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November 1, 2006
By: Kevin Drum

MELTDOWN IN IRAQ.... Here's the PowerPoint slide obtained by the New York Times that shows Central Command's internal view of the situation in Iraq. In short: bad and getting worse.

In fact, here's some fun pseudo-math to go along with it. If you mark off the entire scale in units from 0-100, the "Chaos Quotient" has increased from 55 to 81 in the past eight months, an increase of slightly more than 3 points per month. So how long until we hit 100 at the current rate?

Answer: Just under six months. Even the U.S. military now thinks we have less than one Friedman before Iraq is hopelessly lost.

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Iraq is hopelessly lost.

Thanks, George Bush, for making our worst Middle Eastern nightmare a concrete reality: A failed state where terrorist groups hostile to the United States can flourish, operate, threaten our oil supplies--and have access to vast amount of money to help enable their schemes.

The quinella of incompetence!

Posted by: Derelict on November 1, 2006 at 1:01 PM | PERMALINK

Oh, so the holy New York Times has published a confidential military memo? What a shock! Treason!

(Just saving you the trouble, "Al.")

Posted by: Alek Hidell on November 1, 2006 at 1:03 PM | PERMALINK

Kevin - I just love the use of a "Friedman" as the six-month time interval.

Posted by: MaxGowan on November 1, 2006 at 1:06 PM | PERMALINK

Not a word about John Kerry's meltdown? Cat got your tongue? Heh.

Posted by: Old Coot on November 1, 2006 at 1:07 PM | PERMALINK

Alex, thanks for saving dear Al the time. He is busy expressing his Righteous Anger over the Traitor Kerry slandering our Brave Men in Iraq!

Just because Kerry the Kommie served in Vietnam doesn't mean he has anything to say -- just the opposite! It means he is uneducated!

Remember -- all that matters is one line from Kerry!

Posted by: Al's Mommy on November 1, 2006 at 1:08 PM | PERMALINK

we told you so...

Posted by: a tired america on November 1, 2006 at 1:10 PM | PERMALINK

Less than one Friedman left! Shit man, is that enough time to impeach and overcome?

Posted by: elmo on November 1, 2006 at 1:12 PM | PERMALINK

But but but Kerry was for the joke before he was against it!

Posted by: f the trolls on November 1, 2006 at 1:14 PM | PERMALINK

Unforunately, there are a bunch of old coots that think the major issue here is whether a politician can deliver a punchline, and not that there is a major military mission that is failing.

Posted by: Nemo on November 1, 2006 at 1:15 PM | PERMALINK

When is Bush going to apologize to the troops for getting them killed and maimed for nothing?

Posted by: grytpype on November 1, 2006 at 1:15 PM | PERMALINK

Good lord. That slide is going to make steam come out of Edward Tufte's ears. 3 bullet points per slide, max, gentlemen.

Posted by: The Confidence Man on November 1, 2006 at 1:18 PM | PERMALINK

look at the pretty colors!

Posted by: dubya on November 1, 2006 at 1:22 PM | PERMALINK

Too bad Dems are too short on balls to use this as a hammer against the Pres. I would like them to triumph, but they have droppped the ball too many times, afraid to stand up and be proud of their liberals leanings.

One week to go, what will the Dems do to blow this election?

Posted by: D-Vega on November 1, 2006 at 1:26 PM | PERMALINK

I have come to the conclusion nothing will make the American power and media elite see Iraq as a disaster except a picture of stark, undeniable military defeat.
I used to think maybe pictures of Americans evacuating the Green Zone under fire would do the trick.
The Kerry story has made me reconsider my position. It'll take "oops, there goes Chicago" to force out society to face its criminal folly.

Posted by: JMG on November 1, 2006 at 1:29 PM | PERMALINK

Al? American Hawk? Any comment?


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Posted by: JRI on November 1, 2006 at 1:31 PM | PERMALINK

Iraq was hopelessly lost in March 2003.

Posted by: Hostile on November 1, 2006 at 1:31 PM | PERMALINK

Its always easy to manipulate peoples feelings, especially when you are talking about diseases that are so difficult.

Is Laura XanaxSmile Bush referring to bush administration disease? No the lowly fascist enabler is referring to Michael J. Fox. Pathetic. But but but Kerry, indeed.

The GOP is melting down also.

Posted by: f the trolls on November 1, 2006 at 1:34 PM | PERMALINK

what will the Dems do to blow this election?

What will the Dems do to enrich big pharma, big oil, and big defense contractors after they win the elections?

All they can.

Posted by: Hostile on November 1, 2006 at 1:34 PM | PERMALINK

So the world's greatest military (tm) is run by PowerPoint slides?

Or is it just that this is the level of information that Rummy and the BushChild can absorb?

Posted by: craigie on November 1, 2006 at 1:35 PM | PERMALINK

We had to destroy the village in order to save it.

Posted by: Richard Nixon on November 1, 2006 at 1:36 PM | PERMALINK

Correction, Richard Nixon: That statement was made after the Feb., '68 Tet Offensive, nearly a year BEFORE you were inaugurated. What are you doing here anyway? I thought you were burning in Hell.

Posted by: MaxGowan on November 1, 2006 at 1:42 PM | PERMALINK

The quitters are out in full force here today.


The reason we are losing must be due to the fact that all of our soldiers are dropouts and losers. John Kerry's assesment must be correct.

The liberal solution to every problem is "just put it off for another generation." Quitting now will just push the consequences to the next generation.

Are any of the liberals willing to actually try and fix problems or do they want things to go badly so there is something to rail against?

Posted by: Orwell on November 1, 2006 at 1:44 PM | PERMALINK

Middle East Football is Complicated

I've been trying to imagine the Iraq situation as a football game.

Start with Shia on one side of the ball and Sunnis on the other. The Yanks are the Officials.

Embedded in both side are thugs and murderers who from time to time shoot somebody in the huddle or go into the stands and kidnap a prominent son or daughter then demand a first down as payment.

Also playing are a few Jihadists who plant explosives in the football just when one side appears poised to score. They to date have been so efficient that the goal line areas have all but disappeared.

The field is surrounded by US tanks because the stands empty in violent protest after every close call brings cries of favoritism.

The Mullahs of course declared a fatwa regarding the use of the good ol' pigskin which was particularly dicey but had the cheering side effect of seeing all participants line up on the same side for a mercurial moment.

The part of the game that is most dispiriting however are the cheerleaders. First of all there are three hundred and six different cheerleader contingents representing the religious, familial and tribal loyalties with feuding interests. Then there's the fact that they're entirely covered which gives one the sense of how oxy-islamic the whole concept of organized competition truly is.

Then the stands keep disintegrating, which requires additional kickbacks to Haliburton and KBR who have all the concessions.

Well, to quote Rummy, it's complicated.

(add your dream team comments here)

Posted by: cognitorex on November 1, 2006 at 1:49 PM | PERMALINK

I know it's bad, but my first reaction whenever one of these military Powerpoint slides comes out is just how awful these people are at the art of visual presentation. Could that slide be any more cluttered and overstuffed?

Well, I guess it COULD:

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2006_08/009329.php

Posted by: Peem on November 1, 2006 at 1:54 PM | PERMALINK

Are any of the liberals willing to actually try and fix problems or do they want things to go badly so there is something to rail against?


Me me me! We can win this Iraq thing if we only put another 2 million people on the ground there, and I know where to find them.

On Tuesday, if you mark your ballot for any Republicans, then congratulations! You're off on an almost-all-expenses-paid tour of Iraq!

Let us know when I can get a vanilla latte over there, will you?

Posted by: craigie on November 1, 2006 at 1:55 PM | PERMALINK

George Bush started the War.

That means that the Democrats, who don't control Congress or the Courts, have lost it.

Vote Republican! Don't be an Enemy of the State!

Posted by: Al's Mommy on November 1, 2006 at 1:58 PM | PERMALINK

Let's get out ASAP. We shouldn't have gone in the first place, Iraq did not attack us, in fact we were "tricked" by King Bush and his cronies, we don't know why we went thanks to the ever evolving reasons Bush has given us to attempt to explain what we are doing there, we still don't have a plan to win in Iraq, could someone define win please, the king has no idea what he is doing, they are in the middle of a civil war that we imposed on them, thanks US, you guys rock, but fuck it let's stay and kill thousands of more insurgents (sounds better calling them insurgents doesn't it, no nationality attached makes it sound a little less painful), and more US troops can die at the hands of the actual people we are supposedly helping.. what a joke... what a monumental fuck up this war is... The king has no idea what to do, he gets guidance from a nonexistent god, and doesn't understand the culture or area we are fighting in and he won't listen to anyone who differs from hims views. He knows all. We are not doing the right thing. Oh yeah and don't forget all the money we are wasting here. Billions spend on Iraq, billions that could have been used to help Americans instead. Billions that will go to waste and corruption when this whole thing falls apart. This war stinks, king bush really stinks and people who support this failed war and failure of a king really really stink.. Wake up motherfuckers...

Posted by: dee on November 1, 2006 at 1:59 PM | PERMALINK

We have to leave to win. Sorry it couldn't be the military victory you were so hard up for. But a win is a win, right?

Posted by: elmo on November 1, 2006 at 2:04 PM | PERMALINK

I find it interesting that the Bush administration wants to focus on the words of a Senator on the campaign trail in California while virtually every intelligent observer believes that the "stay the course" effort in Iraq is putting our troops in harms way.

If the President is actually concerned for our troops, why doesn't he admit his administration's mistakes and focus his energy on crafting a new war strategy rather than a new political strategy...but that would require him to be less concerned with political power and more concerned with protecting our troops...troops he enjoys waving around like a cheap campaign sign when he thinks that will win him votes...the same troops that died in near record numbers in October in a war the President declared we had won more than two years ago.

Read more here:

www.thoughttheater.com

Posted by: Daniel DiRito on November 1, 2006 at 2:06 PM | PERMALINK

craigie you will have to check with Charlie Rangle if you hope for a draft to be instituted. Besides the Army made their recuitment goals filled with John Kerry's dumb soldiers.

Kerry had a freudian slip of what every liberal really thinks about all of the soldiers in Iraq.

I wonder if the lack of support from people back home has anything to do with the rising trouble in Iraq? Of course not! The answer is always about Bush.

Keep Kerry on the Campaign trial! Keep speaking out John!

Posted by: Orwell on November 1, 2006 at 2:07 PM | PERMALINK

I'm not sure about your pseudo-math...the point to which I assume you refer is "pre-samarra". when is that exactly? 8 months ago when we screwed up there? 5 years ago? dark ages? that slide is completely hopeless if you look at it closely. there is just one bit on it that means something in english: "violence at all-time high" together with the date of the slide. fortunately that is enough if people were paying attention.

Posted by: supersaurus on November 1, 2006 at 2:07 PM | PERMALINK

Bwaaah!
Revenge of REAL soldiers


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1730016/posts

Posted by: Orwell on November 1, 2006 at 2:10 PM | PERMALINK

By attacking Kerry, whose words by the way were taken way out of context, they were a shot at the president and not at the troops serving, the GOP has shown how desperate they are. It will backfire. What's to gain from attacking JFKerry? At least he is actually a political leader who fought in a war and didn't go to great measures to skip out on service. I guess it an attempt to influence or cater to those who don't look at the context of words and just listen to what Bush spewes and doesn't follow up or investigate at all. You got the "dummies" vote I guess, but you probably did before all this anyways... The GOP tried this in the Senate race in VA by trying to quote things from Webb that he wrote in a book but not including the context of the statements. Talk about cherry picking. Give me any book ever written and I could pull a statement out of it and spin it to make it look like they are saying something else. Come on. The GOP is getting very very desperate. For good reasons though because in a week we will have a paralyzed president who will be unable to do any further damage.

Posted by: dee on November 1, 2006 at 2:17 PM | PERMALINK

Thanks, Confidence Man, for referencing Tufte. He would indeed use this in one of his lectures on the visual display of information.

I disagree, tho, that the main thing wrong with this is too many bullet points. This is a graph, I do think, and you can graph many points to convey information.

I think the worst thing about this chart is that some of its labels are not clear. "Political/religious leaders INCREASE public hostile rhetoric" is a routine indicator of peace? This item would probably be better stated as "Political/religious leaders USE public hostile rhetoric."

Also, with the indicators in either relatively good colors of yellow and green outnumbering the indicators in the bad colors of orange and red, with the key indicators being mostly good, and with only one, not key, indicator in red, it's unclear why the arrow is moving to the right.

I would suggest there need to be two columns of indicators, "last week" and "current" to actually convey the information of movement in each indicator.

Although the graph is not as good as it could be, it still does convey some depressing information about the situation in Iraq.

Posted by: Cal Gal on November 1, 2006 at 2:23 PM | PERMALINK


orwell: The liberal solution to every problem is "just put it off for another generation." Quitting now will just push the consequences to the next generation.


We never had enough troops on the ground to keep order in Iraq, and both George Bush and Donald Rumsfeld knew it. - Paul Bremer 1/8/06

Posted by: mr. irony on November 1, 2006 at 2:25 PM | PERMALINK

I wonder if the lack of support from people back home has anything to do with the rising trouble in Iraq? Of course not! The answer is always about Bush.

Please explain this magical process by which "lack of support" by Americans in, say, Milwaukee, Wisconsin for the war somehow enables Shiite militias to kidnap and kill to their heart's content. I'd love to see the causal connection.

The truth is that Bush has gotten every soldier and every dollar he's ever asked for to run this war. The war is being run exactly the way Bush wanted it, and no wish of his has been denied by the Congress.

Oh, and one thing that may be contributing to rising trouble in Iraq is that the US military is providing American taxpayer bought weapons to the various factions. Think that has anything to do with it? Of course not!

Posted by: Stefan on November 1, 2006 at 2:34 PM | PERMALINK

Keep Kerry on the Campaign trial! Keep speaking out John!

Absolutely. And let the White House and their bully boy apologists keep attacking Kerry, because that keeps the issue of Iraq front and center. And as we know, the more attention voters pay to the fiasco in Iraq, the worse the GOP will do next week. So keep attacking Kerry! Keep all eyes on the Iraq War!

Posted by: Stefan on November 1, 2006 at 2:36 PM | PERMALINK

Kevin,

You are way-y-y too easy on the Republican reptiles and the catastrophe that is Iraq. A few examples:

Training of Iraqi security forces could take decades. Read the third to last paragraph. Every Democratic candidate in America should have that quote in their campaign literature. Do we want to continue to spend $1 billion per week for 40 years???

How about this cheery note? Baghdad is under siege , 1,000 people per week are dying violently in Iraq and the American people are not even being told about it!

And finally, the risks associated with depleted uranium munitions risk are being ignored by British and U.S. governments. Big surprise.

In short, Bush and his gang of incompetents have turned Iraq into a living hell on Earth. Mission Accomplished, George!!!

Posted by: The Conservative Deflator on November 1, 2006 at 2:47 PM | PERMALINK

Stefan writes:

Absolutely. And let the White House and their bully boy apologists keep attacking Kerry, because that keeps the issue of Iraq front and center.

My thinking exactly. Even as Kerry is defending himself, he can lob a few shots at Bush. "Bush won't talk about the real issue.." "Bush is the one who should be apologizing for botching Iraq.."

Stay on the campaign trail, John.

Posted by: Andy on November 1, 2006 at 2:52 PM | PERMALINK

If you mark off the entire scale in units from 0-100, the "Chaos Quotient" has increased from 55 to 81 in the past eight months, an increase of slightly more than 3 points per month. So how long until we hit 100 at the current rate?

Kevin, an admirable effort, but your approach fails to take in the paradoxical nature of the situation: Iraq will always be "approaching" or "edging closer to" or "on the verge of" chaos or civil war, but never actually in it. So the scale must be marked off in Zenoic units, each half the size of the one preceding it.

On the fourth anniversary of the invasion, Iraq will still be "on the brink" of collapse.

I'm praying that in December Maliki's government will decline to ask for a renewal of the UN resolution that purports to authorize the US occupation. Otherwise, troops will be there until the supply lines are cut.

Posted by: Nell on November 1, 2006 at 2:55 PM | PERMALINK

"Also, with the indicators in either relatively good colors of yellow and green outnumbering the indicators in the bad colors of orange and red, with the key indicators being mostly good, and with only one, not key, indicator in red, it's unclear why the arrow is moving to the right."

Read the key of what the little circle, square, triangle, and diamond icon's mean. Their colors are not related to the color gradient in the "index of civil conflict".

Green circle would only be good if the item it was next to was good, and both of the items with it on the slide are bad.

Posted by: jefff on November 1, 2006 at 2:55 PM | PERMALINK

Orwell wrote: "The reason we are losing must be due to the fact that all of our soldiers are dropouts and losers. John Kerry's assesment must be correct."

The correct assessment is that you are a dropout and a loser. You are a stupid, ignorant dumbass who is incapable of doing anything but slavishly regurgitating the turds that you gobble from Rush Limbaugh's stinking toilet bowl and the bile that you slurp from the toxic sewer that is Fox News. You are a pathetic little creep.

As such, you are the perfect spokesperson for the Republican Party of today -- the party of dropouts, losers and ignorant dumbass neo-brownshirt mental slaves.

Posted by: SecularAnimist on November 1, 2006 at 2:57 PM | PERMALINK

"Their colors are not related to the color gradient in the "index of civil conflict"."

Which, by the way, is fantastically awful figure design.

If the color doesn't mean something it should not be there and those four categories don't make much sense anyway.

Posted by: jefff on November 1, 2006 at 3:02 PM | PERMALINK

The quitters are out in full force here today.

When did you join up, "Orwell"?

Oh, I get it ... you were never in the game, were you?

Dishonest schmuck...which is, after all, all Kevin gets in the way of trolls, any more.

Posted by: Gregory on November 1, 2006 at 3:03 PM | PERMALINK

"Orwell" cites FreeRepublic. Imagine my surprise.

Posted by: Gregory on November 1, 2006 at 3:05 PM | PERMALINK

Nell: great post.

I think a "Friedman Unit" may very well the Zenoic particle science has been looking for. While theoretically six months long, when observed in the real world they exhibit the unusual property of never advancing more than halfway toward a goal. Even more strange, it seems that they're even able to move backwards in time depending on the level of scrutiny they're subjected to.

Posted by: trex on November 1, 2006 at 3:08 PM | PERMALINK

When the war finally collapses on us next year, and even George Bush can't deny reality any longer, it will be the new Democratic Congress who will get the blame. "We were winning until Nancy Pelosi took over!"

Posted by: Speed on November 1, 2006 at 3:08 PM | PERMALINK

CLICK THE LINK. ALWAYS CLICK THE LINK.

Oh, it really does say that Iraq is getting worse. Maybe that's why Al hasn't posted anything yet.

Posted by: Gully Foyle on November 1, 2006 at 3:09 PM | PERMALINK

Listen here, I'm the decider, not a divider, and I gets to decide when we leave Iraq, NOT YOU! And we ain't leavin' Iraq until angels fly out of my ass and Jesus done calls me up on his golden phone and tells me that them Iraqis have accepted him as their Savior and favorite philosopher.

Posted by: George W. Bush on November 1, 2006 at 3:12 PM | PERMALINK

Americans are amoral cretins.

Posted by: Name on November 1, 2006 at 3:29 PM | PERMALINK

enozinho complained that I was absent from this thread, so here goes:

I fully agree with Kevin. Things are getting worse in Iraq. The police are corrupt and getting corrupter. The government is protecting the Mahdi Army. The way we're fighting this war, we are going to lose it.

Unfortuntately, the Dems are completely out to lunch. All they're interested in is making George Bush wrong. I wish Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid would promulgate a revised policy that would be more likely to work. I wish John Kerry would use his military wisdom to espouse some strategy that Bush hasn't thought of, instead of insulting the military.

Sadly, the Dems aren't even in the game. They have expressed no idea of how to win in Iraq. In fact, many of them talk about how best to lose in Iraq: Should we pull out in a year? Six months? Withdraw to far-off bases?

So, voters have an unpleasant choice, regarding this vitally important war: One political party is trying to win, but their strategy isn't working. The other party doesn't even want to try.

Put in other terms: one party is under the delusion that their strategy is working. The other party is under the delusion that there would be no adverse consequences if terrorists took over Iraq.

Posted by: ex-liberal on November 1, 2006 at 4:18 PM | PERMALINK

Many Dems have come up with strategies for Iraq. Look to the one in DEL. He has one. The sad thing is there is NO strategy to win in Iraq. We can't win in Iraq. How can we win if we can't even decide on the reason we went there? Iraq cannot be subdued as long as our troops are there. Our presence fuels the fire. Also, the repubs. are trying to win but your wrong, its not that their strategy isn't working its that they don't have a strategy. They never did. So your wrong there. Bush doesn't have a strategy. In regards to your last comment, didn't we just oust a so called terrorist who was in control of Iraq? The only adverse consequence would be the country would be more stable then it currently is. We should leave right now.

Posted by: dee on November 1, 2006 at 4:31 PM | PERMALINK

Corrupter? Thats a perfectly cromulent word, I guess.

Posted by: Global Citizen on November 1, 2006 at 4:37 PM | PERMALINK

enozinho complained that I was absent from this thread

I doubt anyone misses, or is interested in, your disonest bullshit.

Posted by: Gregory on November 1, 2006 at 4:40 PM | PERMALINK

"ex-liberal" wrote: All [the Democrats are] interested in is making George Bush wrong.

No, Bush has proven he's more than capable of being wrong without the Democrats.

Posted by: Gregory on November 1, 2006 at 4:42 PM | PERMALINK

Globe:

Cromulent? I would have described it as snarfidious, myself.

Bob

Posted by: rmck1 on November 1, 2006 at 4:45 PM | PERMALINK

ex-liberal:
"The other party is under the delusion that there would be no adverse consequences if terrorists took over Iraq."

You have got to be kidding. You're wrong about that being the most likely result of the U.S. leaving Iraq. It's more likely to be a bloody civil war ending with the country being controlled by a fundamentalist strong man with connections to Iran. Whatever happens to Iraq now, it will be inhumane and dangerous to the stability of the Middle East.

It's the prospect of all the horrible possibilities in Iraq that has us Democrats angrier than most of us can ever remember being in our lives. Because WE TOLD YOU SO! WE TOLD YOU SO! We haven't forgotten that the burning building you mock us for not being able to save was stuffed with oily rags, sprinkled with accelerants and lit on fire by Republicans.

And don't tell us about the Democrats who voted for war. They DIDN'T vote for war. They voted to trust the president with the power to threaten military action in order to get WMD inspectors into Iraq. They did not foresee that he would decide to kick the inspectors out and use the power they trusted him with to pursue his neocon hobby of nation-building.

If you tell me they should have known better than to trust lying, stupid Republicans, I can only agree with you.

Posted by: cowalker on November 1, 2006 at 5:00 PM | PERMALINK

All they're interested in is making George Bush wrong.

Just like Bush, you're confusing tactics with strategy.

Posted by: asdfg on November 1, 2006 at 5:08 PM | PERMALINK

cowalker: You're wrong about that being the most likely result of the U.S. leaving Iraq. It's more likely to be a bloody civil war ending with the country being controlled by a fundamentalist strong man with connections to Iran. Whatever happens to Iraq now, it will be inhumane and dangerous to the stability of the Middle East.

You might be right, cowalker.

It's the prospect of all the horrible possibilities in Iraq that has us Democrats angrier than most of us can ever remember being in our lives. Because WE TOLD YOU SO! WE TOLD YOU SO! We haven't forgotten that the burning building you mock us for not being able to save was stuffed with oily rags, sprinkled with accelerants and lit on fire by Republicans.

And don't tell us about the Democrats who voted for war. They DIDN'T vote for war.

cowalker, I don't care if the Dems voted for war or not. I don't care if the Dems are angry. What I care about is what to do now.

You and I agree that if the government of Iraq fails, the conseuences are likely to be horrible. I wish the Dems would get over being angry and get over the "I told you so" phase and start dealing with the situation as it is today.

Posted by: ex-liberal on November 1, 2006 at 5:10 PM | PERMALINK

ex-liberal:

Dealing with the situation today = fire the people in charge.

Bob

Posted by: rmck1 on November 1, 2006 at 5:29 PM | PERMALINK

Cromulent is a Simpsons word, Bob. But I like yours too.

Posted by: Global Citizen on November 1, 2006 at 5:31 PM | PERMALINK

Bob - after you fire the people, then what?

Posted by: ex-liberal on November 1, 2006 at 5:31 PM | PERMALINK

Getting rid of a lot of these chumps just might be a step toward restorign American credibility, and I'll take it. At least it's a start. Get them out before they fuck anything else up.

Posted by: Global Citizen on November 1, 2006 at 5:38 PM | PERMALINK

Kerry Apologizes to Troops, Families for 'My Poorly Stated Joke'

why not yesterday

Posted by: lenny on November 1, 2006 at 5:48 PM | PERMALINK

Are there 365 "toms" in a Friedman?

If so, there are only 52 more "toms" in which to shop before Christmas.

And only 4 more "toms" until Chopping Day at the polls.

Posted by: thethirdPaul on November 1, 2006 at 5:57 PM | PERMALINK

Bob - after you fire the people, then what?

You hire competent people to replace them, you jackass.

Posted by: Stefan on November 1, 2006 at 6:04 PM | PERMALINK

cowalker, I don't care if the Dems voted for war or not.

Strange, then, that you keep lying about it, even after having your lie pointed out to you numerous times.

Posted by: Stefan on November 1, 2006 at 6:05 PM | PERMALINK

I wish the Dems would get over being angry and get over the "I told you so" phase and start dealing with the situation as it is today.

Hey, I wish the Republicans would get over being wrong and get over the "we're not responsible even though it's all our fault" blame shifting and start dealing with the situation as it is today.

I also wish I had a pony.

Posted by: Stefan on November 1, 2006 at 6:08 PM | PERMALINK

Stefan: You hire competent people to replace them.

Do the Dems really have a bench full of competent people? They have Sandy Berger, who hid classified documents in his socks and then destroyed them. John Kerry, who helped demoralize the troops by telling them they're ignorant losers. Jack Murtha, who suggested we pull all our troops out and station them in Okinawa 5,000 miles away, where he claimed they'd still be effective in fighting Iraqi insurgents.

But, let's assume for the sake of argument that the Dems can find competent people. The bottom line question remains: what do these new leaders do?

Posted by: ex-liberal on November 1, 2006 at 6:25 PM | PERMALINK

ex-liberal wrote: "What I care about is what to do now."

From your comments here it is evident that all you care about is spewing RNC-scripted talking points about how horrible Democrats are, under the transparently phony RNC-scripted pretense of being a former "liberal".

Posted by: SecularAnimist on November 1, 2006 at 6:32 PM | PERMALINK

Stefan - Bush has a strategy. He encouraged elections and got a Constitution and an elected government. We helped train 312,400 Iraqi security forces. Now Bush is supporting Maliki, even when Maliki seems to be taking orders from al Sadr. Our troops are continuing to fight insurgents and al Qaeda, with some success.

This strategy appears not to be working. It needs to be replaced with something better. If the Dems offered something better, I could be convinced to vote for them. But, if the Dems offer nothing except personnel changes, then they are not a serious political party. I would rather follow a dubious strategy than no strategy at all.

Posted by: ex-liberal on November 1, 2006 at 6:35 PM | PERMALINK

The last post (6:25PM) from "ex-liberal" demonstrates that he is by far the stupidest, lamest, most obviously fake and phony Republican troll to ever slavishly regurgitate Rush Limbaugh talking points on this site. And under the hilarious pretense of being a former "liberal", no less! What a pathetic stooge.

Posted by: SecularAnimist on November 1, 2006 at 6:38 PM | PERMALINK

See, I got a strategery! Ex-liberal said so.

I dont think I like that part about it not workin though. I think mister ex-librull wants to see Amuricans get hurt by them terraists. More impordant, he wants to see me fail.

Posted by: George W. Bush on November 1, 2006 at 6:41 PM | PERMALINK

ex-liberal wrote: "I would rather follow a dubious strategy than no strategy at all."

You'd rather type scripted talking points from a Republican propaganda fax than think.

Brain-dead morons like you are all the Republican Party has left. Anyone with even half a brain who ever supported Bush or the Republican Party has jumped ship.


Posted by: SecularAnimist on November 1, 2006 at 6:41 PM | PERMALINK

ex-liberal: This strategy appears not to be working.

Really? Such keen insight into world affairs. Oh but that we all had steel trap minds like yours. BTW, how long did it take you to figure that out?

It needs to be replaced with something better.

How about the Kenny Rogers strategy: know when to fold. When you've been dealt as bad a hand as not-so-curious George has dealt, there is no other serious option.

Posted by: alex on November 1, 2006 at 7:04 PM | PERMALINK

Ex-liberal, I assume you are aware that Bush is still responsible for foreign policy for the next 2 years 3 months. Other than cutting off funding for the war (which will never happen), Congress has little influence over Iraq.

Posted by: Speed on November 1, 2006 at 7:05 PM | PERMALINK

Speed: Ex-liberal, I assume you are aware that Bush is still responsible for foreign policy for the next 2 years 3 months. Other than cutting off funding for the war (which will never happen), Congress has little influence over Iraq.

Speed, Congress can affect policy in Iraq in many ways. That's why so many Congressmen and Senators visit Iraq. They can call attention to problems and call for solutions, like the need for more body armor. They can call for withdrawal, as Jack Murtha did. They can call for additional troops, as McCain has done.

Furthermore, candidates can take whatever stand they want. The Dems could run on a policy of withdrawing from Iraq, as alex suggests. Or, increasing troop strength, as McCain says. Or, overthrowing Maliki and imposing a military dictatorship, as a columnist recommended today. http://www.nypost.com/seven/11012006/postopinion/opedcolumnists/iraqs_new_secret_police_opedcolumnists_ralph_peters.htm

But, the Dems seem to have no policy at all in mind. Simply not being Republicans may be enough to do well in this election. But, in the long run, the Dems have to decide what they stand for in the WoT.

Posted by: ex-liberal on November 1, 2006 at 7:18 PM | PERMALINK

props to the military, because if they can make sense of that slide, they're obviously way smarted than kerry sez.

i mean seriously, i'm getting a headache just looking at it.

Posted by: snuh on November 1, 2006 at 7:32 PM | PERMALINK

ex - Ever heard of a gentleman by the name of Ike Skelton? There is a Democrat with some defense department authority, just for starters.

Posted by: Global Citizen on November 1, 2006 at 8:53 PM | PERMALINK

Global Citizen: Ever heard of a gentleman by the name of Ike Skelton? There is a Democrat with some defense department authority, just for starters.

Based on Skelton's biography, he's a lawyer and the ranking Democrat on the House Armed Services Committee. Sounds like he'd be qualified to hold a high position in the Defence Department.

However, nothing in his brief biography sounds like he has some unique ability to find a way to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat in Iraq. On paper, he's no more qualified than Donald Rumsfeld.

Posted by: ex-liberal on November 1, 2006 at 9:16 PM | PERMALINK

Except he is a hell of a lot more intelligent and thoughtful.

Posted by: Global Citizen on November 1, 2006 at 9:33 PM | PERMALINK

As long as we're having fun with questionable (if not totally ridiculous) mathematical models, try fitting a nonlinear regression model to our rather sparse data points. I keep coming up with the chaos index hitting 100 sometime between Thanksgiving and Christmas.

Posted by: WatchfulBabbler on November 1, 2006 at 10:48 PM | PERMALINK

More to the point, how long until it hits 36,000?

Oh wait, that was the Dow.

Never mind.

Posted by: roseanna roseannadanna on November 2, 2006 at 12:13 AM | PERMALINK

I would rather follow a dubious strategy than no strategy at all.

Shorter ex-liberal: I'd rather follow the guy who'll fuck it up than the guy who'll not fuck it up.

Posted by: Stefan on November 2, 2006 at 12:25 AM | PERMALINK

The thing is the situation is so screwed up now that there's probably nothing the U.S. could do to fix it. In other words it's FUBAR. Thanks Georgie.

Good luck Democrats!

Posted by: FUBAR on November 2, 2006 at 1:20 AM | PERMALINK

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Posted by: 手机图片 on November 2, 2006 at 2:10 AM | PERMALINK

I know Republicans lied and goaded us into a war in Iraq. I know Republicans let Osama get away. I know Republicans fucked up Iraq and continue to do so. I know they didn't invade with enough troops. I know they did not have a plan for winning after Bagdad fell. I know they disbanded the Iraqi army and didn't secure the weapons depots. I know they squandered billions of dollars on no-bid contracts and construction projects that were never completed. I know they sent the troops over without the proper body armor and equipment. I know that the plant constructing up amored HUMVEES was operating at 80% capacity until the fall of 2004. I know they contracted with companies that had no experience providing intelligence, logistics or media expertise because they were run by Republican donors. I know they staffed the CPA with Heritage interns and political hacks who had no idea what they were doing. I know they replace Jay Garner because he wasn't a Bush supplicant. I know they detained and torture random Iraqis and thus lost the battle for hearts and minds. I know they were more concerned with privatizing Iraqi resources then getting the economy back on its feet. I know they ignored the State Departments reconstruction plan. I know they sped up the writing of the Iraqi constitution and the elections for domestic political reasons. I know they have no idea what to do next. I know they are responsible for the biggest foreign policy blunder of the last 50 years. Yet it is the Democrats fault because they have not issued operation orders to our military.

Posted by: ex-liberal on November 2, 2006 at 5:15 AM | PERMALINK

The GOP bushbots HATED it when Clinton stood up to the GOP Media. The bushbots hated it when Kerry made fun of their inept Dysfunctional Deity, Bush Alrighty. They hate it when Olbermann comes out in an eloquent speech about the stupid immoral people who are Republicans.

They hate it when Democrats hold their feet to the fire. Keep it up. Hold these damn Republicans accountable. The President, Rumsfeld- and yes- the moron down your street with the W bumper sticker. Don't let them shout you down. Their incompetent and corrupt sexual harassment of Lady Liberty is OVER.

Posted by: Fade on November 2, 2006 at 3:05 PM | PERMALINK




 

 

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