Frist?

Yes, let's look at her agenda, removing the liberal media spin.

Put new rules in place to break the link between lobbyists and legislation.

Prevent concerned citizens from addressing their concerns to lawmakers.

Enact all the recommendations made by the 9/11 commission.

Enact the dubious recommendations of a partisan liberal think tank.

• Raise the federal minimum wage to $7.25 an hour.

Rob from those that provide jobs, give to those too lazy to finish high school.

• Cut the interest rate on federally supported student loans in half.

Subsidize the next generation's elite (those getting college degrees) at the expense of those who don't go to college.

Allow the government to negotiate directly with pharmaceutical companies for lower drug prices for Medicare patients.

Make it so drug companies can't make money, reducing incentives to make discoveries that will heal millions.

Broaden the types of stem cell research allowed with federal funds.

Use federal money to kill babies.

Impose pay-as-you-go budget rules, requiring that new entitlement spending or tax cuts be offset with entitlement spending cuts or tax hikes.

Prevent citizens from getting the help they need, unless we also tax them to death.

I notice there's no mention of the so-called death tax, wherein the federal government robs graves. Perhaps the democrat party is catching on that Americans don't like graverobbers.

Pelosi is a divider, not a uniter. That is obvious to anyone who follows public affairs.

Fortunately she will never become house leader, becaouse the GOP is going to retain its majority.

Yeah -- dreadful bit of reporting.

You have to wonder why her editors didn't flag that piece and ask her to substantiate her claims.

I wonder what percentage of the adult public could even identify Nancy Pelosi? Maybe a bit lower than the percentage that can find Iraq on a map.

Al is write, as always. Bush, Hastert, Delay, and Bill ("Dems want to surrender to the terrorists!") Frist are the real bipartisan patriots!!

Hawk, are you sure you aren't Al's long-lost brother? You are so wise, equating 15-cell blastocysts with Babies, and ending more deficit borrowing from China with preventing citizens from getting help! Oh, how people suffered under Clinton's surpluses!!

Al is write, as always. Bush, Hastert, Delay, and Bill ("Dems want to surrender to the terrorists!") Frist are the real bipartisan patriots!!

I'm serious you fucking bitch. Get the fuck back in the kitchen!! There will not be a third warning, only the back of my hand.

Speaking of "Al", can anyone create a compilation of Al's dumbest hits? The latest will be especially memorable after Nov 7.

From the article:

Ms. Pelosi ate nothing and even in casual conversation seemed to be reading from a script. One woman complained to her about Republican advertisements. ''The Republicans are unconcerned about money, truth or decency,'' Ms. Pelosi said, staring into the woman's eyes while delivering one of her standard speech lines.

My God, a politician actually doing her job by getting her message out! Can nothing stop this monster?!?!

Her voting record is among the most liberal in Congress. She gets an ''A'' from the National Abortion and Reproductive Rights Action League and an ''F'' from the National Rifle Association. She favors alternative sentencing over prison construction, schools without prayer and death with taxes. She voted against the use of force in Iraq, though after the war started she voted to finance it.

As Somerby points out, the above lines about "schools without prayer" and "death with taxes" are nothing more than scripted (there's that word again) Republican spin, virtually word for word from a GOP propaganda pamphlet. On wonders how much Steinhauer got paid for this article....

Yeah, I watched the 60 Minutes piece and I, too, thought it was not particularly flattering. It was more like, "OMG, this woman is so agressive, who does this woman think she is, does she know she's a woman, blah, blah, blah." If she was a man, they'd be praising Pelosi for being a bold leader.

I was once hopeful that with Couric on board (yeah, i know i'm the only one) that maybe CBS would take a risk, stick their neck out, and really do some honest to God fair and balanced reporting.

Eh, and what has happend is not so much.

The GOP's previous candidate for The Great Satan was milquetoast Tom Daschle. Tom Daschle. Let that sink in. It's obvious that their rhetoric has certain elements in it that are simply off-the-rack ready-made. It doesn't matter who it is that it's aimed at. If Mother Teresa were the Democratic leader, she'd be tricked out as Satan Spawn too.

In the real world Pelosi has gone to extraordinary lengths to present a moderate face and a moderate agenda.

Pelosi, like many Democrats, has bent over backwards to avoid Republicans attacking her, and gotten attacked nonetheless in the way she sought to avoid when she ruled out impeachment and otherwise pre-emptively caved in to the right: its unsurprising, she's showed that she can be moved by fear of the right, so they keep attacking gleefully.

When will Democratic leaders realize that they need to fight the other side, not run in fear?

Yeah. They got a script and by god they're sticking to it. Why are there reporters so dumb or unobservant that they dont understand this?

WHAT Liberal media?

Good grief, Miles, why on earth would you expect that from Katie Couric? Look at the forum she's offered to right-wing loonies on that "Free Speech" segment of the evening news (with the exception of Bob Schieffer).

I thought some of the questions on 60 Minutes were straight from Ken Mehlman's RNC.

American Hawk - your deluded trash has no place in a rational discourse. You are taking advantage of this site's lax moderation.

It was neither a puff piece nor a hit job.

I regretted that they didn't talk more about difficult votes that she had made, and that they also didn't talk about who finances her.

They did, however, hit many Republican talking points. They asked about impeachment, they mentioned the war vote. They asked specifically about gay marriage.

They also presented her as tough, which I think plays much better for men than women. (And she does indeed seem tough.)

Some human interest stuff, a bit infused with the idea that she was politicing (which I thought was fair).

Hardly fawning. For fawning, see: Katie Couric with Condi Rice.

definitely sign me up for more federal money to kill babies. and convey my sympathy to the poor struggling drug companies. when will they ever be allowed to turn a profit in the United Socialist States of America?

and I can only imagine that the radical homosexual agenda is that we all look faaaaaaaabulous!

can reason and facts ever pierce the veil of stupidity on the right?

I read a lot of comments disparaging CBS for....

Now, seemingly more than ever, people have on their tinted glasses and intrepret things according to their political gestalt. Normative reality, if it does exist at all, is not of interest to these people.

This is especially true of the person submitting as Am Hawk

Prevent citizens from getting the help they need, unless we also tax them to death.

I notice there's no mention of the so-called death tax, wherein the federal government robs graves. Perhaps the democrat [sic] party is catching on that Americans don't like graverobbers.

Hawk, do you ever wonder what life would be like if you'd had enough oxygen at birth?

The '60 Minutes' profile of Pelosi was not, as you say, especially warm-- but it was informative. This is very important because Pelosi is basically an unknown, and there's a lot of Republican-sponsored misinformation out there.

In particular, my brother-in-law had asked me before seeing the segment, how Pelosi had gotten to be such a big deal-- afterwards he said 'Never mind, I get it'.

Matt: American Hawk - your deluded trash has no place in a rational discourse. You are taking advantage of this site's lax moderation.

If you're looking for a site that has thought police, I suggest democraticunderground.com or dailykos.com. Both adequately stamp out anybody to the right of Dennis Kucinich.

Keith-- You can't address points, so you make personal attacks. You do liberalism proud. Isn't this where you accuse me of being racist? Come on, you can do it.

"Enact all the recommendations made by the 9/11 commission.

Enact the dubious recommendations of a partisan liberal think tank."

Thank you, AH, for so succinctly reminding me of why when I see your name at the bottom of a comment I just skip to the next one.

I saw the "60 Minutes" piece on Rep. Nancy Pelosi, and I did not think it was a "warm" piece of reporting. Leslie Stahl was tough, skeptical, and a touch bitchy. I sensed no respect from Ms. Stahl; maybe a bit of envy - ?

American Hawk - your deluded trash has no place in a rational discourse. You are taking advantage of this site's lax moderation.

Yup. Emphasis on the deluded part. The amazing thing is she doesn't think she is a troll.

This ridiculous attempt to demonize a 66 year old grandmother highlights how desperate the Dirty Tricks Party has become. The majority of Americans don’t even know who she is, for God's sake!

Let these imbeciles continue to flail at windmills, as they are hoisted on their own petards on November 7th!!!

This is actually one of my (many) pet peeves with the media - how they blithely accept the GOP talking points about a Democratic candidate and say, "Look, she's a symbol of partisan divide." They most notably do it on a regular basis with Hillary Clinton, when discussing whether she will run in 2008, by saying, "She's a very polarizing figure." Well, she's polarizing because the GOP and its media lapdogs have made her so. In other words, Republicans hate her, gin up hatred toward her - and so, somehow, that means she is ineligible to run for national office? Let's face it, no matter who the Democrats nominate in '08, the GOP and right-wing media will "hate," so every Democrat could be said to be a polarizing figure. Why bother holding elections?

Oldgreenguy-- Yet obviously you didn't, because you read my comment. But thanks for playing.

Ack Ack Ack Ack-- Yet more ad hominem. Good work!

Conservative Deflator: Let these imbeciles continue to flail at windmills, as they are hoisted on their own petards on November 7th!!!

Wow. Way to mix a metaphor, dumbass.

I saw the 60 minutes piece - in my opinion, it was not flattering - Stahl was just using the party line to try to bury Pelosi - I thought Pelosi has brilliant in her replies - right on message. I loved it when she said that the Republican Congress was worse than crooks.

You can't address points….

Oh Hawk, I just view it as a waste of time to point by point address the dredge that you so readily excrete (like your imaginary friend, the death tax). So much bullshit and so little time, especially since I have jack-o-lanterns to carve and hard cider to sip.

Ack Ack Ack Ack-- Yet more ad hominem. Good work!

Calling a troll a troll isn't ad hominem.

.The New York Times' Jennifer Steinhauer says that Nancy Pelosi has "emerged as a searing symbol of the country's deep partisan divide."

the article is worth reading in its entirety.

death with taxes

WTF?

"I'd like some death please."

"Would you like taxes with that?"

"No, just fries, thanks."

Democrats could use this tactic. Santorum is already toast, but he was a good candidte for demonizing. Virginia's highest profile bigot has also been treated to becoming a poster boy symbolizing what is wrong with Republicans.

It is time to smear all Republicans and Bush supporting Democrats with the idea that they want to send your children to fight in Bush's War.

Ack Ack: Calling a troll a troll isn't ad hominem.

Good point, troll.

American Hawk: I notice there's no mention of the so-called death tax, wherein the federal government robs graves.

Does American Hawk think that decedents bequeath their money to graves? The inheritance tax removes money from inheritors who have not earned the money. Of all taxes, the inheritance tax is the least unfair to living people who have earned the money that is taxed.

The one thing that stood out to me in the 60 Minutes piece is that they several times mentioned the designers of Pelosi's outfits. I remember thinking they would never say, "and on Monday, Hastert was wearing an Armani suit.", as they did about Pelosi.

American Hawk, I'm a troll's troll. Get it straight you nobody.

Hastert was wearing an Armani suit

Better that than a Speedo!

I used to challenge people to name a single Democrat in the House who was as relentlessly partisan, ruthless, and downright nasty and meanspirited as Tom Delay. Maybe I'm missing someone, but I don't think such a person exists, even on the left fringes of the party. And Delay wasn't in the fringes among House Republicans--he was their leader.

I didn't see the 60 Minutes piece. My father, who is pretty much the embodiment of Midwestern common sense, saw it and thought Pelosi seemed really great. I don't think he had any idea who she was up until then.

I think Pelosi's rather vanilla personal life (married to college sweetheart, 5 kids, 5 grandkids) will create an interesting contrast when compared to certain politicians who talk a lot about family values but seem to have a mistress in every port.

Impeachment (of Bush/Cheney) isn't a rightwing talking point.

It's a fucking moral imperative.

If Mother Teresa were the Democratic leader, she'd be tricked out as Satan Spawn too.

But in the case of Priest Teresa, it would be true.

American "Hawk" -- the schtick is lame, stupid, boring. I know Perl scripts that have more self-awareness than you seem to. So give it a rest. Nobody believes you, hell, nobody thinks you're anything more than another barely employable shithead. So fuck off already.

The GOP's previous candidate for The Great Satan was milquetoast Tom Daschle. Tom Daschle. Let that sink in. It's obvious that their rhetoric has certain elements in it that are simply off-the-rack ready-made. It doesn't matter who it is that it's aimed at. If Mother Teresa were the Democratic leader, she'd be tricked out as Satan Spawn too.

Yeah, I was thinking that too. It's astonishing how quickly the tools (see AH, above) do as their told, and direct the hate as ordered. It's going to be great fun watching them devour themselves, when the great GOP meltdown -- which has only just begun -- really takes off.

American Hawk, are you related to America's Hog, Rush Limbaugh? You sound like something he would excrete.

American Hawk's desperate attempts to demonize Nancy Pelosi illustrate how morally bankrupt and pathetic the right-wing is, now that their positions have been exposed as the fraud and pathetic charade that they are.

Don't believe me? Check this sewage out!

Shooting fish in a barrel:

Key:
Pelosi
UnAmerican Reich Wingnut
me

Yes, let's look at her agenda, removing the liberal media spin , watching UnAmerican Reich Wingnut insert some Republican't spin in its' place, and then checking out some counterpoint to the lies and distortion of the Greedy Obstructionist Pederasts.

Put new rules in place to break the link between lobbyists and legislation.

Prevent rich corporate concerned citizens from addressing their concerns to lawmakers without interference or oversight.

Enact all the recommendations made by the 9/11 commission.

Enact the dubious recommendations of a partisan liberal think tank that just happens to be primarily composed of Republican'ts.

I'm sorry, did UnAmerican Riech Wingnut just refer to the 9-11 commission as a think tank? Must be the oxycontin talking....

• Raise the federal minimum wage to $7.25 an hour.

Rob from those that provide jobs, give to those too lazy to finish high school - but make sure there's enough money to give every congress critter an annual raise greater than the poverty level those poor minimum wage schlubs can't get to in a year.

• Cut the interest rate on federally supported student loans in half.

Subsidize the next generation's elite (those getting college degrees) at the expense of those who don't go to college instead of letting Putsch borrow trillions from the Chinese. That way, everyone but the richest of the rich can be hopelessly in debt for the rest of their lives!

By the way - that last bit was an exaggeration on my part. I'm not really sure how much the student loan reduction will come directly out of the next generation's elite's pockets. Somehow I think they might get the lion's share of those subsidies.

Allow the government to negotiate directly with pharmaceutical companies for lower drug prices for Medicare patients.

Make it so drug companies can't make money, reducing incentives to make discoveries that will heal millions unless they want to experiment with stem cells. Then we gots to stop them with every means possible.

Funny, I don't see any incentives for discovery bring reduced in the countries that have their governments negotiate directly with pharmaceutical companies for lower drug prices. Could it be that UnAmerican Reich Wingnut is talking out of his a$$ yet again?

Broaden the types of stem cell research allowed with federal funds.

Use federal money to kill babies - because, if us religiously insane Reich Wingnuts say it's killing babies, then it's killing babies! Don't you know that reality has a liberal bias?

Impose pay-as-you-go budget rules, requiring that new entitlement spending or tax cuts be offset with entitlement spending cuts or tax hikes.

Prevent citizens from getting the help they need, unless we also tax them to death instead of tossing the burden over to our grandchildren's grandchilren so that rich Reich wingnut fatcats can get even richer.

I notice there's no mention of the so-called death tax, wherein the federal government robs graves. Perhaps the democrat party is catching on that Americans don't like graverobbers.

It's too bad that we don't hear more mention of the Paris Hilton tax. Perhaps the Republican'ts are starting to crumble because most real Americans can see through their kimchee about taking family farms away.

Posted by: American Hawk on October 31, 2006 at 1:14 PM | PERMALINK

Too easy. UnAmerican Reich Wingnut can spew his lies all day - there's more than enough truth to counter anything these clowns can come up with.

One of the joys of this election cycle has been to witness the panic, fear and cowardice of the Republican Party.

Another joy will be to see how the American people repudiate the Reptiles a week from today.

But best of all will be to see the myth of Karl Rove's genius shattered once and for all. Even now the GOP is trying to move the goalposts (from "retain Congress" to "The Democrats won't have that much of a majority!"). Sweet!

"a searing symbol of the country's deep partisan divide?"
To this guy, yes:
http://www.fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2006/102006/10282006/232595/printer_friendly

Nancy Pelosi a searing symbol!?

As noted this is pure RNC invention. They wish that this was the case.

The fact of the matter is that most people either have not heard of Nancy Pelosi or know enough to rate her. See, e.g. http://www.pollingreport.com/P-Z.htm#Pelosi

Hastert is a far better candidate for searing symbol of a partisan divide. Bush, Cheney, Frist, Karl Rove, etc are all more represenatative of such a title. If you had to pick a Democrat then I suppose Hillary Clinton might make the list at least before Pelosi.

The Republicans have tried and failed to make Pelosi the issue. The fact of the matter far more people want to see the current Speaker of the House out of his position.

Why does the NYT feel the need to run this stuff?

Man, American Hawk is just getting lazy in his trolls:

* No minimum wage raise cuz we don't want those lazy non-high school finishin' kids to get rich off the sweat of small business owners...

* No help for tuition cuz we don't want them smart kids gettin' no college edumacation.

So apparently the consensus troll view is that kids should finish high school, and then immediately open their own small business. Good, we're clear on that.

Nancy Pelosi is a nice Catholc-school girl and grandmother, who married (and stayed married to) a nice smart Italian boy from San Francisco. End of story. She is exactly like many of the upper-middle-class Catholic wives who now vote reliably Republican. What's to demonize?

You can't address points, so you make personal attacks

At least the personal attacks are more entertaining than that "grave robber" routine you've been doing. That is so lame.

If Mother Teresa were the Democratic leader, she'd be tricked out as Satan Spawn too.

Hitchens already has a book slagging on her, so that would save the right some time, as long as nobody actually *read* the book...

tomeck >"...That is so lame."

Well, that is all that is required to Take Karl Rove`s Money

"The mind is its own place,
and in itself can make a heaven of hell,
and a hell of heaven." - John Milton

Face It! It's pure sexism. The Republicans don't want a woman as Speaker of the House.

Yeah, the reports on what she was wearing were ridiculous sexism. Lesley Stahl is the WORST when it comes to this; her reports tend to have these tangential, irrelevant nonesense thrown in. However, I thought it was flattering, but I do not think that her rhetoric is that bad. Someone who might would think otherwise, which may be where Kevin sees the unflattering aspects (besides the sexist wardrobe reports).

Yeah run that "Pelosi is a moderate" up the flag pole and see who salutes. She said, "impeachement is off the table," in the interview to slide her words to the center while she is still bent over for the leftwingers.

Thank you Lord for giving John Kerry to the Democratic party. Please give him increasing places to speak publicly as it gets closer to election day. Thank you for small favors. Amen!

Social conservatives understand only themselves and see others only terms of themselves so they see in Pelosi a reflection of their antisocial malice.

I didn't write about it at the time, which means my memory has grown dim, but it seemed distinctly unfriendly to me. Am I off base here, or did it strike other people that way too?

I don't think the 60 Minutes piece was fawning, nor was it unduly critical. I think Pelosi came across well, however, and I say this as a strong GOP leaner. She has a certain -- dare I say almost "Thatcheresque" -- no B.S. toughness about her. I frankly would trust her more than a lot of these seemingly asleep at the wheel Republican poobahs in these dangerous times. Did I mention I usually vote Republican?

Pelosi opposed the War on Iraq, and occasionally makes somewhat vigorous statements of opposition to the Republican leaders.

The New York Times, its owners, editors and writers, hasn't yet met a War on Muslims that it doesn't like.

Hence, Pelosi is shrill. The only acceptable criticisms of the Iraq War relate to its prosecution, planning, competence, etc. That's basically true here, at TNR, NYT, WashPost, media wide.

Similar to the criticism (within Israel) of their recent Lebanon misadventure, killin Muslims ain't the problem, its all in the execution. Like Ledeen says, "faster, please"....

"Face It! It's pure sexism. The Republicans don't want a woman as Speaker of the House."

Yeah, and they don't want an African-American man or woman to be secretary of state either! Or a Supreme court justice!

Face it! Democrats only want the Hoyers, Kerrys and Grand Wizard Byrds of the world to be in charge of their agenda.

Kerry hates Bush so much he is willing to insult every soldier now serving. There's a solid moderate voice for you! With him in the senate leadership we will be cutin and runnin by January.

Pelosi is pro-choice. Lesley Stahl asked her why she didn't have more "centrist" leanings on that issue. This is a peculiar use of the the word "centrist" considering most Americans are pro-choice in poll after poll.

Yeah, the Pelosi piece on 60 Minutes had an RNC-based feel to it.

Media matters on this...
http://mediamatters.org/columns/200610240013

I have a friend at 60 Minutes who worked on the Pelosi piece. I can assure you that it wasn't a bunch of Republicans who put that one together.

Slothrop: the majority of Americans are pro-choice only for the first trimester.

"Thank you Lord for giving John Kerry to the Democratic party. Please give him increasing places to speak publicly as it gets closer to election day. Thank you for small favors. Amen!"

Posted by: Orwell on October 31, 2006 at 3:26 PM | PERMALINK

Actually, I think now is the perfect time for anyone who wants to be a Democratic Party presidential candidate in 2008 to get ot to Cincinnati, Ohio or Orlando Florida to convince the voters.

Yes, bring John F. Kerry to Ohio! Perfect! He could talk to all the parents of soldier from Ohio and tell them how stupid their children are. Kerry could lose just as elegantly in 2008 as he did in 2004. Botoxman strikes again.

Liberals have such positive messages. They will do so much to, I mean for, America.

I believe Pelosi said, "Bush is stupid." That alone should get her removed from possible speakership for unoriginal content in her public speaking. Get some new material Nancy, Jon Stewart has a copyright on that phrase anyway.

I think Republicans were saying Pelosi looks like the grim reaper than actually is the grim reaper.

If I may rerun my comment from October 25:

But on "Sixty Minutes" Lesley Stahl said Nancy Pelosi was responsible for the breakdown of civility in Washington.

Bush and republicans hate the troops. They sent our troops off on a fool's errand and from day one until now have not adequately planned or funded this disaster. Don't blame the democrats for this quagmire or for stating the obvious.

Keith-- You can't address points, so you make personal attacks. You do liberalism proud. Isn't this where you accuse me of being racist?
Omigod - that "American Hawk" post was for real?! I thought that was the most hilarious parody I've read all campaign season. You were serious? The mind boggles!

Nathan,

Slothrop: the majority of Americans are pro-choice only for the first trimester.

You are either outlight lying or just being disingenous. How so? What about cases of rape and incest? A majority of Americans are pro-chioce in those cases even after the first trimester.

I have been giving some thought to the estate tax, and it seems to me that once I am dead I won't need the money anymore. The issue for me is what is in the best interests of my children and grandchildren. I am not sure I want my descendants to live in a world dominated by a few "royal" families, even if mine is one of them.

I don't mind an indexed estate tax deduction that would allow my wife and me to pass on enough to our kids and grandkids to get them started in life, but I don't see any reason why I would want them to miss the kinds of struggles we have enjoyed. A world of generally affluent people is far preferable to a world of a very wealthy few and a vast pool of poor.

In short I think Bill and Milinda Gates and Warren Buffett are right. The "royal" Bush family is wrong.

Bush's Legacy - Debt, War amd Pollution.

There's the other reason you failed to mention for why the Repubs hate and fear Pelosi, and it's not just because she's a liberal: She's a Woman Who Speaks Her Mind. To Repubs, this makes her particulary frightening and dangerous.

Kevin: "I didn't write about it at the time, which means my memory has grown dim, but it seemed distinctly unfriendly to me."

No - I got that impression, as well.

Is it just me, or has others also noticed that any time there's a profile of a female political leader on major media, over 90% of the time it somehow always manages to include some comment on her attire, her hair, or both?

How come we don't ever see similar catty comments in the media about the dowdy John Warner, the slovenly Dennis Hastert, the blow-dried Bill Frist, or the dyed and lacquered Tom DeLay?

"There's the other reason you failed to mention for why the Repubs hate and fear Pelosi, and it's not just because she's a liberal: She's a Woman Who Speaks Her Mind."

Yeah we know Republicans hate Ann Coulter.

It does seem ironic, they say 'she's from San Francisco!' as if that completely swayed the fact that she's prolly the most conservative Democrat in the next congress...

Uppity Wimmin give them the heebie-jeebies.

Jeebus, the national newspaper’s sure have loved Bush sorched earthy gossip policies.

A regular war against Dems and liberals that the nations news media can’t wait to induldge daily in, screw the hard work of decent reporting. It’s made real news totally Irrelevant. We don’t need to know if Hastert lied about knowing what Foley was doing for more a few weeks, all the public really needs to know is that Hastert blamed it all on Dems, end of news or was it end of gossip?

I see that those blue states, in accordance with Rove divine plan to scurge the earth of nasty liberals, has resulted in a scurge of Republicans from blue states.

We get this from Daily Kos:

Chafee admits the reason he will lose:

People tell me, Linc, I really like you, but I want to send Bush a message.

And in Rhode Island, they will. They will.

Bush doesn’t want red state voting Dem, so Tom DeLay gerrymander the state of Texas. AND so, seeing as the Supreme Court approved it in the end, really I don’t know what blue states are waiting for, time to gerrymander CA, NY and all the otthers that fit the blue and shove supposed moderates Repugs right out of the way.

If dems can’t win in red states, who cares if Republicans can win in Blue states because at least with gerrymander they can’t, right?

The press is printing headline that read like this:

Midterm Vote May Define Rove's Legacy Washington Post

Frankly, I'm sure the real legacy will an era in newspaper reporting, whereby the newspaper wrote off all fact and research in exchange for cheap partisan gossip.

Jennifer Steinhauer article should be only a column somewhere in gossip/social secion of the paper because its not news, it's pure partisan gossip and not a damn thing else.

American Hawk: "Yes, let's look at her agenda, removing the liberal media spin."

Mahalo nui loa for your completely unbiased analysis of Rep. Pelosi's agenda for the first 100 hours. It's nice to see that there still are people out there in the heartland who support President Bush through thick and thin - you can all practically be counted on one hand.

Yeah we know Republicans hate Ann Coulter.

Posted by: Orwell on October 31, 2006

Ann Coulter is a woman? Who knew?

How many people are citizens of the United States? Residents?

...How many people see the 'Death tax'? How many family businesses? Farms?

'9/11 commission == liberal think tank'? Who was on the commission? Who led the commission? Who created the commission?

How can you argue with someone who makes points which don't even have any basis in reality?

...

It appears now Kerry is being made the searing symbol over Pelosi, which is understandable from a GOP operative's POV since they managed it with Kerry in 2004 and the campaign to demonize Pelosi does not appear to have caught on. Now, the offending sentence Kerry is being tagged with as meaning the troops are stupid and uneducated was this:"If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq.". Now, once the GOP and the Bush WH decided to try and make a federal case out of them to claim this proves how Kerry is so anitisoldier/military he responded with an explanation. He says he mangled the punch line of a joke where the intended target was the President. So he clarifies it by making the point that if one is uneducated one makes decisions such as the one to invade Iraq with no occupation plan, ill fitting amour for combat soldiers to fight in, and incredibly bad execution of war fighting policies in general.

Now, let us look at the offending sentence once again. "If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq." Now, to get the meaning for the punch line Kerry claims this was supposed to be and originally written how hard is it to get there from here? The answer is two letters, something very easy to drop without realizing you did so at the time. The two letters are "us", and they would fit into the sentence here: "If you don't, you get *us* stuck in Iraq.". So Kerry's explanation seems entirely credible, and the current jumping on it in the manner the GOP and Bush is doing is clearly distorting and clearly yet another attempt to swiftboat someone they had already successfully portrayed as anti-military and anti-soldier to enough people in the last election via the Swiftboat slandering of his military record. This time though Kerry is swinging back off the top and in his statement went out of his way to make clear he learned his lesson on this point last time out, learned it completely and totally and therefore is not going to sit by and let this WH and GOP machine repeat said process to try and salvage a looming Congressional massacre in the House and potential loss of the Senate without said fighting back.

This is typical GOP spin in action, and Kerry I think did the right thing in coming out strong today to respond to it, and that his explanation as I demonstrated with the offending statement is quite easy to see having happened. What I find incredibly ironic about this coming from the Bush WH is this is a President who routinely mangles sentences and paragraphs on a regular basis across the board topic/issue wise. I am not sure this will work for them this time, and by making such a big stink about it at this point in the last week of the election campaign where Kerry is not running himself will be seen by many as further evidence of desperation. The hard core GOPers of course will faithfully stand up and raise a hue and cry about how awful this was, how this is clear evidence Kerry has contempt for soldiers, as shameless as 2004 when the GOP thought purple heart band-aids where appropriate commentary at their 2004 convention. The fact that Kerry's record for fighting for aid to soldiers in the field and to veterans after their service in his career exists showing his real feelings about those in uniform notwithstanding, just like everything else in the faith based reality too many GOPers live in. I think while Kerry clearly made an initial gaffe that gave the GOP/WH an opening the GOP/WH are overreaching and that Kerry's explanation makes sense and his refusal to sit back and be whipped yet again plays into the 2006 perception of Dems that fight back, not simply wimp out, which has been one of the most potent GOP frames for decades now.

Crissa: "It does seem ironic, they say 'she's from San Francisco!' ..."

... with "San Francisco Values", as opposed to, say, the "Houston Values" as offered and practiced by George H.W. Bush, Barbara Bush, Ken Lay, Tom DeLay, Andrew Fastow, Jeff Skilling and other high-minded paragons of civic virtue.

The answers:
'about 300 million'
'over 300 million'
'less than 0.01%'
'less than a dozen'
'none'
What 'Death tax'?

'Majority: Republicans'
'Republican'
'Republicans Congress'
Republicans make liberal think-tanks now?

And lastly...
'I have no idea.'

When you figure out how to argue with him, please tell us.

Oh. My. God. This Republican GOTV ad is so far over the top, it achieves orbit.

(Sigh. I miss tbrosz.)

yes, I saw it and spent a lot of time complaining that it seemed like a republican hit piece. not at all fawning. i forget who did the interview, but she spent 90% of it making the republican case and 10% on motherhood stuff.

it seems like msm thinks that making the other side's case somehow represents interviewing.

she didn't present any facts. only spun opinion straight out of rove's arse.

Scotian,
I understand what you are saying and agree regarding the Kerry gaffe. The problem is that the Repubs can run with this (witness Chimpy speechifying about it already). And they can feign outrage. It's a case of the Reps being able to state "Kerry says troops are dumb" versus a two-paragraph explanation of what Kerry really meant to say. That's a losing proposition. The damage is done.

Why Kerry couldn't simply say "Kids, stay in school and graduate, so if you ever become the leader of the free world, you won't be an ignorant mistake-prone moron like that jackass we're suffering with now" is beyond me.

See how easy that is. No nuance, no chance for misinterpretation.
Jesus H. Christ, I think Kerry is a Goddamn mole for the Republican party. I say this based on this remark and his entire feckless 2004 campaign.

Nancy Pelosi is so scary to Republicans this dinosaur is carving her image in his pumpkin tonight!

I'd do a Harry Reid pumpkin too but that may be a bit too scary for them, and I don't want to have to clean up any accidents on my sidewalk.

Re: 60 Minutes

I thought the piece Lesley Stahl did was well done. She asked Pelosi some tough questions that could have come an RNC fundraising letter, but that just presented Pelosi with an opportunity to rebut the standard criticisms. I came away liking Pelosi even more after I watched it.

(I also did not like the mention of her Armani suit and agree that if she were a man her sartorial tastes would have gone unnoticed. Why do journalists perpetuate this double standard?)

The Pelosi profile on 60 Min wasn't bad - mostly positive in the bio sections, somewhat on the hostile side in the questions, overall reasonably fair especially considering the source.

It does contrast sharply with Couric's piece on Condi Rice, which reached levels of groveling adoration normally seen only in North Korea.

I didn't see the Pelosi interview, but you Dems have benefited from media bias. A new study released today by the non-partisan Center for Media and Public Affairs (CMPA) confirms the bias.
More than three fourths (77%) of ABC, CBS and NBC evening news references to Democrats this fall have been favorable, while 88% of the coverage given GOP candidates has been negative, an unprecedented disparity.
The study is at http://www.cmpa.com/documents/06.10.31.Study.pdf

If the study were peer-reviewed, then ex-lib wouldn't believe in it.

The White House war plans are soured, Abramoff is talking his head off, DeLay resigns in shame, the GOP constituency is fragmenting and the House leadership covered up pedaphilia: what were the media supposed to report?

How nice Mark Foley's hair looked?

ckelly:

If he had said the "us" where I pointed out it fit to make the joke work as he claims he was trying for then none of this would have happened now would it? I understand your point, perhaps better than you may realize as I was one of the voices that vigourously attacked the Swiftboat campaign from the outset at this blog when they first attacked his war record in their first ad. However, to expect that Kerry, the 2004 Presidential candidate that got the most votes any Dem Presidential candidate ever got (if you believe the totals are true, I do not, as I have stated before I do not trust the integrity of the American vote counting process anymore, which means if anything I believe those numbers were lower than actual) to not be able to make shots at the GOP President seems quite unreasonable too.

I stand by what I said first time out on this. Kerry made a gaffe, probably didn't even realize it at the time (which given how small the dropped word is I can believe, I've done that many a time without realizing it in print as well as verbally as I have seen many others do so, including some very well spoken/literate people) and corrected it. To find fault with him for the decision of the GOP machine to focus upon him strikes me as more than a little unreasonable since they will attack whenever and where they can anyone that they can, it is their nature like the scorpion. I think if he had left it hanging without making clear what his original intent was I think would have been far more helpful to the GOP machine than what he did today.

I understand your concern and where it is coming from as well as the history upon which it is based. I just think that in this case since it is very easy to see how this joke/punch line could have been mangled from the meaning he intended to the one which appeared in the mangled version this will appear to be more desperation than substance outside of the GOP core base, and generally those already willing to crawl over broken glass to vote against Dems at that. I think Kerry's fighting spirit this time out combined with the clear overreaching in the GOP/WH spin/reading of what Kerry said will to anyone that isn't already solidly in the GOP camp will find this a bit of a stretch and reeking of desperation at this late a date in the election campaign. The tsunami the GOP is facing is built upon some very strong and deep running currents, this is not going to be able to make any appreciable headway against that I believe. I would be far more concerned with fair counting of the votes for any bad performance of the Dems Nov 7 than this bit with Bush and Kerry. That is where I think the trouble point is likely to appear at.

I know Kerry is not popular with many in America, including within his own party. I understand the cringe factor he comes with. I just think that this time out with this particular attack the GOP/Bush look more desperate than anything else, and that Kerry coming out forcefully to explain his gaffe, point out the WH knows better, and that this is yet one more example of how they smear opposition with such crap instead of actually talk about substantive issues will work more to Dem advantage than disadvantage. Now, if this becomes something the media drives with the assistance of the GOP feeding it then you are right, it could end up hurting, but then that is true in politics generally speaking especially for the Dems since they do not have the megaphones in the media that the GOP does.

Imagine that. With Iraq boiling, umpteen Repub Congressional scandals, and Bush failures in the war on terror, I guess the major news outlets forgot to report all those positives coming from the Republican party this fall

What the hell were you folks thinking when you put that nitwit Kerry on your ticket??? I've been saying for six months that my team deserves to have their ass kicked, but you guys just will not get the job done no matter what. I don't know why we spent all that money on Diebold when you send out Major Frank Burns from MASH as your spokesman.

Doesn't anybody on your side know how to play this game?

No, George W. Bush is "a searing symbol of the country's deep partisan divide."

No--forget I said that. George W. Bush is a flaming dork.

Dennis Hastert is a "searing symbol of the country's deep partisan divide."

minion of rove: Major Frank Burns from MASH

"Unless we each conform, unless we obey orders, unless we follow our leaders blindly there is no possible way we can remain free" - Frank Burns

frank would be a republican...

meanwhile, death and debt continue...under the gop majority...

minion of rove:

Yeah. Too bad about Kerry speaking the truth. I know how the truth bothers conservatives. How about this truth - George W. Bush went AWOL from the Texas Air National Guard in 1972 because of a serious cocaine problem and never served the time he was required to. Thanks to family connections he got an honorable discharge, when most people would have been court-martialed and his military records were conveniently purged of all negative documentation before he ran for president in 2000. John Kerry, on the other hand, served honorably in Viet Nam, was wounded and was decorated with honors.

Those are the facts - anything else you add is fluff or conservative lies. Have a nice evening.

TCD

ex-lib: you Dems have benefited from media bias

"We have the media now." - Ann Coulter 7/25/05

I saw the 60 minutes piece. It was definitely an unfriendly profile. I wanted to strangle Leslie Stahl.

At least, however, they gave her a chance to respond to Stahl's ridiculous questions. I suppose you could say that giving Pelosi a chance to reply to the right's accusations could be a positive for our side.

Scotian -

I tend to agree with you. I believe that Kerry mangled the punch line of a joke meant to be an insult to President Bush. However:

1. It was a poor joke, since Kerry's college grades were even worse than Bush's.

2. Kerry's fluff sounds like a Freudian slip. What he said mirrored the contempt for the military that I used to indulge in during my liberal period. E.g., I thought a really clever joke was, "Military intelligence is an oxymoron."

3. Assuming Kerry fluffed his line, the fluff was his mistake. Why is he responding to criticism by attacking various conservatives, rather than simply apologize for his mis-statement?

More than three fourths (77%) of ABC, CBS and NBC evening news references to Democrats this fall have been favorable, while 88% of the coverage given GOP candidates has been negative, an unprecedented disparity.

Yes, why couldn't the networks have run some positive stories on the Iraq War disaster, North Korea getting a bomb, Mark Foley, Denny Hastert's cover-up for Foley, Jack Abramoff, Tom DeLay, Bob Ney getting convicted, David Safavian getting convicted, Duke Cunningham getting convicted, etc. etc.

This only goes to prove "The Daily Show's" point that, as Rob Corddry explained, "the facts are biased...the facts...have an anti-Bush agenda."

I didn't see the Pelosi interview, but you Dems have benefited from media bias.

"Don't believe the right-wing ideologues when they tell you the left still controls the media agenda. It does not any longer. It's a fact." -- Bill O'Reilly, 7/26/05

ex-lib: 1. It was a poor joke, since Kerry's college grades were even worse than Bush's.

kerry isn't stuck in iraq...

gwb is...

stefan: Yes, why couldn't the networks have run some positive stories on the Iraq War disaster

"You never hear about the cars in Iraq that don't explode." - Jon Stewart

mr. irony: kerry isn't stuck in iraq...gwb is...,/i>

mr. irony, Kerry voted in favor of the Iraq war. Now the going has gotten tough, so he wants to turn tail and flee.

Thanks goodness Bush remains committed. He intends to defeat the insurgents and al Qaeda terrorists and allow a stable democracy to come into being in Iraq. Bush knows that we can't withdraw from the War on Terror, because al Qaeda remains committed to establishing a Caliphate by force over a large portion of the world. And, al Qaeda leaders comsider Iraq the central point of their war right now.

Similarly, FDR and Churchill knew they needed to defeat the fascists. They knew that there was no choice but to win WW2, because the fascists were committed to territorial expansion by force. Withdrawal wasn't an option.

Future historians will credit Bush for taking the battle to the enemy in the War on Terror.

"3. Assuming Kerry fluffed his line, the fluff was his mistake. Why is he responding to criticism by attacking various conservatives, rather than simply apologize for his mis-statement?"

Posted by: ex-liberal on October 31, 2006 at 6:49 PM

Normally I don't bother responding to you even when you make comments about my work, but you allow me to underscore an important point with this. The last time he thought baseless criticism should be ignored instead of responded to was when his military service (not his anti-war activities later, only his actual war service in Vietnam) was attacked by the Swiftboaters. Indeed, it was the first attack they leveled at him, and his failure to respond intensely from the outset allowed them to portray him in a very unfavourable negative light not just for being anti-war but as a gutless coward in his military service that deliberately lied and cheated to get medals he did not really earn despite all contemporaneous evidence to the contrary and no contemporaneous evidence to support said allegation nor any evidence then or to this day that held any actual proof and survived examination. If he did not come out exactly in the manner he did today to knock down what you agree was a misstatement and not his original intended meaning from conservative voices of great power including President Bush and the White House he would be inviting the same response all over again as in 2004. Which I am quite certain you recognize and would have loved to have seen happen.

Indeed, part of the underpinning of the GOP/WH attack on Kerry today rests on believing the premise that Kerry is contemptuous of soldiers, especially combat soldiers despite having been a volunteer soldier himself that did two tours of duty (yes the second was short but only because his service allowed for it to be completed out of combat theater but the first was a full term) in Vietnam. The whole idea of Kerry being willing to make such remarks about the average soldiers rests on believing that Kerry is an effete snob that does not have any understanding nor appreciation for those that choose to serve their country by choice in uniform fundamentally rests on a fiction the GOP has unfortunately been very effective at selling. His record for speaking up for the needs and duties of government to vets of military service is clear and unequivocally demonstrates his respect for such service regardless of whether he believes the policy that service is in is a good one.

Thank you for providing an excellent example of why Kerry did have to respond to these attacks forcefully ex-liberal, and for just how slimy the GOP machine that you so clearly admire is as dangerous as it is. Not to mention how duplicitous and dishonourable it is in it's constant quest to win and hold power at any and all costs. It is the GOP that is the party of cowardice and moral relativism and elitism these days, this sort of thing tends to bounce back and forth over generations between the two parties, and this time out the GOP have really gone down the rabbit hole of the politics of personal destruction and total warfare. I take comfort in one thing. There appears to be widespread anger and discontent at the total GOP government of the past four years, and if somehow there is not the change in government/Congress this time out the degree of anger and contempt for the GOP will only increase making 2008 a real watershed. It also may finally make enough Americans suspicious about the electronic voting machines and the questions surrounding GOP operations to hack the vote counts to force real action/exposure. Either way though the writing is on the wall for the GOP, not just in this election season but for a generation thanks to their own actions, inactions, corruption, and incompetence across the board from health care to national security and warfare.

Is it comical or psychotic to see Newt Gingrich criticizing Pelosi's left wing morality? She's a grandma married for decades - to the same guy - who is criticized by a guy infamous for dumping his second wife at the hospital as she lay dying of cancer. I'm not really sure how many wives Newt has collected so far...

Is it comical or psychotic to see Newt Gingrich criticizing Pelosi's left wing morality?

Its not psychotic to see Newt Gingrich. It may be psychotic to be him, though.

mr. irony, Kerry voted in favor of the Iraq war.

This is a lie. Senator Kerry voted in favor of an Oct. 2003 resolution empowering Bush to use all necessary means to force Saddam Hussein to comply with UN weapons inspections.

He did not, and never could have, voted "in favor of the Iraq war" as there has never been such a vote in the US Senate.

Is it comical or psychotic to see Newt Gingrich criticizing Pelosi's left wing morality? She's a grandma married for decades - to the same guy - who is criticized by a guy infamous for dumping his second wife at the hospital as she lay dying of cancer. I'm not really sure how many wives Newt has collected so far...

Newt's on Wife Number Three. She's a former mistress who worked in his Congressional office and whom he had an affair with while married to Wife Number Two.

Can't we get a Defense of Marriage Act to get Gingrich to stop despoiling the institution....?

What is it with the media and high powered Democratic women? With the exception of Katherine Harris I can't think of a single GOP woman in Congress who has had to take the crap that Hillary Clinton and Nancy Pelosi have. It just seems that female Democrats are automatically smeared as polarizing and unable to compromise. I didn't hear one bad thing about Denny Hastert or his views when he was chosen as speaker. Regardless of the bad press its going to be a magical day for women when Pelosi becomes Speaker. Its been 200 years in the making.

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