Kinsley then follows up this faux bumpkinism with a complaint that the Democrats also fail to present a plan for crushing the Iraq civil war, even though he admits one sentence later that neither does anyone else.

Moreover, the Democratic plan doesn't have one suggestion for how to turn lead into gold! Or how to achieve cold fusion, or how to build a perpetual energy machine!

Really, if the Democrats don't have any solutions to these problems I fail to see why anyone should take them seriously.

While MK may have a point about fiscal responsibility, let's check out what the GOP is saying about this issue and the related Social Security "reform" debate. First on the overall fiscal side - the GOP is promising more tax cuts and more spending. How will they pay for this? While they will not say, me thinks it's inside that Trojan Horse known as Social Security "reform" (or was that deform). Simply put - the real GOP agenda is to cut your benefits by MORE (in fact much more) than they'll cut your payroll "contributions". So what they promise is what I've called the backdoor employment tax increase.

Now - this was not so hard to say or write - was it? When will MK bother to write something along these lines regarding the GOP's real fiscal agenda?

I am just glad that Kinsley et al always ignore that Clinton took Bush I's record deficits, and made them into record surpluses. Then Bush II reversed that.

NO! All that matters is DEMS WILL RAISE TAXES!

I'm also totally willing to ignore that my take-home pay has shrunk under King George, because he is not a BABY KILLER!

the Democrats also fail to present a plan for crushing the Iraq civil war,

Wrong framing. The civil war can't be "crushed" -- at least not by the U.S. The Democratic plan for Iraq was, quite simply, not to invade. Once the car was driven over the cliff by Bush, you can't blame us because we have no clever idea for how to prevent it from hitting the ground.

POSTSCRIPT: After reading this, you might think that election day has made me unusually tetchy. You would be right.

You're tetchy? My entire world is collapsing! I'm not paying higher taxes!

Liberals! Stop voting this instant! Do you want me to be angry with you? You won't like me when I'm angry with you.

Kinsley then follows up this faux bumpkinism

I vehemently disagree that Kinsley is a faux bumpkin.

Stefan: “Once the car was driven over the cliff by Bush, you can't blame us because we have no clever idea for how to prevent it from hitting the ground.”

That metaphor is among the most apropos I have seen in a long time. Thank you, Stefan.

I really can't figure Kinsley out. It's not like he's incapable of high-quality thinking and writing, nor is he unwilling to take complicated stances on issues at times. Other times, though, he just seems to come up with the most simplistic and senselessly provocative position he can find. And I haven't yet noticed any common thread as to which positions will fall into the "good Kinsley" bin and which go into the "bad Kinsley" bin.

Yeah, Chuck. We got it the first time.

But why just post something once when you can further your lameness by posting it twice?

Twit.

I blame Bill Clinton. By balancing the budget so easily he set up unrealistic expectations. Now you couldn't give $10 billion to Halliburton and make people not notice. It's just not right.

I like it when you're tetchy.

I like it when you're tetchy.

Thank you. It's been a tought couple of days, but I think things will be fine if we can just keep enough liberals from voting today.

I need a drink.

So, democrats shouldn't go on record on how they want to pillage American bank accounts. Good politics, there Kevin, but not good policy.

Right under Kinsley on the WaPo op-ed page was Richard Cohen, bemoaning how boring Hillary is. What the fuck? This is election day and they can't do anything but diss the Democrats? The answer to this is simple- Cohen and Kinsley exist to take up the space that would otherwise have to be given to real Democrats.

Once the car was driven over the cliff by Bush, you can't blame us because we have no clever idea for how to prevent it from hitting the ground.

Very nice. This should be the metaphor universally used by Dems.

"Dems don't have a plan for Iraq"

I do not get this criticism. Does any single person in the world believe that Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Rice would faithfully carry out a Democratic Plan to mitigate the catastrophe in Iraq?

Congressional oversight might help alleviate the worst of the waste, fraud and abuse by Republican Cronies, but really, unless the entire officer corps turns against their Commander in Chief - how can the war be a Democratic Congressional Responsibility?

Can a Dem Congress withhold funding for the war without damaging the troops?

I just can't picture a scenario where Democrats can do anything significant for Iraq until we can put a Democrat - a competent Commander in Chief - in the White House.

You're wrong, shortstop. "Don't Blame Us!" is no vote-getter, no matter how valid it is.

bcinaz-- Republicans would listen to any good idea, even if it came from Democrats. Your assumption that they wouldn't says more about you than it does about them.

Kevin, a note of thanks here from an occasional commenter. I often disagree with your positions, and sometimes heatedly, but I'm still glad you're here posting. If you need a break at some point today, may I suggest going to Google Video and searching for the names of Jay Ward cartoons? Rocky & Bullwinkle storylines, Mr. Peabody's Improbable History, Fractured Fairy Tales, there's a lot up there, in convenient stand-alone chunks. It's done my mood good this week.

"..crushing the Iraq civil war.."

Liberals need a plan to bring the Civil War to a less dangerous conclusion.

"..pillage American bank accounts.."

If American Hawk has any trouble with his account it is because he volunteered to drain it for the Chinese Communists, who evidently were in partnership with 16 years of Reagan and Bush.

Perhaps it is time to send all the neocons over to Communist China and have them demand their money back, for it was Reagan's brilliant plan to expand government with Chinese loans. Reagan and lil Bush have to awfully damn stupid to borrow from the Communists to fight communism!!

The election is over, so I can say it now without offending the welfare bums, like American Hawk and Halliburton.

Dems will do again what they did last time, raise progressive rates and cut government, and they will cut government by very large amounts, likely cutting government so much that welfare bums, namely, poorly performing American companies will learn to do it without a government handout.

It is high time we stop the welfarism and communism and massive government growth advocated by simpltons, like American Hawk, who are too damn stupid to compete without some big government Republican socialist holding their had.

When I looked at it in September, the "New Direction for America" excluded any mention of border security, immigration, or "immigration reform".

Considering that terrorists have already infiltrated the U.S. from Mexico (read this PDF file of a recent House report) and that protecting the U.S. from attack should be the first priority of every American politician, that's more than just an odd omission. It illustrates that the Democratic leaders are willing to put other interests ahead of the security of the U.S.

On the other hand, Bush isn't any better. Please read this before voting.

Nice one, Stefan. I'll be spreading that meme.

No, JR, I'm not wrong. The reason no one has presented a detailed, viable strategy for ending the slaughter and securing peace and political and religious freedom in Iraq--and I don't think I need to point out that the chief people not presenting any strategy are the Bush kids on Big Wheels who started this war without the faintest fucking idea of what they were doing, now having the gall to demand that we figure out how to clean up their mess--is that there is no way to fix to any meaningful degree what Bush broke and continues to break. Yes, some mistakes are so bad that you don't get a do-over.

The American people understand this. They understand that disengagement is a poor choice but the only choice. You are going to see the results of that understanding later today.

Last night I heard considerably-more-discerning-
than-Kinsley Norm Ornstein say that HE'S figured out that in her first hundred days, Pelosi will push passing minimum wage bill, giving Medicare bargaining power to drive down drug prices, and implementing the 9/11 Commission recommendations. What more in the way of programmatic substance does this flack for the Republic Party want?

Republicans would listen to any good idea, even if it came from Democrats. Your assumption that they wouldn't says more about you than it does about them.

GWB would listen, of course, as he has done so well in the past.

Clinically pathological delusion is abroad in the land.

considerably-more-discerning-
than-Kinsley Norm Ornstein say that HE'S figured out that in her first hundred days, Pelosi will push passing minimum wage bill, giving Medicare bargaining power to drive down drug prices, and implementing the 9/11 Commission recommendations.

Oh. I thought that that was her plan for the first hundred hours. But if she gets it done in 100 days I'll still be happy.

platitudes? LOL, you mean like "stay the course" and "we want to win" and various other useless nonsense that is the platform of the GOP and Bush administration?

Liberals had the best idea of all about Iraq in 2003: Don't invade. Why didn't the Republicans listen, Hawk?

Considering that terrorists have already infiltrated the U.S. from Mexico (read this PDF file of a recent House report) and that protecting the U.S. from attack should be the first priority of every American politician, that's more than just an odd omission. It illustrates that the Democratic leaders are willing to put other interests ahead of the security of the U.S.

Yes, well, thank you for putting on your tin foil hat and parading around like a comedy star, sir, but what you fail to understand is that George W Bush has the security of this great nation well in hand--the terrorists are being engaged overseas, thank you very much. What few may or may not arrive here see the opportunity we offer and either turn themselves in or are caught and punished. This is why it is so vital to give the administration the tools it needs to fight terror--one or three will always slip through, thanks to the "loopholes" afforded by well-meaning but rock-stupid liberals.

This notion that we have to close our borders is a tad bit ludicrous for my taste. The American people don't want to pick veggies and tar roofs, do they? Of course not. This is the land of milk and honey, and cheap labor built this country--or do you not recall a simple matter called the US Civil War?

Cheap labor makes our economic engine hum, and to shut that off now would be an invitation for economic collapse, and I don't think George W Bush is going to listen to you go whoop whoop whoop about some silly bullshit and ruin the economy over it.

And you wonder why I think you're a moron.

Kinsley is easily the most overrated "liberal" pundit of his generation. Why even bother.

I have a feeling that ending a useless war that has cost us what?....HALF A TRILLION DOLLARS....will more than help achieve the other goals the Democrats listed.

PS- it's not only Kinsley and Cohen. See Kaus today at the WaPo-owned Slate. You're just not going to see a real liberal at the Post.

Emartin:"Liberals had the best idea of all about Iraq in 2003: Don't invade. Why didn't the Republicans listen, Hawk?"

Heck, they didn't even listen to their own Colin Powell in the State Department when he said, "Hey, guys we need a PLAN for after the invasion. I've had people doing research and figuring out how we can tackle this. Here's the Executive Summ . . . . Guys, can't you hear me? Wait up . . . . Look, it's only five paragraphs. Guys? Guys?"

When a pundit can't come up with any ideas for a subject to write about, he can always fall back on the old reliable: The Democrats don't have a plan. They don't offer a positive alternative, they just say they're not [fill in the blank with some horrific Republican]. Always guaranteed to generate 500 to 1,000 words.

When the Republicans are doing a horrible job, and promise to keep on stupidly doing it, no matter how bad the results, the voters don't really need what some Beltway pundit considers a plan or a positive alternative from the Democrats. Just refusing to continue a horrible and stupid course of action is already a positive alternative plan.

As far as getting the Bush administration to listen to reason in Iraq, we need to look back to how Congress finally got Nixon to wind down the Vietnam War: A. Cut off the funding. B. Impeach.

"So, democrats shouldn't go on record on how they want to pillage American bank accounts."

The Republican Congress and White House have already pillaged your bank account several years ago. You just haven't gotten around to paying the bill yet.

and that protecting the U.S. from attack should be the first priority of every American politician,

You know, we thought the same thing. But Bush felt that vacationing and reading "My Pet Goat" were higher priorities.

Jesus I'm tired of hearing the "the Dems don't have a plan" bit. All the other points aside, can someone explain to me why the Dems need a detailed point-by-point plan to deserve to win? I mean, has anybody SEEN what the Republicans have been doing for the past four years? The Dems should be elected by virture of the fact that they're NOT Republicans, detailed plan or no!

"Liberals had the best idea of all about Iraq in 2003: Don't invade. Why didn't the Republicans listen, Hawk?"

Granting for purposes of argument that the Bush administration has totally #$%^ed up with respect to Iraq, the question facing voters today is "Now what?"

Bush's "plan", despite his decision to retire the phrase "stay to course" is pretty much that... keep on patrolling the place in the hope that someday it will settle down. As plans go that, that's pretty lame. It's just barely better than nothing.

So OK Dems, let's hear it. If you get power, how are you going to clean up Bush's mess? Remember, you can't beet something (even just barely something) with nothing.

Michael Kinsley is the so-called liberal that conservative roundtables love to have on as the token liberal because 90% of the time he succeeds so brilliantly at being irrelevant.

Too bad. On a rare occassion, Kinsley almost makes sense.

Stefan wrote:

Once the car was driven over the cliff by Bush, you can't blame us because we have no clever idea for how to prevent it from hitting the ground.

This is codespeak for:

The Left doesn't have any answers at all for all the complaints they've been trumpeting ad nauseum for the last 2 years. And they'd like to warn you ahead of time that if elected, you will be seeing no 'improvements' of any kind, whatsoever.

This is codespeak for

No, dear, it's "codespeak" for, "Bush has FUBARed Iraq." It really is straightforward, dear; perhaps a course in reading comprehension would help you?

PaulB

I reiterate my question:
"If your party wins, how are you going to go about cleaning up Bush's mess?"

Gregor is sarcastic: Republicans would listen . Your assumption that they wouldn't says more about you than it does about them.

GWB would listen [to any good idea, even if it came from Democrats], of course, as he has done so well in the past.

Indeed the fundamental approach of spreading democracy is a Democratic idea, associated particularly with Woodrow Wilson and JFK. Traditionally, Republicans installed friendly dicgtators.

Like Kevin, I am not a bit surprised to find promised new spending with no method of paying other than higher deficits (implied). Kinsley is being a bit dense, but that comes from expecting no hypocrisy from Democrats.

I've got a plan for Iraq--a very cunning plan: we turn Bush over to the same court that tried Saddam.

per Lawyers Drugs and Money, this is more of Slate's "we dislike Dems, just for reasons other than Republicans" overall theme.

The whole article, on election eve to boot, was some phony attempt to show his indie tendencies. Maybe, should go on Hewitt with that other boob to beg for his support.

No, dear, it's "codespeak" for, "Bush has FUBARed Iraq." It really is straightforward, dear; perhaps a course in reading comprehension would help you?

Ahh, the age-old "reading comprehension" blog-gag. That one never gets tired...

("dear"?? ... typical liberal whackjob)

No, dear, it's "codespeak" for, "Bush has FUBARed Iraq." It really is straightforward, dear; perhaps a course in reading comprehension would help you?

Ahh, the age-old "reading comprehension" blog-gag. That one never gets tired...

("dear"?? ... typical liberal whackjob)

Very happy as the balance of Congressional power shifts at last, not that I have any admiration or loyalty for either party these days. Frankly, Republicans set such a low bar this time that it would have been impossible for Democrats in general NOT to inherit the benefit of the "six year itch".

Kinsley's comments are appropriate. The Democrats are losing an UNpopularity contest tonight; nothing more. It's an adequate outcome, but I keep wishing it were more. More than repudiation of "the other side". More than backlash. More than a message to Republicans that they had better get their act together by 2008. I wish it were a wave of conviction behind some vision, an endorsement of a promissing new way for "doing governance". I wish the party had startled me more with bold ideas and hard nosed statements of principle and bored me less with shopworn cliches.

Frankly, given the Republicans' competitive mentality, my hunch is that in a few days or weeks they'll be doing something like a football coach does at halftime when down 17-10: "we played as badly as we possibly could, and yet we are only down 7, so if we fix the mistakes and focus, we will win this thing in the second half as you know we can and should, and MUST for good old State U."

What I wish is that voters had gotten excited about the Democrats' plans and commitments to the future, especially about the way they said they would govern, enough so that voters would conclude "THESE guys finally get it; they truly DESERVE my support and they have it as long as they act aggressively on their 'Commitment to All Americans' principles" (which is what I would call the hypothetical version of the Contract With America from 1994).

If you vote for me I will turn back time so the Iraq II fiasco never happened. (I never ever ever supported this disaster) You will also receive either a free puppy or a brand new truck. The Democrats lost this war (which I was totally against) between January 1 2007 and March 1 2007.
We had just turned the corner and then they raised the minimum wage thus ending our ability to fight the insurgents. Letting Medicare bargain for lower drug prices also emboldened the terrorists.
Let me be clear to you good people of New Hampshire that I never supported this war that the Democrats lost.

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