Crimespeak! Doubleplusungood!

CLICK THE LINK. ALWAYS CLICK THE LINK. The White House said Al-Jazeera had mistranslated what Fernandez said.

Link

"Responding to Fernandez's comments over the weekend, before the apology, State Department spokesman Sean McCormack told reporters "He (Fernandez) says he has been misquoted. I asked if he thought it was lost in translation and he said, 'That's my take.' ""

"Additionally, a senior Bush administration official earlier said, "I can only assume his remarks must have been mistranslated. Those comments obviously don't reflect our policy.""

Al-Jazeera screwed up on the translation. It was probably a deliberate attempt by Al-Jazeera to lie to the American people what Fernandez said because they want to embarrass Bush right before the elections.

What translation? From Spanish?? We have, IIRC, only one official at State whose Arabic is good enough to go on Al-Jazeera. And it isn't this guy. If Al-Jazeera translated him to Arabic and mistranslated him back into English, well, what did he say originally?!

Yes, he had said "lollypops and ponies", but those bastards at Al Jazeera...

(I wonder if a news organization like Al Jazeera might have it all on tape?)

Al:

"That's my take" isn't an explanation -- it's an opinion.

Bob

yes, it was a translation error. Fernandez actually said, "there is a strong possibility history will show the United States displayed "foresight and resolution" in its handling of the Iraq war."

We can hardly expect senior State Departmetn diplomats to know that that foresight translates into Arabic as "arrogance" and "resolution" translates as stupidity. For example, one pithy Arabic proverb translates roughly as "The wise man alienates his friends and makes enemies freely. His resolution paves the path to hell."

And speaking of gaffes, so Bush now says he never said we would "stay the course?"

Al --

If you are going yo click the link, then you need to read it.

The State Dept. official agrees he was NOT misquoted, just offcering an opinion of how the US might be viewed in the future.

Trouble is, by speaking it, he brings the opinion into the present. Nice work.

And, hey, Al, since when did the State Dept. get to be so incompetent in translation. Seems like you are more than willing to accept the translation of your choice when president Ahmadinejad is talking.

My son is fluent in Arabic and watched the Al Jazeera feed live. He said it the way it was originally reported. Out of context my ass. Here is a link to analysis of the remarks by Fernanzez.

Alberto Fernandez is fluent in Arabic. You have been mislead, Andrew J. Lazarus. I'll stake out territory on this debate (until I go to bed anyway) because I was a full 12 hours ahead of Josh Marshall on this one.

Well, G'night. I'll check the threads tomorrow.

Oh - and I don't think it was a gaffe. I think it was calculated. I don't believe this guy is stupid enough to slip up like that accidentally.

Our policy has gone so far off the rails that even serving generals and diplomats are willing to admit it on record. The senior folks are dedicated to getting things right, solving problems, and we are so deep in it now that person after person is crying out.

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Al-Jazeera screwed up on the translation. It was probably a deliberate attempt by Al-Jazeera to lie to the American people what Fernandez said because they want to embarrass Bush right before the elections.

Um, no. NPR seperately translated the remarks, and, gee whiz, Fernandez said exactly that. I did think he was going to backpedal.

As Kevin said:
"A gaffe is when a politician accidentally tells the truth"?

al: Al-Jazeera screwed up on the translation.

much like that german reporter did for president bush here:

When asked about his high point since becoming president Bush replied:

"I would say the best moment of all was when I caught a 7.5 pound perch in my lake." - 5/7/06

turns out it was a bass instead...

Here is what needs to be uppermost in the minds of those opposing Bush: When Iraq goes supernova it will be accepted by a majority of the U.S. public the fault lies with Democrats, the media, gays, feminists, academics, atheists and Hollywood. 2008 will see a campaign run on the premise it is more important than ever Republicans keep the presidency and are returned to power in Congress. It will be successfully alleged a coalition of the above mentioned groups will destroy whatever chances remain to defeat terrorists, just as they lost Iraq. File this away, it will happen.
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You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.
Abraham Lincoln
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Republicans will settle for "all of the people some of the time" if some of the time is Election Day 2008.

That Al-Bot is one heckuva code.

History will show that the U.S. resorted to raw imperialism and barbarism when a petulant, immature asshole seized power in the 2000 election after having received less votes and began acting out his unrequited, infantile Oedipal fantasies.

George W. Bush = The American Caligula

What he really meant was, "history will show the Bush administration displayed incredible, unprecedented arrogance and monumental stupidity in its handling of the Iraq war and everything else it touches."

Viet-Nam as brought to us by the men and women described as the "best and the brightest".

Iraq has been brought to us by the "worst and the stupidest".

The BBC made the same translation. It must be a conspiracy, Al you willfully ignorant slut.

Cheers,

Alan Tomlinson

This is a clasic "gaffe." Much like the man who meant to ask his wife to pass the pepper, but accidentally said "You ruined the best years of my life, you f#$@incg b*tch!"

Happens all the time.

Al's a traitor!!! Think about it - you can't spell Al Jazeera or Al Qaeda without A-L.

And yet, my personal favorite, as previously mentioned by another, is Bush's new dismissal of his STAY THE COURSE rant for the past months! I'd love to get a close up look at the interior of HIS BUBBLE...and, how have I managed to stay MARK STEYN free? Is he the sober man's Hitchins??? YEUW!!!!

A gaffe is never a gaffe until your Emporer tells you it is and a career ender to boot.

Who the hell cares what Kinsley has to say.

Michael Kinsley's last column sure did employ the old Karl Rove trick of projection-ism.

Poor Dennis Hastert is suspected, probably falsely, of being willing to sacrifice a child for the good of his party, and now the other party reaps the benefit. Do you think that if the devil told Nancy Pelosi she could undo the scandal, save these 17-year-olds from the trauma of e-mail from a sicko congressman, and give up her hopes of being speaker, that she would find such an offer tempting? I don't. And I don't think Nancy Pelosi is callous or cruel. If she thought it through, she might conclude that the good that can come from a Democratic Congress exceeds the evil that a few randy e-mails may have done to a few teenage pages. Meanwhile, most Americans, I strongly suspect, would happily sacrifice a few more pages just to keep the story going for entertainment purposes.

In other word, Hastert is an innocent no-knowing that has no right to say the "Buck stops here" because he is innocently out-to-the-loop. Sorry, I don't buy that.

But Nancy Pelosi is an evil Dem politician who wished MORE pages were harrassed.

I've got to say to Kinsley that I think those Repug white evangelicals and Karl Rove can handled this projection-ism ALL without Kinsley's nasty two-cents worth.

Frankly, I'm sure Hastert knew full well about this sexual harassment issue with regard to Foley, and second of all, I’m sure that Nancy would never have allowed sexual harassment in her own ranks.

It seems Kinsley would sell his own soul if he could just be loved by this administration, just like way Judith Miller got everything - and Kinsley got nothing.

It's like that one column that Kinsley wrote saying that Lieberman and McCain were two most "honest" politicans, when frankly, they appear to be the two most dishonest politicans.

Kinsley is lot like Broder and Friedman, but without all the TV appearences. Poor Kinsley, if only he could get some face time on TV. It's been so long since Kinsley wrote anything meanful, I doubt if Kinsley even knows how to write a great column anymore.

"This is a clasic "gaffe." Much like the man who meant to ask his wife to pass the pepper, but accidentally said "You ruined the best years of my life, you f#$@incg b*tch!""

Is "gaffe", French?

I am surprised it took 24 hours for his political bosses to turn him. I am waiting to see what the appropriate punishment will be. Perhaps nothing, since he disgraced himself by issuing a recantation. If Fernandez stuck by his comments, then reprisal would have been on a Wilson/Plame scale.

This diplomat said something that was not diplomatic. What he said was both true and wrong.

Wrong because it makes the US look bad, but also wrong because it's virtually an oxymoron. It takes arrogance to have operations far from home. Then the lack of familiarity means that one is stupid about local conditions. Every organization that conducts operations far from home will display arrogance and stupidity.

The US displayed arrogance and stupidity in WW1 and WW2. Al Qaeda displays arrogance and stupidity daily, as do the various insurgent groups in Iraq. The UN's humanitarian operations are full of arrogance and stupity. Private do-good groups are as well, although none of them can match the UN in these two respects.

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ex-liberal:

But what's fundamentally different here is the *scale* of arrogance and stupidity.

Comparing the arrogance and stupidity of the Iraq war to the arrogance and stupidity of a well-meaning but failed mission like Somalia is like comparing the Trinity plutonium weapon test to a firecracker.

Bob

Cheryl,

I'm with Kinsley. Why didn't Pelosi use her magic wand to undo the congressional page molesting?

And thanks Kevin for your quote attributing great wisdom to Kinsley. It would greatly improve your blog if you quoted him in every post.

Can't say this enough: 'Fewer' is number; 'less' is quantity.

Correct: Janie complained that she got less jam than John.

Incorrecct: 'having received less votes'

Agree with sentiments expressed however.

I'm the reason your Albertson's Express line has a sign reading '10 Items or Fewer'.

Comparing the arrogance and stupidity of the Iraq war to the arrogance and stupidity of a well-meaning but failed mission like Somalia is like comparing the Trinity plutonium weapon test to a firecracker.

Bob

Or comparing advocates of population control to Hiler era eugenics crackpots?

"This diplomat said something that was not diplomatic. What he said was both true and wrong."

Actually it might have been diplomatic if it were a preliminary effort to negotiate with various insurgent groups who are currently pummelling our troops and any Iraqis brave enough to defy sectarian and militia pressures and fight for the elected Iraqi government.

No doubt you would prefer to hear the namby-pamby passive voice from him--mistakes were made. Somehow mistakes made themselves apart from the volition of any human beings. (OT That works against creationism, doesn't it?) Perhaps he thought that the insurgents creating violent chaos in Iraq wouldn't admire a tone of "goodness gracious however did I end up in this smashed up car with an alcohol blood level of .25 and a dozen dead people on the hood? Well, let's work together to bury the bodies and just move on to the carwash. History will decide what my legacy will be."

CFShep:

Population control is a slippery slope just as is eugenics.

And since eugenics is a form of population control ...

Cyn, I laid this out clearly in the other thread. You can't advocate population control (beyond advocating for family planning and birth control which I think most sane people support) without bringing in questions with eugenic implications. If the smart, well-educated people aren't breeding as fast as the less educated and less smart -- anything that attempts to redress that balance is a eugenics argument.

Bob

My wife sent me and my daughter to the store with a shopping list. I had my daughter read the list out loud as I grabbed the items and put them in the cart.

We came home with 'milk', but my wife informed me I was supposed to buy 'ilkm'.

Damn translator.

Kevin's post reveals what liberals already know:

"It's only true if it insults George W Bush!"

Did it ever occur to anyone that an incompetent rascal from the Bush-hating State Department spoke out of turn and told a tale out of school that turned out not to be true? Of course not! You're all about the demonization of good people in the name of your craven power grab. This election season is all about a devious Democratic minority seizing as much power as possible so they can abandon the Middle East, raise taxes, deliver Cadillacs to women on welfare and give condoms to grade school children.

And you wonder why no one votes for you.

The bloody twit named rmck1:

You can't advocate population control (beyond advocating for family planning and birth control which I think most sane people support) without bringing in questions with eugenic implications.

Eugenics? What century are you living in? What insanity are you issuing forth with?

Is there a single human being alive who even uses the word "eugenics" in order to enter into discourse with another human being? Next you'll tell us that we can't put helmets on bicycle riders because that will throw the science of reading the bumps on peoples' heads (which is phrenology) off. Then you'll say that rhabdomancy should not be practiced, lest we offend the aquifer.

And you wonder why you're the biggest moron I've met.

It looks like Fernandez is ready to exit the government job for a book deal.

How many "Bush is evil" books will liberals buy? I think I am going to write one to take some kook money myself.

Alberto Fernandez has appeared on Al-Jazeera many times, and has been an effective voice of rational U.S. policy in the Middle East (even if it appears we do not seem to have one). He is fluent in Arablic; for a full review of what he actually said, plus the additional context in which he describes the role the Arab World needs to take, go here:

http://abuaardvark.typepad.com/abuaardvark/2006/10/the_fernandez_p.html

Marc Lynch, who hosts the blog site, http://abuaardvark.typepad.com/abuaardvark/ , is one of the most authortative experts on the Middle East, along with his colleague, Juan Cole, who hosts the website, Informed Comment,
http://www.juancole.com

"And you wonder why you're the biggest moron I've met."

Posted by: Norman Rogers on October 23, 2006 at 11:20 AM

No, he doesn't wonder this, nor does anyone else outside of the Trolletariat, Norman old chap. We all already know who the biggest moron you have ever met is, that being yourself whenever you look in the mirror. If you are going to make clumsy attacks like this, at least try and make them semi-plausible, otherwise you look even more foolish than your usual asinine self. Which does take some doing given just how absolutely moronic you manage to appear on a daily basis despite your ability to write in complete sentences and paragraphs unlike many of your comrades here.

How many "Bush is evil" books will liberals buy?

The better question is how many more dozens of former Bush staff will continue writing these books.

Oh and Norman, parody or not, STFU. It's getting old.

Actually, I'm with ex-liberal, in the sense that any large undertaking will probably involve a certain amount of arrogance and stupidity. In that sense, what Fernandez said was simply a polite expression of contrition for whatever elements of the US's behavior and policies may have hurt and angered people, which is a smart and rather uncontroversial thing to say to one's audience. It shouldn't be an embarrassing thing to say, and isn't even a general apology for or condemnation of the war or of the US's execution of it. It's simple good manners. The US should be saying things like this more often.

What Fernandez's forced apology points out, however, is that American government officials are so tightly constrained by the terms of political debate back home, within the American mediasphere, that they are unable even to speak sensibly or politely to foreign interlocutors, for fear of saying something which might embarrass the Administration in the eyes of the home audience. This problem is exacerbated by the unwillingness of this Administration ever to admit any error to an American audience. Because it views any admission of error as a political mistake within the US media game, its emissaries abroad are unable to acknowledge any wrongdoing, or issue even the mildest and most general of polite apologies, even in conversations with audiences who feel that they have been directly wronged and harmed by the US.

This is why everybody in the world thinks we're such assholes.

Bob and CFShep, to say that things are going badly in Iraq is one thing. To see it as the greatest disaster in the history of war is just grandiousity. Here's a quote from historian Victor David Hansen:

The odd thing is that, for all the gloom and furor, and real blunders, nevertheless, by the historical standards of most wars, we have done well enough to win in Iraq, and still have a good shot of doing the impossible in seeing this government survive. More importantly still, worldwide we are beating the Islamic fundamentalists and their autocratic supporters. Iranian-style theocracy has not spread. For all the talk of losing Afghanistan, the Taliban are still dispersed or in hiding — so is al Qaeda. Europe is galvanizing against Islamism in a way unimaginable just three years ago. The world is finally focusing on Iran. Hezbollah did not win the last war, but lost both prestige and billions of dollars in infrastructure, despite a lackluster effort by Israel. Elections have embarrassed a Hamas that, the global community sees, destroys most of what it touches and now must publicly confess that it will never recognize Israel. Countries like Libya are turning, and Syria is more isolated. If we keep the pressure up in Iraq and Afghanistan and work with our allies, Islamism and its facilitators will be proven bankrupt.

Orwell:

How many "Bush is evil" books will liberals buy? I think I am going to write one to take some kook money myself.

That's not a bad strategy. I, myself, have long wondered if I would ever have the time to write my expose on liberalism and how it relates to the destruction of capitalism. I could do it as a children's book: "Mommy, the liberals raised taxes and ruined my entire investment portfolio."

But what you discover is, the fools have no money. They rarely have jobs that carry them through the year, they keep waiting for a handout and they won't do an honest day's work to save their lives. Many of them wear the same clothes they wore in high school because they think it makes them look "cool" when, in fact, it makes them look "childish and immature."

In short, how can you take money from people that don't have it? And when they do steal some money from an honest man, they usually buy drugs or bad movies with it.

ckelly:

What is this about a parody? Is this your way of saying that someone who thinks differently from you MUST be a parody? Ha! That's the best line of the day!

My profound apologies--this is, after all, merely an echo chamber for hollow-headed fools.

It seems that Fernandez' "explanation" of what he really meant to say is "we weren't stupid and arrogant, but everyone else is going to think so in the future." Is that really an improvement?

Can we agree that Bush's Folly is the biggest cock-up of western foreign policy toward the middle east since Suez? There is a starting point.

"How many "Bush is evil" books will liberals buy? I think I am going to write one to take some kook money myself."

Be our guest. The subject has not yet been covered completely, because Bush is still president. Plus I'm sure that within the next fifty years there will be sets of memoirs coming out that will set our hair on end.

I look forward to the "Bush was good" books too. The reader will be able to finish one in the time it takes to steep a cup of tea.

Here's a quote from historian Victor David Hansen:

And here is a quote from a scholar who merits equal respect, Sesame Street's Grover.

Game-Show Host Muppet: And now, with everybody blindfolded, it's time to play "What's On the Table"? Your first clue: it is...red!

Grover: I know! A cow! It's gotta be a cow!

It won't be long before "grasping at straws" will be replaced in common parlance by "trying to defend Bush." We can thank ex-liberal, Al, Norman, and American Hawk-up for this linguitic revolution.

Speaker of the Missouri House in Platte County about two weeks ago:

Jetton thanked the Republican faithful for turning out. "Democrats don't have a problem during the day because they don't have jobs," Jetton said, according to Kansas City media reports. "Republicans work. It's a little harder for them."

The audacity of these pricks is just stupefying.

Global Citizen: Can we agree that Bush's Folly is the biggest cock-up of western foreign policy toward the middle east since Suez?

Heavens, no. The US is actually better off now than we were when Saddam was in power, because today's Iraq will not develop nukes. Saddam, OTOH, came close twice.

The biggest cock-up in the middle east in the last 50 years was Jimmy Carter allowing the Shah to be replaced by the Mullahs. The Shah was a selfish tyrant. But, the Mullahs are far, far worse, both internally and externally.

They rarely have jobs that carry them through the year, they keep waiting for a handout and they won't do an honest day's work to save their lives. Many of them wear the same clothes they wore in high school because they think it makes them look "cool" when, in fact, it makes them look "childish and immature."

As if we needed any more evidence of Normie's inane posturing. WTF are you talking about? Did you forget to take your meds, or did you take too many?

foe of David Brooks:

And here is a quote from a scholar who merits equal respect, Sesame Street's Grover.

Did it occur to you that Grover is a philosopher, not a scholar? I did not think so. Please apologize immediately and in a substantive way.

Scrotum:

Which does take some doing given just how absolutely moronic you manage to appear on a daily basis despite your ability to write in complete sentences and paragraphs unlike many of your comrades here.

That's the real problem, isn't it? Despite the fact that I have a profoundly correct take on events (which are decidedly different from the liberal take on things), you wish me harm and you wish to censor me. As you well know, one cannot escape the echo chamber of many of the sites on the conservative side of the aisle--they are not fertile hunting ground for wild-eyed liberals. No, I must travel onto sites like this that are, and I shudder to admit this, more honest in their acceptance of dissenting opinions.

Thank you for the wonderful compliment. Now, scoot. I have liberals to smash. I have the right ideas to share so that unsuspecting moderates can be brought back from the abyss of liberalism.

*That is, if it's okay with the many self-appointed traffic cops that are starting to ruin old Drum's delightful blog.

brooksfoe Just the dunderheads in charge.
Sky-ho Dictionary.com
gaffe faux pas
"social error" old French

brooksfoe:

Thanks. Rebutting ex-liberal is like debugging spaghetti code. You go in there thinking all you need to do is edit one line -- and you wind up having to re-do the entire syntax, so by the time you're finished, you may as well have written a new program from scratch.

How do you rebut a guy who believes that Osama's directly equatable to Hitler?

Answer = you can't. It's almost enough to make one nostalgic for the notion of re-education camps.

Bob

The biggest cock-up in the middle east in the last 50 years was Jimmy Carter allowing the Shah to be replaced by the Mullahs.

Don't blame Carter for that. You have to go back to John Foster Dulles and the coup to overthrow Mossadegh, long before Carter. All because the Brits had to have their god-damned oil company back. A servant does not affront his lord and master so.

Don't play this blame Carter bullshit with me. I'm not clueless about the region.

As to "better off without Saddam" just how the fuck do you figure? He was contained by no-fly zones and a power vacuum in the country hadn't occured, resulting in at minimum a quarter-million additional deaths of Iraqi's. (Remember he was so bad for having killed 300K in 23 years? Piker.)

I'm afraid you will have to back up your assertions with me. Just throwing it out there isn't good enough.

ex-liberal:

Very clever of Jimmy Carter to have implanted that cancer in the Shah, just at the decisive political moment ...

Bob

ex-liberal:

Jimmy Carter extended a diplomatic courtesy to our ally in Iran by inviting him to the US for state-of-the-art cancer treatment. He did it as a gesture of *support* for the Shah -- and this is in large measure why the Iranian students went apeshit at America and occupied our embassy.

Carter may have fucked up in any number of ways -- but hardly by extending support to the Khomeneists.

Bob

I had a thought about the Shah, and how his situation was nobody's fault but his own despite what the hate America first and foremost crowd thinks, but then I remembered that I cannot post here without clearing it with the thought police.

Pretty please, may I make a point in this discussion? Do I need to have it approved by a rules committee before I submit it? Do I need to send a copy in triplicate to the Political Animal ruling Politburo for consideration? Do I need to tap twice on my special bell before speaking up or do I have to signal my intentions by waving my arm in the air? When I buzz in, should I be succinct or can I just ramble on like an blithering idiot, since that's what passes for commentary around here?

Can I be so privileged to post here? Pretty, pretty please with sugar on top? Can I be a part of your world, or must I remain cut off from the brilliance and the wisdom for all time?

And you wonder why these threads are unreadable. The two best things on them are me and the Chinese spam, you know. The rest of you are staggering along without a clue.

Enjoy the echo chamber, you fools.

Norman:

My, we're in an awful nihilistic mood today, aren't we.

You're reminding me of Patrick Bateman from American Psycho, sitting in his office in a petulant and peevish state of mind because he spent all morning listening to death metal on his personal stereo :)

Bob

State Department diplomat AND former cia interrogator. master of waterboarding, what's the fuck this guy doing there. strange days indeed.

Do I need to tap twice on my special bell before speaking up

No. Rapping twice on your special bell is the signal for the nurse to bring you more thorazine. To speak up, just raise your hand and Ms. Gonzales will call on you, as soon as the anger workshop member currently speaking is done.

brooksfoe:

You're on a roll today, bro :)

Bob

And you wonder why these threads are unreadable.

Ummm no, I don't wonder. Mission Accomplished, Normie.

The two best things on them are me and the Chinese spam, you know.

There's a difference?

The two best things on them are me and the Chinese spam, you know.

As with our President, he may just be right, but not in the way he means it. I think.

ckelly:

You get a feeling that his toilet seat is shaped like an elegantly-filigreed picture frame :)

Bob

Normie,

Marion Crane wants some room service in #1.

ckelly
Chinese spam is coherent thought in a different language. Incomprehensible.
There's a difference between spurious unsolicited comment and that which is volunteered drivel intended to disrupt.
You're right. It is confusing.

Paul - I didn't find the Pig War you referenced. I found a Serbian pork embargo in 1906 Austria.

Wonder how many "gaffes" are being articulated by Abramhoff as he sits at the FBI provided desk for four hours each day "chatting"? DC is starting to get the tremors, perhaps building into a "Don't blame it on Mame" moment.

Global - Google The Pig War - third item down is the Wikipedia article.

Must learn how to cut and paste, or whatever.

Just got rid of our 45 player - Bought a brand new 78 - Moving on up. Now to trade in our LaSalle.

All that commentary, nothing refuted. The subject is on "gaffes" and no one recalls what happened to any diplomat who dard contradict Clinton. No one dares bring up anything of the sort. Heavens, no! This is an echo chamber!

Yes, the echo chamber works well today.

How's this for a gaffe:

Why won't John Kerry won't surrender his nearly $9 million dollars in money from the 2004 campaign to the Dumbocrat Party? Is it because he needs it, being rich and all? Is it because he wants to see Dumbocrats lose so he can remain at the top of the food chain? Why won't he give it up? Oh, that's right--the likes of you would spend it on high-priced writers to come up with better insults for your uncle Norman.

Hating George W Bush isn't going to deliver the government to you, you know. And even if it did, how would you govern? No one has a clue how they would actually govern because the notion of working with George W Bush is anathema to you. Don't deny it! And yet, if you somehow seize the House or the Senate, and I do not believe you will, how are you going to like it when practical and sensible Dumbocrats (of which, there are about three) start working with the President to get things done? What screaming, unhinged insults will you hurl at your own when they "betray" you by governing responsibly?

Perish the thought! And hang on to that cash!

I think a 16% approval rating for congress and 68% of Americans saying they do not trust the president or the congress and stating flatly that the executive needs to be checked, and 58% openly opposing the war in Iraq are the things that will deliver the congress. Hating Bush is just a pastime at this point. Fun to do, but no longer necessary for cohesion.

Betcha that Grover knows a lot more about Alcibiades too.

I can understand apologizing for the bluntness, but I don't see anything wrong with saying what he did. We are often arogant and we have done stupid things (that's part of the nature of Government); nothing wrong with admitting that. It's kind of refreshing.

Norman:

Hillary and Kerry have both donated million-plus chunks of their campaign nuts to various candidates and committees and have throughout the cycle. All candidates in safe races are being encouraged to give it up; this is fairly routine among the fundraising committees in any given election cycle.

Bottom line is, our fundraising numbers are in and they're a pleasant surprise. Only because the targeting is *broadening* in the final weeks (which almost never happens; the historical trend is for races to narrow and Democratic targeting opportunities to decrease) do we have a lot more places where we could throw around some cash.

That's a stark opportunity nobody anticipated, which you're trying to spin as evidence of Democratic penury.

Well -- I mean -- duh :)

Bob

I neither believe in nor rely on any polls!
"What's that Karl, we have to fly to Bob Jones University immediately and then on to Dayton? Tomorrow we have to do how many states?"

Why won't John Kerry won't surrender his nearly $9 million dollars in money from the 2004 campaign to the Dumbocrat Party?

The real question is, why won't Linda Tripp tell us whether Monica admitted there was a dress on the tapes? What's that? Wrong decade? Oh. Ummm...Kerry is rich! No? Dean is squeaky? No? Hillary is a les...? Not working? Pelosi? Chardonnay? "Who cares?" Wait! Foley cyberschtupps boys!

Yes, I know he's on our side. But the other side doesn't have any good targets...!

The non-starter named rmck1 who is, in fact, a twit:

Bottom line is, our fundraising numbers are in and they're a pleasant surprise.

Bwah hah hah hah!

And that's why you're having to borrow money?

The fact of the matter is, old John and old Billary are sitting on millions while you have your hand out. In a party with discipline, those millions would already be slotted for media buys in key markets to put you over the top. You precisely missed the point, as usual: why didn't Kerry spend just one million dollars getting out the vote in Ohio? Would we even have to have this discussion? Bah!

If you're not going to win it all now, when are you going to win anything? This is your golden opportunity, and you're blowing it. And you wonder why I cannot contain myself. You're sitting there, complacent, letting these people have a pass. Meanwhile, the prospects for the Republican Party get better each and every day because you have members of your own party flush with millions and on the other hand you're running out of money.

Laugh if you want to, but it's all crashing down around you. The Dumbocrats peaked two and a half weeks too early.

I can hardly keep up with the goalposts, they are moving about so fast.

Here's my latest love letter from the Dumbocrat party--wonder what it says.

Oh, how timely! It's from Barack Osama I mean Obama.

Dear Norman Rogers Hates Dumbocrats,

I think it's safe to say that we've all had enough. Enough of the broken promises. Enough of the failed leadership. Enough of the can't-do, won't-do, won't-even-try style of governance.

Now is our time to make our mark on history. The Republicans have had their chance to lead -- and they have failed. We have had enough! It's time for a Democratic majority, and if all of us do not step up and do everything we can to take it, we will have only ourselves to blame.

My goal -- and your goal -- in these last weeks of the election is to make sure that the Democrats can compete financially with the Republicans' final onslaught of negative ads. My fellow Chicagoan, Rahm Emanuel, chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee (DCCC) told me that last week alone, the Republican counterpart, the National Republican Congressional Committee (NRCC) put in close to $10 million in negative attacks ads against Democratic House candidates. That is a staggering amount of money for our candidates to compete against.

And on and on--the bottom line being, why the need to beg for money via E-mail solicitation? Oh, that's right--you're broke. One E-mail to John Kerry and one to Billary and you would have millions to counter the effective issue-oriented ads put out by the Republicans, but because you cannot play the game, you stand to lose.

Bwah hah hah hah hah!

Hey, Dumbocrats! How do you feel knowing that you are donating five or ten hard-earned dollars to try to make a difference while Kerry and Billary have over TWENTY MILLION DOLLARS sitting in the bank, doing nothing?

Do you feel...cheated?

All those churches raised all that money through "love offerings' for the GOP only to be dismissed as "Nuts" and "Wackos" by the people they put in power, and they watched funding for their "Faith Based Initiatives" actualy decrease. Meanwhile the private jets of the "Pioneers" were gleeming in the sun on the runway in Austin, and the lords of carbobased energy were all gearing up for a big laugh at your expense.

Feeling...Cheated?

I can understand apologizing for the bluntness, but I don't see anything wrong with saying what he did. We are often arogant and we have done stupid things (that's part of the nature of Government); nothing wrong with admitting that. It's kind of refreshing.

Posted by: aaron on October 23, 2006

Aaron,

You are either with the president or you are against the president. If you are against the president he can declare you an enemy combatant and make you disappear. In this case both the diplomat and you have made comments that demonstrate a willingness to acknowledge truth. Since truth (as opposed to truthiness) is administration's enemy, both of you are subject to a visit to the ministry of love.

Isn't it obvious, the president and his advisors don't think in terms of truth or falsity. Perception is all that matters.

Norman:

If we peaked early -- why does the Democratic targeting list keep expanding?

Norman, you don't have a single fact at your disposal -- that's why your *best shot* here is to try to stir resentment between rank-and-filers and Hillary and Kerry -- as if we would somehow *expect* presidential hopefuls to financially disarm themselves. Hillary and Kerry have been fundraising nonstop for the party -- everybody knows this.

That's why you're not stirring resentment among Democrats who aren't naturally sympathetic to either Hillary or Kerry to begin with.

Only an idiot who knows jack about politics would fall for such a transparent ploy. It's like taking Karl Rove's recent bluster at face value.

Keep your game face on, Norman. We wouldn't expect you to do otherwise.

But just don't suffer the delusion that you're *fooling* anybody with it.

Bob

Hormonal Citizen:

All those churches raised all that money through "love offerings' for the GOP only to be dismissed as "Nuts" and "Wackos" by the people they put in power, and they watched funding for their "Faith Based Initiatives" actualy decrease. Meanwhile the private jets of the "Pioneers" were gleeming in the sun on the runway in Austin, and the lords of carbobased energy were all gearing up for a big laugh at your expense.

How erudite. You'd stand out from the crowd if you weren't so shrill.

But you forgot the best part: in America, there's a sucker born every minute! Bwah hah hah hah hah hah hah!

How much do you want to bet that we find a new sucker before 2008 and raise cash on the