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By: WHAT'S THE MATTER WITH KANSAS?....Apparently it's not just liberals who are asking that question anymore. Steve Rose, chairman of the Johnson County Sun, who admits that the policies of the Democratic Party still make him "cringe," has nonetheless had enough of his own party:
Rose follows this with a nice list of just what it means to be a right-wing candidate in Kansas these days, and it's not pretty. The Sun will be endorsing an almost unanimous slate of moderate Democrats this year. Is Kansas a weathervane for the nation? —Kevin Drum 1:27 PM Permalink | Trackbacks | Comments (109)Comments
Back to the Middle Ages is our rallying cry! Posted by: Wingnut on October 16, 2006 at 1:35 PM | PERMALINKThe key thing that will come out of this election is that the Democratic party still has a middle. The GOP lost their middle 10 years ago. Clinton's impeachment will prove to be for the GOP what Vietnam was for the Democrats. Posted by: pj in jesusland on October 16, 2006 at 1:36 PM | PERMALINKAfter reading Hacker's blogs in this forum, I have been further convinced that the main problem with Democrats is their tendency to self-flaggelate. If the Dem pundits and leaders keep on saying that the Dems need to have a vision and continually engage more in thinking about processes than in actually doing something, the Democrats at large should hardly be surprised that the people have the image of the party as a rudderles and powerless ship. Posted by: gregor on October 16, 2006 at 1:38 PM | PERMALINKThe Sun will be endorsing an almost unanimous slate of moderate Democrats this year. And why should the people of Kansas care that a couple of left wing media types are endorsing liberal democrats? The fact is that the citizens of Kansas support the conservative agenda. It was the citizens of Kansas who voted for the board of education which rejected evolutionism in the class room. It was the citizens of Kansas who vote for the board of education which wanted to bring back school prayer, creationism, and phonics to our children. If conservatives are so out of the mainstream, why do people vote for them in elections over and over again? Liberals like Steve Rose don't understand values voters becauase they are so left wing they are out of touch with mainstream America. That is why liberals and democrats keep on losing elections. Posted by: Al on October 16, 2006 at 1:39 PM | PERMALINKRoss Douthat and his blogging partner Reihan have been on this case for a while now, from a right/center perspective. I highly recommend them if any of you lefties wants a sane, non-wingnuttish perspective from folks to your right. Posted by: 99 on October 16, 2006 at 1:39 PM | PERMALINKAl proves my point, too -- but his first post above only uses the word "liberal" derisively three times. That's light criticism for Al. Al does throw in the term "left wing" twice, so if we count that then we're up to five derogatory references to the conspiracy Al most loves to hate. Al, the people of Kansas are getting tired of 60s polemics. Can't you come up with something better than 40-year-old reactionary politics? Times have changed -- Kansas (and the rest of the country) have apparently moved on. Posted by: pj in jesusland on October 16, 2006 at 1:45 PM | PERMALINKI'm a registered Democrat. you're a well-known liar Posted by: cleek on October 16, 2006 at 1:46 PM | PERMALINKNo. This is the meme that the liberals are setting up in expectations of gaining seats this November. Its more important to paint the Republicans as (somehow) cracking up, than concentrate on the Democrats; because they are devoid of Ideas and dont represent the values of a majority of Americans. Posted by: Fitz on October 16, 2006 at 1:50 PM | PERMALINKModerate Democrats voted to give President Bush war powers to invade and occupy Iraq. Moderate Democrats voted for both 'Patriot' Acts. Moderate Democrats voted for the energy bill. Moderate Democrats voted for the credit card company no bankruptcy protection bill. Is Kansas a weathervane for the nation? I hope not. Fitz, You have it wrong. A majority of Americans in 2000 supported Al Gore's values. Unfortunately, a majority of the un-elected Supreme Court supported 43. Posted by: pj in jesusland on October 16, 2006 at 1:53 PM | PERMALINKWhatever posters like Al believe about Kansas voters, the Johnson Cty Sun was bemoaning the lack of real representation for traditional conservatives. The Republican party doesn't stand for much of what Kansas voters believe anymore. Posted by: wishIwuz2 on October 16, 2006 at 1:57 PM | PERMALINKBLACK RIBBON TUESDAY is tomorrow, October 17, when President Bush signs the Military Commissions Act of 2006. Posted by: anonymous on October 16, 2006 at 1:58 PM | PERMALINKPJ, add up all the acres in the states that voted for Bush and you have a majority of the country's acreage on Bush's side! Posted by: Wingnut on October 16, 2006 at 1:59 PM | PERMALINKHostile, Many of the moderate Dem votes were defensive votes cast to avoid being portrayed as anti-defense, cut-and-run appeasers in battleground states. With a change in House and Senate leadership you a) won't see many of those reprehensible bills making it to the floor and b) more votes will be cast with the leadership. Now that Kansans see how readily the GOP manipulates their patriotism, war, defense and first-strike foreign policy are becoming the GOP's cement overshoes. Posted by: pj in jesusland on October 16, 2006 at 2:02 PM | PERMALINKElectoral acreage! (n'yuk, n'yuk) And within those acres, I think you have a majority of tumbleweeds on Bush's side. Posted by: wishIwuz2 on October 16, 2006 at 2:03 PM | PERMALINK You have it wrong. A majority of Americans in 2000 supported Al Gore's values. Unfortunately, a majority of the un-elected Supreme Court supported 43. Fitz, Democrats will always bemoan the 2000 election. Get over it. Posted by: pj in jesusland on October 16, 2006 at 2:06 PM | PERMALINKAl writes: It was the citizens of Kansas who voted for the board of education which rejected evolutionism "Evolutionism"? Is that even a word, Al? Posted by: Chuck on October 16, 2006 at 2:06 PM | PERMALINKI'm a registered Democrat. Seig heil, Kamarad!! Posted by: POed Lib on October 16, 2006 at 2:08 PM | PERMALINKFitz on October 16, 2006 at 1:50 PM: Its more important to paint the Republicans as (somehow) cracking up.. Heh...The 'Publicans are cracking up, Fitzie, just as their 'coalition' of disparate interests and faulty policy was doomed to do. Pre-fab failure. No paint necessary. ..than concentrate on the Democrats; because they are devoid of Ideas and dont represent the values of a majority of Americans. Funny. This Steve Rose guy Kevin's quoting disagrees with you. A lot. Posted by: grape_crush on October 16, 2006 at 2:10 PM | PERMALINKFranks original book got it half right In the book, Frank examines what he calls "The Great Backlash", which he describes as a reactionary movement against the cultural changes of the 1960s and 1970s. According to his analysis, the political discourse of recent decades has dramatically shifted from the class animus of traditional leftism to one in which "explosive" cultural issues, such as abortion and gay marriage, are used to redirect anger towards "liberal elites". He then goes on to argue (unsuccessfully) that the Democrats have some (mysterious) master plan that will save the (lower &) middle classs from the new economy and that these pesky values issues are really a smokescreen. Mark Parkinson was the state chair of the Kansas GOP from 1999 until 2003. He is running for Lt Gov as a Democrat. Eight other former Republicans are now running for office in Kansas as Democrats. Kudos to the great work of Governor Kathleen Sebelius (D)for eliminating a huge deficit and building back trust in Kansas schools. She has a 70% approval rating in Kansas and did not have to topple Saddam to achieve that support. Johnson County is a white flight suburb of Kansas City - Largely Republican - the Johnson County Sun has never been liberal - This represents a major shift. Now, if the farm communities begin to follow suit, happy days may indeed be coming back again - of course with wheat prices soaring, some of the Pub "independent" farmers will continue to vote Pub while praying to DC for support. Hmm, the old one hand on the bootstrap, the other with palm up for government relief. Posted by: thethirdPaul on October 16, 2006 at 2:11 PM | PERMALINKUm, guys, can't you recognize a fake AL postby now? I mean, I know that real AL can sometimes sound a bit like self parody, but not to this extent. Posted by: Larry M on October 16, 2006 at 2:12 PM | PERMALINKChuck, "Evolutionism" is an Intelligent Design Vocabulary Word Builder. It's one of the multiple choice questions on the new Intelligent Design SAT. This test is given only in Topeka and parts of Pennsylvania, but its popularity is growing. Orem, Utah, is adopting it next year. FYI, "truthiness" is also one of the new word builder terms and I hear it will be on the next test. Posted by: pj in jesusland on October 16, 2006 at 2:14 PM | PERMALINKProve even ONE "lie" i already have, liar. Posted by: cleek on October 16, 2006 at 2:15 PM | PERMALINKGive it time, people, give it time. We'll see the delayed impact of the Bush Administration for the next twenty years. Posted by: Tony Shifflett on October 16, 2006 at 2:17 PM | PERMALINKFitz on October 16, 2006 at 2:10 PM: They see cable T.V. and realize what contempt the left has for religion and traditional values. Yet they still watch... ..and that these pesky values issues are really a smokescreen. They are - the corporate interests controlling the Republican party didn't have their 'legions' of voters until they manufactured enough faux outrage to get 'values' voters to the polls... And it looks like those voters are finally waking up to what Republican values really are. Posted by: grape_crush on October 16, 2006 at 2:22 PM | PERMALINKyou have a majority of the country's acreage on Bush's side! Just do not call them wise-acres. Many of the moderate Dem votes were defensive votes cast to avoid being portrayed as anti-defense, cut-and-run appeasers in battleground states. That is why I disparage moderates at every opportunity. Moderates are the enablers of Chauvinism, war, and first-strike foreign policy and are the first to cut-and-run from political principle and appeal to the worst amongst us in order to save their plum jobs. Posted by: Hostile on October 16, 2006 at 2:22 PM | PERMALINKMy, my! Those with paid to post jobs are back at it again. Posted by: parrot on October 16, 2006 at 2:23 PM | PERMALINKA telling list, Hostile. Politics and governance under our system, and given human nature, is a tug of war. Some(radicals) pull hard and others(moderates) not so much. Currently the extreme right has a fair amount of influence(pull) and the extreme left has almost none. Thus the moderate democrats are being pulled into the mud. To reverse this rightward shift, moderation is not enough. Desperate times require desperate measures. Posted by: Michael7843853 G-O in 08! on October 16, 2006 at 2:24 PM | PERMALINKI'm a registered Democrat. And I vacation on the moon...and it's really made of cheese! But then again, I enjoy eating dirt... Posted by: ThomASS1 on October 16, 2006 at 2:31 PM | PERMALINKSteve Rose is a very well known Republican in this part of the country. His news paper has real influence in Johnson County. Kansas is a funny state. There are basically three parties. There are the Democrats. Being in the midwest the Democrats are mostly moderates by any standard--Dennis Moore and Kathleen Sebelius being the best examples. Then there are the traditional fiscal conservative Republicans from the Bob Dole school -- David Rose is one of them. Then there are the crazy theocratic Republicans. Sam Brownback and Phill Kline are the primary examples. Out of the crazy ranks come the folks who opposed evolution for religious reasons. Over the years the crazy religous Republicans have seized control of the Republican apparatus. "Hate" is perhaps the best word to use when talking about the theorcratic Republicans. They hate the moderate Republicans nearly as much as they hate the Democrats. Steve Rose is reflecting the frustration traditional Republicans have in their own party. This year one of them has switched parties to run against Phill Kline for attorney general. A very popular hardnosed prosecutor, Paul Morrison has a good chance against Kline. His campaign is based on the right of medical privacy which Kline thinks can be compromised in the pursuit of his anti-abortion agenda. Anyway, if you wonder why a solid Democrat like Kathleen Sebilius can be elected governor in Kansas just think triangulation. When the Republicans nominate a crazy, a Democrat has a chance because she can pick up all the moderate Republicans. Moore has been triangulating for years. The first time the folks in his district nominate a traditional Republican he becomes a lobbyist. Posted by: Ron Byers on October 16, 2006 at 2:33 PM | PERMALINKProve even ONE "lie". That you're 67 and you registered to vote in 1958. Posted by: MeLoseBrain? on October 16, 2006 at 2:33 PM | PERMALINK2006 - the rise of the Prairie Underground Posted by: Rickey on October 16, 2006 at 2:43 PM | PERMALINKHostile, On the whole I think the Congress has been much better off with than without the moderates. In today's political climate unless you are in a very safe district championing liberal values is a quick way to get your ticket stamped back to Hoboken. Once we get a better president elected moderate Dems will be in a better position to draw moderate Republicans into supporting such Presidential initiatives as the repeal of the Military Commissions Act. Posted by: pj in jesusland on October 16, 2006 at 2:44 PM | PERMALINKAnd why should the people of Kansas care that a couple of left wing media types are endorsing liberal democrats? The fact is that the citizens of Kansas support the conservative agenda. It was the citizens of Kansas who voted for the board of education which rejected evolutionism in the class room. It was the citizens of Kansas who vote for the board of education which wanted to bring back school prayer, creationism, and phonics to our children. If conservatives are so out of the mainstream, why do people vote for them in elections over and over again? Liberals like Steve Rose don't understand values voters becauase they are so left wing they are out of touch with mainstream America. That is why liberals and democrats keep on losing elections. I never respond to the Al-Bot, but I am making an exception. Steve Rose and I used to belong to the same synagogue, when I lived in Roeland Park, KS which butts up against Steve's community of Mission Hills. Steve Rose is no "liberal Democrat" I can assure you in the first person. His father started Sun Publications and built it from the pressroom up. He was a solid sober business Republican, and Steve's apple fell in the shade of the original tree. You obviously know nothing of the man - or the politics of the region - to make such a ludicrous claim. The pattern is this: Sane, fiscally conservative Republicans never make it onto the ballot - they lose in the primary to candidates like Kay O'Controversy (Kay O'Connor) and the fundamentalist agenda. The fundies put them over the top in the low-turnout primaries, then they fizzle in the general because their radical agendas do not go over well with the general public. Yes, Kansans voted for the candidates who eviscerated the science standards - but they also turned them out in the primary. Kansans went out in 106-degree heat to cast primary ballots on Aug. 1 - in record numbers - and when the news-outlets interviewed voters, they all said they wanted to vote against the fundies on the state BOE. I spent a decade-plus active in Kansas politics. I have squared off with Mark Gietzen (former head of the state GOP) on multiple occasions. Our children were classmates. This is a change I saw coming after the Republican Civil War erupted between the Gietzen and Shallenberger factions of the Kansas GOP. And I'm wondering if it is possible to overdose on schaddenfreude? Posted by: Global Citizen on October 16, 2006 at 2:50 PM | PERMALINKA major problem with dismissing the moderates, is that of a Committee for Public Safety developing. Then one is left (or right) with the infighting over who is the purest of the pure. Moderates tend to take it in the ear, no matter which extreme or radical wing wins. Posted by: thethirdPaul on October 16, 2006 at 2:50 PM | PERMALINKthe American people re-elected and ratified the choice of Bush by the largest Voter turnout in U.S. history. "by the largest Voter turnout"?? What the fuck does that mean. An incumbent President won by a very narrow electoral margin. Go shove your voter turnout up your ass. Posted by: ckelly on October 16, 2006 at 2:51 PM | PERMALINKStill bemoaning the past huh? Golly, stolen elections tend to infuriate some people. Who knew? Posted by: ckelly on October 16, 2006 at 2:52 PM | PERMALINKA similar thing may be happening here in Kansas' neighbor to the south, Oklahoma. Our governor, Brad Henry, appears to be on his way to an easy win over the GOP's Ernest Istook, who's quitting Congress to run for this seat. Henry is a moderate Dem (the only kind of Dem Oklahoma really has) who's soft-spoken and uncontroversial. He's relatively young and just seems like a nice guy. Istook has nothing to hang on him. Even more telling, though, is what's happening in the race for Lieutenant Governor. The GOP candidate is Todd Hiett, the current Speaker of the (state) House, and a man who in past elections would have seemed a shoo-in: his campaign commercials feature all the usual hoo-ha about his strong values, religion, helped pass the largest tax cut in state history, etc. Yet the polls I've seen show him losing (albeit within the margin of error) to the Dem candidate, the grandmotherly Jari Askins. (She, too, has been a member of the state House.) I refuse to count any chickens before they're hatched, but something certainly seems to be rumbling beneath the surface. Posted by: Alek Hidell on October 16, 2006 at 2:56 PM | PERMALINKI live in Johnson County, KS and I sure don't see many Republican bumper stickers/yard signs like I used to. Those who intend voting Republican at least have the sense of shame to stay quiet about it.... Posted by: kchiker on October 16, 2006 at 3:06 PM | PERMALINKUM if things are so honky-dory then why is James Baker even involved.Answer:THINGS ARE FUCKED UP. Posted by: Thomas2 on October 16, 2006 at 3:09 PM | PERMALINK
"The White House made it very clear I have to run." - GOP Mark Foley early 2006 sucker... Posted by: mr. irony on October 16, 2006 at 3:12 PM | PERMALINKkchiker: I live in Midtown but cover the occasional shift in JoCo hospitals (as school permits) and I haven't seen many either. Even Republicans are cringing at Barnett and Ahner (the opponents facing Sebelius and Moore, respectively) and Phill (never trust a guy who can't spell 'Phil') Kline is an embarassment. Have you caught the debates on KCPT? By the way - Steve Rose has a weekly local events show on KCPT called Talk Back). The name wasn't lost on those of us who have read the Sun. It too has a Talk Back page. Some real flame-wars erupt in that print forum. Posted by: Global Citizen on October 16, 2006 at 3:14 PM | PERMALINKTo AL and all his third nipples,Your tone would lend us to believe things in Rightwing world are not good,Please go back and read your posts from that last 10 months and you will see how your demeaner would say you know your on the way out the door.Sorry, but Stay the course is not a plan. Posted by: Thomas2 on October 16, 2006 at 3:15 PM | PERMALINKMy mother was born and raised in Cowley County, KS, and I spent a lot of time there while growing up, visiting her family. Until the last few years, I would have told you that Kansans were solidly conservative, but they were inherently not fanatics. I started to wonder about that, though, when they started electing guys like Jim Ryun to Congress. I've been truly heartened lately to find that my original assessment is looking better all the time. I've got absolutely nothing against honest conservatives; it's the liars, plutocrats, and kool-aid drinkers that I have trouble with. Posted by: RT on October 16, 2006 at 3:19 PM | PERMALINKAh Jim Ryun - of the Kansas-02. Former world record miler, who can't run far enough or fast enough to get away from the taint of a sweetheart deal on a DC townhouse. The US Family Network is the only recorded seller of a DC townhouse in the last two decades to actually lose money on a dwelling that hadn't been gutted by fire. Ryun's opponent, Nancy Boyda, is polling in the margin of error, and hasn't received any money from the DCCC. And across the state line in Missouri, it is getting interesting too. Posted by: Global Citizen on October 16, 2006 at 3:24 PM | PERMALINKGlobal and Ron Byers, Check out the recent column by Steve Rose in the Sun regarding Phil Kline - Says that he should stay home in Kansas and fight crime, not travel around the country, on tax payer's money, and fight for the soul of America. One of Bill O'Reilly's favorite guys, that Phil. Basically says to get out of office and go preach. Yeah, and Global, I know another reason you like Sun pulications - They print the Nursing reports for the region. Global Citizen, the men of the Seventh Kansas Cavalry Regiment, Jameson's Jayhawkers, salute you. Well, they probably would if they were still around. Posted by: thethirdPaul on October 16, 2006 at 3:28 PM | PERMALINKI caught the debate between Dennis Moore and opponent that KCPT aired this weekend. It was like they took a not-particularly-well-informed 16 year old and made him debate Dennis Moore. Posted by: kchiker on October 16, 2006 at 3:32 PM | PERMALINKI live in Kansas and have reported on politics for many years. Steve Rose's editorial was a delightful shock. As others have said, Rose is anything but liberal. The newspaper's endorsement of a Democratic slate will overturn 56 years of tradition at The Sun. I am cautiously optimistic about the outcome of the Nov. 7 vote. It looks like Sebelius will be re-elected. There is some chance of Attorney General Phill Kline being defeated, although that is far from certain. We may well see an increase in the new (since the Aug. 1 primary) moderate majority in the state Board of Education. However, there are troubling signs. I've written today, and The Wichita Eagle has reported, on what may be an effort to repress minority voting in the state. Even if this wasn't done on purpose, it may still keep minority turnout low. See more here. Kansas is struggling. There ARE three parties with the GOP at deep war with itself, and people are really tired of officials who push a religious agenda instead of dealing with the issues Kanans care about like schools and health care. Diane, you are in Lawrence - how is the Ryun-Boyda race looking to you freestaters? Posted by: Global Citizen on October 16, 2006 at 3:49 PM | PERMALINKShocking the number of people on this board who know about Kansas. I live in Eastern Jack, so my attention is directed at McCaskill v Talent. Posted by: Ron Byers on October 16, 2006 at 3:53 PM | PERMALINKSo it seems that the inevitable backlash is building against the radicals that hijacked the traditional GOP/conservative in the heartlands of America. It is nice to see. Yet one more data point in the cascade failure I always maintained would eventually happen to the GOP for allowing itself to be taken over by a bunch of religious zealots/fanatics that want radical change to what America stood for since it's inception. You cannot keep proclaiming that America was intended to be a Christian nation when contemporaneous documentation demonstrates the opposite intent by the Founding Fathers without it costing you the moderates/rationalists within the GOP. It was always a question when and where the tipping point would come from, and it looks like the 2006 midterms may end up being that point. No wonder the Trolletariat is running around like chickens with their heads cut of with their tired 60s era rhetoric about the dangers of liberals, liberalism, and *gasp* Democrats. The GOP may have been able to steal the 2004 election, but that was because the race was so close. Well these races do not look anywhere near as close, and if the GOP tries to steal this one it will become too difficult for most Americans to not believe that their electoral choices/decisions were nullified/stolen by the GOP in it's quest to hold power no matter the costs, even when those costs go to the heart of democracy itself. Since their commitment to democracy is simply another talking point (as demonstrated by their actions and inactions as opposed to their words) that the GOP leadership could and would do such a thing is no surprise. What has amazed me has been their ability in the last 6 years to keep the wider public from recognizing the massive vote rigging operation the GOP runs. Hopefully finally real American conservatives are waking up to the fact their party was hijacked by radicals and criminals and are willing to fight back, first by defeating the current GOP and then cleansing the taint from their party. I am convinced that as more evidence of the real GOP MO comes out in oversight investigations by the Dem Congress the more the GOP will suffer backlash for the way it has treated American votes and security with contempt and as a secondary concern to their primary concern of gaining/holding power and doing favours to their wealthy friends/lobbyists to make them wealthy for election fighting AND for personal gain as has been cropping up as of late thanks to the Abramoff investigations among other things. Not to mention their practice of branding any voices that question/oppose them as liberals/pinkos/pro-terrorist/etc which we has watched for years against even those long time GOP supporters that cannot stand by and simply stay partisan when they see their principles being used to wipe the arses of the GOP leadership. Which is more important, party or country, and it appears the moderate GOPers see country first whereas the radicals see party first, ironically making the radicals like the Stalinists/communists that they rail against in their rhetoric aginst their opponents. Classic projection and sad irony all in one package. That is the true face of the current GOP leadership and their defenders, especially in our beloved Trolletariat. Ron - did you see the Star this morning? The piece about Ike's opponent? Posted by: Global Citizen on October 16, 2006 at 3:55 PM | PERMALINKJohnson County is not Kansas. Johnson County has the highest median income in the state and the nation's 43rd highest per-person income and 62nd highest median household income. Most of the county is suburban, being a part of the Kansas City Metropolitan Area. Posted by: ogmb on October 16, 2006 at 4:02 PM | PERMALINKI don't take the Star. I'll have to look the article up on line. Posted by: Ron Byers on October 16, 2006 at 4:02 PM | PERMALINKWe beg to differ. JoCo is most certainly Kansas. Yes, it is part of the KC metro, but Overland Park is the largest city in the state. It does have a high percentage of college graduates, but Kansas itself has a higher-than-the-national-average percetage of degreed persons. Don't just dismiss JoCo as "not Kansas." I sure paid state taxes when I lived there, to the state of Kansas, no less. Not Missouri, and not some nebulous etherial entity known only as JoCo. Posted by: Global Citizen on October 16, 2006 at 4:09 PM | PERMALINKI'm really not certain about Nancy Boyda (D) vs. Jim Ryun (R - and to the right of the far right). No one gave Boyda a chance this year, and frankly, the word in Democratic circles in Kansas was that she ran a lousy campaign last time. I didn't see her getting much support on the local scene early in the campaign. Last time she seemed to alienate a few folks. However, Boyda is showing signs of life right now, and Ryun is beginning to look a tad scared. He had Dick Cheney in last week to raise money. I don't remember him needing any help in the past. Boyda says her internal polls show her and Ryun as running neck and neck. Interestingly, Ryun hasn't released his own polls, so you have to suspect that they are worrying him. So far, I haven't seen any independent polls released on the race. However, unless I missed it (always possible), the Democratic Party still doesn't think Boyda has a chance of winning and isn't doing much of anything to back her. She isn't on their list of emerging races. Boyda's problem, in part, is the way the Republicans redrew the district. They cut most of the liberal city of Lawrence (including me) out. They put the west side and rural Lawrence together with Topeka and other more conservative areas to protect Ryuns seat. If Ryun ever showed up in downtown Lawrence -- he seldom does -- he'd be booed off the street. How's that for an answer? Maybe yes-maybe no. Posted by: Diane Silver on October 16, 2006 at 4:12 PM | PERMALINKJohnon County's population of 506,562 makes it the most populous county in the state. About 1 in 5 Kansans live in Johnson County. Kansas has 2 other serious population centers, Kansas City and Wichita. (Actually Kansas City, Kansas and Johnson County are pretty much the same place separated by a county line.) Beyond that Kansas has a couple of nice college towns, a few small villages and farming communities and a lot of farms. Posted by: Ron Byers on October 16, 2006 at 4:18 PM | PERMALINKI gave Nancy Boyda I find it interesting that the Star has not yet endorsed anyone in that race - but they broke a longstanding tradition of endorsing Sam Graves on Saturday, instead endorsing Sara Jo Shettles in the MO-06. That was huge. Posted by: Global Citizen on October 16, 2006 at 4:22 PM | PERMALINKPART of my meager allowance. Freudian slip, maybe? Posted by: Global Citizen on October 16, 2006 at 4:23 PM | PERMALINKTopeka. Who could forget Topeka. Having spent a few years in Topeka one day, I would like to forget Topeka... Posted by: Global Citizen on October 16, 2006 at 4:25 PM | PERMALINKThe first comment in response to Rose's essay was this: Right on. As a long-time Republican myself, it's time for a change. The Bush regime has made a rogue nation out of our great nation. It's time to clean house of the neo-cons and recover our reputation. I'd say that's pretty meaningful. Read it and weep, Al, Hawk, Jay, Charlie, et al. Blindly supporting Bush is a dead end, even for conservatives. Posted by: craigie on October 16, 2006 at 4:25 PM | PERMALINKIt's good if they're coming to their senses after all this time. However, it's also sad to realize that the current Crazies in the White House probably expected this backlash and really don't care. They've had their run and done their damage and that was what they wanted. How much more they'll do before January 20, 2009 isn't clear, but we can expect some more awful things. After all, it is their goal to shake things up and destroy things to remind people 'government doesn't work'. 'Crazies' is indeed the right nickname for them. If the people see individuals screwing up they're not going to blame our governmental system which worked so well before with Clinton et al, they're going to blame the lyin' sons-of-bitches and kick 'em out. I wonder, if the election is powerfully in favor of Dems, would the public accept a huge impeachment to get rid of all of Bush & Co. the way the Brits have 'lack of confidence' elections? I think what Kansan's such as Steve Rose, and many other Republicans, are realizing is that their party has been stolen from them by the religious right. When Reagan was president, the Republican party stood for smaller government and lower taxes. Social issues were barely on the Republican agenda. What today's Reagan Republicans are starting to realize is that the modern Republican party cares a lot more about legislating morality than it does about shrinking government and reducing taxes. After all, not only has the Republican congress raised spending tremendously, but when was the last time you saw a major Republican figure talk about lowering taxes? I think what you are also seeing is a "flight to competence". Moderate Republicans are becoming alienated by the Republican's inability to do anything competently (which probably really rankles the business wing of the party), and are realizing that whatever they think of Democratic ideology, at least they know that the Democratic can run the government competently. Posted by: mfw13 on October 16, 2006 at 4:29 PM | PERMALINKShettles? I know, I know. Her campaign is nearly invisible. Damn I wish they had found a first rate opponent for Graves. Posted by: Ron Byers on October 16, 2006 at 4:30 PM | PERMALINKAnd the second comment to Rose's essay on the Sun website reads:Checks and Balances have been all but lost. Except for a coronation, we have a king who apparently despises our freedoms as much as he claims Islamo"fascists" (sic) do. The 1933 Enabling Act is a lesson of history to put side-by-side the Patriot Act for reflection. Google: . Chilling. Wake up and smell the fascism! I thought the 2004 election was the most important election of my lifetime. This one is. The editorial pages have been a way-interesting read these days. I go to sleep at night anxious for the paper to show up, because so much is not accessable on the website.
I've lived in both JoCo Kansas and Orange County and they are both very similiar, at least politically. Posted by: doinkman on October 16, 2006 at 4:40 PM | PERMALINKI lived in JoCo at the same time my sister lived in the O.C. - our (reform) Jewish mother was mortified and made us come visit her, asking repetedly "where she went wrong." Posted by: Global Citizen on October 16, 2006 at 4:43 PM | PERMALINKFormer Republicans now running as Democrats are not liberals. Even if these 'Democrats' win, it is not a victory for those of us who think progressive economics and individual liberty should be guiding policy. It just means more conservative and moderate oppostition against liberals in the Democratic Party and lots more useless defense spending. When I received a direct mailer from Dr. Dean asking to contribute to the national party so canditates like these 'Democrats' can compete against Republicans, I threw it in the trash. Posted by: Hostile on October 16, 2006 at 4:45 PM | PERMALINKThe liberal things on my personal agenda are non-starters in todays climate. I don't care where o9n the Democratic spectrum the candidates lie - if they can help neuter this miserable excuse for an administration, they get my support and my vote. i didn't give money to the DCCC - Rahm Emanuel can kiss my ass, and a lot of red-state dems feel that way - but I totally back Dr. Dean's 50-state strategy. Posted by: Global Citizen on October 16, 2006 at 4:53 PM | PERMALINKThe Missouri Supreme Court just handed down their decision on the Voter ID law - Judge Callahan's decision was upheld, the state supremes found the GOP voter disenfranchisement act unconstitutional. Time to crack open the champagne! Posted by: Global Citizen on October 16, 2006 at 5:02 PM | PERMALINKHostile, I share your concern. I live right next to Foley's district, and the Democrat in that race is a former Republican who was recruited by Rahm Emmanuel. It bothered me. But it doesn't bother me a lot now. Here's why: I think the Republican Party is doing what Ronald Reagan accused the Democratic Party of doing: the GOP is leaving citizens, and citizens aren't leaving the GOP. As the converts become active in the Democratic Party, they probably will push it to the right. But maybe we'll gain more than we lose. What we gain is this: We become a big-tent party of rational people. Ye Olde "Reality-Based Party." When Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act, the Democrats gained the moral high ground but ultimately almost dwindled into a regional party of the northeast. Now we're keeping the moral high ground and capturing another hill -- that of rationalism. The Republicans have been the party of immorality and racism for 40 years, and now they're becoming not only that, but a small-tent, faith-based party with barely a toehold in the northeast and midwest. I'll accept the tradeoff. Posted by: Holdie Lewie on October 16, 2006 at 5:06 PM | PERMALINKGive it time, people, give it time. We'll see the delayed impact of the Bush Administration for the next twenty years. Posted by: Tony Shifflett That's the problem for any president, Democrat or Republican, after 2008: He/she/it will be saddled with the fallout of so many wrongheaded or just plain criminal policies courtesy of the Bush administration and his toadies and quislings (on both sides of the aisle) that not even Jesus could work enough miracles to fix the messes we will be in for at least a decade. No nothing short of discovering a zero cost (monetarily and environmentally) fuel alternative could possibly solve both our domestic and international problems, as pretty much every foreign policy issue we have is wrapped up in energy. Posted by: JeffII on October 16, 2006 at 5:10 PM | PERMALINKI will be voting for Democrats, too, but it does not mean any of the current policies that aggitate me will change even if Democrats win back both houses of Congress. The only Democrats I would not vote for are the ones who voted for the war, but I do not have any of those in my district. Posted by: Hostile on October 16, 2006 at 5:24 PM | PERMALINK On the topic of good vs. bad with Republicans becoming Democrats...Before I moved to Kansas 20 years ago, I also had a stereotypical view that painted all Republicans the same. Since I've lived here, however, I've learned that members of the GOP, at least in Kansas, come in many different political flavors. Just one example: I worked on the 2005 campaign that OPPOSED the ban on gay marriage in Kansas. Our chairman was a life-long Republican who had a minor role in the adminstration of Republican Gov. Mike Hayden, who by the way, now serves in Democrat Kathleen Sebelius' cabinet. Our campaign treasurer was a very recent, but former executive director of the Republican Party in the state. Meanwhile, some of the staunchest supporters of banning same-sex marriage and civil unions were Democrats. Nationally, I think we have to elect Democrats to put some kind of check on the out-of-control Bush Administration. But don't judge all Republicans as being the same. It simply isn't that simple, and that's why the GOP is at war here in Kansas. Posted by: Diane Silver on October 16, 2006 at 5:41 PM | PERMALINKThis letter to the editor was in the Kansas City Star today: Democratic Party David Limbaughs new book, Bankrupt: The Intellectual and Moral Bankruptcy of Todays Democratic Party, is a must-read for liberals and conservatives alike. That letter, and it's author, got taken to the woodshed for an old-fashioned flogging here. Arg... "simply isn't that simple?" I meant to say: "It isn't that simple, and that's why the GOP is at war with itself here in Kansas." Posted by: Diane Silver on October 16, 2006 at 5:43 PM | PERMALINKHostile, My concern is not with traditional Republicans. I understand and respect those guys. They look a lot like moderate Democrats. Not long ago people where arguing that the two parties were basically blended, joined at the hip. Not that I like all that entails, but it is something folks can work with. It means you have to work hard to convince everybody of your position. What is wrong with hard work. It makes better social policy. No, my concern is with the monarchists and the theocrats who don't believe they owe me or anybody who thinks like me any consideration at all. Just think, the majority of the majority rules the house. That means that the ultra right wing of the Republican party controls everything. No other ideas need apply. That kind of tribalism needs to be stopped. Those guys need to be pushed back on their heels. No, a country where every voice is important is the country I love. A country where 1/2 the people can be ignored is a country that (1) walks off into unnecessary wars, (2) spends their children's money like a drunken sailor and (3) feels no need to obey the Constitution. In other words it is a country teedering on the brink of the abyss. Topeka. Who could forget Topeka. Who can remember Topeka? I mean, how many astronauts ever came from there? (Anyone who's done the I-70 drive across Kansas will know what I'm talking about.) Posted by: Ferruge on October 16, 2006 at 5:57 PM | PERMALINKYou know, it just may be that Kansans have finally discovered the dicotomy between principals and results. Bush and the Republican Congress were given lots of credit for their conservative principals and their "values." Problem was, they weren't able to deliver on either. So, they're being shown the door not because their ideas were bad, but because the people selling thoses ideas couldn't execute them. Could Democrats do better? Maybe it's worth a try to find out. We couldn't do any worse. Posted by: CT on October 16, 2006 at 5:59 PM | PERMALINKKansas got the Cosmosphere for a reason. My kids graduated from the same high school as the first black man to be accepted into astronaut training. He and his sister were the first black kids to enroll in that parochial school. Posted by: Global Citizen on October 16, 2006 at 6:02 PM | PERMALINKSo, they're (Rethugs) being shown the door not because their ideas were bad, but because the people selling thoses ideas couldn't execute them. Could Democrats do better? Maybe it's worth a try to find out. We couldn't do any worse. Posted by: CT Nope. The policies are bad and the people attempting to execute them are probably worse. You can't separate one from the other as people make the policy. Posted by: JeffII on October 16, 2006 at 6:02 PM | PERMALINKHere is a question to ponder. Just exactly what "conservative" principals and values are at the heart of the traditional Republican, and what principals and values are at the heart of the Republican party. It seems Rose's list of Repubulican party values don't find all that much resonance with tradtional Republicans anymore (if they ever did.) Odd but I saw an ad for some Democratic Congressional Candidate saying that he was too conservative to be a Republican. The ad was pretty good. His list of conservative Democratic values were pretty sound. 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And we now return you to the land of William Inge; "Picnic", "Loss of Roses", "Dark at the Top of the Stairs", "Come Back Little Sheba" and "Splendor in the Grass". Posted by: thethirdPaul on October 16, 2006 at 9:15 PM | PERMALINKWell at least you can still read the register-Guard which I read on-line myself as time permits. When I lived in Junction City, we got both papers. That is too bad about the Oregonion endorsing Saxton. What I understand, kulongoski is a fine governor. Why are they saying it's time for a change? I mean, if it ain't broke... Posted by: Chev on October 16, 2006 at 9:49 PM | PERMALINKThat was me Paul. My daughter was using my computer earlier (hers crashed) and she commented on last weekends math thread over on the North Korea thread. No one ever comments here besides me, so I forgot to change it back. Posted by: Global Citizen on October 16, 2006 at 9:51 PM | PERMALINKI think people are finally figuring out that protecting their kids from teh cancer and teh unemployment are more important than protecting them from teh gay. The Republican Party hasn't changed; it's been what it's been since 1994 -- and it was a lot like what it is now since 1910. What's changed is that the Party's been given power, so it's actually implementing the bullshit insanity which it promised this entire time. Re being a "registered" anything, bfd. I'm a registered ReThuglican't. Love to throw wrenches (albeit little itty bitty ones) into their primaries. I should be undeclared, but I'm too lazy to change. I will when there's a Democratic primary that means something in my district. Posted by: Cal Gal on October 16, 2006 at 10:55 PM | PERMALINK"It was the citizens of Kansas who voted for the board of education which rejected evolutionism." I think they also UNvoted those people when they found out what they did, didn't they? "you have a majority of the country's acreage on Bush's side!" I'd wait a bit on that. I see the Mountain West, with its VAST acreage and libertarian ideals going against the Patriot Act Party and their denial of habeas corpus. Add states like Kansas and Missouri and I think you'll see acreage shrink considerably. Tho the ReThugs might win this measure just with Alaska and Texas. Posted by: Cal Gal on October 16, 2006 at 11:08 PM | PERMALINKCal Gal - in Missouri we do not register by party. We ask for the specific ballot at the polling place. So my husband and I decide beforehand which one of us will throw the tiny little monkeywrench and which one will vote for the candidates we truly desire to see on the ballot in the general. Posted by: Global Citizen on October 16, 2006 at 11:08 PM | PERMALINKI'm a registered Democrat. Thomas1 at 1:40 PMYou seem more like a registered sex offender. Still bemoaning the past huh? Fitz at 2:03 PMClinton impeachmentwas a payback for Nixon, Henry Hyde Posted by: Mike on October 16, 2006 at 11:13 PM | PERMALINK Holdie Lewis: > What we gain is this: We become a big-tent party of > When Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Comment of the thread. Also some great words from Ron Byers on the This is what's finally starting to crack -- the chimeras of these Holdie phrased it perfectly. At the moment it's a Big Tent of It's an ephemeral coalition borne of a political moment, and it It would be a problem to govern with something so unwieldly -- but Once we're in power as the majority for a few consecutive terms, then I tell ya, though -- I'd much rather have this than the GOP's Ronald Reagan's 11th Commandment ("Thou shalt Bob Posted by: rmck1 on October 17, 2006 at 12:15 AM | PERMALINKThe GOP did in fact steal the presidency, twice, and the GOP is in fact right now actively working to steal the 2006 Elections. A "do everything" Republican assault on democracy used intimidation, fraud, vote theft, computer rigging, machine distribution manipulation, a fake Homeland security alert, trashing of provisional ballots, denial of a recount and dozens more "dirty tricks" to produce a 118,775 "official" margin for Bush that was an utter fiction. Exit polls in nine swing states showed Kerry a clear winner as late as 12:21 am on election night. Nationwide exit polls showed him with a 1.5 million vote margin in the popular vote. But somehow, against all statistical probability, Bush wound up with a popular vote victory of nearly 3.5 million. And somehow, against all statistical probability, he carried Ohio and three other states (Iowa, Nevada and New Mexico) where he had been the clear loser in the exit polls. Ohio alone was sufficient to give him a second term, just as Florida had been in 2000. Such an outcome is beyond implausible - unless you saw how the Rove-Blackwell machine stole the vote. The tactics the GOP perfected in Ohio 2004 are now being used in 2006 and honed for re-use in 2008. Neither the Republican-Owned Mainstream Media or the core of the Democratic Party has been willing to face the reality that unless our entire election system immediately gets a total top-to-bottom revamp by an informed public willing to deal with the systematic poisoning of American democracy, there will be no honest elections in the US in 2006 or in 2008. Liberals like Steve Rose don't understand values voters becauase they are so left wing they are out of touch with mainstream America. That is why liberals and democrats keep on losing elections. Mainstream in what part of the country? The suburbs are the mainstream bastion of scared white boys who will vote for anyone that will keep the brown people away. The urban areas are mainstream sancturaies for anyone who wants to be free from government imposed religious values. Posted by: Al is a Commie on October 17, 2006 at 9:09 AM | PERMALINKWow. What a breath of fresh air THIS thread is! Sure is nice to hear from the Real Republicans out there! You folks ought to come on in and join the discussion here a LOT more often! This Eisenhower Democrat certainly appreciates hearing from you. Its going to be a long and bitter battle Im afraid, and one or two elections arent going to be an end to it. Were going to have to work together, as Americans 1st, for quite some time if were going to reclaim our Nation. Factions are not easily thwarted, and radical or extremist factions (corporate, religious, military-industrial, neo-con, or otherwise) are all the more difficult, especially when they are so broadly entrenched. This is neither a Democrat nor a Republican issue, it is an American issue. Were all in this mess together, no matter what political party we may think ourselves native to. It seems fairly obvious, IMHO, that even if we find a real President in 2008, and have cleaned house in Congress by then, the battle will go on far beyond that point. We must not fall victim to expecting a quick fix or too easily condemning real effort if it is manifest. Could the best President we have ever had as a nation (whoever that may be in your own individual mind) fix this mess in a single term? Or even in two terms? Dem or Rep, future leaders are going to need our watchfulness, our support, and our guidance more than ever if we are to reclaim our Republic once again. The trolley is off its rails, and it will take a lot of heavy lifting over the long haul to put it right again I think. I do believe, that we must get rid of this Diebold mess, and soon. How many of us really trust electronic voting? Computers are far too easily subverted. They can never be widely secured. Hacking our elections is bad enough on paper, put them in cyberspace and we have loosed a monster I fear. There are just so many dangers and issues to resolve in all of this, its going to take a long time to fix. list of conservative Democratic values I cannot think of any good conservative Democratic values. I can only think of bad conservative Democratic values like trillion dollar defense budgets, Chicago police riots and Tuskeegee syphilus tests on African-Americans. Clinton ended welfare and corporate regulation, so the socialist policies of the Democrats no longer exist. The only other positive Democratic value I can come up with is free college education, which is not on the platform of any Democratic politician I know of. There is no reason to vote for Democrats except that they are not Republicans. In Kansas, that is not even the case. Posted by: Hostile on October 17, 2006 at 12:14 PM | PERMALINKSome campaign workers for Nancy Boyda came to my door here in western Lawrence over the weekend...they told me that Nancy's internal polls have her up by 3 (3 point margin of error) over Ryun....it is VERY close. Lawrence is full of Boyda signs, but hardly any Ryun ones. Granted, Lawrence is a liberal town...which is why the GOP split it in half. But she has some momentum and it is going to be a very close race. Posted by: FDRLincoln on October 17, 2006 at 3:42 PM | PERMALINKPosted by: Hostile on October 17, 2006 at 12:14 PM | PERMALINK Balanced Budget
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