How about a democrat whose actually *accomplished* something? Aside from his keynote speech, what does he have on his resume? And that doesn't even get into how hard it is for Senators to get elected president. Dems would be far better off recruiting governors from purple-to-blue states.

Hawk: You'll have to actually read Ben's piece to see what he says about that. In fact, you'll have to read all the way to the end. Are you up to something so taxing?

Ah, Kevin.

Perhaps you could tell us what "Baraka" has done for America in all his years of public service? Anything of note, or does he just make nice sounding speaches telling people what they want to hear? Just like all libs.

It must be that rush of last-minute RNC cash for the midterm elections. The trolls are monitoring Kevin's blog posts closely.

On 'The Wire', the low-rises were hardly pristine, but I bet real cops prefer them as well as residents.

As Atrios said, a good rule of thumb for Dems is if both David Brooks and Joe Klein recommend the same thing, do the opposite.

They both are on the Obama bandwagon.

Kevin gets snarky. Ah, I love the smell of singed Hawk in the evening...

This guy's too cute by half: Porkopolis calls Bullshit on 'Rock-Star' Senator Barack Obama

Aside from his keynote speech, what does he have on his resume?

Nothing AH. Just ignore the article. It's nothing more than the typical left-wing propoganda. The difference between liberals and conservatives is conservatives believe people should only become President after they have done great accomplishments worthy enough to take such a important office. Liberals don't care because for them, winning a Presidential election is just crass politics just as everything for them is.

Al, the routine isn't even funny any more.

God knows I want a charismatic Democrat, but I'm not convinced this is the guy. It's just a gut-check thing, I have no beef with him. But what has he really done besides raise money and give an engaging speech?

That's the double-edged sword of running for the top job as a senator. Once you have a record of accomplishments, you have a voting record that has pissed off half the country.

Yeah, Al. George W. had all those great accomplishments, like, uh, well there is that, um. Never mind. Al is a fuckin' retard.

Obama probably has a productive political future ahead, but the media attention on his presidential chances smells like their earlier embrace of the now-defunct Wesley Clark and Howard Dean candidacies. At least in 2008.

Maybe the pundits need to go to movies and read books for a few months and let presidential politics go fallow for now.

great accomplishments worthy enough to take such a important office.

Such as running a bunch of businesses into the ground for daddy's friends to bail you out of, and drilling some dry holes in west Texas.

if barak wants to run, fine. i'm awaiting and hoping for al gore as prez in 08, but obama would be a solar system or two in the right direction over the fools currently minding the national store. the prez is a retard being advised by a fetid stew of fundies, neo-cons and birchers.

America will not vote for a black man or a woman of any color in 2008 and for years after. I will be long dead before it happens It won't happen because America has regressed under Bush and the Republicans not progressed.

Don't know much about him, but the few times I've seen him speak he seemed very intelligent and articulate. One thing that stands out in my mind - a writer had interviewed him, and in the resulting favorable article noted that during one of the interviews Obama had absently sketched a portrait of himself, suggesting he has a huge ego. But then that's practically a prerequisite for American politics, isn't it?

From Frank Rich's column in todays NY Times:

What makes the liberal establishment's crush on Mr. Obama disconcerting is that it too often sees him as a love child of a pollster's focus group: a one-man Benetton ad who can be all things to all people. He's black and he's white. He's both of immigrant stock (Kenya) and the American heartland (Kansas, yet). He speaks openly about his faith without disowning evolution. He has both gravitas and unpretentious humor. He was the editor of The Harvard Law Review and also won a Grammy (for the audiobook of his touching memoir, "Dreams From My Father"). He exudes perfection but has owned up to youthful indiscretions with drugs. He is post-boomer and post-civil-rights-movement. He is Bill Clinton without the baggage, a fail-safe 21st-century bridge from "A Place Called Hope" to "The Audacity of Hope."

Mr. Obama has offended no one (a silly tiff with John McCain excepted). Search right-wing blogs and you'll find none of the invective showered on other liberal Democrats in general and black liberal leaders in particular. What little criticism Mr. Obama has received is from those in his own camp who find him cautious to a fault, especially on issues that might cause controversy. The sum of all his terrific parts, this theory goes, may be less than the whole: another Democrat who won't tell you what day it is before calling a consultant, another human weather vane who waits to see which way the wind is blowing before taking a stand.

My problem with him is the fact that he is a constitutional law scholar and professor of same at my alma mater, the U of C, and was not a leader in the opposition to Roberts or Alito nor in opposition to the Military Tribunals Act ( or whatever the recent statute that purports to deny judicial review to those targeted by the administration is called). As Travis Smiley said on Chicago Tonight to John Callaway, he hasn't shown any courage.

This guy should absolutely run for president. I haven't decided if he's my favorite yet, but there is no way his running could hurt the party or the nation. He's the kind of person who keeps the other candidates honest in a primary, regardless of whether he wins.

And yes, it truly is hilarious to hear GOP spokesbots gripe about his short political resume after bowing at the alter of W for six years. You just can't trust a guy who spent his formative years studying constitutional law instead of bankrupting oil companies.

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GC, as someone who used to live in his IL state senate district and a couple blocks away from the UC law school where he taught, I can tell you that Obama is the real deal.

That being said, Obama won't be running for POTUS, per se; he is positioning himself for a VP deal.

Thanks, Disputo. That is what I wanted to know. Now that I think about it, he could be a strong asset in the VP slot, couldn't he?

Watched him on Meet the Press this morning. He is very polished with a quick, nimble mind. Handles awkward questions easily. Experience level questionable, but superior to Bush at start of his Presidency. In view of last 6-year Bush record, no question intelligence and judgement far superior. Is US ready for its first black President? Ask me next year after I see how we have gotten used to our first Woman Speaker.

You just can't trust a guy who spent his formative years studying constitutional law instead of bankrupting oil companies.

Priceless!

I confess that I caught part of MtP this morning, and when I saw The Best Thing Ever one thread down, I originally thought it was about Obama, rather than the i-Pod.

Sorry - The Perfect Thing not "the best thing ever."

There are about a dozen different Dem P/VP formulations that I would be quite happy with, but I would be most interested to see how a Richardson/Obama ticket would play. I know it runs against CW (how can a ticket from the Southwest and Midwest get the electorals needed?) but I really think that ticket might just have the combination of gravitas and excitement needed to win, and, more importantly, give us hope again for our country.

Ask me next year after I see how we have gotten used to our first Woman Speaker.

That's a very good point. I'm sure the HRC camp will be watching that very carefully.

At union halls, he tells the workers that the drain of jobs to India and China is inevitable

Does he mean "inevitable" in the sense that trade protection for American manufacturing is impossible, or just that our politicians will never enact it?

Here's the metric to judge a Democratic presidential aspirant by: Name any states this person can take that Gore or Kerry could not. It really is that simple. All other considerations (like qualifications) are rendered secondary. And by that measure, we can easily rule out Obama, Clinton and Feingold. None could even compete in the South. If the Dems take a house next month, that would be swept away in '08 should any of those three be the nominee. I suspect the primaries will take care of this issue; here's hoping.

After the last two Bush VPs, can we agree not to nominate someone we couldn't see as president?

In other words, I don't think that saying Obama isn't ready to be President but he is ready to be Veep is a valid position.

Max, Bush didn't win on Southern states alone.

I hate to spoil the Party, but in the latest Duckworth commercial, Barack Obama is being highly misleading. Hey, such "nuanced" speech worked for Clinton, right?

The it seems that the only thing the trolls can latch onto about Obama is that he doesn't (yet) have the resume needed to be President. This is, of course, an easy nit to pick but pretty much missed the mark.

First, Obama's resume is pretty good for someone in his 40s. Political science degree with an emphasis on international relations, magna cum laude graduate of the Harvard Law School, president of the Harvard Law Review, civil rights attorney, teacher of constitutional law at the University of Chicago, elected to the Illinois state senate in 1996 and the U.S. Senate in 2004. Admittedly not the kind of background you'd expect from a Republican (failed business man and weak Governor from a wealthy family, for example) but certainly better many successful – even great – presidents.

Now directly to the point: there isn't any objective evidence that a “standard” presidential resume correlates with success in office. Take for example Warren Harding, the second worst president in the last 100 years. Wealthy self-made businessman, one term U.S. Senator, and terrible president. Or Herbert Hoover. Wealthy self-made businessman, humanitarian, commerce secretary, and a deer caught in the headlights when the Great Depression hit.

Contrast that to Franklin Roosevelt. A wealthy playboy who used his name to get elected to the New Your state senate from his traditionally Republican district where he served briefly before accepting an appointment as Assistant Secretary of the Navy. One term Governor of New York State (name recognition, again). Then he became arguably one of the greatest presidents in American History.

I could go on, but you get the point.

What makes a great President? Who knows? But Obama is certainly qualified.

aa

LMAO @ TLB.

So, the best the wingnuts have to disparage Obama is to point out where he agrees with GWB, and then compare that to Clinton?

I'm soooo looking forward to Nov 8th, when all the paid trolls hit the unemployment office.

Obama is a smart man. He knows all the arugments made here as to why he won't/can't win nomination or presidency. I really think he is putting himself in play for VP slot, especially after Mark Warner dropped out. Otherwise, none of this makes any sense.

He tells people what they don't want to hear. Yeah, he's perfect centrist Dem. On Meet the Press, he shows himself to as cowardly, spineless, having complete lack of any real vision for American, was more cowardly then John Kerry.

For all his inperfections, I would rather have someone like Howard Dean. Centrist Dems are not like Repulicans at all, no conservatives will vote for Obama, lefty liberals won't vote for him either, a regular TNR dream boy but that's a very tiny minority.

And its funny but Obama sure did skirt all issue on Meet the Press.

Seriously. Has Barack done anything big? No. Now I wasn't around back then, but can anybody tell me anything Jimmy Carter did that made him deserve the presidency besides not lying? If we want another surefire loser but somebody whose done a lot, why don't we just nominate Ted Kennedy? And in regards to the "the establishment press is for him so I'm against him," Joe Klein loves Bill, and while he may not have been the perfect liberal President, at least he got elected.

I haven't been following Barack Obama very much, so the '04 article
was quite informative and I completely agree with the underlying
thesis. But I think one of the things we're witnessing now with a
first-term Senator's impossibly rising stock is a strong desire to
find an anti-Hillary since Warner dropped out. Many people in the
party are dead-convinced her negatives are too high and, while she'll
wallop her competition in the primaries, she's flat-out unelectable in
the general and is in fact the GOP's wet dream opposition candidate.

So the Dems have been prone to dreaming lately. Same thing
happened briefly with Gore after An Inconvenient Truth came out.

The amusing thing about the trolls in this thread is how they throw
Obama into the liberal interest-group poll box, when in fact Obama is
the last thing from that sort of politician. If anything, he almost
seems a little concern-trollish -- far from telling everybody what
they want to hear, he's prone to dialectically rebut his supporters.

I don't know as yet what to think of this; a half-black candidate
whose entire MO seems to consist of Sister Soulja Moments. Part of
me is inclined to gag at the calculated centrism of it all -- like
Hillary -- that scary 60s liberal -- having to position herself
to the right of Genghis Khan on foreign policy. Then another part
is open to the idea that Barak Obama may be a different kind of
centrist who's speaking from conviction and not calculation.

I don't know yet. I'll echo others, though, and say that it's
simply exciting at this early stage to have him in the mix.

Bob

I got replies from both of my senators regarding the Military Commissions Act (aka Torture Bill). Durbin's was clear and to the point, condemning it and expressing the hope that it would fail judicial review or that it could be overturned by a saner congress. Obama's was all wonky and murky, centering on his and others' amendments that woulda made it alright or something.

Not impressive, as has been his calculating performance on a number of other issues.

loser - I sent emails to my Senators. Kit Bond din't reply. Jim talent sent me a form letter thanking me for my support. I posted it along with the text of my original email.

Burning his political career to the ground is woth the cost of Nexis access.

The difference between liberals and conservatives is conservatives believe people should only become President after they have done great accomplishments worthy enough to take such a important office. Liberals don't care because for them, winning a Presidential election is just crass politics just as everything for them is.

Al, the difference between liberals and conservatives is that liberals love America and conservatives don't.

It's worth noting that Obama does have a lot more experience than Abraham Lincoln had when he was elected president. Granted, there's a huge difference between America in 2008 and America in 1860, but charisma does still go a long way.

IMHO niether Obama, Clinton or Kerry will win the presidency in 2008.

Edwards, (Gore?), McCain or someone else not yet on the scene will win it.

he's prone to dialectically rebut his supporters.

Socractic method. Remember that he was a law school professor.

Disputo:

That would be my preferred method of discourse with politicians. It's very important to challenge one's assumptions -- and that is, of course, the sine qua non of reality-based community. If my gut tells me we should start pulling the troops out of Iraq immediately -- I want to hear from a candidate why they don't think that's a good idea, rather than hearing him or her merely mirror my concern. A politician who gets people to *think* is a rare commodity, indeed.

But I wonder how well this will play outside of liberal circles. Liberals are already prone to questioning themselves; they hear it from an Obama and almost take a masochistic glee in being rebutted (and the fact that this is a "strong, independent black man" doing it is an added plus, guilt-wise. Liberals *do* seem to make a fetish of guilt.)

If, as some others here have noted (Cheryl, loser), Obama continues to come up with policy-wonkish on-the-one-hand-but-then-on-the-other sort of answers to everything -- it does carry a downside.

You can't, after all, convey passionate conviction with the techniques of rational debate alone ...

As I say -- we'll see how well he can balance these two important but contradictory imperatives as things develop.

Bob

Barack Obama is the one prominent liberal who can communicate to Americans that he stands for liberal ideals not because he thinks this country is a bad place and needs to be changed, but because he believes liberalism is part of this country's heritage. Obama is the only Democrat that can make liberalism appeal to the mainstream in the way Reagan made conservatism appeal to the mainstream. Obama is also the only Democrat, aside from Gore, that could unite the liberal and centrist factions in the party. Obama may run during his first Senate term, just as Reagan ran during his first term as governor of California in 1968. If Obama does, he will likely be more successful in securing the nomination than Reagan was during his first run. And Obama would be the Democrats' strongest candidate, and the only one, aside from possibly Bill Richardson, who would have the ability to beat John McCain, the likely Republican nominee for 2008.

The money Democrats like Obama because they think he can sell Wall Street's program to the masses.

Obama hasn't been telling everyone what they don't want to hear, only certain groups, namely the progressives and the poor. He goes out and tells the traditional groups that back the Democratic party (blacks, the poor, labor) that they aren't going to get what they want. But he doesn't tell the well-off that they are going to have to pay more taxes. He doesn't tell CEOs that their compensation has reached unacceptable levels.

His is the kind of message that can attract large campaign contributions. But if he doesn't shift his message a bit, Sharpton and others are going to be going after him hard, and it's going to get nasty.

There's a precedent, of course: Bill Clinton using a second-rate rapper named Sista Souljah to attack Jesse Jackson, and running home to Arkansas to have a retarded man executed, all to impress the Sensible crowd about how "courageous" he was.

brian:

Wow, that's one of the only comments I've ever seen you write that I didn't instantly and viscerally disagree with :)

It's still too early yet -- but we'll see.

Joe Buck:

In the article Kevin linked, apparently Obama *does* do the straight talk thang with well-heeled whites, too, about rolling back the Bush tax cuts. My concern is less with (the inevitable) hard-left challengers than it is the John Kerry Nuance Syndrome. Barak has to come out swingin' on some core issues in no uncertain terms.

If the coming election turns out as we all hope (and I am only cautiously optimistic that we'll just take the House) as a wave election -- it may be that '08 is part of this wave as well, and a centrist concilliator might be less the man (or woman) of the hour than a more Howard Dean-like figure who connects strongly with the base. And if so, who knows ... maybe brian is right that Obama turns out to be the authentic liberal who can communicate liberalism to moderates the way Reagan could communicate conservatism to moderates ...

It may be, in fact, that Warner intuited the wave nature of the upcoming elections as part of his reason for dropping out.

Once again ... in this we shall see. It's still a long way off yet for predictions about anything.

Bob

I think this is a different brian. Check the email address.

IF I thought this was the other brian I waould be asking for answers to the questions I asked last night.

Globe:

First, belated congrats on your excellent piece :)

That's really weird. There's a capital-B Brian who's definitely "one of us," and then a small-b brian who's a definite conservative though I wouldn't go as far as to call him a troll. But you're right -- this new small-b brian's post I'd never expect in a million years from the brian I know and pull my hair out over. But I guess brian is a common name, after all ...

And on top of this, apparently there's a sane, civil, courteous and liberal poster using the handle of *Will Allen* lately. I don't get it -- why would a PA regular or somebody who finds the atmosphere congenial steal the handle of a totally obnoxious, egocentric concern troll -- if the original Will Allen isn't around to mock?

Weird, weird, weird ...

Bob

Thanks. Now that I have credibilityI have knocked off the "Idiot of the Day" because i would kind-of like to hold it.

I just put up a piece on Turkey and an indepedent Kurdistan and why partition is a bad idea.

"she's flat-out unelectable in
the general and is in fact the GOP's wet dream opposition candidate."

The Clinton's have beat that shit back everytime they've run against it. The republicans have nothing left on them, they best they could do is a greatest hits of the past that already failed, or absolute crazy blogger shit like Hillary did Arafat's wife.

They are terrified of Hillary.

Obama's "Straight Talk" is just as much calculated bullshit as McCain's. He Waffles, he cowers, he weasels, and then calls it centrist. I can sincerely say that after years of this guys endless carping on Democrats, the only thing I'm certain he believes is that he doesn't really want to be identified as a mainstream democrat. He wants to take up the Party Nag title once Lieberman is gone, god knows why. Probably because it gets him invited on more TV shows.

Don't ge me wrong, I'll vote for him if thats my alternative to whatever the thugs offer up, but I've got real doubts about what the real Obama looks like.

If we were to offer a black candidate, I actually prefer Al Sharpton to Obama. He really did well in the 2004 debates, and though the 1990's sharpton was sometimes foolish, the 2004 Sharpton was sharp and articulate and compelling. And a real fighter. He could get slimed hard, but I think he would hit back twice as hard. Obama would try to outcivil Kerry's response to the attacks, and would fail even worse than Kerry.

I suspect Clark will do fantastic this time - he's been building an organization this whole time, and has really been the one guy who had his hat in the ring again the day after the 2004 election. The military angle will likely be even more powerful this time, because of how run down it will be in 2008 after two more Bush years. I don't really like the idea of generals as Presidents, but this one would probably be OK.

Richardson should run to get a shot at VP. I don't think he will be able to take the skeletons that are pulled from his closet, nevermind the slime, and I think the visuals between a short, fat hispanic and whatever tall white man the republicans offer up are going to sell well. We are a stupid, white country. He exudes charm though, and is sharp as a tack. He'd probably do well as a president, though might be a lot more pro corporation than a lot of us would like.

Ah, the latest Great Black Hope of the self-hating white liberals. As an Illinoisan, I haven't been so proud since we sent the welfare queen Carol Moseley Braun to Congress.

We don't know much about him here in Illinois since he got in when his opponents self-destructed:

http://gadflyer.com/articles/?ArticleID=38
Until a month ago, it appeared that multimillionaire investor Blair Hull would be able to spend his way to the Democratic nomination. But even the $29 million Hull spent couldn't save his candidacy once the ugly details of his divorce became public. Hull's campaign imploded, and Obama quickly emerged as the man to beat.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/06/22/ryan.divorce/
CHICAGO, Illinois (CNN) -- The ex-wife of Jack Ryan, the Republican candidate for the U.S. Senate in Illinois, alleged in court papers filed in 2000 that he took her to sex clubs and asked her to engage in sexual activity in front of other patrons.

...but he does seem to be allied with the traitorous Jose McCain in supporting the invasion of illegal aliens, so we can guess he is either owned by business or doesn't like white people very much.

given the heartland's voting trends for the past 6 years, I'm starting to think even white people don't like white people (or america) very much.

I am well into Barak Obama's book, "The Audacity of Hope." So far the message seems to be "we have more in common, than we have as differences." He appears to be trying to bridge gulf between "liberals" and "conservatives."

Returning civility to public discourse would not be a bad thing. He was a somewhat calming influence in the Illinois state senate. He has the ability to bring disparate people together and get them to agree in a common cause. Much as Glenn Poshard did in the House from 1988 - 1998.

I think we need to give Senator Obama some time to fully develop some position papers that incorporate ideas from across the political spectrum.

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We don't know much about him here in Illinois since he got in when his opponents self-destructed:

Well, smart and involved people in Illinois do, as do those who aren't members of the racist party. That's the Republican Party, in case you were wondering.

Obama is a smart, decent centrist, with more leadership skills than anybody I've seen this side of Ronald Reagan.

Perhaps you could tell us what "Baraka" has done for America in all his years of public service?

Roll back the clock to 2000. Change the name to Bush.

Then, follow Mr. Goodbar's advice: "GFY. Do it today!"

Talk about Obama and his "centrist" leanings are a bs argument against him running or being elected as president.

Sure, no Republicans will vote for him.

But Obama is the only -- I repeat, only -- candidate who can bring in new voters to the system who will be his supporters and likely voting Democrat.

Boronx - You must have missed the key dymanic of the 2000 and 2004 elections. Of course Repubs didn't just do it with the South, but once the South was in their hip pockets, they could concentrate their resources on the remainder; it made their job much easier. I knew Kerry had lost when he gave up on Missouri in early October.

The Democratic party cannot win without at least a couple of Southern states and be competative in a few others. And it's doable, although not with Clinton, Feingold or Obama. There are a lot of potential Blue State whites waiting to burst out, given half a chance. As Edwards keeps saying to Southern Whites: "You've been voting Republican for 40 years now. What do you have to show for it?"

And to say "A Black can't win" or "A woman can't win" is the height of hypocracy: A REPUBLICAN woman or Black could win. But not a Democrat at this point in our country's history.

What makes a great President? Who knows? But Obama is certainly qualified.

I admit to being underwhelmed* by Obama but then again the point about FDR is valid. On the other hand, Clinton had many accomplishments AND was a very good president, even if he wasn't progressive enough on many issues. One thing FDR and Clinton had in common is an inquisitive mind. Perhaps that is one quality in a great president. Dubya's mind is as locked and closed as a bank vault door.

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*Great speaker, but too centrist, and not really battle tested in his senate race v. Jack Ryan (who crashed and burned with a sex scandal and morphed into) Alan Keyes.

Joe Buck is right. Obama's schtick seems to be telling little folks they don't have the answers but not showing the same willingness to lecture the corporate powers that be. He also fails to tell the people he feels are missing the point what his brilliant answer is. His earlier performance on MTP was a disaster showing a total inability to parry and riposte.

So far, he hasn't taken a really courageous stance on anything and seems to really lack what previous charismatic Dems had - a personality. Hate to agree with Novack but when he says Obama lacks humor and irony he does seem right. Unfortunately, as well his ego seems like it weighs 5 times more than he does. Not appealing. The classic nerd, "urkel", "poindexter".

1.) calling Barak black is racist, and snuffs out the 50% of him that is white.

2.) GOP would love either Hillary or Barak in 2008: it guarantees GOP victory for another eight years.

Mr. Obama is the corrupt Illinois Republican's gift to the Democrats. The Republicans MADE Obama.

The Illnois Republicans declined to support a then-incumbent Senator, Peter Fitzergerald. (Mr. Fitzgerald was the guy who brought an independent US Attorney to Chicago, the unrelated Patrick Fitzgerald, who has about 50 state employees now guests of the United States on assorted corruption charges. An Illinois former governor reports to the work farm for his sentence after the first of then year.) The successful Republican primary candidate was a bright, wealthy guy who had an UGLY UGLY divorce which haunted him, and Obama ran against Allen Keyes, a bright guy who IS NOT PACKAGED FOR TELEVISION. Obama won the beauty contest.

Enjoyed your post, Tribal Elder. Perhaps Keyes may be bright, but also two sandwiches short of a picnic. He was an embarassment. It was hardly just a beauty contest Obama would have won no matter who the Republicans had put up.

But the notion that someone with two years' public service experience is ready for the Presidency is, well, troublesome, to say the least.

Again, as was demonstrated in '04, when most rank-and-file Dems figured out Dean had no chance against Bush . . . well, too bad Kerry proved he didn't have the mojo to do it - but it didn't look that way in the primaries.

One thing that I keep coming back to, and perhaps part of the appeal of Obama and Clinton: They're not wimps, unlike Kerry, Gore, Dukakis, Mondale, Carter . . . For a long time, we keep putting up wimps.

Remember the line about Thatcher? "Reagan, with balls."

How to stop Barack Obama -

Go to www.altara.blogspot.com

Homer Hewitt

Love to see Obama v. Rice. The sound of exploding heads atop red necks might damage our ears, though...

Interesting. Because I came away from the recent stuff in Time magazine thinking that this was a man who above all needs to be liked. That his desire to have his opponents like him will cause him to betray liberal values in the end.

Although it's always possible that he doesn't hold those liberal values that strong. He seems to have been raised extremely liberal, he's an intellectual who would have continued to primarily encounter such liberalism in college, but I'm not sure that his mature stance will be one we will appreciate.

Obama would be a formidable candidate. In the Democratic primaries he would benefit from being the alternative to past Democrat nominees Kerry, Gore, and Hillary Clinton (through her association with her husband).

At the moment, I still don't think he will run, but he would have a very good chance to take the nomination if he did.j

As for the age/experience thing, I am not a big believer in it as a qualification for the job.

My guess is that some time last week Obama got the e-mail from Hillary: "Go ahead and start campaigning; avoid any big gaffes and you are on the ticket as my VP".

Cranky

Bob Herbert has an excellent perspective in today's New York Times.

Clinton/Obama? That would get no more than, oh, 150 Electoral votes. Little wonder Republicans are so eager for such a ticket.

The supposed glee on the part of the Republicans at the possiblity of Obama running is telling.

The great achiles heel of the right is they don’t believe in evolution—of anything. That includes America’s tolerance of racism, our willingness to be scared, anything. So they think the same election tactics will work forever. They won’t.

Here’s what will really happen.

1. America will be so tired of the current Republican supported divisions of just about everything in our society that they will enthusiastically support Obama who is the only man who can bring red and blue, religious and non, midlands and coasts together.

2. The media is already in love with him. They will treat him with kid gloves, not just because he is a plain speaker, self deprecating and smart, but because criticizing a brown person can only be done with great tenderness. Reverse racism works to our advantage.

3. After two years of Dem investigations of Republican chicaneries, any Dem will win, but Obama will win in a landslide of Rooseveltian proportions.

For heavens sakes, fellow liberals who are wary of Obama, you want the Dems back in power don’t you? Your savior is standing there and you don’t see it.

I remember back when Obama ran against Bobby Rush for the House. It was ugly. Obama campaigned like a man who expected victory as his due. He behaved as though running for so small a prize was beneath someone with his manifest talents. He was the man with the golden resume and the favorite black politician of Chicago's (very) rich whites. He seemed more at home schmoozing the Crowns and Pritzkers than speaking to the congregation at a black church.

Rush is a real gutfighter and brilliantly and ruthlessly exploited poor blacks's resentments aginst Obama. He kneed Obama in the balls and then kicked him in the head as he lay crumpled on the sidewalk. It was a nasty campaign.

What's amazing is how much better a politician Obama is today. The guy really learns from his failures and mistakes. He comes across as far more humble -- and more likeable -- than he did a decade ago. That, more than anything, is why Obama impresses me and why I'd support him.

As others have said, I wish he'd be associated with something more than a single speech. Find some issue and make it his own.

But I still think the dark horse is Clark.

Oh would that it were, James of DC, what a wonderful world it would be. You remind me of my young nephew confidently predicting a Kerry landslide, or 22 years ago of a buddy who thought Mondale would win by a landslide. Or myself at 18, working for McGovern, my thinking he could win, as I could not bear the thought of another Nixon term. You do not yet realize how reactionary our country is in fact.

Oh Barac, OH Barac you Sir have been the victim of a scheme by the Press and hiped to Hell and back by the Spin Machines. Beware,you will be in some kind of major,major Controversy before 07 is over.Stay away from Her Highness the Witch of New York for a spell will be cast on you.You may already be a Frog and not even know it.No matter what do not listen to Howeird Dean,he is Hillarys Medicine Man.She has Endowed him with many powers,spinning like a clumbsy spider,breathing fire on Joe Six Pack and mostly to act as a Horsesass.What an outstanding Record Sir Dean will have come two weeks from this day,two Elections two losses,that equals EXACTLY %100 of nothing.I wish you luck,really I do but,first you must teach Drunk Ted how pronounce your name.Do you really think you are getting between Bill & Her Highness for their Third Tern.SIR...you will be spun out of control and changed into an Extreme Left Wing Nut.While all along... Her Highness is a moderate and has no Equal.What fun we will all have in 2008!!!!!!
Best Wishes from a Republican Smart Ass

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If he runs, Obama will win the nomination and would probably beat McCain in a close one. McCain will have to shift too far to the right in order to win the nomination and won't be able to get back to the middle sufficiently in the general. But what everyone is missing is that Obama will be even more of a "rock star" on the world stage. Electing a uniter like Obama is the only way we can regain the moral high ground in the eyes of most of the world. McCain would be respected, but Obama would be absolutely adored.