing barbeque into the mix. Around here the local variety, like any decent community, is considered infallible and sacred. As for culture, well, Monet's in town for the next 3 months. While I don't care for his work in general, my mom is spending the full day in a dossant class. What cultural activity is your mother pursuing today? Surely it is more worthwhile than anything to be found in NC. Tonight, Earl Scruggs is playing at the State Fair. I'm sure some of you would argue that Earl Scruggs or the NC state fair are devoid of culture, but that would make you a textbook turd. Plenty of sports-related activities, as well, decent parks, best basketball in the world, oh, and the Stanley cup is down here for a few more months. But I think Jefff and Auto would agree that sports aren't culture and aren't worth leaving the hotel room at the Embassy Suites. The proximity to the mountains and the only beaches worth a shit on the east coast is another plus. But yes, Jeff & Auto, we're full, please stay in the DC area or whatever grey, shit-covered community you live in. 'Cuz God knows there is much more to do there and the people are freakin swell, too! I'll be thinking of you two on my 10 minute commute home, where I traverse about 7 miles of suburban cultural wasteland. Posted by: Please stay in Connecticut on October 17, 2006 at 12:21 PM | PERMALINK"I'll be thinking of you two on my 10 minute commute home" Heh, when I drive my commute is 7 minutes. It is 20 by bus. I won't be thinking of you, I'll be reading a book. Posted by: jefff on October 17, 2006 at 1:22 PM | PERMALINKI know plenty of folks who leave at 6 AM, make the 20 minute drive in 20 minutes instead of 1 hour, and use the extra time to stop at a coffee joint and eat breakfast, then pop over to work. Beats staring at 4 lanes of brake lights in the morning for an hour, and reduces stress. Posted by: Zandar on October 17, 2006 at 2:36 PM | PERMALINKWhen I commuted to work in San Francisco I left the house before 6 so my commute would be 80 minutes instead of two hours or more. Posted by: oldgreenguy on October 17, 2006 at 4:16 PM | PERMALINKbad credit repair bad credit repair Online insurance quotes Online insurance quotes
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