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November 21, 2006
By: REPUBLICANS PICK UP THEIR BALL AND GO HOME....It's nice to see the modern Republican Party taking the business of governing the country so seriously:
It's like watching a bunch of first graders stomp off the playground after the teacher has told them to break up a fight. And keep in mind that these bills are already two months overdue: the new federal fiscal year started on October 1, and until the FY07 spending bills are passed the government is forced to wheeze along on continuing resolutions and temporary stopgaps. But who cares about running the country when you have one last opportunity to needle the Democrats? Priorities, priorities.... —Kevin Drum 8:58 PM Permalink | Trackbacks | Comments (138)
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Ah, the Party of Personal Responsibility strikes again.... Posted by: Stefan on November 21, 2006 at 9:00 PM | PERMALINKA year back or so, Republican Senator Pete Domenici (NM) was complaining how difficult and time consuming the budget process was, and proposing that Congress just make up a two-year budget every other year. Yeah, man - to do a budget every year, they might have to meet for more than a few minutes two or three times a week. That's HARD WORK. It's good that these slugs have been voted out of office. Posted by: Zandru on November 21, 2006 at 9:01 PM | PERMALINKHey, I have no problem with this -- I think it's a total gift to the Democratic narrative that We have to clean up their mess in Iraq. We have to clean up their mess from Katrina. We have to clean up their mess with Congressional corruption. Go ahead and throw one more task on the pile, if you ask me. Dems just need to make sure to announce every step of the way that this is what they're doing -- taking care of the people's business that the Republicans didn't care about. The blog host K Drum>
How much, Captain Sensible wonders, is this really driven by the fact that there is a widening divide between two factions of American Republicans--the fiscal conservatives and the barking mad cultural conservatives? If there is a divide, one would hope that this can be exploited by a policy of playing the two factions against one another. A bill that cuts spending but gives free abortions to all would do the job nicely, for example. A hoot, that's what that would be. A hoot! Posted by: Captain Sensible on November 21, 2006 at 9:13 PM | PERMALINKOT alert! (2nd request) Kevin, if you're still around: Have you noticed "jeffery"'s antics on the threads below? Somebody mixed his meds cocktail wrong and he's putting up his garbage every third or fourth post. Surely you're aware of this. Yes, he's lame, inconsequential, pathetic but he does succeed in his distractions. It would be impossible to ignore someone flinging mustard in a gallery while you're trying to look at the paintings. You have many fine commenters here, Kevin, but I'm becoming less and less likely to read them now. I'm sure others like me are similarly being chased away. Forgive my clumsy writing. I'm calling for a kind of censorship and that doesn't sit well. Although making a law against crank callers isn't really censorship is it? Because that's what Charlie/alias/alias/alias/Jeffery is. He's a crank caller who lives to annoy. Please get rid of him. Regards. Funny, the Republicans act just as childishly as Charlie does on these threads. Who would have thought that in American politics we'd have an entire party for corrupt, spoiled, whiny, bedwetting losers. Posted by: trex on November 21, 2006 at 9:14 PM | PERMALINKn-p c: I'll leave the "Veggie Thread" alone if it makes you happy. Back on topic: the Clinton White House pranks like taking off the "W" keys from computers and short-sheeting the Lincoln Bedroom was any better? Posted by: Jeffery on November 21, 2006 at 9:17 PM | PERMALINKPar for the course for the Utterly Useless 109th Congress, and bad for planning and sound budgeting, but isn't this something of a gift to the Dems - that they get to write and approve a year's worth of budget priorities that should have been done by the R's? I feel faintly thankful to the GOP for giving us a chance to strip out huge chunks of red-district pork and zero out some egregious administration boondoggles to start the new Congress. So long, Bridge to Nowhere! Adios, White House Office Of Giving Bundles Of Money To Churches! I can't quite believe they're passing up a last chance to ram through a bunch of pork and nonsense, but hey, I'll take it. Posted by: FMguru on November 21, 2006 at 9:21 PM | PERMALINKClinton White House pranks like taking off the "W" keys from computers Give me proof. A link from a verifiable source. Ari Fleischer's lies do not count. Bet you can't. Posted by: Stranger on November 21, 2006 at 9:22 PM | PERMALINK[troll]But, but, Clinton's staff left some trash in the White House when they left office!!! So the Democrats are just as bad!!![/troll] Posted by: jimBOB on November 21, 2006 at 9:24 PM | PERMALINKWhat Swopa said, and what FMguru said. This is an opportunity, both in a practical and a propaganda sense. The Dems can say they're the Daddy Party, and they can open up those GOP budget bills, clean 'em out, and redo them properly. Bush might veto them, but that would just reinforce the Dems' message that we are the Daddy Party, and they're just a bunch of spoiled kids who won't do shit if they don't get their way. Posted by: RT on November 21, 2006 at 9:26 PM | PERMALINKFMguru>
Giving to these organizations decreased duuring the Bush years, according to David Kuo; the funding was higher during the Clinton years. Among other items in David Kuo's book:
And this grade school behavior is "a surprise" how ? "All successful revolutions are the kicking in of a rotten door." - John Kenneth Galbraith Posted by: daCascadian on November 21, 2006 at 9:27 PM | PERMALINKNote: I hadn't yet read Jeffry's leavings before I wrote my fake troll comment. These people are beyond parody. Posted by: jimBOB on November 21, 2006 at 9:27 PM | PERMALINKLow quality trolls around here . . . (a) Read more, dude. None of that stuff actually happened, a couple of Bush staffers made the story up as a parting shot at the Clintons. (b) Please, please try to think like a grown up. Pranks involving sheets and typewriters are the not the same as deliberately crippling the budget process of the American government, the most powerful and important government in the world. Damn, Just like, to reduce things to your grade level, shooting spitballs at someone isn't like shooting bullets at them? I'm old enough to remember when conservatives were actually patriotic and responsible. The Democratic slogan for this election should have been "It's time to put the grown-ups back in charge." Maybe next time. Or Kos can put it on a t-shirt. Posted by: Berken on November 21, 2006 at 9:28 PM | PERMALINKI'm amazed more people don't realize how little work Congress actually does. They're only in session about 120 days a year, which is about one our of every three days. How about making members of Congress forfeit all pay after October 1st until the budget and spending bills are passed, and how about paying members of Congress by the day (like people who sit on a jury) instead of giving them a salary. Might make them actually spend a little more time actually legislating and a little less time funraising and campaigning. Posted by: mfw13 on November 21, 2006 at 9:38 PM | PERMALINKStranger, jimBOB, and Berken: As I seem to recall, there was a front page Washington Post story: "Bush officials described serious damage that has taken taxpayer money to repair." There was a full accounting of the pranks that some Democrats even, albeit on background, confirmed: the missing "W" keys, the placement of phony signs on certain doors with titles like "Office of Strategery," "Office of Subliminable Messages" and "Division of Uniting," and reports that Clinton staffers had "interspersed blank photocopy paper with other "non-blank" paper. Sorry, but I could not find that link for you all. Bottom line, maybe another D.C. shut-down is just what we need -- at least we know the current occupant of the Oval Office won't get pizza and a blow-job from a barely legal intern again. Eventually, I will concede, an investigation into the rumors found "no permanent, structural damage" to the White House itself. Bernard Ungar, commenting on the report by the General Services Administration, the federal government's property managers, did find "that there were papers all over the place, and that it was really messy." We never did find out if any "W" keys were actually missing from computers. In an interview with Salon, Ungar stopped short of claiming that all the vandalism rumors had been proven false. "There was a sign or two here or there that had been altered," he said, declining to detail the alterations, "but that type of thing was not extensive." In any event, Ungar said, there was not enough information to justify a continued probe. Keep in mind that the GSA's inspection covered only the "real property" in the White House -- the walls, the carpet, heavy furniture and doors -- not the sheets in the Lincoln Bedroom. Records of damage to other property, such as office equipment, computers and phones, were to be provided by Bush's White House staff. But Ungar was told they did not have detailed records and wanted to set a new tone in Washington from the blame game. "They do have reports of repair work being done," Ungar said. "But those wouldn't show the cause of the damage, whether it was intentional or accidental." Posted by: Jeffery on November 21, 2006 at 9:40 PM | PERMALINKI heard they also removed all the Ws from Capitol keyboards... Posted by: NTodd on November 21, 2006 at 9:40 PM | PERMALINKA day late and a dollar short, NTodd. How's that divorce coming along? Posted by: Jeffery on November 21, 2006 at 9:42 PM | PERMALINKJeffererererrrory; ...deliberately crippling the budget process of the American government, the most powerful and important government in the world. Yeah - it would sure suck to be the American soldier in Iraq pinned down by sniper fire, calling in some air support, getting the response; "sorry dude, we can't afford fuel for our jets today, because the Strong Defense party decided to not do the bills this session." - Posted by: Impeach.Remove.Convict.Punish.Justice on November 21, 2006 at 9:43 PM | PERMALINKOBF: Did you not read my 9:40 PM post? Posted by: Jeffery on November 21, 2006 at 9:46 PM | PERMALINKRemoving Ws from Keyboards?!?!! Even if it's not true, it's gotta be true. Posted by: Foundation of Mud on November 21, 2006 at 9:47 PM | PERMALINK"I'm amazed more people don't realize how little work Congress actually does. They're only in session about 120 days a year, which is about one our of every three days." Thats a pretty shallow assessment. There is lots of work they can do without being in session. I'm sure some of them don't work all that much, and others work quite a bit more than most people, but a simple count of days in session isn't going to tell you either way. Posted by: jefff on November 21, 2006 at 9:48 PM | PERMALINKOh, please. It is a non-story>
The disrupter troll is not even competent enough to find actual material to debate. Posted by: Captain Sensible on November 21, 2006 at 9:49 PM | PERMALINKOh, goodie -- can we figure out how much "vacation" the new Democrats take next year? Posted by: Jeffery on November 21, 2006 at 9:50 PM | PERMALINKFor the record, Charlie/Jeffery plagiarized his 9:40 post from an article in Salon.com entitled "The White House Vandal Scandal that Wasn't." archive.salon.com/politics/feature/2001/05/23/vandals/index2.html Makes him feel like he can actually write, when in reality his pathetic skills are limited to cutting and pasting and asking asinine rhetorical questions. And here I thought conservatarians were against the theft of intellectual property. Will the hypocrisy never end? Posted by: trex on November 21, 2006 at 9:50 PM | PERMALINKSorry, but I could not find that link for you all. Fail. Try again. Posted by: Stranger on November 21, 2006 at 9:50 PM | PERMALINKCaptain Sensible: I think I quoted from that very same Salon article, you idiot. Stranger: Last time I checked, the Washington Post is a "verifiable source" -- that article itself cited unnamed Democrats confirming the pranks -- not my fault if you can't believe them. I gave you enough that you can certainly find the "link" yourself. I'm not your Mommy. trex: Thank you for providing a "link" -- some people around here are lost without them -- get a real life, people. Posted by: Jeffery on November 21, 2006 at 9:54 PM | PERMALINKI gave you enough that you can certainly find the "link" yourself. I'm not your Mommy. Fail. Can't do it, can you? Smarter trolls, please. Posted by: Stranger on November 21, 2006 at 9:54 PM | PERMALINKCan't do it, can you? I'm not your Mommy. Posted by: Jeffery on November 21, 2006 at 9:56 PM | PERMALINKI'm not your Mommy. Fail. Not real good at this, are you? Posted by: Stranger on November 21, 2006 at 9:58 PM | PERMALINKPoor Jeffy. Just doesn't get it. Like a bug on a windshield. Posted by: Joel on November 21, 2006 at 10:00 PM | PERMALINKThank you for providing a "link" -- some people around here are lost without them -- get a real life, people. And some people around here are lost without wikipedia and stealing other people's work and passing it off as if it were their own -- namely you. Since the topic of this thread is chronic Republican irresponsiblity and lack of accountability, I think it both fitting and ironic that you're providing a real-time illustration of these defects. Posted by: trex on November 21, 2006 at 10:00 PM | PERMALINKSane posters can find the source of Captain Sensible's quoted article here. My link debunks the myth while quoting Salon, which is often found behind a subscription wall which Captain Sensible respects. The topic of the thread is fertile ground; there are many examples of how the Republican Party has failed to govern properly. People should avail themselves of this individual: He is the author of the quote: "We are trying to change the tones in the state capitals - and turn them toward bitter nastiness and partisanship..." [Denver Post, May 26, 2003] A real snake living in a nest of vipers; a champion of all that this Republic has long rejected. Posted by: Captain Sensible on November 21, 2006 at 10:01 PM | PERMALINKIt's a clever way to slow the growth of pork. Posted by: MatthewRMarler on November 21, 2006 at 10:02 PM | PERMALINKMore evidence of the inability of the modern GOP to govern. Pathetic. Democrats need to conduct the nation's business with dignity and ignore these sore losers.... Posted by: The Conservative Deflator on November 21, 2006 at 10:05 PM | PERMALINKNice work, MRM. You obfuscated, dissembled, projected and deflected all in the space of ten short words. Posted by: Foundation of Mud on November 21, 2006 at 10:10 PM | PERMALINKThe real issue here is what is the effect of failing to pass the budget on the smooth operation of the government. If a journalist wanted to spend some time finding out I suspect he would find that this little stunt is ultimately going to cost the taxpayers a lot of money. This is a final example of the rank incompetence and irresponsibility of the Turd Blossom Republicans. Posted by: Ron Byers on November 21, 2006 at 10:18 PM | PERMALINKIt's a clever way to slow the growth of pork. A better way is to stop electing Republican war-profiteers. Posted by: Impeach.Remove.Convict.Punish.Justice on November 21, 2006 at 10:19 PM | PERMALINKActually, this may come back to bite them in the butt. Think of all the times in the past few years that Congressional Republicans added offensive legislation to omnibus spending bills, bills that could not be blocked by Democrats since the rules for those bills were different. Payback could very well be a real bitch. Posted by: PaulB on November 21, 2006 at 10:20 PM | PERMALINKDid you not read my 9:40 PM post? Weak. Posted by: Impeach.Remove.Convict.Punish.Justice on November 21, 2006 at 10:23 PM | PERMALINKPayback could very well be a real bitch. Yes, I suspect there will be many very sharp deflection points on graphs produced by the GAO in coming years - deflection points that coincide with the end of this congressional session. Of course, they'll find ways to explain that shit away on FoxNews. Posted by: Impeach.Remove.Convict.Punish.Justice on November 21, 2006 at 10:25 PM | PERMALINKhttp://img.timeinc.net/time/cartoons/20061119/8.jpg Posted by: Darla on November 21, 2006 at 10:33 PM | PERMALINKOf course, they'll find ways to explain that shit away on FoxNews. They can just ask the new Republican "Minority Speaker" for an explanation. Posted by: trex on November 21, 2006 at 10:46 PM | PERMALINKAT LEAST THEY'RE NOT ATTEMPTING TO FILIBUSTER COURT NOMINEES JUST BECAUSE YOU DON'T WIN ELECTIONS. TOH Posted by: The Objective Historian on November 21, 2006 at 10:51 PM | PERMALINKA day late and a dollar short, NTodd. How's that divorce coming along? Great, thanks for asking. And my Mom's still dead, too. Posted by: NTodd on November 21, 2006 at 10:53 PM | PERMALINKIf a journalist wanted to spend some time finding out... Sorry. I'll be working on the Nancy-Pelosi-is-a-total-disaster story for the next two years. Posted by: journalist on November 21, 2006 at 10:55 PM | PERMALINKHowever despicable, it WILL slightly drag down the DFL spring agenda. Maybe staffers will work extra hard to muddle thru (?). I heard they removed the W's from the kitchen menu. The waffles were simply affle. Posted by: wishIwuz2 on November 21, 2006 at 10:58 PM | PERMALINKAnd my Mom's still dead, too. I'm sorry to hear that. Posted by: Swopa on November 21, 2006 at 11:00 PM | PERMALINKBut even tho the budgets will take some time away from the DFL agenda, it won't hur the Medicare issue. That won't take 5 minutes. In the current political environment, which GOP member will dare take up the fight to keep Medicare prices high? Posted by: wishIwuz2 on November 21, 2006 at 11:06 PM | PERMALINKRepublicans vacating the Capitol are dumping a big spring cleaning job on Democrats moving in. GOP leaders have opted to leave behind almost a half-trillion-dollar clutter of unfinished spending bills. since they didn't finish their work they're going to give back the unearned wages, right? here in America you have to earn a living -- there's no free lunch. at least that's what they're always telling us. i know an immigrant farm worker who'd gladly give up the back breaking work to sit around and ignore budget bills instead for a hundred grand a year. Posted by: st on November 21, 2006 at 11:14 PM | PERMALINKHey, all. New to the site, but had to post... is this Jeffery character real? Do people actually go through their lives with blinders on like this guy? Jeffery, you moron, the Republican party has screwed up our country TIME AND TIME AGAIN and doesn't give two craps about you and your pathetic little mind. What they care about is your money... taking it, spending it and taxing it. You have no idea what the hell you are talking about in the world of politics... your party has fooled you into blindly following a carrot like Hitler did to his sorry ass followers. Look, go find a nice, quiet corner & jack off on someone elses time. Your quibble is without substance and doesn't deserve a voice. Posted by: Kennery on November 21, 2006 at 11:21 PM | PERMALINKRemember: no one died when Clinton lied. Posted by: Kennery on November 21, 2006 at 11:24 PM | PERMALINKIt will be great to see John Spratt in charge of the budget process. At this time, Congress should be working on the 08 budget, not tweaking 07. Posted by: bakho on November 21, 2006 at 11:30 PM | PERMALINKWell, don't blame the Republicans, bakho. If it wasn't for Clinton tweaking interns, this country would be a much better place! Oh, and Stranger... I'm not your Mommy, but I really want to be. I just won't admit it to myself. Posted by: Jeffery on November 21, 2006 at 11:36 PM | PERMALINKWhat ever happened to that "coalition of the willing" thingy? Posted by: elmo on November 21, 2006 at 11:53 PM | PERMALINKLook, go find a nice, quiet corner & jack off on someone elses time. The doctor said I have to wait until the warts are completely gone. Posted by: Jeffery on November 22, 2006 at 12:06 AM | PERMALINKMathew R Marler demonstrates an important point. The Republicans are good at two things: propaganda, and bitching. You will note that governing is not on the list, neither is fiscal discipline, national security, nor self-reflection. Were the Republicans good at any of the things not on the list they might not have to create wars in order to get their incompetents elected. By being good at propaganda and bitching they managed to gain a majority in 1994. By being good at bitching they managed to get the press to stop reporting on their incompetence long enough for them to steal the 2000 election. But at no time since Nixon demonstrated the fundamental crookedness of the modern Republican Party have they put governance ahead of their own narrow interests. At no time since they sold their souls to win the south have they been Americans before they were Republicans. It is as hard to be a patriotic Republican as it is to be a moon walker; it can be done, but the site of one is an international news story. Would you want the Republicans to be your employee? Posted by: parrot on November 22, 2006 at 12:26 AM | PERMALINKA day late and a dollar short, NTodd. How's that divorce coming along? Honestly Kevin, do you need anymore reason to ban this waste of skin? Posted by: AnotherBruce on November 22, 2006 at 1:58 AM | PERMALINKIt's a clever way to slow the growth of pork. How disappointing. I thought you were smarter than that. Posted by: craigie on November 22, 2006 at 2:00 AM | PERMALINKJeffery >"...I have to wait until the warts are completely gone." Those are scabs boy, don`t you know the difference ? Man these people are lost "Against stupidity, the very gods themselves must contend in vain." - Friedrich von Shille parrot >"Would you want the Republicans to be your employee?" Uhhh, they ARE our employees No wonder we`ve got all these unsolved problems... "...a culture of hiring children to do work that requires experience leads to childish results." - Robert Cahn Posted by: daCascadian on November 22, 2006 at 2:55 AM | PERMALINKRepublicans - whiny ass titty babies, all of them. Posted by: Stating the obvious on November 22, 2006 at 3:17 AM | PERMALINKWell, they've always had balls, but they haven't got balls, if ya know what I mean. Posted by: Tilli (Mojave Desert) on November 22, 2006 at 3:40 AM | PERMALINKSurely, we have someone on the Hill clever enough to take proper revenge for this: In January, strip out the pork for Republican districts. And when the Democrats get a chance to do some oversight, one hopes, amid the investigations of corruption and dishonesty, phony intelligence and real stupidity, some attention can be paid to the rightwing opinion industry: to see just who makes Drudge a star (yes , a Simpsons reference), to see how fundamentalist churches have become outlets for Republican/rightist talking points, and, yes, Jeffery, the phenomenon of Paid Trolling. Given the persistance and perverse nature of the true troll, I cannot think it is produced without a financial incentive, as a black propoganda tool.. Just to get this straight: if the GOP had passed all these budget bills, you would be complaining that they were rapidly forcing through their agenda in a lame duck session against the majority will of the American people who had just created a Democratic majority. But since instead--due to an intra-GOP fight over pork/earmarks--they are letting the Democratic majority handle these bills, they are a bunch of responsibility shirking bastard Hitlerites? Is there anything that you can't spin anti-GOP??? Posted by: Reality on November 22, 2006 at 9:38 AM | PERMALINKThe adults are in charge... We are seeing a preview of 2008 when the Republican president skips out and leaves a Back on topic: the Clinton White House pranks like taking off the "W" keys from computers and short-sheeting the Lincoln Bedroom was any better? Demonstrating, yet again, that the only requirement to belong to today's Repukeliscum Party is compleat and utter stupidity. Posted by: POed Lib on November 22, 2006 at 9:48 AM | PERMALINKI'm coming in late to this thread and haven't read the whole thing, so maybe somebody's already made this point: This is nothing compared to what we'll see when Bush and his thugs leave office. Traditionally outgoing administrations co-operate with the incoming team. In '09 there will be massive non-cooperation to cover up the crimes and misdeeds of the thugs. You heard it first here. Posted by: 2.7182818 on November 22, 2006 at 9:50 AM | PERMALINKOh please. This is normal. dont' just tell half of the story, and make it loRepublicans are whiners (which of course all of politics is). Democrats did the same things....remember the Clinton gang leaving the white House? Posted by: .net on November 22, 2006 at 10:08 AM | PERMALINK"But since instead--due to an intra-GOP fight over pork/earmarks........." You obviously did not read the same article I did. The so-call intra-party fight was all about political expediency and fear for their valuable 'legacy'. Those arguing to 'finish the job' were the only ones invoking principle. The only principle the conservative legislators were invoking was political survival. So much for conservative principles. In their shameless expediency, they are the true heirs of Lenin. Way to go, comrades. Posted by: bobbyp on November 22, 2006 at 10:10 AM | PERMALINKHow hard would it be to demand verifiable email addresses during the sign-in to post. "none@nowhere" is obviously not a valid email address. (Sendmail has a validate function that could simply be lifted intact into posting software. Sendmail scales well. The low level traffic of blogs wouldn't hurt any performance on the server.) Validated logins would be great. Actual names would be better. And either a per thread limit or a per hour limit on posts would be heaven. Is the reason behind not implementing these simple restrictions financial? Posted by: Jeffrey Davis on November 22, 2006 at 10:16 AM | PERMALINKValidated logins would be great. Actual names would be better. I disagree with actual names. There are a lot of people who post here under pseudonyms who would not be comfortable writing as freely if they knew that current or potential former employers, the government, etc. would know what they wrote. Posted by: Stefan on November 22, 2006 at 10:20 AM | PERMALINKdeliberately crippling the budget process of the American government, the most powerful and important government in the world. The UN is the most importnentest gubmint in da world. Posted by: Alcee Hustlings on November 22, 2006 at 10:25 AM | PERMALINKTo use actual names you'd need moderation, because not everyone wants their name associated with the spew that gets tossed around. Pseudonyms are OK. It's the spoofing that is disruptive. But there are sign-on processes that preserve anonymity while preventing spoofing. Posted by: Red State Mike on November 22, 2006 at 10:29 AM | PERMALINKThere are a lot of people who post here under pseudonyms who would not be comfortable writing as freely if they knew that current or potential former employers, the government, etc. would know what they wrote. Not to mention the superfreak stalkers out there. They do exist. Posted by: shortstop on November 22, 2006 at 10:40 AM | PERMALINKJeffery's only posting at about 18% of the comments so far. His mom must be making him clean his room. Posted by: Ban Jeffery/Jeffrey on November 22, 2006 at 10:45 AM | PERMALINKIt's more of a free speech thing, Jeffrey Davis...and a means to increase site traffic by not requiring people to register. I do wish that the email addys would at least be masked so they can't be harvested by email spam bots...I've won both the National and International UK email lottery this week, for example...But Yahoo has a good spam filter, so it's not that bad. If Dim Turds like Jeffery choose to display their lack of honesty, smarts, web etiquette, and common decency by splattering their crap here, I can choose to ignore it and have a more meaningful conversation with others. He's no worse than McA or some of the others that have posted here in the past. He's not special. Apologies for the off-topic post, but all the complaining on this and other threads is giving me a headache. Posted by: grape_crush on November 22, 2006 at 10:49 AM | PERMALINKshortstop, That turkey you have brining in the bathtub, needs to be turned. Just move the drying panty hose to the left. Posted by: super stalker on November 22, 2006 at 10:58 AM | PERMALINKCaptain Sensible says: Any time you base something on the honor system, there will always be an individual without honor who tries to ruin it for everyone else. This is true of that little snack/candy tray that used to sit there in the office. Well, we now know that our disrupter troll was involved in shovelling all of the sweets into his backpack on Friday, leaving the kitty short fifty bucks or so. His reward? An enormous gut and a tummy ache. Perhaps it kept us from the treats as well. Registration would be fine to enact. Not sure who would register, as the occasional drop-in commenter who has something to add should always be encouraged. Lurkers, you have things to say, do not hesitate to say them. Posted by: Captain Sensible on November 22, 2006 at 10:59 AM | PERMALINKYou should be applauding the Republicans that gummed up the works. If you wish to criticize the leadership for not stripping out the pork as was demanded, then that is OK with me, but I would be perfectly happy with the incoming Congress just passing continuing resolutions from now until the next century. And look on the bright side- it give the Democrats a chance to put their imprint on this year's budget. It is like getting elected an entire year earlier than they actually did. Posted by: Yancey Ward on November 22, 2006 at 11:00 AM | PERMALINKSomeone name of Yancey Ward>
No, the works being gummed up causes problems for the ship of state called the Republic known as the US of A. Things should not be gummed up and applauding the lack of cohesion, this is obstructionism and irresponsibility on the part of the Republicans. Govern responsibly or sit on the back bench and hush. Posted by: Captain Sensible on November 22, 2006 at 11:05 AM | PERMALINKgrape_crush, Do believe that "We" are going to have to split that lottery ticket - reminds me of the time I upset the guy, who might have been the one just arrested in the dust powder mail case, and had to fend off spam for days. However, when one has reached the nadir of slime by smearing, in the worst manner, Global Citizen, it is time for Kevin to take action and delete such highly offensive toxic waste. Posted by: thethirdPaul on November 22, 2006 at 11:06 AM | PERMALINKWho on earth is surprised by this? I've never seen a bigger bunch of whiners and children in my life than Republicans. They complain EVERY time they don't get every single thing they want, blame everyone but themselves, and generally make themselves look like children-desperate-to-be-see-as-adults. Posted by: Mike B. on November 22, 2006 at 11:16 AM | PERMALINKCaptain Sensible, Bullshit. The government has operated on continuing resolutions for entire budget years in the past when Democrats controlled the Congress, and the great ship of state somehow managed not to hit a reef and sink. And, as someone pointed out above, if they had passed all the bills ladened with pork, Kevin would probably have written a blog entry pointing out all the pork that was being passed in the lame duck session just before the Democrats could come in and clean it all out of the budget (not that I believe they would since a lot of the pork also goes to Democratic districts). Coburn, McCain, and their too small group of like-minded colleagues deserve praise for torpedoing these bills. The unfortunate thing is that the bills will probably still be passed next year with just as much pork, but of a slightly different variety. Like I wrote, target the criticism at the leadership for not stripping the earmarks out of the budgets, or, at the very least, actually going through the process of voting down all of the stripping amendments that Coburn was prepared to bring to the floor. Next year, I hope they continue to do exactly the same thing they have done here. Posted by: Yancey Ward on November 22, 2006 at 11:18 AM | PERMALINKMike B.: If the GOP had passed all of the budget bills, are you certain you wouldn't be complaining about any of those? Posted by: Jeffery on November 22, 2006 at 11:19 AM | PERMALINKCaptain OftenSensible, As the USS Intrepid is being pulled from the muck and mire of the Jersey shore, we will have to continue onward with the Intrepid being our new ship of state until the USS Breath of Fresh Air is commissioned in 08. The former Bushtanic, having become a vastly overloaded garbage skow, has sunken into the mud of the Potomac - The loyal seenoevilmen have stayed behind setting bangalores in a futile attempt to suspend history. The deranged skipper is being transferred to the Intrepid, while he mulls either nuking Argentina because of his daughter's purse theft, or Hawaii, for the mugging of one of his staff. Posted by: thethirdPaul on November 22, 2006 at 11:24 AM | PERMALINKif they had passed all the bills ladened with pork So we should thank the Republicans for saving us from their own corruption. I'm comfortable with that. Posted by: enozinho (wetorture.com) on November 22, 2006 at 11:26 AM | PERMALINKOn the issue of trolls like Jeffery: I have watched such battles for years on this and other blogs with great amusement. How do you stop trolls? It is very, very easy- you don't reply to them. Every person who engages such commenters is giving the troll exactly what he wants. All of you who conceive of yourselves as the site's troll stomper/smasher/annihilators are nothing of the sort, and are only contributing to the problem. Calling for banishment is a slippery slope since people who are not trolls, but who have a different political position can be permanently banned by either accident or intention by a moderator who happens to misjudge a person by a single comment, or who simply doesn't like contrary opinion. Kevin is to be praised for allowing completely open debate on the threads. It is a strength, not a weakness of Political Animal. Posted by: Yancey Ward on November 22, 2006 at 11:29 AM | PERMALINKIf the Dems do make cuts to the FY07 budget won't the Republicans, a few years from now, be claiming credit for these cuts and using any lack of real difference between the FY07 and FY08 budgets to minimise the effect Dems have had on spending? Posted by: Gay and black aren't nouns on November 22, 2006 at 11:30 AM | PERMALINKthethirdPaul on November 22, 2006 at 11:06 AM: Do believe that "We" are going to have to split that lottery ticket.. Nah. Y'all can have the proceeds from the Euro email lottery I won last week, 'cause I believe in sharing wealth. I'm good like that. ..by smearing, in the worst manner, Global Citizen.. Missed that one...Bet GC ripped him a new asshole, 'tho. ...it is time for Kevin to take action and delete such highly offensive toxic waste. Personal attacks, yes. But the standard "but Clinton did it" postings, no. It's up to us to ignore it or call bullshit. Posted by: grape_crush on November 22, 2006 at 11:31 AM | PERMALINKSomeone name of Yancey Ward>
Somehow, using the method of "half-assing" ones way through life does not appeal to people who wish to change things for the better. With so many issues to solve, one would hope that the new Democrats will not have to resort to "half-assing" their way through months of debate over budget issues so that they can be free to tackle issues of a domestic nature while they provide much-needed oversight of the Executive branch.
Captain Sensible thinks the Republicans should have had their last pig out at the trough on this pork--it would have made a great item to throw at the wall in 2008. The before and after picture is going to be wonderful to campaign upon--before the Democrats, the Republicans were throwing massive amounts of pork out there, after, the Democrats eliminated the pork.
They don't deserve praise at all. The Straight Talk Express doesn't really exist, you know, and McCain won't even get the nomination from the Republican Party if he runs. The hope is that the Democrats can strip out earmarks and govern responsibly. If they cannot do this, they do not deserve to remain in power. You praise sleek parliamentary moves, I would choose to praise the passage of responsible legislation that balances our budget and leads us back to fiscal responsibility. This is why I wish the last bills had passed as a means of contrasting just how poorly the Republicans have governed and how they are, truthfully, the tax and spend party.
You hope for bad government? How far have we sunk where you praise failure and dishonesty while condemning the efforts of people to govern responsibly? Captain Sensible thinks you are playing a zero-sum game and don't care whether the country benefits or not, so long as your side wins. This is nothing to be proud of, but shame probably doesn't figure into your worldview. How do you stop trolls? It is very, very easy- you don't reply to them. on a very busy forum like this, there is always someone new, who doesn't know who the trolls are, who will give the trolls enough attention to keep them around. in other words: DNFTT is only workable in a small, relatively closed, community. add in the problem we have here where the resident trolls keep changing their handles, making it tough for even the regulars to maintain a DNFTT policy, and, well, DNFTT just can't work. Posted by: cleek on November 22, 2006 at 11:36 AM | PERMALINKI cannot fathom a time when we will look back at the Bush presidencies with fondness. I can, however, remember a time when my country lost a leader whose legacy trancends most presidents. At 2pm Eastern time 11/22/06, reflect upon what we all lost in Dallas on that fateful day. ...Ask not what you can do for your country, but how you can squeeze the most amount of profit... (George W. Do you even understand what JFK meant?) Posted by: Tom Nicholson on November 22, 2006 at 11:36 AM | PERMALINKCaptain Sensible, What is dishonest about offering amendments to strip pork out of the budget? It would be nice if the bills were constructed without the pork in the first place, but that is not how it is done in Washington, and it is not how it will be done by the Democrats. To simply swallow one's principles and allow such bills to pass without opposition is what is dishonest. I hope they can gather some more Democrat colleagues in the next Congress to aid them. This is how change happens-it starts with a small group of dissenters and, in this case, hopefully grows into a larger one. Posted by: Yancey Ward on November 22, 2006 at 11:38 AM | PERMALINKlost a leader whose legacy trancends most presidents. Chappaquiddick. I will believe Murtha eliminating pork when I see it!!! Posted by: Jeffery on November 22, 2006 at 11:39 AM | PERMALINKSurely, we have someone on the Hill clever enough to take proper revenge for this: In January, strip out the pork for Republican districts. In this fiery red state of Georgia, I expect a sudden end to the totally unnatural boom that's been going on. It's developers and their Washington contacts that have generally ruined this place since Gingrich and the '96 Olympics. Strip out the pork, please! Posted by: slanted tom on November 22, 2006 at 11:40 AM | PERMALINKSomeone name of thethirdPaul>
Argentina? Home to all of the Nazis who escaped Germany? The same ones who benefitted from the inimitable Prescott Bush to the detriment of this country? Can you say irony without cracking a smile? One wonders if the great-grandson of a Herr Uberoberstunderoffizier or whomever is now hacking into her BlackBerry to find all of those secret IMs between her and that fellow name of Ashton Kutcher who provided The Chronic to the Bush girls (most allegedly, of course). Posted by: Captain Sensible on November 22, 2006 at 11:40 AM | PERMALINKTom Nicolson: JFK was the last great Democrat. Want to discuss his vision of national security or taxes? Posted by: Jeffery on November 22, 2006 at 11:41 AM | PERMALINKcleek, I don't really buy what you are writing. There are many, many commenters (certainly, the large majority) in this and the threads below who are long-term members here who are feeding the trolls, not just newbies. And even a newbie should realize relatively quickly that someone is a troll. Posted by: Yancey Ward on November 22, 2006 at 11:42 AM | PERMALINKCaptain Sensible: Wasn't Mr. Kutcher most recently calling out a certain FORMER President for hitting on Mrs. Kutcher? Yancey: Depends on your definition of "trolling" -- someone brings up JFK on a thread criticizing today's GOP is "fair game" for comparison of JFK to today's GOP -- cleek OTOH is probably best ignored. Posted by: Jeffery on November 22, 2006 at 11:45 AM | PERMALINKSomeone name of Yancey Ward>
I must stop you there, because Captain Sensible notices you are basing your presumption on that which has not happened yet and won't be reality until the newly-Democratically controlled Congress takes the oath of office and can go to work. Captain Sensible knows that the process of attaching amendments to legislation needs to be transparent to all; if this does not happen, Captain Sensible will be cross with the Democrats he voted for and hold them accountable. As was stated earlier, If the Democrats don't improve the process, they do not deserve to remain in power.
Captain Sensible hopes they won't need to and that the Democratic caucus can clean up the process and make it more transparent. This is what the American people would like to see happen; bipartisanship only works when Republicans actually want to engage in it, and the quote Captain Sensible thinks of when he thinks of Republicans and bipartisanship involves the term "date rape" and no, the Democrats have never been willing accomplices to "date rape" over the last twelve years because they have never controlled any aspect of the legislative process, courtesy someone name of Tom Delay.
Dissenters usually emerge from the minority that is not in power; your wish that responsible Republicans can emerge is worth of praise and applause, but Captain Sensible has a background in agriculture, and knows that the fox usually does a poor job of guarding the henhouse. Posted by: Captain Sensible on November 22, 2006 at 11:48 AM | PERMALINKB thinks Captain Sensible is a thinly disguised Bob Dole. Posted by: B on November 22, 2006 at 11:50 AM | PERMALINKCaptain Sensible: I knew I remembered Ashton talking about that on Jay Leno's show (here's a "link" for all of you idiots who won't believe anything you don't see on the computer screen): http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2006450454,00.html Posted by: Jeffery on November 22, 2006 at 11:50 AM | PERMALINKThere are many, many commenters (certainly, the large majority) in this and the threads below who are long-term members here who are feeding the trolls sure. i suppose i left out the part about "even if you could get all the regulars to follow a DNFTT policy...[all that stuff i wrote]" that is, even if the regulars ignore them, there are still people who won't - either because they don't know they should, or because they haven't caught onto ChaThoJeff's latest handle. and, well, some people just like to argue - troll or not. Posted by: cleek on November 22, 2006 at 11:53 AM | PERMALINKSomeone name of B>
Not a good guess, actually. Did Bob Dole vote straight Democratic in the last election? Perhaps he did; the old fellow was a pragmatist, after all. No one has really discussed how poorly Liddy Dole did running the Republican Senatorial races in this country. Should she resign in shame? Captain Sensible thinks Liddy Dole should run all Republican races in the future and head the RNC, but that's only because watching Republicans lose elections makes Captain Sensible laugh and do a little victory dance in the garden. Posted by: Captain Sensible on November 22, 2006 at 11:55 AM | PERMALINK"I'm not your Mommy." Oh yes you are, Mr. Mom. Here's your profile: http://sadlyno.com/archives/002902.html So much for Bush41 cleaning up "Junior's" mess: "My son is an honest man . . . [he] is not going to back away. He's not going to change his view because some poll says this or some poll says that, or some heartfelt comments from the lady who feels deeply in her heart about something. You can't be President of the United States and conduct yourself if you're going to cut and run. This is going to work out in Iraq. I understand the anxiety. It's not easy." Bush also told the audience its derisive hoots were mild compared to the reaction he got in Germany in the 1980s, after persuading the country to deploy U.S. nuclear missiles. He told the audience including dozens of women in black robes and head scarves he was extremely proud of his sons. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061121/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_defending_bush_1 Happy Thanksgiving, one and all! Posted by: Jeffery on November 22, 2006 at 12:05 PM | PERMALINKAs Bush the First went on to say "Yeah, I know Gen McCaffery was kicking ass (some think a touch too much) on the road north to Baghdad, and I know that we could have taken Saddam out in a heartbeat, but I really wanted to emulate my mentor Saint Ronny and cut and run - Hey, I just wanted to bloody Saddam's nose, not leave a power vacuum for intersectarian violence" And now back to the current pork thread - Interesting that in so many Congressional minds, pork only means that which is spent in the other person's district - Just go to Tom Coburn M.D.'s Senatorial site - On one side, he has his Pork Barrel meme - on the other side, he has an extensive listing of ways to obtain federal grants, for Oklahomans only, of course. Oh, did I mention that Tom is a Medical Doctor? - From his site, it is sooooooo hard to tell. Surprises me that he doesn't include visiting hours - But, remember, military pork is only spent at Fort Lewis and Benning - Never, never, never at Fort Sill! Posted by: thethirdPaul on November 22, 2006 at 12:24 PM | PERMALINKJust saw a headline asking "Is America ready for a Mormon president?" My guess is no problem as long as we can survive the "Moron president!" Posted by: AluminumKen on November 22, 2006 at 12:36 PM | PERMALINKBullshit. The government has operated on continuing resolutions for entire budget years in the past when Democrats controlled the Congress.. Talk about bullshit. Where do you get your information? The budgeting process immediately degenerated into chaos in the wake of the 1994 elections. Just pick the year and do your own research. Suggest you focus on the reaction of the private major financial houses (e.g., Goldman Sachs) and the publically funded non-partisan CBO to the Republican budgets (or should I say non-budgets?). The numbers in Republican budgets have been so contrived that serious budget analysts have ignored them. OTHO, the budgets submitted by Clinton and Carter were well-received and proved over time to have contained legitimate projections regarding expenditures and receipts. Posted by: little ole jim from red country on November 22, 2006 at 12:37 PM | PERMALINKSomeone name of AluminumKen
America is ready for three first ladies. Posted by: Captain Sensible on November 22, 2006 at 12:38 PM | PERMALINKCaptain Sensible, It is quite easy to extrapolate into the future since pork-for-the-voters is a time-honored process of bill construction, and Republicans have not always been in control. One might ask why so few Democrats in the past 12 years proposed individual amendments to strip pork out of bills? The reason is that the majority and the minority agree to not attack each other's pork. I am a pessimist- I expect no change. The two parties will continue to trade pork with each other. Posted by: Yancey Ward on November 22, 2006 at 12:42 PM | PERMALINKRe: ban the trolls My entreaty above (yesterday 9:13PM) was only about Jeffery and his sociopathic, passive-aggressive determination to wreck this place. I have no hope or even wish to ban trolls. Trolls (and troll-resemblers) generally make good snark-pinatas and sometimes actually provide necessary counter-argument. I share Yancey Ward's praise of Kevin's non-censorship. Constant, deliberate, over-frequent, insult-laden disruption. That's my issue. Posted by: non-paying customer on November 22, 2006 at 12:45 PM | PERMALINKn-p c: I left the "Veggie Thread" mostly intact for you. Posted by: Jeffery on November 22, 2006 at 12:47 PM | PERMALINKSomeone name of Yancey Ward>
For the last twelve years, they have controlled the House. And Tom Delay ran the show. He and he alone determined what was sent to the floor for a vote. Research his methods and you will come to know him as The Hammer.
See the name above? Tom Delay? Would you spend all of your effort writing amendments that have zero change of being considered, added, adopted or voted upon?
No, you're blind to the fact that this is a schism within the Republican Party. Captain Sensible will now acquaint you with a man named Rep. Mike Pence of Indiana, who is poised to emerge as a new leader in the Republican Party if he can survive. This article is full of interesting facts; pay close attention to the fact that:
And a curious item about the new philosophy of the Republican Party:
The central tenet of the Republican Party's CWA was...anyone? Fiscal restraint. It's going to be a tough road for you, someone name of Yancey Ward. You may want to just join the Democratic Party now and get it over with. Posted by: Captain Sensible on November 22, 2006 at 12:56 PM | PERMALINKOnce again, I applaud your battle field promotion from a tough NCO to that of Captain. In your incessant war against Shrubocracy, you have proven gallant, Citizen Sensible. And railroad tracks better suit you than that of mere single bars - No OCS guy, you - Dang, don't go and get RIFTED now, hear? Posted by: thethirdPaul on November 22, 2006 at 1:26 PM | PERMALINKSomeone name of thethirdPaul> And you shall know my by the trail of the dead. Posted by: Captain Sensible on November 22, 2006 at 1:32 PM | PERMALINKHey this is great for you Dems!Do what you come for.Dont do nothing on what you ran on.This is going to be fun,after all you Guys won the Election.In the Spirit of By Partyshit I think the Republicans done what is Right.Leaving behind Spendind Measures,take the Ball and run with it.Miss America will Lead you down the Path to Somewhere.Hey I'll help.First thing to do is Cut all funding %10 across the board.Everything!!.Second Cut all Forgein Aid %25 Execpt for Food and Medical Aid to Africa.Those People need help and you know unless we do it it wont get done. Three take all INCOME TAX OFF OF ANYONE WHO MAKES LESS THAN $23,500 a year,stop taking any FICA deduction from pay checks !You Cry about help the working poor do something about it.Shut up about The War,just shut up about it,simple.You know you cant Jerk funding because HALF OF THE DEMOCRATS WILL NOT GO ALONG WITH IT, and you know GOP members wont.Bush will see it through,just think in 08 if we are still there you will win The Whitehouse.I am one of those Republicans that felt deserted by the Republicans for Being to Moderate and being Un able to do what they were sent to D C for.Am I glad you all won,Hell NO!!!!It is just a good Slap up side the head for the G O P.You should act like Repunklicans,afterall thats how you won a majority.Oh and last,thing tell Murtha to go Hide for two years,he is an Embarrasment to The Marine Corp. Posted by: Glyn Lockhart on November 22, 2006 at 6:41 PM | PERMALINKFor the record (since I've seen this now on about three threads I've read): We discussed this with Kevin several months ago. PA can neither siteban by IP nor implement validated registration to ban by email address. WM uses an older version of MoveableType software, and apparently it's too expensive to spring for the newer version. So this is out of Kevin's hands -- it's an issue of the magazine and they're not interested in springing for new software / hiring someone who can maybe update to cheaper / free blog software with those features. Otherwise, Kevin has posted that he wouldn't be averse to banning one or two thoroughly noxious individuals if he could -- despite having a tempremental aversion (which I for one appreciate) to playing net nanny -- let alone the time -- by policing the threads. 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