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October 25, 2006
By: Kevin Drum

QUOTE OF THE DAY....ABC News political director Mark Halperin on Bill O'Reilly's show last night:

As an economic model, if you want to thrive like Fox News Channel, you want to have a future, you better make sure conservatives find your product appealing.

Noted without comment.

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God forbid you should, you know, innovate or anything. It's so much easier just to copy what everyone else is doing.

I keep hoping one of these idiots finally figures out that being the anti-Fox is much more likely to succeed than being the min-Fox. The conservatives already HAVE their own network, why would they switch to your pale imitation?

Posted by: Jeff on October 25, 2006 at 2:20 PM | PERMALINK

MARK HALPERIN, POLITICAL DIRECTOR, ABC NEWS: Well, Bill, as you know in this country, weve got these old news organizations. The major networks, ABC, where you used to work, The New York Times, The Washington Post.

These organizations have been around a long time. And for 40 years, conservatives have looked with suspicion at them. I think weve got a chance in these last two weeks to prove to conservatives that we understand their grievances. Were going to try to do better, but these organizations still have incredible sway. And conservatives are certain that were going to be out to get them. Weve got to fix that.

Posted by: Al's Mommy on October 25, 2006 at 2:20 PM | PERMALINK

As an economic model, if you want to thrive like Fox News Channel, you want to have a future, you better make sure conservatives find your product appealing.

Great to see ABC News finally admit the mainstream media is liberally biased. That's why Air America is going bankrupt and Fox News is surging in the ratings. MSNBC better dump Olbermann, and Comedy Central better shut down Colbert and Stewart, or they will will be forced to close down too due to low ratings.

More good stuff from Halperin in the expose by Newsbusters.

Link

"in this country, we've got these old news organizations, the major networks, ABC, where you used to work, the New York Times, the Washington Post. These organizations have been around a long time, and for 40 years conservatives have looked with suspicion at them. I think we've got a chance in these last two weeks to prove to conservatives that we understand their grievances, we're going to try to do better, but these organizations still have incredible sway, and conservatives are certain that we're going to be out to get them. We've got to fix that."

Posted by: Al on October 25, 2006 at 2:21 PM | PERMALINK

Damn liberal media!

Posted by: Disputo on October 25, 2006 at 2:21 PM | PERMALINK

The Republican Noise Machine: It's all about pushing out the product. The more flagrant and sensational, the better.

Posted by: jj on October 25, 2006 at 2:21 PM | PERMALINK

Yeah, just as FOX and Murdock start seeing the political pendulum start swing in the opposite direction.

You should check out the new DNC ad over at Talking Points Memo.

Now is the time for Dems to ask Bush and Republcians to stop politicizing the war and throw Bush's cheap, loose take about not caring about poll numbers in Bushs smirking face - why did Bush flip-flop on his war? Do nearly 3000 deaths not have any meaning to Bush, other than to used as so much political toilet paper?

This ad shows that the Bushies have been really quite the LIARS.

Posted by: Cheryl on October 25, 2006 at 2:23 PM | PERMALINK

Fox's ascendent market share, and the other networks' attempt to replicate Fox's model, explains a lot about why newspapers and tv networks didn't much question the obvious bullshit in Bush's assertions on Iraq's WMDs and Saddam's "compliance".

And we got a war, and a population ignorant of basic facts, to show for it. A capitalist, for-profit media and the media's role as watchdog of democracy are often incompatible. What's easier to sell, McDonald's french fries or steamed asparagus? Which is better for you?

What we have is McNews. Telling the audience they are right and good, and others (other countries or ethnicities) are wrong, is a easy sell.

Posted by: luci on October 25, 2006 at 2:23 PM | PERMALINK

Clearly, the media is learning that the only people worth talking to are we conservatives! You baby butcherers and corpse fornicators don't deserve to spread your filth!

Posted by: Al's Mommy on October 25, 2006 at 2:24 PM | PERMALINK

Conservatives have actual jobs. Liberals are un- or underemployed and try to leach money from the most productive citizens. This has many facets-- punitive taxation, welfare, unions-- but the bottom line is that the real innovators in society are conservatives. The iPod is a very conservative product, for instance; it was created by a giant corporation using capital. It's manufactured overseas, and sold with pure profit in mind.

If liberals made the ipod, it would be $10,000, mostly due to 'labor costs', and nobody would have bought one.

Posted by: American Hawk on October 25, 2006 at 2:24 PM | PERMALINK

Seriously, the TV news folks do have a growing dilemma on their hands. Liberals prefer interactive media, and are flocking away from TV to the inet, whereas conservatives prefer to be spoon fed their info, and so prefer the boob tube. So the choice for TV news execs is to either 1) rewrite their biz models to incorporate Web 2.0, or 2) chase after the conservadrones.

Posted by: Disputo on October 25, 2006 at 2:28 PM | PERMALINK

great fake AH

Posted by: Disputo on October 25, 2006 at 2:29 PM | PERMALINK

First, iirc, Apple Inc. has a very progressive record as an employer. It extends employee benefits to same sex partners of it workers, a fairly liberal idea. So once again, Am Hawk shows just how full of crap he/she/it is.

Posted by: Keith G on October 25, 2006 at 2:31 PM | PERMALINK
If liberals made the ipod, it would be $10,000, mostly due to 'labor costs', and nobody would have bought one.

Yeah, good thing liberals like that Jobs, Steve P guy had nothing to do with the iPod, otherwise it would suck.

Posted by: cmdicely on October 25, 2006 at 2:33 PM | PERMALINK

I guess that explains why the CBS News with Katie Couric decided they needed to throw Hannity a bone and have him appear in their erroneously named "Free Speech" segment. You know, 'cause otherwise how would he ever have a chance to be heard.

Posted by: bryrock on October 25, 2006 at 2:34 PM | PERMALINK

William Randolph Hearst should have been born a century later, apparently.

Posted by: Global Citizen on October 25, 2006 at 2:34 PM | PERMALINK

Conservatives have actual jobs. Liberals are un- or underemployed and try to leach money from the most productive citizens.

That's a pretty broad brush to be painting with, asshole.

It kinda smacks of the Missouri Speaker of the House Rod Jetton a few weeks ago at a mid-day campaign rally in Platte County: "Thanks for coming out. It's hard for you guys. It's easier for Democrats because they don't have jobs."

He forgot to tell the assembled faithful that he and his wife and child were on welfare for five fucking years and then he went into politics, so he has been bleeding this liberal for his livlihood for 20 fucking years. I want my god-damned money back.

Posted by: Global Citizen on October 25, 2006 at 2:39 PM | PERMALINK
Seriously, the TV news folks do have a growing dilemma on their hands. Liberals prefer interactive media,

I'm not sure that's as true as "liberals prefer useful media"; TV news has always been the absolute worse source of useful news information (watching more actually, in most studies I've seen even before the Fox News phenomenon, makes people measurably less informed about current events!), as more media sources become available to the average consumer, its understandable that users that are concerned with actually getting an understanding of the news would move more and more away from TV, while those less concerned would stay with TV. So, no doubt, the TV news audience is moving right compared to the nation: and the rightward shift in TV news coverage probably creates a positive feedback effect that accelerates that shift.

Posted by: cmdicely on October 25, 2006 at 2:42 PM | PERMALINK

Second, Halprick is showing a certain lack of economic intelligence. As Jeff pointed out in the first post, its hardly a great economic choice to be a follower, particularly in a niche that is already well served.

So Halpricks's observation is just mindless blather.

Posted by: Keith G on October 25, 2006 at 2:44 PM | PERMALINK

It's more than a broad brush; it is factually incorrect. AH's argument is a racist one. The white unemployed vote preferentially GOP.

Posted by: Disputo on October 25, 2006 at 2:44 PM | PERMALINK

Having had the same conservatives who praise Fox for being conservative when they thought I was a conservative turn around and try to argue later that Fox is not conservative, I'm not shocked. I don't think I've met a conservative who isn't a hypocritical liar in quite some time.

Also, in the above link to "Newsbusters" (more conservative doublespeak) I find this:
In a followup to an Oct. 19 internet posting in which he sarcastically implied that reporters take their cues from Democrats and liberal activists, Halperin stated that the press should use the 2006 elections as an opportunity to regain the public trust

Ever notice how often conservatives word things to make it clear thay don't consider you as being American unless you're one of them? I mena, if you have to regain the public trust by slanting news towards conservatives, doesn't that mean they're the only ones who count?

Posted by: Mike B. on October 25, 2006 at 2:45 PM | PERMALINK

And right after Halperin acknowledged how reporters refused to allow facts to change their stories about Gore. I'm guessing that what we're seeing is a timid schmuck careerist trying to scootch as much butter for his bread from every possible source he can.

Posted by: Jeffrey Davis on October 25, 2006 at 2:48 PM | PERMALINK

I'm guessing that what we're seeing is a timid schmuck careerist trying to scootch as much butter for his bread from every possible source he can.

Isn't that the job description for every exec job in the country?

Posted by: Disputo on October 25, 2006 at 2:50 PM | PERMALINK
As an economic model...you better make sure conservatives find your product appealing.

So that explains that gawdawful Path to 9/11...Halperin basically admits that programming content at ABC is slanted to appeal to a conservative audience...

Posted by: grape_crush on October 25, 2006 at 2:53 PM | PERMALINK

Helperin believes there are two distinctly separate species of human living on planet earth, liberal and conservative. Sort of takes us back to civil rights era, doesn't it.

Sounds like Hitlers theory that Jewish were sub-human. does Helperin think it time to cleanse the US of the sub-level liberal blood?

Too bad that Mr. Mark Helperin never heard that news was suppose to strive NOT to be slanted for entertainment purposes but to deal in truths and facts rather then human biased opinion.

What the f*ck is wrong with the major news networks these days that ABC wants to be JUST LIKE FAUX News? If ABC board members are smart, they should think about firing Helperin before he pulls a embarrassing Judith Miller act. If another attorney like Patrick Fitzgerald wants to throw Helperin in prison, I would suggest ABC just let Helperin rot there, for he was never a real journlist anyway, thinking that slanting news to the taste of a certain political party was the corporate money making way to go.

This is why shield laws are a bad idea, because there are far too many Helperins willing to sell the straight up truth for political biased opinion.

Posted by: Cheryl on October 25, 2006 at 2:56 PM | PERMALINK

Coupon clipping is hard work! Don't you understand that? Paris Hilton has carpel tunnel syndrome from signing all those dividend checks.

Really, sometimes I think people who hold two jobs just to pay for the health insurance they don't get at either of them don't understand how HARD it is to inherit wealth.

Hard, hard work.

Posted by: Cal Gal on October 25, 2006 at 2:57 PM | PERMALINK

thomsen,

wealthy jewish donors?

Posted by: mencken on October 25, 2006 at 3:05 PM | PERMALINK

Al wrote: "Great to see ABC News finally admit the mainstream media is liberally biased. That's why Air America is going bankrupt and Fox News is surging in the ratings."

I think both you and Kevin have misread what Halperin was talking about. The reason Air America is going bakrupt is there is little demand for it. The reason there is little demand for it is the multitude of other outlets the liberal consumer can turn to. Fox News is surging because it was the first major media outlet to recognize that marginalizing 50% of the listening population made little sense.

Making sure "conservatives find your product appealing" does not have to mean acting as a shill for the GOP. But it does mean no longer acting as a shill for the Dems. I for one am not looking for the Washington Post to read like the Weekly Standard, I just don't want it to read like a DNC press release.

Posted by: Hacksaw on October 25, 2006 at 3:06 PM | PERMALINK

great fake AH

Was it fake? Honestly, who can tell anymore?

Posted by: craigie on October 25, 2006 at 3:06 PM | PERMALINK

Making sure "conservatives find your product appealing" does not have to mean acting as a shill for the GOP.

It's just a sheer coincidence that it turns out that way.

Posted by: Gregory on October 25, 2006 at 3:09 PM | PERMALINK

The reason Air America is going bakrupt is there is little demand for it.

Seriously, predictably, and quite ironically, the reason AAR is in bankruptcy is because of mismanagement by, well, its conservative management team.

Posted by: Disputo on October 25, 2006 at 3:10 PM | PERMALINK

Funny how a guy like Helperin, the political director of ABC News, for godsakes, makes comments like this while dissing the SCLM. The hypocrisy would be enough to make any normal human being cringe but he doesn't even seem to understand the irony of the situation.

I am not a particularly big fan of sci-fi, but I do think the simplest explanation is that he (and so many other right-wingers in the media) are cyborgs sent to visit our dear planet by some alien civilization that has programmed them to recite endless and nonsensical right-wing talking points. Halpern may vaguely look like a human, but underneath we know he's cold hard steel and twisted wires.

Posted by: JJF on October 25, 2006 at 3:15 PM | PERMALINK

If liberals made the ipod, it would be $10,000, mostly due to 'labor costs', and nobody would have bought one.

Doubtful since liberals did make the IPOD.

Or is that the bait?

Posted by: Jeffrey Davis on October 25, 2006 at 3:17 PM | PERMALINK

The man's point is obvious. The days are over when the liberal media, CBS as for example, can put on a phony story like the Bush National Guard story, and get away with it. They did for years before conservatives became a force to be reckoned with. The decline of newspapers and of the major networks is owed mainly to their pandering to one point of view- the liberal one. Russert, Stephanopolous, Mike Wallace, Rather, all follow the party line and cover their stories to suit the liberals they associate with. The not so gradual loss of conservative readers and viewers has cost them plenty.

Posted by: m on October 25, 2006 at 3:20 PM | PERMALINK

Where is this liberal media? Under the desk? Behind the planter? Hiding with the WMD's?

Posted by: Global Citizen on October 25, 2006 at 3:23 PM | PERMALINK

Halperin's brain. "Lets see, we have a sharply polarized population. In the best (worst) years 52% vote republican 48% vote democrat. Most of the time the split is about 50/50. Hummmmm? I know, all media has to adopt the model that caters exclusively to the Republicans."

Excuse me, what is wrong with this picture?

Duh, there is a giant market share that is going unserved.

Of course, Hollywood/media types like Halperin are herd animals. It is into their genetic structure. It is why there are so darn many reality shows, or why sitcoms and cowboy shows come in bunchs.

Too bad there is no corporate governance in this country. Shareholders might be pissed to learn that a giant market (for all practical purposes 1/2 of the market) is to be ignored because we just have to chase after the share Fox has already cornered.

Posted by: Ron Byers on October 25, 2006 at 3:25 PM | PERMALINK

Post corrected:

"The man's point is obvious. The days are over when the radical right-wing media, FOX as for example, can put on a phony story like the Kerry Swift Boat story, and get away with it. They did for years before liberals and moderates became a force to be reckoned with. The decline of newspapers and of the major networks is owed mainly to their pandering to one point of view- the right-wing one. O'Reilly, Hannity, chris Wallace, Brit Hume, all follow the party line and cover their stories to suit the right-wingers they associate with. The not so gradual loss of liberal readers and viewers will cost them plenty."

Thanks,

Mike

Posted by: lord_mike on October 25, 2006 at 3:29 PM | PERMALINK

Conservatives have actual jobs. Liberals are un- or underemployed and try to leach money from the most productive citizens.

If this is true then 48% of the country is unemployed or unederemployed. You probably shouldn't be bragging about those economic numbers.

In my experience, the more you earn, the less you work. The higher you rise up the corporate ladder, the less you do. The ones who do the most work... the ones most productive are the least paid. Let's not forget the "trust fund babies" that conservatives love so much--they do nothing at all!!!!

Thanks,

Mike

Posted by: lord_mike on October 25, 2006 at 3:33 PM | PERMALINK

If CNN decided tomorrow to become the voice for progressives... deriding and demeaning the religious right and rural whites [on behalf of their wealthy JEwish donors] ... .Posted by: thomsen

CNN survives because of "wealthy JEwish donors"? Who knew? I always thought that CNN was like a, . . . a company that earned revenue through commercial advertising and cable subscriber fees.

http://www.journalism.org/node/719

(BTW, is a JEw different from a Jew?)

How about CNN just go back to being what it was when Ted Turner started the channel - a decent if not perfect world-wide news service? Who gives a rat's ass what FOX or ABC for that matter do. They're both shit. The only way to compete with shit, it seems to me, is to be shitier yet.

Posted by: JeffII on October 25, 2006 at 3:46 PM | PERMALINK

Is it Nam yet?

Google news site:

US troops on active duty call for Iraq withdrawal
Reuters AlertNet - 1 hour ago
WASHINGTON, Oct 25 (Reuters) - More than 200 active duty US armed service members, fed up with the war in Iraq, have joined an unusual protest calling for withdrawal of US troops from the country, organizers said on Wednesday.

I guess that Bushies all volunteer army is getting tired of little Bushies back door draft and are not wanting to end up as one of those nearly 3000 hidden, flag draped coffins coming home from Iraq.

Or maybe they are just tired of being Kessinger/Kagan's excuse for not dying in order to keep from embarrassing the US and making the Bushies look stupid with that "stay the course" policy in Iraq.

Posted by: Cheryl on October 25, 2006 at 3:48 PM | PERMALINK

What fucking rock did the anti-semites crawl out from beneath? I wish they would slither back under it, wherever it is.

If I had a time machine I would gladly transport every last one of them back to Berlin, Circa 1936.

Posted by: Global Citizen on October 25, 2006 at 3:54 PM | PERMALINK

Al on October 25, 2006 at 2:21 PM:

That's why Air America is going bankrupt...

For the first few years of its existence, Fox News lost millions...in its first five years, according to Brit Hume, "This operation loses money. It doesn't lose nearly as much as it did at first, and it's -- well, it's hit all its projections in terms of, you know, turning a profit, but it's - it will lose money now, and we expect for a couple more years...I think it's losing about $80 million to $90 million a year. Even for Rupert Murdoch, that's not pocket change."

Without Murdoch's deep pockets, FNC would have been gone loooong ago...

FNC's ratings tend to spike around events, and have fewer unique viewers than CNN...And they've experienced a substantial ratings drop over last year, but they'll spike again around elections...

Posted by: grape_crush on October 25, 2006 at 3:55 PM | PERMALINK

I've never really watched much commercial TV, simply because I can't stand the commercials. I suspect a lot of other people of liberal inclination feel the same way. It doesn't surprise me that the audience for mainstream commercial TV is increasingly conservative. This is the similar to the reason talk radio is dominated by right wingers; most liberals are doing something more interesting than driving around listening to dumb radio shows.

Posted by: Virginia Dutch on October 25, 2006 at 4:01 PM | PERMALINK

Virginia Dutch - I started to use your initials then thought better of it.

I've had HBO since I was ten and discovered NPR at 15. I have no patience for any commercial media.

Posted by: Global Citizen on October 25, 2006 at 4:05 PM | PERMALINK

This explains ABC showing "Unfairenheit 9/11: the fantasy" they've decided that FOX has the "money" model.

Posted by: POD on October 25, 2006 at 4:06 PM | PERMALINK

Sure, if you like the pavlovian sucker market which has such appeal to corporate borg-room

Posted by: cld on October 25, 2006 at 4:08 PM | PERMALINK

Well that explains the Note doesn't it?

Posted by: ET on October 25, 2006 at 4:13 PM | PERMALINK

If I am conservative, I might also be selfish.

If I am liberal, I may understand what altruism is.

Hearing and seeing what we expect to see is
a conservative way of functioning.

Being liberated by truth is another way.

Truth isn't something to fudge or dim.

In a sense, liberals may actually be a higher form of human, capable of grappling with the truth that they see around them, rather than pulling
a Fauxian shade across their consciousness.


Posted by: Tom Nicholson on October 25, 2006 at 4:16 PM | PERMALINK

Mmmmmmmmmmmmm. Infotainment.

Posted by: Homer S. on October 25, 2006 at 4:25 PM | PERMALINK

"If I had a time machine I would gladly transport every last one of them back to the Eastern Front in Finland, circa 1944."

Fixed that for ya, GC.

Posted by: GOPNemesis on October 25, 2006 at 4:30 PM | PERMALINK

So Halperin finally acknowledges what I've known all along. Not that the news has a liberal bias (it doesn't), but that news coverage is driven by economics.

TV news is first, foremost, and only a business. What's true, what's important, what's needs to be reported is secondary to the mix of information and entertainment that will attract the most viewers and produce the most revenue. Period.

So if the facts are biased against Conservatives (they are, at the moment), to hell with the facts because reporting them will drive away viewers. So they balance facts with truthiness and infotainment, and hope to reap the largest audience.

Anyone who thinks they're being informed by TV news isn't watching closely.

Posted by: Greg VA on October 25, 2006 at 4:43 PM | PERMALINK

Thanks GOPNemisis.

Even better.

Posted by: Global Citizen on October 25, 2006 at 4:44 PM | PERMALINK

Seriously, where did this bitch Claire and her sock-puppet bob come from? Who are these mouth-breathing troglodites shitting all ovetr the threads and spewing their own special brand of paranoia and hatred?

Posted by: Global Citizen on October 25, 2006 at 4:46 PM | PERMALINK

Virginia Dutch,

Yes, they are doing something other than "driving around listening to dumb radio shows". The question is, what?:~)

Posted by: Yancey Ward on October 25, 2006 at 4:47 PM | PERMALINK

...most liberals are doing something more interesting than driving around listening to dumb radio shows.

Now you tell us!

Posted by: Air America on October 25, 2006 at 4:50 PM | PERMALINK

"If I had a time machine I would gladly transport every last one of them back to the Eastern Front in Finland, circa 1944."

My grandfather commanded a regiment of Finnish troops on that front in 1942. Carried a giant slashing scar across his stomach as a souvenir until the day he died. I doubt our current crop of chickenhawks would have lasted more than five minutes there.

Posted by: Stefan on October 25, 2006 at 4:50 PM | PERMALINK

The 101st Fighting Keyboarders wouldn't last five minutes in a bar fight.

They would, however, go back to the frat-house and get a bunch of co-horts, get all likkered up, and jump the guy who shamed them in the parking lot. From behind, of course.

Posted by: Global Citizen on October 25, 2006 at 4:54 PM | PERMALINK

"the reason Air America is going bakrupt is there is little demand for it. The reason there is little demand for it is the multitude of other outlets the liberal consumer can turn to. Fox News is surging because it was the first major media outlet to recognize that marginalizing 50% of the listening population made little sense."

All those liberal outlets on the radio? NPR, maybe. But when I spin the dial during the commute, all I hear is right-wingers ranting.

The reason right-wing ranters succeed is because there's a lot of people out there who like to listen to people rant on the radio. Liberals don't rant on the radio, and they don't like to listen to people ranting on the radio. It's not like this is some sort of "marketplace of ideas."

Besides, who says that having a bigger audience proves anything? The average Harlequin romance far outsells Proust or Faulkner. Hillary Duff sells millions more CDs than Kiri Te Kanawa. I could make a case that the big numbers for Fox, Rush, Savage, et al, just prove that they are a bunch of lowbrows pitching to the lowest common denominator.

Posted by: wally on October 25, 2006 at 5:01 PM | PERMALINK

The average Harlequin romance far outsells Proust or Faulkner

I went to high-school with Janet Dailey's niece. She used to come and give "writing workshops" once a year. One year I tried to read some of her drivel before the "Big Day" arrived.

The only question I could think of to ask her if she felt guilty about her adverb-abuse as she had personally used up 3/4 of the worlds supply.

She was not amused. My honors English teacher (Shout out to Mr. Ramthun!) laughed his ass off.

Posted by: Global Citizen on October 25, 2006 at 5:07 PM | PERMALINK

Bush sez...:

Bush Says He's Concerned About Iraq
ABC News - 5 hours ago
President Bush speaks during a news conference in the East Room of the White House in Washington, Wednesday, Oct. 25, 2006. (AP Photo/Ron Edmonds).

Little re-active Bushie is concerned, but only NOW seeing as how the mid-term elections are only two weeks away.

How Katrina of him and 9/11 of him.

Posted by: Cheryl on October 25, 2006 at 5:13 PM | PERMALINK
All those liberal outlets on the radio?

Actually, quite a few have sprung up since AAR; even Sacramento, not quite a giant media market or hotbed of liberalism, has for quite some time now had a liberal talk radio station that arose after the local AAR station opened up that competes with the AAR station.

AAR, whatever ends up happening to it, has been a catalyst for liberal media, particularly talk radio; whether it succeeds itself as a liberal outlet is somewhat beside the point. If it dies entirely, it certainly won't be because there was no demand for liberal talk radio, it will because once it revealed the demand, it failed to compete effectively with others in meeting it.

Posted by: cmdicely on October 25, 2006 at 5:24 PM | PERMALINK

Little Bushie sez...:

Bush Offers Sobering Assessment of Iraq War
New York Times - 1 hour ago
By DAVID STOUT and CHRISTINE HAUSER. WASHINGTON, Oct. 25 - President Bush offered a sobering assessment of the war in Iraq today, acknowledging his concerns about the campaign but reaffirming his determination ...

Where is the headline that says the obvious, Bush lost the war in Iraq Bush declares victory and tells troops to get out, leaving a couple of billion dollar military bases and billion dollar US embassy and billions, and billions of Western Oil Contractors to fend for self.

Posted by: Cheryl on October 25, 2006 at 5:30 PM | PERMALINK


KEVIN DRUM: Noted without comment.

Right. Because you wouldn't want to go on record criticizing someone from whom you might someday be seeking employment.

Which explains why Halperin is the way he is also.

Which explains all of the Republican Party, most of the Democratic Party, and why we've drifted into fascism.

Selfishness.


Posted by: jayarbee on October 25, 2006 at 5:49 PM | PERMALINK

Anna Politkovskaya woulda commented I bet.

Posted by: Global Citizen on October 25, 2006 at 5:59 PM | PERMALINK

"All of them are trying to copy FOX News now to be honest. There's only so much of that trailer trash pie to go around."

- Cal Thomas FOX News Watch 6/17/06

Posted by: mr. irony on October 25, 2006 at 6:26 PM | PERMALINK


al: Great to see ABC News finally admit the mainstream media is liberally biased.

"Don't believe the right-wing ideologues when they tell you the left still controls the media agenda. It does not any longer. It's a fact."

- Bill O'Reilly 7/26/05

Posted by: mr. irony on October 25, 2006 at 6:28 PM | PERMALINK


GLOBAL CITIZEN: Anna Politkovskaya woulda commented I bet.

Right. Because she simply refused to put herself in a position where she would be unable to look at herself in a mirror.

Which explains Edward R. Murrow.

Which explains Noam Chomsky, Stephen Colbert, and Keith Olberman.

Courage.


Posted by: jayarbee on October 25, 2006 at 6:29 PM | PERMALINK

ABC News created a late night news program in 1979 just to count off the days some US spies were being held in Iran. ABC News created this news program in order to screw the Carter presidency and help elect the Republican candidate. I am not surprised ABC News understands the business model of Fox News.

Posted by: Hostile on October 25, 2006 at 7:14 PM | PERMALINK


Conservatives have actual jobs. American Hawk

Naturally this explains why you have the time to post endlessly. As a true conservative someone else is doing your work. You just have the job.

Posted by: horatio on October 25, 2006 at 7:53 PM | PERMALINK

Let's hope that ABC gets their wish and ends up with ratings like FOX. They deserve to drop from 6 million viewers to 2 million. It would be better if they all migrated from FOX.

Here in CNY ABC refused to run ads critical of Republican James Walsh. They will let Walsh pimp his daughter in desperation ads. The family values party strikes again.

Posted by: willowy1 on October 25, 2006 at 7:54 PM | PERMALINK

Wouldn't it have been easier for this drooling TV vegetable to just say "Kill the niggers"?

Posted by: Pechorin on October 25, 2006 at 8:03 PM | PERMALINK

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Posted by: mmf铃声 on October 25, 2006 at 8:59 PM | PERMALINK

"Edward R Murrow"

Thanks for mentioning a true news person.

Just can't quite remember Murrow interviewing any standing president by saying:

"Well, sir, I have written this new book. It's all about secular humanism and blah, blah, blah.
Have you read it? You really would like it - May I mention the name of the book again and again and again? May I send you a copy? Would you please plug it? Oh, and by the way, have I ever really told you about ME? Well, I'm slightly less popular than you, sir, but, see it all began on a dark and wintry night......."

Posted by: thethirdPaul on October 25, 2006 at 9:38 PM | PERMALINK

If Mark is who I think he is, he could be forgiven for expressing what must have been made clear to him earlier. The Halpern I am thinking about got his tit in a wringer during the Kerry election (I believe, it could have been Gore). He told his news team that balance did not mean giving equal respect to clearly fatuous ideas such as Bush and Rove were planting with the press. Can anybody else remember this, maybe more clearly?

Posted by: frank logan on October 25, 2006 at 11:11 PM | PERMALINK

A little primer on FOX News for ya!

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Monsanto_and_Fox:_Partners_in_Censorship

Posted by: Hmmm on October 25, 2006 at 11:57 PM | PERMALINK

I wonder how many people read the Note...

In one sense Halperin is right. Whether or not the old broadcast news programs have or ever had a liberal bias is an open question (if you're a rational person), but that audience is growing older, and there is absolutely question about the future of broadcast news. As it stands, the only growth sector over the last decade has been conservative cable news programming (and then really only Fox; MSNBC is a box of shame [which raises an interesting question: why would right-wing shout show junkies bother to change the channel for an hour-long traditional news broadcast with a right-wing slant]). On the other hand, even Fox's audience trends toward middle age and older. And most of the giants of conservative broadcast media are middle age or older; the younger ones are pretty cartoonish.

But so far the left has not figured out how to do cable news (unless Comedy Central counts). Maybe they will. Maybe they won't. Maybe the dailykos will evolve into a part-broadcast organ. Maybe little will change at all.

Posted by: Linus on October 26, 2006 at 12:59 AM | PERMALINK

The traditional students in my classrooms all get their news from The Daily Show and the internet, and they do not pretend otherwise.

Posted by: Global Citizen on October 26, 2006 at 1:45 AM | PERMALINK

"The decline of newspapers and of the major networks is owed mainly to their pandering to one point of view- the liberal one." This is absolutely correct.
This point of view was also sometimes called news, or truth and in certain cases reality.

Posted by: conswervative on October 26, 2006 at 3:38 AM | PERMALINK

Gawd, am I ROFLing now! Since when does a lifelong MSM political journalist know a go*#amn thing about business models??! That makes me roll fer sure, especially considering how MSM discovered the Internet, like, what was it, last week?!

What a TOTAL ho you is, Mark Halperin. Shame on you.

Watch more TrueGritz for some serious ho action:
www.truegritz.com

Posted by: Pauline on October 26, 2006 at 8:37 AM | PERMALINK

What's ABC News?? Haven't watched them or any other corporate media outlet for 7 or 8 years now...

These networks are interested in paying less taxes and want to keep the FCC happy - they aren't interested in reporting all the facts. Hence they aren't journalists. Hence I don't waste my time watching them (or the commercials running on them).

Posted by: Brian on October 26, 2006 at 9:43 AM | PERMALINK




 

 

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