I guess he is doing a heckuva job...
Where do they get these laughable maroons from?

My favorite new blogger is Mario Loyola over at The Corner

Geez Kevin, you're a real masochist aren't you? Come to think of it, by reposting Loyola's blather for us you're quite the sadist also.

I love this guy! He's the perfect symbol of fin-de-siecle right-wing nutjobbery.

"Respect for the troops" is now the central issue of the Iraq war! Democrats should be asked whether they respect the sacrifice of our troops! That'll stonker 'em!

Kevin, you undestand NOTHING. The troops WANT to sacrifice for Bush's vision of a new Middle East. The troops WANT to sacrifice for freedom in Iraq. The troops WANT to sacrifice for democracy in Iraq. Why do you think Americans joined the Army in the first place? It's believe they agree with Bush's policies in the Middle East and are willing to sacrifice themselves for the policies. Republicans respect the troops and that's why they want to stay the course in Iraq - just like the troops want to. Democrats don't respect the troops and that's why they want to cut and run even though troops don't want to cut and run. Why do you have such problems with understanding our troops devotion to George W Bush's vision? Just because you don't share it doesn't mean our troops don't. As usual you are blinded by your ideological correctness that other people MUST believe everything you believe.

Probably the best answer for anyone who cares, and especially the Democrats, to give on Iraq is: Follow Fareed Zakaria's plan as outlined in Newsweek. But notice the irony of this jerk seeming to care about the troops, but taking them foremost as fodder for political gamesmanship.

But honest now- did liberals want the US to win this war? I don't think so.

shorter mhr... I don't think

Speaking of lack of education, there was a breathtaking op-ed today from David Brooks in the Times. It was basically a rip-off of an Elie Kedourie book about Iraq and the difficulties the British had there earlier this century due to the Shi'ite-Sunni split, tribal conflicts and so on. It was just about the best description of why we hever should have invaded Iraq that I could imagine. Made me remember than anybody who knew anything about the British experience there counseled against the war. Made it clear to me that if Bush, Brooks and their compatriots had had any education in this stuff, we might not be "stuck" in Iraq.

The most aggravating part about Brooks, of course, was that he blithely overlooked the point that any idiot should have known better to topple Saddam and unleash the furies that were tethered in Iraq. His point was, well, "It's hard work in Iraq, so we've just gotta keep doing it, forever and ever ...." On the other hand, the British got out, didn't they? Brooks forgot that part. Guess a little education is a dangerous thing.

me thinks mhr is on drugs, and I should know cos I created that damn thing.

BTT, this Loyola guy has a wonderful list of successes on his resume. Check it out, everything he has been involved with over time has not worked out in the best interest of Americans. That's the bad news, the good news is that maybe he will carry his killer touch with him to the corner as well.

And don't forget this gem of Mario's logic from a little farther down the page:

"the Democrats do not support what our troops are fighting for and are embarrassed by the troops' dedication and sacrifice and hence they do not support the troops. And I am of the opinion that we should clobber them with that ruthlessly until the day of the election — just like we did in '04 —because it is the most basic reason they deserve to lose."

Kedourie's book, mentioned above, which Brooks seems recently to have discovered, was published in 1970 or so.

Well, we laugh at things like this. But I am willing to bet that Democratic candidates will be hit with exactly these false-choice questions between now and next Tuesday morning. By their political opponents, by Radical talk show hosts, and also by the (conservative) traditional media.

In other words, this smells like a focus group test / dog whistle broadcast to me.

Cranky

Anyone who thinks Kerry was trying to insult the troops and not Bush is willfully stupid.

That said, there is no shame in admitting the obvious. The war IS being fought largely by those who enlisted "because of their lack of economic and social opportunity back home." Not exclusively, but largely.

Where are the children of the upper classes? Not in Iraq, that's for damn sure.

Mario Loyola sounds like a porn star name.

Lets define "Cut and Run." Cut and run is only an option when a pitched battle is being lost and falling back to regroup is the only way out of it alive.

Occupiers do not get to "Cut and Run" they get to withdraw, and they always do, eventually.

mhr:

The liberals didn't think such a war was winnable to begin with.

And on that point, all we can do is loudly proclaim:

TOLDJA SO !!!

Sheesh.

Bob

Perhaps all Republican candidates should be asked whether they agree with these Bush jokes.

Better to draw attention to the fact that Republicans have nothing else to rally around.

How about we ask the troops if they want to go home in defeat. I served and I would imagine that vote would be a landslide. Sure it's noice to save face, but coming home in one piece is probably about 100 times more important to the troops then going home in defeat.

did liberals want the US to win this war?

We wanted to win in Afghanistan and stay the fuck out of Iraq, rather than lose two. How many times do we have to repeat this?

I think all the flap over the Kerry "botched joke" is very distracting and pointless. He's not the first person with intent to say one thing and come out saying something completely unintended and misinterpreted. However, I would like to say that Republicans, Democrats, Independents, Libertarians, etc. should learn at least one lesson from this current election cycle - it's probably not too wise to place any hope or trust in someone who graduated from Yale [as regrettably both Bush and Kerry did with C averages.]

Mario Loyola = Al.

They read exactly alike - although if Loyola wants to perfect the style, he's gotta use some caps and say 'click the link' occasionally.

Otherwise, pretty much identical.

"Cs at Yale"

But, at least, Shrub bought his gift certificate MBA from Hallowed Harvard.

Here's an idea for Republicans; how about saying we support the mission but not the soldiers? No that is as illogical as saying you support the soldiers and not the mission.

The simple fact is that liberals do not care if their words are used as a weapon to torture American POWs or if the men and women on the front line hear their inflamitory distortions or jokes about their intellegence.

After all liberals don't seem to mind if their words are encouraging snipers to make video tapes of themselves killing American soldiers. Just keep the video of the twin towers out of sight and make sure every good story about the kindness military men and women are showing to Iraqis are ignored routinly.

John Kerry's fatheaded comment is simply the echo of what is see many liberals on this blog say every day.

The left will take any lousy person or vile video to undermine everything in Iraq.

No, I guess we can't really seperate the mission from the troops can we?

Halp us Jon Carry we R stuck hear n Irak

Loyola is just another foundation subsidized apparachik. He is full of opinions, but there is nothing in his background to suggest ant of those opinions were formed by doing anything in the fields he has opinions about.

This is a common characteristic among "analysts" in the "Policy Community." They become the Richard Perle's of this world -- all theory, no experience. The could be dismissed a harmless ideologues until you remember they are the folks who got us into this situation in Iraq. Loyola is becom ing well-known simply for being ... well-known. So was Zaza Gabor. but no one took her seriously.

Isn't a measure of respect letting someone live? I mean, I would much rather that someone call me an idiot than kill me.

And Bush is killing our troops.

Orwell:

Mmmm .... that was good, wasn't it.

Dutch Boy or Sherwin Williams? :)

Bob

We wanted to win in Afghanistan and stay the fuck out of Iraq, rather than lose two. How many times do we have to repeat this?

It is a waste of breath to repeat that point, because the wingnuttery will never get it.

I know. But I just can't let their bullshit spin pass without setting it straight for the lurkers.

Orwell:

How, exactly, do you define victory in Iraq?

Bob

Bob -

Perhaps a Club Med on the Med?

Smooth move, Orwell. When an officer calls you on your bullshit, just switch threads and keep repeating the same bullshit.

What we expect from the foam-flecked 30%. THanks for not disappointing us.

You can support the soldiers without supporting the mission, your laothsome, feckless, mouth-breathing, knuckle-dragging buffoon.

We support the troops by opposing cuts in military benefits, whic this president and the publican congress is all for.

We support the troops by opposing cuts to Vet Centers that provide the necessary mental health counseling for 1-in-4 returnees who need readjustment help.

We support the troops by opposing a failed policy.

We support the troops when we are outraged at $20 million being set aside for a victory party for wars that are being lost while funding for rehab from and research into traumatic brain injuries are cut.

We support the troops by opposign cuts to the VA and increases in Tricare deductibles and co-pays.

You better bring a better game, chump, or go to a right-wing echo-chamber.

AL AH and Charlie walk into a bar.OH never mind they won't get the joke anyway.The don't get much of anything.

THis guy has read too many Perry Mason mysteries. He thinks he gets to put Democrats on the stand and insist that they only answer yes or no. It nevr seems to occur to him that it might go more like this:

Q: Do you "think the troops are in Iraq because (a) they are committed to the mission and want to win or (b) because of their lack of economic and social opportunity back home. "

A: The troops are dying in the pointless quagmire in Iraq because Bush lied to the American people about WMDs, and mismanaged every aspect of the war after so-called "Mision Accomplished."

but if they got laid occasionally...

Bush walks up to a couch and asks the couch,Is there any WMD's under there, the couch says no,Bush walks over to his desk and asks his desk is there any WMD's under there ,the desk says no.Get it ha h ah hah hah ha hha ha

Globe:

Hey, at least you've gotta give Jay, c-nut (who I genuinely do miss), rdw -- hell, even ol' Norman -- credit for hanging around after they've crapped in the punchbowl ...

As I said last thread, I don't think Orwell has the requisite je ne sais qua to deal with the requisite fallout.

Withing huffing a little something first, that is :)

Bob

Oh someone shoot me for that infelicitous redundancy ...

Bob

Three words:

Flag draped coffins

Getting the troops home ALIVE is supporting the troops!!!!!

Y'all may have already seen this but there's a report card out by the non-partisan veterans group IAVA on our congress-critters. Guess which party as a block ranks worst? Yep, the Rethugs. They talk a good game when it comes to the military, but when given the chance to vote for us... not so much.

The lowest grade a Democrat gets is a B- (for Ben Nelson). The highest grade for a Rethug? That would be a C, and from there it's a race to the bottom with most of them getting D's and F's. There's your respect.

Mario Loyola: Wanker.

MHR: I don't think.....

"I don't think.....anybody anticipated the level of violence that we've encountered.." - VP Dick Cheney 6/19/06

"I don't think.....anybody anticipated the breach of the levees..." - President GWB 9/1/05

"I don't think....anybody could have predicted that these people would take an airplane and...use an airplane as a missile." - National Security Advisor Dr. Condoleezza Rice 5/16/02

.
see the pattern?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uh4U-Tbqbx4

Why every Democrat doesn't use or reference this performance by Mr. Bush is beyond me. What a jerk to revel in our troops fighting for a lie that the president uses as a basis for jokes. Quite a man!

mhr: did liberals want the US to win this war?

1991 invasion - 400k troops

2003 invasion - 150k troops

and rummy had to be talked into 150k...

gwb says its a battle for civilization...

with just 150k troops?

did bush, cheney, rummy and the gop want the US to win this war?

doesn't look like it

Kevin,

Yes men like Loyola are exactly the reason the republicans are looking at 30+ seat losses in a week.

Yes man is not strong enough. Kool-aid drinkers? too weak. Evagenlical Bush Cultists? Almost right. Evangelical implies too much of a tie to Christianity. Fanatical Bush Cultist? Better. Any suggestions on naming this kind of dangerously clueless advocate from Washington Monthly readers are welcome.

Can we sacrific Al?

orwell: Here's an idea for Republicans; how about saying we support the mission but not the soldiers? No that is as illogical as saying you support the soldiers and not the mission.

"You can support the troops and not the president." - GOP Majority Whip Tom DeLay (R-TX) 1999

No, no, no.

I am everyone's favorite.

Get it right liberals, or shut your yaps.

orwell: The left will take any lousy person or vile video to undermine everything in Iraq.

pot..kettle...black...

NORMAN ?

I hope that's really you and not some silly spoofer.

I've missed you so terribly ... *sniff* :)

Bob

thomas 2.0: Bush walks up to a couch and asks the couch,Is there any WMD's under there, the couch says no,Bush walks over to his desk and asks his desk is there any WMD's under there ,the desk says no.Get it ha h ah hah hah ha hha ha

you forgot the punch line....

2818-dead americans and counting...

and roughly 350-billion spent and counting..

take my sec. of defense...please!

Why every Democrat doesn't use or reference this performance by Mr. Bush is beyond me. What a jerk to revel in our troops fighting for a lie that the president uses as a basis for jokes.

What's almost as disgusting as Bush's little joke about not finding WMDs is the laughter he gets from the crowd.

Because President Bush and the Rebublicans and Democrats in Congress used war to solve the problem of stateless organizations waging terror against us, the ability to solve the problem was lost.

No amount of support for the mission or the troops can solve this problem because it was not a military problem. Using the military to solve a criminal justice problem automatically meant the cause would alienate the indigenous peoples where it was fought, we put our soldiers in harm's way without a definition of success, and the expense of fighting an ill-conceived war would be enormous.

Once the 'war' was begun, it was lost. Bush, Republicans, Democrats, the soldiers and the electorate are all to blame for following the emotional need to retaliate with military force after 9/11 for a problem best solved with police measures. Nothing can change that except the mass killing of indigenous peoples to make them submit to our will. The question is how many need to be killed before the rest of the population in Iraq and Afghanistan will submit. The answer is too many, yet the need to withdraw is still too politically suspect to stop the US from interferring with and exacerbating the civil strife and sectarian conflicts our incredibly stupid invasions have caused.

If we really cared about the troops, we would bring them home now. The troops really are stuck in Iraq because no one has the political will or backing to admit our militant policy was a strategic defeat and insist on immediate withdrawal.

I am reminded of the Blazing Saddles character who threatens to pull the trigger on himself.

"Support Bush or he will leave our troops trapped in Iraqi hell!"

I hope that's really you and not some silly spoofer.

As if on cue, the greatest of all liberal commenters on Kevin Drum's blog appears, ready to step into a pile of steaming shit that he abandoned after squatting down to drop it on the pavement.

I guess I had better not leave, because when I do leave, he has this curious habit of declaring victory over me when there is none. Just a hint to you--one who declares victory in a thread argument is seldom ever heralded as anything other than a buffoon.

Have you rethought your position on demanding class warfare in this country? And your undying support for Jon Corzine? How do you reconcile your many intellectual failures? If you do enough backflips and leaps, do you somehow land on a consistent thought or do the voices tell you who must live and who must die? Get some help, and stop listening to those voices, man.

I envision you as being short, greasy, pale-complected, wearing black stone-washed jeans and a Members Only jacket as you stagger down to the corner market to get a jug of wine and a scratch-off ticket. Not too far off the mark, am I?

One thing is certain--rmck1 is my favourite liberal, by far.

take my sec. of defense...please!

Brilliant.

"consultant for communications and policy planning....assisted in the final preparation and roll-out of the 2005 National Defense Strategy, and worked on global energy and China issues with the policy planning staff."

In other words, another feather merchant with zero time in uniform, telling bird colonels about the strategy and tactics they saw in a Ken Burns movie.
One of these colonels is going to write one hell of a memoir of the war at home, probably titled "The Dumbest F*cking Guys on Earth."

Doesn't Loyola know why the troops are over there? They're over there because they were ordered there.

I've come up with a very simple plan that might make everyone happy with Iraq. Every time someone like Mario Loyola stands up and starts talking about supporting the troops, why don't we get that guy to switch places with one of our soldiers who's already over there. That way we'll know everyone who's over there is over there because they just want to win.

That way we'll know everyone who's over there is over there because they just want to win.
Posted by: guscat

Well, it's not that the soldiers there don't want to win, but being there may make you a wee bit more aware of the difficulties that need to be overcome to win.

But I like your idea, if nothing else it will ensure that eventually everyone serving in Iraq shares Dear Leader's delusional world view. And that's what's holding us back: not enough clapping for the tinkerbell that is our current foreign policy.

Norman, the rest of us envision you as an old, gaunt, wispy haired, liver spotted crank who has to wait for his one hour a day that he can use a computer at the public library. You rarely bathe, have overpowering halitosis, and don't clean your false teeth nearly enough. Once your hour on the computer is up you hobble home to your one room apartment with a single 40 watt bulb and an AM radio. Live it up, Norman!

No that is as illogical as saying you support the soldiers and not the mission.

The exact statement that most of the Republican Congress was saying during the Clinton administration regarding Bosnia and Somalia.

Now Orwell, don't make us post all those quotes from the 90s again.

he has this curious habit of declaring victory ...when there is none.

Oooh oooh, pick me. George W. Bush?

Global's idea of support for the soldiers is to say "They are failing miserably."
What a wonderful support system, I am sure that helps their moral. Who wouldn't want to fight for a country that jokes about their deaths and sends the message to their family members how they are dumb and spend their time killing innocent people.

Wow, if you can't win elections then undermine the war effort and encourage the enemy to film their actions so CNN can broadcast it. After all it was really George Bush who pulled the trigger to kill them not the Muslim extreemist who want to rape and murder and oppress the Iraqi people.

Here's a brilliant strategy from the chickens of the left; leave now. Oh that sounds like victory.

Victory is defined by defeat of the enemy for you dolts who can't tell the differnece between Vietnam and World War II.

Wuses who can't take an army conquering the enemy should quit stomping around like they are fighting mad. Why not give some of that hate to the actual enemy?

Liberals don't want to win the war - they don't have the stomach for it. The US Military fights a war while looking over their shoulder to see if the back stabbing liberals will cut their funding in the middle of a war.

But of course the left has no responsibilty for anything that ever goes wrong. See poster boy John Kerry for reference.

Norman, the rest of us envision you as an old, gaunt, wispy haired, liver spotted crank who has to wait for his one hour a day that he can use a computer at the public library.

That's close, but the reality is that I am 64 years old, I have all of my own hair through the miracle of an intricate hair system, I am thin, over 6 foot tall, and I have extremely powerful legs because I walk a great deal. I can kick a man half my age down three flights of stairs, with or without a wheelchair, and my lady friends worship me as a living God.

I live on an estate, I'm fairly wealthy thanks to some very lucrative business decisions and I'm as happy as a pig in shit to see liberals going down to utter defeat in a few days.

Have you shaved either armpit this century, darling? Soap and a razor might clean you up enough to get rmck1's blood boiling. I don't care for hirsute liberal women, myself.

(Two soldiers on patrol in Baghdad)

Joe: What's the matter Tom? You've been mopey for a couple days now. At water-boarding training you seemed to be just going through the motions. What's wrong?

Tom: Nothing.

Joe: It's not your paranoia about Ralph again is it? Lots of people have a lisp. They can't help it. It's like a speech impediment.

Tom: It's not that. It's Senator Kerry. He called us dumb. Now everyone will make fun of us.

Joe: Oh c'mon. Everyone knows we're not dumb. Besides he's a Democrat - it's not like he's an American or anything.

Tom: I guess.

Joe: Here, this will cheer you up. It's a picture my girl sent of a car bumper back home.

Tom: A fish? Big deal.

Joe: No. Next to the fish.

Tom: The yellow sticker?

Joe: Yeah. It's a magnetic yellow ribbon.

Tom: I get it! Like the Tony Orlando song!

Joe: There ya go.

Tom: Wow! I really do feel better.
(yelling into the dark) Bring it On Iraq!

People the likes of Orwell are the worst subversive traitors attempting to undermine America. They condone the abandoned fight against terrorists in Afghanistan, shrug off the capture or killing of Osama Bin Laden, cheer the destruction of the Constitution, support the reduction of US citizens’ personal freedoms and civil liberties, support leaders that refuse to provide the necessary resources to our military to secure victory, fight to suppress opposing viewpoints and criticism, fight to suppress freedom of the press, cheer a secretive government and blindly follow and apologize for a leadership that refuses to acknowledge mistakes, learn from experiences, or change course when present tactics and policies are clearly failing.

Norman:

Well, since this thread is called "Deep Thoughs" (facetiously), I guess we can't stray too far off topic ...

Of course you were dead wrong (I mean, there is little new under the sun) ... but allow me to return the favor, old chum:

I envision you as the black sheep scion of an old-wealth family, sequestered away in an RCA-tyrannized gated condo complex, where you annoy everyone at the association meetings with your nonstop scabrous babbling about your neighbors (who, naturally, hate your guts).

You have a trust fund and investment income (not under your control, of course), so you like to play penny stocks on AmeriTrade (eating the commision), because you think it makes you a player. But you have no one to brag to about it, so you post on blogs with pretensions of a nonexistent business career instead -- because nobody checks.

You know so much about homeless living (a favorite among your predictable menagerie of insults) because at one point you were homeless yourself for awhile, before the doctors found the right medication. You somehow managed to con yourself back into (for the umpteenth time) your family's good graces -- where it was decided that it was better for all to just give you a stipened, now that your desipsed uncle who wanted you excommunicated has passed on.

So you sit and stir in your own ripening juices, answering the door in socks and a bathrobe to pick up the restaraunt meals ordered from the delivery service you found online, which you mainly subsist on. That it's shrimp scampi from the Olive Garden in the local mall rather than Chinese takeout gives your lifestyle a certain vindication in your mind.

You do show up to RCA meetings jauntily attired in the suit you wore at the last family wedding, showered, shaved and Brylcreemed in preparation for reading your neighbors the riot act.

The tittering in the room as your make your grand entrance is audible ...

Hehe, I could go on but I think we all get the, uhh, picture here :)

Bob

I don't care for hirsute liberal women, myself.

who gives a fuck? really?

for such an old dude, you sure act like a little kid.

Because President Bush and the Rebublicans and Democrats in Congress used war to solve the problem of stateless organizations waging terror against us, the ability to solve the problem was lost.

Precisely.

Hostile, that post was exceptionally well articulated. Nice job.

Normie: I can kick a man half my age down three flights of stairs, with or without a wheelchair

Do you often kick people in wheelchairs down the stairs?

Putz.

Meanwhile those LIEberals are at it again, disrespecting the troops by exploiting their

Flag draped coffins

When are Liberals going to learn what it takes to be Americans?

Orwell: Wuses who can't take an army conquering the enemy should quit stomping around like they are fighting mad. Why not give some of that hate to the actual enemy?

So which service were you in tough guy?

10 srawmen in one thread that, has to be a record.

Do you often kick people in wheelchairs down the stairs?

Absolutely. If you get in my way, you're toast.

I had that printed on a bumper sticker, and tried to sell them as a creative thing about ten years ago, but it never took off.

The problem with you libs is that you're still waiting for the government to give you a handout. You won't work, you won't do anything for yourselves, and when a man like George W Bush comes along and changes the world for the better, you mope and whine that he didn't use any of your boneheaded ideas to do so.

In case you forgot, the American mainland hasn't been attacked in the last five years. And you wonder why you can't win elections.

Folks,

Look at the numbers. Iraq is overwelmingly unpopular. The vast majority of us (Americans of all stripes) don't believe the President has a plan. They watch in horror as elected Republcian congressmen blame the troops for our problems in Iraq while giving the civilian leadership a free pass.

Mario Loyola's meme might have worked in the first days of this fiasco, but now, not so much.

The only appropriate democratic response is to praise the troops and to tell them that help is on the way. All we have to do is provide some adult supervision for the reckless civilians who have put the lives at risk.

i am in iraq right now.
no not the friggin greenie zone.

regarding kerry:

would i be here if i had money to go to college?

well let me tell ya.....

[INSERT SUPERLOUD EXPLOSSION HERE]

[INSERT OBIT HERE]

You cannot reason with idealogues. They just repeat slogans.
1. The best way of dealing with them is humour i.e. poke fun.

2. Second best option for the humour impaired. Repeat slogans yourself.
e.g.

Bush does not know how to win wars.
He is incompetent! He cannot defeat Guam much less Iraq!

"the American mainland hasn't been attacked in the last five years. And you wonder why you can't win elections.
Posted by: Norman Rogers on November 2, 2006 at 2:57 PM | PERMALINK"

The American mainland hasn't been attacked in over 50 years, dumbass.

But wait a minute. Aren't you 'winger assholes trained to say that the influx of immigrants from Mexico is an invasion? If that's true, then Bush is doing a CRAPPY job. I'm confused.

. . . I live on an estate, I'm fairly wealthy thanks to some very lucrative business decisions. . .
Posted by: Norman Rogers on November 2, 2006 at 2:45 PM | PERMALINK

Yes, it's been pretty obvious by the things that you write that you never had to work hard for a buck in your entire rotten life.

You cannot reason with idealogues. They just repeat slogans.
1. The best way of dealing with them is humour i.e. poke fun.
2. Second best option for the humour impaired. Repeat slogans yourself.

Bwah hah hah hah hah hah!

Yes, liberals are so knee-slappingly funny. There is about as much humor around here as there is in a morgue full of zombies. This blog used to have some sharp tools but now there are nothing but broken and confused old hippies with drug problems and bankruptcy issues.

Norman:

So quick ... which red state endangered by the Rising Blue Tide are they going to send the POTUS off to next, now that he's back from Sugar Land and Georgia?

Utah? Montana? Nebraska? No wait ... IDAHO !

ROTFL !

Bob

The American mainland hasn't been attacked in over 50 years, dumbass.

Bwah hah hah hah hah hah hah! Yes, of course--I'm the dumbass! Oh, that's rich! That's absolutely splendid! Couldn't have said it better myself!

Now, listen here, child. Your uncle Norman is going to explain something very important to you. Terrorists of an Islamic bent? Ever heard of them? Well, they knocked down a couple of tall buildings in NYC and knocked a hole in a building called the Pentagon five years ago--did you hear of this? Happened on or about the 11th of September, you moron. In 2001? Am I ringing a bell here or is the clapper permanently absent from the bell in your empty belfry?

Typical liberals! They forget that we were attacked!

What is this, denial? You think if you ignore the fact that we were attacked you can somehow score points on George W Bush?

Delusional little libs. And you wonder why no one takes you seriously.

Not attacked?!? Are you rmck1's blood relation, you fool?

In case you forgot, the American mainland hasn't been attacked in the last five years...

Depends on your definition of "attacked." From where I stand, I can see the Constitution in tatters.

.....yyyaaaawwwwnn......Please sit down and be quiet over there.

Loyola recently served as a "consultant for communications and policy planning....assisted in the final preparation and roll-out of the 2005 National Defense Strategy, and worked on global energy and China issues with the policy planning staff."

This is just so sad. Mario sounds like a sophomore College Republican sublimating his inability to get laid; that he has actually been been in the vicinity of the levers of power speaks volumes about the competency of the entire GWB admin.

Norman:

Sixty years to be precise, old man.

From Pearl Harbor to 9/11.

So if you're going to fault the man, fault him for being a tad too ... conservative in his estimation :)

Bob

orwell: Victory is defined by defeat of the enemy for you dolts who can't tell the differnece between Vietnam and World War II.

"Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the president to explain to us what the exit strategy is." - Governor George Bush - Houston Chronicle - 4/9/99

rmck1:

ROTFL !

If you are, in fact, rolling on the floor, please pick up a shred of your tattered dignity and treasure it, because it's fairly obvious that you have nothing to be laughing about before the election is held.

Just ask President Kerry. Where is he today, by the way? Is he rolling around on the same floor as you, giggling madly at his predicament? Are you sharing your pharmaceuticals with him?

Yes? No? Maybe? In a pig's eye? What?

Every Democratic candidate should now be asked whether they think the troops are in Iraq because (a) they are committed to the mission and want to win or (b) because of their lack of economic and social opportunity back home

Hmmm, why not ask the troops THEMSELVES. My guess is that they'd agree with (b) above.

Just a thought.

Liberals are blaming Bush for losing the war and they just may have a point- it's too early to tell. But honest now- did liberals want the US to win this war? I don't think so.

As predicted, the Bush Cultists are dusting off the . Reprehensible.

Norman:

*Everybody* is glad that John Forbes Kerry has put a sock in it at last. If this little snafu of his puts the kibosh on his '08 ambitions, I think most of us here wouldn't wear black for a month.

But that being said -- after your little two news cycles' worth of mirth -- the net effect has been merely to keep reminding people of Iraq.

And the more you remind people of Iraq, the more you nationalize the election, which incumbents more properly fight when they're localized (just listen to Tom Reynolds endlessly repeating Tip O'Neil's mantra that all politics is local).

And the more you nationalize a midterm election, which every expert agrees is a referendum on the party in power ...

The more the GOP loses.

Game, set, match, old bean. *jumping the net, shaking hands*

Bob

"Now, listen here, child.

Posted by: Norman Rogers on November 2, 2006 at 3:11 PM | PERMALINK"

Norman is a black woman?

And what about those marching orders re: the mescin invasion?

So you agree that Bin Laden should have been tracked down and captured? Well then why do yyou think invading Iraq was a good idea? Iraq didn't have anything to do with 911. That was Al Qaeda. they're a bunch of international criminals, not an army or even an invading force. Do all of you 'winger pisss your pants in fear like this?

You're pathetic.

Sixty years to be precise, old man. From Pearl Harbor to 9/11.

Well, if ya want to be complete, there was that incident where a Japenese balloon bomb killed a group of kids somewhere in the Northwest sometime later in the war.

But, carry on kicking Norm's ass down the stairs. I take it as a sign of increasing desperation that the wingnut trolls have gone from being merely trollish to being downright total assholes. They *really* want to drive all rational discussion underground for the next few days.

"Attacking Iraq after 9-11 made as much sense as attacking Mexico after Pearl Harbor."

Who is the dumbass now?

Norman. When the people doing the attack are not a rag tag bunch of criminals, then you can get all hysterical and lift your skirts and such. Right wing cowards like you make me ashamed to call you American. Grow a spine, you giant stinking pussy.

Global's idea of support for the soldiers is to say "They are failing miserably."

Nathan tried this same tactic on me the other day, and that dog still won't hunt.

"Orewll" has already admitted, of course, that he/she/it chooses not to actually fight in this Existential War of Civilizations™.

But right on cue, this chickenhawk, like his fellow cowardly Bush Cultists, tries to shield criticism of their political leaders' failure with the blood and honor of our troops.

We knew "Orwell" was a liar. No we know he/she/it is a coward as well. For shame.

Maybe we should bring up Cheney's 5 academic deferements...Seems like studying and doing well in school kept Dick out going to war.

Basically, since the start of this Iraq adventure, my hope that anyone in the Bush administration had learned anything from 1945 on was pretty much dashed.

It seems obvious that the risk of what is now occuring in Iraq was something that should have been considered, especially sincy it was not exactly a total surprise. I mean, if there was someone in the Bush adminisration who said, "what if we find no WMD's, specifcally no nuclear program, and no real evidence of ties to al Quaeda (the last clause I write with a chuckle as the administration must have known that "al Quaeda" consisted of 10 to 30 guys in a cave) AND we get stuck in a civil war after we topple the Hussain regime?"

In this case its not that hindsight is 20/20, this risk was hardly a secret. Yet, the administration basically staked its future on the fact that this risk would not materialize.

Well, the risk did materialize. It would have been so easy to manage expectations, but, of course, had expectations been managed truthfully "well, we're not sure if he really has a nuclear program or not . . . . . ." there would have been insufficient support for the whole adventure.

Every Democratic candidate should now be asked...

Sure, as long as every Republican Candidate is asked how many Congressional Pages they've tried to fuck and how many of their mistresses they've tried to strangle.

This blog used to have some sharp tools but now there are nothing but broken and confused old hippies with drug problems and bankruptcy issues.
Posted by: Norman Rogers on November 2, 2006 at 3:04 PM | PERMALINK

You seem to have us confused with Rush Limbaugh.

dolchstoss
dolchstoss
dolchstoss

Good old Norman dolchstoss
GOP dolchstoss

You bring a tear of pride to an old nazi's heart. My lovely angry Norman. Hate them Norman. Hate them. They stabbed our troops in the back. They stabbed us in the back I tell you. We would of won in Iraq if it wasn't for the liberal traitors in the rear. We need a strong leader. We need a Furher to save our Republic. We'll get the liberals Norman. We'll show them. They wont be laughing when we put them on trial for treason and send them to the camps. To the camps where they will learn how to work and obey. Where they will earn pennance for their crimes against America.

We'll show them Norman.
dolchstoss

Liberals need some good jokes because as John Kerry has proven they obviously don't have any. Here's one told by a soldier to help ya'll lighten up.

"As a sergeant in a parachute regiment I took part in several night time exercises. Once, I was seated next to a Lieutenant fresh from Jump School.

He was quiet and looked a bit pale, so I struck up a conversation. "Scared, Lieutenant?", I asked.

He replied, "No, just a bit apprehensive."

I asked, "What's the difference?"

He replied, "That means I'm scared with a university education."

"Well do you still want them to win, or do you want them to withdraw in defeat?"

And don't forget to ask every Democrat, "Have you stopped beating your wife? Yes or No! Can't you just give a up-or-down answer??"

That'll fix 'em too.

Liberals need some good jokes because as John Kerry has proven they obviously don't have any. . .
Posted by: Orwell on November 2, 2006 at 3:40 PM | PERMALINK

Oh yeah, I love that one by Bush, you know the one, where he pretends to be looking under his couch for WMD? That one must be hilarious to any wounded Iraqi vet. I'll bet they laugh so hard, their prosthetic limbs fall off!

Orwell:

I like that one.

Bob

the twit:

Sixty years to be precise, old man.
From Pearl Harbor to 9/11.

The Great Norman Rogers said:

the American mainland hasn't been attacked in the last five years.

Some liberal dumbshit:

The American mainland hasn't been attacked in over 50 years, dumbass.

Bwah hah hah hah hah!

Open mouth, insert foot, eh, twit?

How can you reconcile defending someone who can't read with any comprehension with your own inability to comprehend what you've read?

Can't anyone play this game?

I am glad to see that Osama believes the soldiers are smart enough to understand a joke. We seem to be making some progress with the liberals here.

Howard Dean can't tell jokes either.

Here's another solider with a lesson in joke telling. Try to laugh a little.

"During mail call one evening at Marine Corps boot camp, I received several letters from home. The drill instructor was getting irritated at having to keep calling my name. "You must have a lot of people at home who like you, huh?" he barked.

"Sir, no, sir!" I shouted.

"Oh, so you're calling me a liar?" goaded the DI.

Trained as a Marine to think quickly on my feet, I yelled out, "Sir, creditors, sir!"

The DI had to leave the room so we wouldn't see him laughing.

Nemesis:

In addition to "stabbed in the back", the "Iraqis are too backward to be civilized" meme seems to be gaining alot of currency in wingnut circles as an excuse to hide their own imbecility.

The American mainland can be attacked in more than one way...

http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2006/10/index.html

(scroll down to the post "God Save the King")

I will admit that the author of the post is a liberal troops-hating pantywaist, however. Read his bio and see for yourself.

Republicans respect the troops

Fortunately, John Boehner's comments to the contrary are, in fact, making the rounds of military newpapers.

Just Really Ignorant:

When the people doing the attack are not a rag tag bunch of criminals, then you can get all hysterical and lift your skirts and such. Right wing cowards like you make me ashamed to call you American. Grow a spine, you giant stinking pussy.

How pleasant! Do you always react with such vehemence when someone points out the fact that you're a moron?

Me, personally? I am not afraid of anyone or anything. I am an American, and the world should live in fear of me, and should wonder if I am pleased or displeased. That's why I have proudly supported our President during this war--he is not going to succumb to the rantings and ravings of a bunch of childish liberals who cannot even remember that we were attacked on 9/11. And he certainly has the people who attacked us wondering what he will do next. Do you think they're afraid of a man who wields the sword, as George W Bush does? Or do you think they're afraid of a man who can't even tell a joke properly, as in John Kerry?

And you wonder why poor John lost in 2004.

Orwell:

George Bush is riding his bicycle along a country road for exercise. He slips on some leaves, and next thing you know, he falls off his bicycle into a creek head first.

Before his Secret Service team can get to him, he's rescued by three kids who happen to be fishing in the creek.

Bush, flipping the water off his face, looks at the three kids and beams benevolently. "You three boys saved me! Thanks so much! What would you like in return as a token of thanks?"

The first kid goes "A trip to Disneyland!" Bush responds "Sure kid. Consider it done. I'll send your whole family, too."

The second kid goes "A trip on Air Force One!" Bush sez "Sure, son. Your wish is my command."

The third kid goes "A fully motorized wheelchair, with a mounted laptop and stereo system!" Bush looks confused. "A wheelchair? But you don't seem crippled at all ... "

Kid goes "I will be, once I tell my dad I pulled you out of the damned creek."

Bob

John Kerry made a mistake, admitted it, apologized, and moved on.

George W. Bush made a mistake, stayed the course, and praised the men who led him in there.

The hair-trigger wingnut outrage machine pounced on what was an obvious mistake and, with the help of the obliging corporate media, has pumped it into yet another embarrassing milestone in our benighted discourse. The insanity that Kerry is denigrating our troops while the cynical bastards who send them off to be pointlessly killed are their most ardent guardians is just that, insane. The only way Loyola can draw any attention at the Corner asylum is to appear even crazier than they are.

Aside from the cheap political exploitation, it's predictable that the dishonest Cornerites, Limbaughs, Hannitys, et al would go on and on about the contrived misinterpretation of what Kerry said, because it's what they and all the other über-chickenhawks actually think: the military is a low-end job for suckers, not for the sons and daughters of the Beltway elite. Faking outrage over this idea gives them the appearance of being above the disdain that is at the very heart of why none of them would ever choose to join the military, under any circumstances, and why none of them has.

Norman:

9/11 happened on George Bush's watch.

NEXT !

Bob

Even Boehner has said that the matter is closed. Obviously their internal polling has shown that this is a loser for them. That the wingnut peons continue to harp on it shows that the GOP noise machine is fracturing.

Global's idea of support for the soldiers is to say "They are failing miserably."

Orwell: Post the permalink where I said anything of the sort, you feckless, foam-flecked moron.

Disputo:

Amen, brutha.

Bob

Just ask President Kerry. Where is he today, by the way

Hanging out with Dennis Hastert? Tom Delay?

Bob -

Good one! I like the ones where you can put the names of people in them. Even though you have heard it before it is still funny.

Okay Bob's convinced me that there are some liberals with a real sense of humor.

More evidence that the GOP noise machine is breaking down: the GOP is running ads with flag drapped coffins to attack Dems for running ads with flag drapped coffins.

How stupid does the GOP think voters are?

Orwell, I will be back later to find that non-existent permalink. Right now, I am going to go see my kids, since all three adults are in one place...Oh that's right...i'm a liberal so I am not supposed to have any "family values".

"How pleasant!
Posted by: Norman Rogers on November 2, 2006 at 3:52 PM | PERMALINK"

Thank you.

and yes. You are a coward. you can't admit that you are wrong about Bush, wrong about Al Queda, and wrong about Iraq. Only a coward won't face facts and admit his mistakes. And you're a liar.

So you'r both a coward and a liar. And a giant stinking pussy.

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9/11 happened on George Bush's watch.

My, what a master of the obvious you are.

Did he respond? Yes.

Did Nancy Pelosi and John Kerry offer themselves up as being ready to surrender the USA to terrorists? Yes.

As you say, next!

Bonus question for you funny, funny liberals: do you want us to win?

Bwah hah hah hah hah hah!

Please, complete the joke and tell us what you will do to win the war against the people who didn't attack America five years ago!

The house of cards falls down once you admit Iraq Was A Mistake. (let "Iraq Was Not A Mistake" = q)

We avoided this premise, using the following mechanisms:
Let p = "But Saddam was a threat, and had WMD!"
if p then q.
Unfortunately, we could not validate p.
Let p = "But, Saddam was responsible for 9/11, he was in league with Al Qaeda!"
if p then q.
Well, there wasn't really anything to back that up either.
Let p = "Democracy's on the march!"
if p then q.
Well, they did vote. But Democracies don't have genocidal sectarian strife much. Not usually.
Let p = "Stay the Course!"
if p then q.
Well, that was a converse error. Staying the course just brought more violence and death.

So now, we must conclude that ~q - or the negation of "Iraq was not a mistake". .. . which is "Iraq was a mistake."

Once you go there, you're in another sticky logic problem:
If Iraq was a mistake, then somebody screwed up!
Let p = "Iraq was a mistake"

Let q = "It's the troops' fault!"
. . . no, can't do that. Have to support the troops!

Let q = "It's Rummy's fault!"

if p then q.

Let r = "Bush hired Rummy, and refused to fire him." (therefore it's Bush's fault).

if p then q.
if q then r.

Let s = "We voted for Bush, and RE-elected him in 2004." (therefore it's our stupid gullible dumb-ass fault).

if p then q.
if q then r.
if r then s.
if s then HEAD_EXPLODES!!!

(... okay, can we go back to the "Iraq was not a mistake" premise again?

No?

Wait!

9/11!

9/11!

For the love of God 9/11!)

Orwell:

You're easily amused, ain'tcha :)

Norman:

We were all in favor of responding to the terrorists who attacked us on 9/11 by invading Afghanistan and taking out both the training camps and an illegitimate, substantially unrecognized regime.

What this has to do with Iraq is anybody's guess.

Bob

Norman, If you were rational, instead of a wildly insane sack of shit, then we could debate the obvious differences between pearl harbor and 911. Then we could move on to discuss how or how not attacking Iraq was a logical response to the 911 incidents. But you don't have the balls to admit error, and you don't have the brains to do anything except repeat ideological catch-phrases. Your utility here is as a target for the rage we real americans feel over your kind creating and supporting the mess you all have made of our country and its prestige. You're a pathetic sack of shit. but keep up the good work. you represent your side very well.

=

"Did Nancy Pelosi and John Kerry offer themselves up as being ready to surrender the USA to terrorists? Yes.

Posted by: Norman Rogers on November 2, 2006 at 4:09 PM | PERMALINK"

Link, please. (real men use documentary proof of their assertions. Pussies only post talking points)

So Global you believe the soldiers are succeeding?
For some reason I got the impression you though the Iraq war was a mistake. Great to see you agree with the president that things are going well.

I must confess my admiration for your name calling ability. Your phrasing and vocabulary presents a very creative and refreshingly different method of insult. It is clearly a cut above the normal insults from a run of the mill liberal.

I guess regular practice helps. However there is still a lack of humor in your words.

Now show me you aren't going to let John Kerry be the liberal joke standard bearer.

Come on, you can do it. Just give it a try. You will feel better.

No, the soldiers are not succeeding. yes the Iraq war was a mistake. No, things are not going well and only a delusional idiot would think otherwise.

Why aren't the soldiers succeeding? Because their leadership, the commander in chief and the Secretary of Defense, is incompetent. It's not because of the soldier's individual efforts, it's because of the leadership. The soldiers can't succeed in a mission that was doomed from the start. it's not their fault. It's the fault of Bush, Rummy, and every asshole like you who thinks soldiers are your personal green army men to crush and torch whenever there is an election to win.

=

Did Nancy Pelosi and John Kerry offer themselves up as being ready to surrender the USA to terrorists? Yes. Norman Rogers

OK now there is a fact you have to prove to have any credibility. If you don't tell us exactly how or when Nancy Pelosi and John Kerry "offered themselves up as being ready to surrender the USA to terrorists" rignt now, don't ever post here again.

I don't think you can. I follow politics a lot closer than you and that comment simply doesn't square with reality. I will give you a chance. Prove your statement of fact right now!! or crawl back under the rock you call home.

I am waiting Norman.

So Global you believe the soldiers are succeeding?

Orwell, is it possible for you to understand the stupidity and irrelevance of your question?

Are the soldiers succeeding? At what, precisely? Bringing democracy to Iraq? Preventing a civil war in Iraq? Keeping terrorists from shipping nukes into American ports? Shutting down jihadist cells around the world? Minimizing their casualties? Fighting them over there so Norman won't have to fight them over here, on his estate?

Sheesh.

Did he respond? Yes.
Posted by: Norman Rogers on November 2, 2006 at 4:09 PM | PERMALINK

Not effectively.
Osama bin Laden is still free.
There are more terrorists than ever, and more terror attacks than ever. They attacked our allies (Spain, etc.)

Did Nancy Pelosi and John Kerry offer themselves up as being ready to surrender the USA to terrorists? Yes.

Um - no. Your Rumsfeldesque technique of putting words in other people's mouths notwithstanding.

But Bill Frist DID suggest we surrender to terrorists:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/02/AR2006100200738.html

And, of course, Bush's acquiescence to Mushtarraf is essentially surrendering to terrorists.

And finally, Bush's abandonment of a captured US Soldier in Iraq, is a far more concrete surrender to terrorists than anything John Kerry or Nancy Pelosi may have said.

Bonus question for you funny, funny liberals: do you want us to win? Please, complete the joke and tell us what you will do to win the war against the people who didn't attack America five years ago

Yes. I want America to win. I want America to restore her civil liberties, so she can be America again. That's winning.

I want America to exact swift and terrible justice against those who would harm her by fraudulently draining her treasury for their own personal gain.

I want America to vengefully strike at and destroy the terrorists who attacked us on 9/11. I want Osama bin Laden rotting in jail, in a cell, next to Ramsi Yousef. I want to see the video of the judge reading his sentence to him, after having proven beyond a reasonable doubt, in a fair and open trial, that bin Laden was indeed guilty for 9/11, and that the ideology that drove him to that crime, is bankrupt and broken, and utterly indefensible. Even when Reason ties one hand behind its back - Hatred and Intolerance and violent extremism will lose, every time.

But most of all, I want America to be RIGHT, and if we *are* in a struggle of civilizations, I want America to uphold the enlightenment principles of liberty and justice, using the tools of Reason and Enlightenment. Not hatred, intolerance, and violent extremism.

OBF:

Well-put.

Bob

Because their leadership, the commander in chief and the Secretary of Defense, is incompetent.

Cite, please.

Last time I looked it up, both were responsible for the fact that we are winning the war on terror. You libs want to have your cake and eat it too, but the fact remains--America has been safe for these last five years. When was the last time any of you stopped to think about anyone other than yourselves and thanked Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld and the US Military for making America safe enough for you libs to do drugs, fornicate madly with each other and watch your snarky little Daily Show each night? Hmmm?

Seriously, do you think that Mr. bin Laden would let you watch your programs and carry on like the jackasses you are? Do you comprehend the fact that Mr. bin Laden is using American liberalism as his useful idiot right now?

One who cannot grasp the fact that the American mainland was actually attacked on 9/11 probably has to squint really hard and stick his tongue out of the side of his mouth to gin up the brain power to figure this out, but you are sleeping safely and soundly tonight because of the protection being given to you by the men whom you claim are incompetent.

Now, if American cities were on fire, you might have a case.

As for your assertion that Nancy Pelosi and John Kerry aren't ready to surrender, well, all one needs to have to cite is the fact that:

-Pelosi voted against the Iraq War.
-Kerry voted for the Iraq War.
Both now want us to cut and run and abandon our mission.

And you wonder why you can't win elections!

Bah!

Shorter Norm: I'm an idiot.

Bring back the intelligent trolls, please.

Norman:

What does Iraq have to do with 9/11?

Saddam wasn't very fond of al Qaeda, you know.

Bob

Norman says: "I am not afraid of anyone or anything."

Then why does he keep acting like he is afraid. He is clearly afraid what a Democratic majority in Congress might mean to his false sense of security. If Norman is not afraid...then why build a wall along our southern border? If Norman is not afraid...then why does he oppose the sale of American ports to the UAE? If Norman is not afraid...then why must he tap his neighbors' phones? If Norman is not afraid...then why must he feel the need to torture those who are securely apprehended, but not acknowledge it proudly to the world?

Norman continues, "I am an American, and the world should live in fear of me, and should wonder if I am pleased or displeased."

Your Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, has a special place for people like you, who wish others to fear them. Then again, this quote sounds more consistant with an Islamofacist...so my apologies if I have offended you, Norman. Can't you just hear Zwahiri saying, "the world should live in fear me, and should wonder if I am pleased or displeased."

Got to Hell Norman!

Please, complete the joke and tell us what you will do to win the war against the people who didn't attack America five years ago

i think the 99th Chicken Hawk Jingo Brigade should be formed and deployed without delay to Afghanistan and Pakistan to find OBL and put his head on a pike.

And you wonder why you can't win elections!

Those words will taste fine, Normie-kins, with a little salt, stir-fried in some sesame oil, come Nov 8.

Ron Little Bitch Byers:

If you don't tell us exactly how or when Nancy Pelosi and John Kerry "offered themselves up as being ready to surrender the USA to terrorists" rignt now, don't ever post here again.

Are you the main traffic policeman here now? I said very plainly that both Pelosi and Kerry want us to cut and run from Iraq--this is surrendering the USA to terrorists, plain and simple.

Don't ever post here again? My goodness. I don't think a little bitch like you should be telling anyone what to do. Smacks of facism, you know, and in America, we abhor facism. The only people who scream about facism are the liberals, simply because they don't like being defended from their enemies. I suppose if America actually had been attacked since 9/11, you'd be screaming about that, too. Come to think of it, you've always screamed for a handout and a free ride, so what else is new?

And that goes for your little dog Toto, aka, rmck1 and his puppet Just Really Ignorant.

Bah!

And you wonder why the American people don't trust liberals!

(Now, your uncle Norman has to take a break and go shopping because he has money and you do not. I shall return sometime in the evening when I have some free time, or perhaps not. This is your cue--you may now declare victory and do your little jig. That is all.)

Norman:

At least we liberals know how to spell fascism.

:)

Bob

Bush wants us to 'stay and die' while inspiring more Iraqis to become insurgents.

Bush is a uniter. He's uniting all the Muslims in Iraq against us.

Dems just want to win the war against Al Qaeda (who, if you'll recall, actually attacked us).

We've got no truck with Iraqi insurgents who are just defending their country against the invaders.

Norman:

When you get back from singlehandly keeping our economy from defaulting to the Chinese -- please answer this question.

I've been persistent in asking it several times, and you've been quite impolite in ignoring this, because it's quite germane to the topic.

What does Iraq have to do with the terrorists who attacked us on 9/11?

Thank you for your indulgence on this pressing matter.

Bob

Norman frets: "you are sleeping safely and soundly tonight because of the protection being given to you by the men whom you claim are incompetent."

Norman, need I remind you, you slept safely and soundly every night, for eight years, under Bill Clinton. Some of the many differences: George W. stopped the funding for 100,000 police offers across this country; the NIE actually says we are less safe; North Korea now has developed up to seven nuclear weapons under W's watch; the military has never been stretched thinner and been made weaker.

Shorter Norm

All brown people look alike to me. They are all terrorsits. Kill em all.

In sum, Norman Rogers is just an ignorant old crank. Ignore him.

Norman reminds me of my father, God rest his soul. After he retired he started watching Fox News. Without the social stimulus and intellectual challenge of work, he became a bitter old man unwilling to do anything but bitch about the reality free shawdows he saw on the Fox News screen. It was sad watching a once proud, intelligent and honorable old man sink into senile dementia.

Norman, I feel your pain.

A platoon of Marines was sent to the Army jump school to be trained in parachuting for a mission.

On the first day, the Army instructor told the Marines, "We'll take the plane up to 1,000 feet and jump."

One of the marines raised his hand: "Sir?"

"Yes, corporal?"

"Could we please take the plane up only to 500 feet?"

"I'm afraid not, corporal. At 500 feet, there won't be time for the parachutes to open."

"Oh...we're using PARACHUTES?"

Norman:

What about Frist's statements on the Taliban?
What about Bush's withdraw of checkpoints in Baghdad while one of our soldiers is probably getting his balls sawed off?
What about Bush's limp-wristed policy on Pakistan?

Republican Surrender Monkeys.

(Now, your uncle Norman has to take a break and go shopping because he has money and you do not.
Posted by: Norman Rogers on November 2, 2006 at 4:38 PM | PERMALINK

. . . and you'll NEVER know the satisfaction of having earned that money from the sweat of your own brow. Because you were a professional parasite. A middle-man. White-collar criminal. Con-artist. Scammer. You think you're smarter than the people who worked for the money you conned - but deep down, you know that you were just lucky to be in the right place at the right time. Nobody got a vital good or service from you that they couldn't have gotten just as easily from some other middle-man. You will leave this world a worse place than it was when you came. Your entire life has been dedicated to selfishness, and bloodsucking.

Orwell, ask a real question without using weasle=words and I will be happy to answer it. In the interim, please refrain from ascribing motives to me. And all liberals for that fact, as you have no special insight into the inner workings of anyones soul.

Thank you for the compliment on my ascerbic skills. If you knew my sisters and brother, you would understand. Half a softball team of redheaded Jewish girls, all with grad degrees. Our lone brother went to the Army and became a Ranger just to get away from us.

At least we liberals know how to spell fascism.

Bwah hah hah hah hah!

Only a true facist would say there was but one way to spell a word!

Here, educate yourself:

Old Italy, new facism
By Ignacio Ramonet

Of all the forms of hidden persuasion,
the most implacable is that imposed
by the way things are
- Pierre Bourdieu

In Italy "the way things are" has persuaded a majority of voters, successfully and inconspicuously, that the days of the traditional political parties are gone. This has its roots in a simple fact: since the 1980s the political system has degenerated at an alarming rate. Some speak of gangrene and rot. The scale of and extent of corruption astounds. The system of backhanders has cost the country more than 75bn euros. The clandestine bankrolling of parties has created fabulously rich politicians, particularly socialists and Christian democrats. The independent editor, Indro Montanelli, points out that "anyone who had eyes could see that the lifestyles of certain party officials bore no relation to their declared incomes" (1).

Already in 1992 the mani pulite (clean hands) campaign and Judge Antonio di Pietro were uncovering a huge network of corruption among businessmen and politicians. The former prime minister and Socialist party leader, Bettino Craxi, was accused of having amassed a fortune illegally and resigned amid scenes of chaos, with a crowd abusing him, almost trying to lynch him. Next came Giulio Andreotti, the leader of the Christian Democrats, also a former prime minister. He was charged and publicly vilified, accused of collusion with the mafia and complicity in murder.

The toppling of these two giants sent shockwaves through the political system. In the space of a few months hundreds of deputies, senators and ex-ministers were pursued by scandals, investigated by judges and lampooned by the media. The cumulative effect of these accusations of financial misconduct was that the political class was effectively rejected by the public and discredited. As Eric Joszef describes it, "There is such a vacuum and such a strong sense of panic that some people fear a coup d’état" (2).

You say potato, I say po-taht-oh.

Thank you for the compliment on my ascerbic skills.

Do you have any? Where's your goofy gal-pal Joylessly Smurfette?

I was not talking to you, Norman, do I have any intention of doing so. Good day.

Coincidentally, I have seen where ascerbic can be spelled acerbic. Facism and fascism? What other words have I butchered today? Oh, certainly not the truth, eh libs?

Yes, there are many ways to spell words, especially if you have lived overseas, as I have, in countries where English is spoken correctly. That is, if our nitpicking twit rmck1 gives the approval. One cannot trifle with the twit who rules Kevin Drum's blog, you know.

Norman Rogers on November 2, 2006 at 4:38 PM:

(Now, your uncle Norman has to take a break and go shopping because he has money and you do not.)

We understand, Normie...it's the first of the month and your welfare check must have just arrived...Looking forward to more of your whine and (government) cheese when you get back..

I was not talking to you, Norman, do I have any intention of doing so. Good day.

Harrumph!

Well, another lib runs from a fair fight. Good day, madame. Sorry about your lack of determination to stand up for what you believe in.

Bwah hah hah hah hah hah!

That's the thing. In a fight there should be a winner and a loser or it is a moot effort. You will not sway me and I will not sway you, so I will expend my energies elsewhere.

I'm going to go visit Aravosis.

Norman:

As much as I love Italy (and going through the Latin and Greek cognates of English words with my English-speaking Italian friends), this is America, sport.

The correct English spelling is how I laid it out for you. I must say though, old bean -- that was the most pretentiously bloviated excuse for a simple typo I've ever seen concocted on a blog or anywhere else.

Maybe you should've taken a lesson from John Kerry and just apologized the first time, eh? :)

But on to more pressing matters ...

I see you're still ducking my question, so I'll charitably put it to you once again without chiding you further for your rudeness:

What did Saddam's Iraq have to do with 9/11?

Please answer; this is most assuredly not rhetorical.

Thanks in advance;

Your favorite liberal spelling faScist :),

Bob

Orwell wrote:

Victory is defined by defeat of the enemy for you dolts who can't tell the differnece between Vietnam and World War II.

The US military is caught up in a sectarian battle between Sunni and Shia, and the hundreds of subgroups among them. Our military would clean up an area like in al-Anbar province, and the place would appear stable, but months later, the place would be teeming with Iraqi militia again. The military describes it as a game of "whack-a-mole." Because it is a guerilla insurgency, it's overly simplistic to define victory as "the defeat of the enemy." The Colombian insurgency has gone on for 30 years, which is a measure of how long this war may last, and if the Iraqi people truly wanted us there for 30 years and would compensate us for it in some way, I would be in favor of it. But as it stands now, polling in Iraq shows that the Iraqi people themselves want us out. If the Iraqi people wants us out, and if we are there only as the Iraqi surrogate army to do the things the Iraqi should be doing themselves, do you really think this helps either Iraq or us?

The Brits had a war with Iraq sold to the public in 1917, by being told their troops would be greeted as liberators and the streets would be strewn with flowers.

That didn't happen.

They finally limped out of the country in 1958. Their Army was broken and their treasury was broke.

Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it. --George Santayana

Sounds apt to me.

My, my. Here I'd thought that this was just a parody Norman, it being so beyond-the-pale in its preposterous vacuity. But when it attempted to defend its own misspelling of a word by linking to someone else who misspelled it, folks, that's gotta be the Cowardly Turd itself!

Oh, and Norman, only because someone has to say it, go fuck yourself.

Not that I really expect an answer, but does anyone here ever go over to some conservative site and lob in posts as if they were Karl Marx or something?

Really, if this Normal chap is not a parody what in the world is he doing here? Does Kevin pay him to keep the place entertained? Is Norman in fact Kevin?

These same guys show up, all the time. Is it some sort of abuse fetish?

Mein Gott, Norman and Orwell, we are so very very proud of you. I told Adolph that the Boys in Brazil project would work.

It makes me so verklept. Hmmm, Himmler gets so upset when I use those words.

So, Norman and Orwell, Sieg Baby!

Not that I really expect an answer, but does anyone here ever go over to some conservative site and lob in posts as if they were Karl Marx or something?

Actually, it's not a bad question, Hank. The reason liberals don't do that sort of thing is because half the major conservative blogs don't accept comments, and the other half will ban you after they catch the first whiff of liberalism.

I guess it's time for radicals wingnuts to howl at the moon - all night long if they feel like it, but I don't think very many Americans are listening to repuggy pundits anymore.

Last I check, Kerry isn't running for re-elections right now and this issue really is quite astupid one. I mean, is that ALL those wingnuts have? I think a majority of the public has simply become tired of wingnut hype. It certainly hasn't shown in polls.

For some reason the voice I hear while reading Norman's posts is Stewie Griffin.

Try harder, Mario Loyola, we can't hear you?

I just don't think that plan is stirring the base.

Stranger nails it.

Last I check, Kerry isn't running for re-elections right now and this issue really is quite astupid one. I mean, is that ALL those wingnuts have?

No. They're only spending half their ammo on bashing a guy who isn't even running for reelection; the other half they are using to link every Dem to a congresscritter (Pelosi) the vast majority of the electorate has never heard of. Rove is a liberal sleeper agent....

With a spirit like that maybe they should rehire him and send him to the green zone. He can enforce a bunch of "respect the troops" statutes and the central issue of the Iraq war will have be resolved.

"will have be"

God, I have worse typos than Norman.

No, sorry. I have a dictionary in the house, and yes, I did misspell the word fascism as 'facism' and for that, I am most humbly and deeply apologetic and I hope you kind and gentle souls can forgive a misty-eyed old man who loves you oh so very much.

Sniff!

Norman:

The Italian quote was worth the price of admission :)

All is forgiven, old man.

Even the impossibly grandiose slip off their pedestals once every three blue moons or so :)

But now then -- what did Iraq have to do with 9/11?

Bob

Stranger / Disputo:

Who's Stewie Griffin?

Bob

The baby from The Family Guy. He's a nasty little beast.

Oh *that* Stewie :) Yeah, that'll work.

Btw, what's the context of "cromulent" from The Simpsons? I can certainly hear that word spoken in Bart's voice ...

Bob

Lisa's teacher used it in the episode where the schools budget was slashed. Skinner said "...[something] embiggens us all" and Lisa says 'embiggen' isn't even a word. Her teacher says it is a perfectly crommulent word.

I really wish I didn't remember everything I have ever heard or read (while actually paying attention, anyway) because something makes a neuron fire and I have to stifle giggles at inappropriate times.

Globe:

"Embiggen" .... *chuckling helplessly for a minute and a half*

Bob

Some of my best material comes from Matt Greoning and South Park.

The Italian quote was worth the price of admission

All that googled quote (google "facism" and see what you get) demonstrates is that Norman and Thomas/Chuck/Charlie/etc use the same MO. Big surprise.

These incessant sock puppets are certainly unembiggening this forum.

Just love the stories the trools tell about their various military exploits and the units in which they served.

For humor, they have to go to Soldier of Fortune. Their own units were sooooo serious.

I spit on the trools because, for one, they never mention how many troops we are losing. They speak of the success, staying the course and not cutting and running ad nauseum. However, they never say, for example, that we lost One Hundred and Five last month and have already lost at least one this month. You assholes neither give one flying fuck about any of our service personnel killed nor the vast numbers maimed.
Just once, would any of you Cowards come on some morning and say, "Well, we lost 4 more Marines yesterday, but Clinton's Penis...............!

Every Democratic candidate should now be asked whether they think the troops are in Iraq because (a) they are committed to the mission and want to win or (b) because of their lack of economic and social opportunity back home.

I'm not a candidate, but I have a cousin over there, and his answer is much, much closer to (b) than to (a)... some of it was youthful bravado and the rest was probably anxiety over better opportunities, since he didn't grow up in an environment that supported a more middle-class life path. He's scheduled to get out of the Marines in the spring, but none of us are betting on it.

Yes, thank you all for being so gracious.

It does my heart good to see so many polite liberals. I guess my Princeton education failed me and I misspelled a word--

Goodness! That means I must be headed to Iraq! Thanks John Kerry!

And oh by the way, the sign those soldiers held up in that picture--it was on the front page of the drudge report--that was John Kerry's legacy, kids.

Priceless!

But now then -- what did Iraq have to do with 9/11?

When John Kerry and Hillary Clinton can answer as to why they voted for the war when they both knew full well that the Iraqis had nothing to do materially with 9/11, you might get an answer from me.

Do you really think Saddam Hussein shed a tear for those killed? Of course not. On the other hand, his mortal enemies in Iran were somewhat gracious about the whole thing--and that's why they didn't get George W Bush's cowboy boot up beside their head.

But because they're getting a bit too big for their britches, it's only a matter of time...

When John Kerry and Hillary Clinton can answer as to why they voted for the war when they both knew full well that the Iraqis had nothing to do materially with 9/11, you might get an answer from me.

If Norm wasn't both an idiot and a liar and a coward (not to mention part of the Thomas/Chuck sockpuppet hydra) he might have mentioned that the authorization that JFK and HRC voted for stipulated that war was *only* authorized *if* Saddam was involved in 9/11. GWB lied and certified that Saddam was involved.

JFK and HRC are only guilty of believing that the CiC wouldn't lie the US into war.

Regardless, Norm could answer the question if he wasn't an idiot and a coward and a liar. He's dodging the question like he is dodging going to Iraq, chickenhawk that he is.

Norm, how about you serve your country in the best way you can and kill yourself? Your other sockpuppet has already agreed to.

You can leave your "vast estate" to help the families of the soldiers who are killed in your quagmire war. It won't be enough to get you into heaven, but at least you may avoid one of the lower circles of hell.

Norman:

I didn't ask John Kerry or Hillary Clinton.

I asked *you*. Aren't conservatives supposed to stand strong for personal accountability instead of finger-pointing and playing the victim?

Answer the question: What did Saddam Hussein have to do with 9/11?

And don't sabre-rattle at Iran. It only makes you look ridiculous.

Bob

Disputo:

Norman is decidedly another kettle of fish than Thomas/Cheney/Chuck ...

Bob

They may very well be different people, but they're working out of the same shop.

Yep, same shop - Normie is the big one who keeps saying "Feed me, feed me Seymour".

What did Saddam Hussein have to do with 9/11?

Why do you persist? I did answer the question. After invading the country to ascertain whether or not the Iraqis had reconstituted their nuclear weapons program, we were relieved to find that this was not the case. The thought of Hussein giving terrorists in the Middle East--and there is no doubt that he was supporting the Palestinians by paying the families of martyred suicide bombers--a nuclear weapon was unacceptable. The same goes for Iran, silly. Materially, Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. At the time, there was a legitimate belief that Hussein had provided support to al Qaeda. At the time, Ansar al-Islam was training inside of Iraq and was affiliated with al Qaeda.

The fact that this proved not to be true doesn't mean you've accomplished anything; if, in fact, all of those Senators were so smart, why didn't they vote to stop the war or make a stand?

Oh, that's right. They were "lied" to. What a crock! I suppose anyone could get out of any predicament if they screamed about being lied to often enough, which is the case here. What a surprise! And you wonder why the American people see through the Dumbocrats.

Do you want us to win? This is the better question. Because what you've proven is that none of you are serious about defending this country from people who want to attack us.

Where's the fool who said that we haven't been attacked in the last fifty years? Anyone heard from that piece of work lately?

Norman drooled the following: "After invading the country to ascertain whether or not the Iraqis had reconstituted their nuclear weapons program,"

Yup, boy, we couldn't tell that with our spy planes and satellites, could we? Nice flat country with no place to hide anything outside of the mountains of Kurdistan. Even the Iranians and North Koreans can't hide their nuke programs from us, but somehow Saddam might have had his tucked in the back of a truck.

What a fucking idiot. Go finish having the rest of your brain removed, dickhead, and then maybe you can go get a job in the Bush administration.

Go finish having the rest of your brain removed

He needs his brain in order to pull the trigger of his hand gun on the morning of Nov 8.

Yup, boy, we couldn't tell that with our spy planes and satellites, could we?

Yes, well, there were quite a few spy satellite photos used by Hans Blix and the inspectors, now wasn't there? And even he and his people, using those photos, couldn't determine anything until after the war was long over, precisely because Hussein was restricting access to his "palaces." Once those palaces were inspected, there you go--no weapons. It's called physical inspection, liberals, and it's called verification. You would have preferred we just take his word for it? You would have preferred the law enforcement approach? Good thing we're not still waiting for President Gore to make up his mind what to do.

Can't any of you think for yourselves?

Apparently not.

Well, goodnight, all. Don't declare yourselves the victor all at once.

Norman:

You're simply flat-out lying. Have you ever read Blix's and ElBaradei's final reports? I have. There was no there there. Saddam had nothing. I knew it. My Senators and Congressman knew it. Bob Graham, the chairman of the Senate Intelligence Commmittee (who was privvy to more intelligence than most of the House and Senate who voted on the floor) knew it.

Ansar al-Islam was harrassing the Kurds; an entirely regional project. Aiding the families of Palestinian (not al Qaeda) suicide bombers can be construed as an act of charity, not of aggression.

In any case, the intelligence was not only discovered bogus after the fact (since the only way to prove the negative is to ransack every last square centimeter of the country looking for WMDs) but also deeply suspected as being so by people like myself who read multiple news sources and -- most importantly -- between the lines.

You got chumped, Norman.

I, and many other people including legislators, did not.

End of story.

Bob

Aiding the families of Palestinian (not al Qaeda) suicide bombers can be construed as an act of charity, not of aggression.

When you account for the fact (which the wingnuts never mention) that Saddam was making payments to the family of *every* Palestinian who died in the Intifada, not just the families of suicide bombers, the notion that Saddam was aiding terrorists becomes as ridiculous as saying that an insurance company which pays out a death benefit to the family of a dead murderer is an accomplice in murder.

I hasten to add, however, that Saddam was making the payments in order to align himself with the Palestinian cause and to gain prestige in the Arab community, not because he was feeling charitable.

but also deeply suspected as being so by people like myself who read multiple news sources and -- most importantly -- between the lines.

Bwah hah hah hah hah hah!

Hear that, liberals? Your very own rmck1 was so much smarter than you that he probably sneers at you for thinking differently than he on all manner of issues.

Rally behind your leader, rmck1! For even though there is no evidence whatsoever, he knew the truth and you did not!

Goodness, I feel so much better knowing that rmck1 has always had an absolute lock on the truth, even though no one can verify it.

Kevin Drum has an archive--let's go back and see if rmck1 was telling us the truth back in early 2003, shall we?

Oh, but I'll bet rmck1 will say that he was not commenting here. Well, your uncle Norman was commenting here and you can take that the bank, liberals.

And you wonder why I rarely bother to engage you anymore.

Good night! You've been good for a chuckle. Nothing more.

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"Once those palaces were inspected, there you go--no weapons. It's called physical inspection, liberals, and it's called verification."

We're not talking about bio-chemical programs, which CAN be hidden in Saddam's bathroom. We're talking about a NUKE program, which requires massive infrastructure, special equipment and lots of people.

Your Dear Leader will be passing out the cyanide capsules soon, Herr Rogers.

Norman:

Gosh, Norman -- is that all you've got? Most Democrats supported a bogus case, too?

It was hardly just me. It was all my friends and about half of the folks who posted on the NYT Iraq fora. Immediately after Colin Powell's "slam dunk" UN case, we knew it positively reeked of horse pucky. We deconstructed the Sixteen Words in the SOTU days before it broke on the front pages. And believe me -- I read all the NewsMax links about bogus terrorism connections, the big New Yorker piece on what eccentric cretins Saddam and his odious sons were. My friends and I drank in the full spectrum of information, and the truth became obvious. And again -- not only to us.

The fact that Howard Dean got this before the Democratic establishment is the main reason I worked so hard for him in the primary.

The thing that must really *burn your ass* here, ol' Norman -- is that on this one:

THE LIBERALS WERE RIGHT.

Today even WSJ editorialists sound like Howard Dean supporters :)

Bob

Well, Mario Loyola is certainly no Jack Handey.

The problem with you libs is that you're still waiting for the government to give you a handout. You won't work, you won't do anything for yourselves, and when a man like George W Bush comes along and changes the world for the better, ... Posted by Norman Rogers.

Norman, Norman, what color IS the sky in your world? Liberals won't work or do anything for themselves? Which liberals would those be -- the ones collecting on the Halliburton contracts? And you think Georgie-Porgie "changed the world for the better" by getting half a million Iraquis killed, do you? If not that, how? I don't see any "better", not when even our oldest allies refuse to follow us, Iraq has turned into a free-fire zone, and the Administration just trashed habeas corpus. You also called us "ignorant." Try this little historical tidbit, Normie, if you've ever actually read any history that wasn't a bunch of right-wing crap: "A la lanterne!", which is the last thing you'll ever hear if there's any justice in this world.

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