Bush is just plain cluless,he has no idea what day of the month it is or what day of the week,Who could have voted for this moron.

Maybe Webb should have just replied, "Worse than your daughters in Argentina."

" a civil and caring question, as one parent to another," from one parent whose twins are enjoying the night life of South America with Secret Service protection to a parent whose son is enjoying the night life of Iraq?

Clueless on several fronts.

C'mon -- you know that Bush agonizes over each and every person killed in Iraq. Almost as much as his furor and outrage over the murder of snowflake children at fertility clinics!

I can understand why everyone this morning is focusing on Will's rewrite of the Webb-Bush dialogue.

But the rest of it's rather interesting too. Will quotes a paragraph from Webb's WSJ op-ed, does his best grande dame-ish "Well", and then proceeds to criticize the quality of Webb's prose, his use of 'literally' and 'infinitely', and his failure to define our economic 'top tier' precisely.

Will throws a couple of minor cavils at the substance of Webb's claims, but treats substance as completely secondary to grammar and usage.

In other words, Will's got nothin'.

George Will merely reinforces what most people aleady know - George Will is a "boor."

As a liberal, it's understandable that Webb is uncomfortable talking about his son's military service. His son is doing his duty to his country and Webb finds that disquieting.

Catch 22, you could also use a H.

I certainly hope that Senator-elect Webb would say nothing that would cause Georgie to soil his silk panties.

As a liberal, it's understandable that Webb is uncomfortable talking about his son's military service. His son is doing his duty to his country and Webb finds that disquieting.

You are fucking kidding, right, parody Al? You aren't going to insist we sharpen the knives on your aWol loser of a pretzle-nut, are you?

As a liberal, it's understandable that Webb is uncomfortable talking about his son's military service. His son is doing his duty to his country and Webb finds that disquieting.

What the fuck are you talking about, you moron?

Bush really suffers from an inferiority complex which forces him to pretend to be what he knows he should be. All those photo ops in military regalia, the War President speeches. Needling Webb, a veteran whose son is serving in the military, is a way of acting superior. And is there any better revenge on the National Guard than what he is doing to them now? After Iraq there are few people who will think of the National Guard as a cushy job given to you by your dad's connections.

Bush is pathetic.

I'd like to see someone kick George Will's ass right across the stage set of that Sunday television show that he's on, driving him slowly out of the studio altogether while Will makes impotent little twisty protective gestures at the offending foot.

I'd like to see that.

James Webb's first response was rude. Suppose, in a social setting, Kevin Drum greeted me, saying, "How are you?"

It would be rude of me to respond, "Fuck you, liberal death-monger!"

In effect, that's what Webb did.

ex-liberal nails it.

Greg Sargent is lying.

Webb was rude to Bush FIRST. Bush was rude to Webb right back.

It would be rude of me to respond, "Fuck you, liberal death-monger!"

So true. However, a simple "fuck you, you lying, sociopathic sack of yellow shit" suits any occasion in the Bush White House. Webb should be ashamed of himself for not saying that instead.

I read Will this morning before I remembered that life is too short to waste reading George Will.

His quibbling about whether Webb's definition of rich folks is robust enough to withstand scrutiny -- Jesus Christ. I got Webb's point loud and clear.

Webb's not some half-assed grad student trying so specify variables for a regression. He's someone who earned a living using words to convey what he wants to say. Contrary to Will, I think Webb succeeded.

Don't you just want to slap the shit out of smug little George Will?

What is that advice Al always gives so freely? Is it "CLICK THE LINK! ALWAYS CLICK THE LINK!!!"?

Well, I clicked the link. Here is the compare and contrast between George will and an actual reporter. The actual reporter points out that the Pretzle-nut got pissy first:

Will omitted the pissy retort from the President that provoked Webb. Will cut out the line from the President where he said: "That's not what I asked you." In Will's recounting, that instead became a sign of Bush's parental solicitiousness: "The president again asked `How's your boy?'"

In effect, that's what Webb did.

You know what else is rude? Peddling lame and obvious bullshit on comment threads -- and worse, pretending that no one notices, like a slob acting innocent as the stench of his fart warfts about. In effect, that's what "ex-liberal" does all the time.

It would be rude if you said Liberal Death-Monger, but it would be accurate if we said Conservative Death-Monger.

Bush's question was a taunt. As a man, Webb's everything that Bush isn't. So, Bush's question was simply a bully's reminder that Bush controls what happens to Webb's son.

"Your heroism and intellect didn't get you quite far enough, eh, smarty pants?"

to those who think Jenn a and not-Jenna out top be serving, I say thank God they aren't. Consider just how much of a fuck-up you have to be to get your purse and cell phone stolen when you have Secret Service protection. You want someone you love in that ditzes unit?

Will disapproves of those "who are insufferably full of themselves"?
Must be tough looking in the mirror every morning.

The other good one in Will’s column was
“Never mind the patent disrespect for the presidency.”
I‘m thinking the presidency, the institution, wasn’t being disrespected .

Welcome back, Global.

Is it possible that a WaPo editor took the extra lines out of Will's submitted column, for brevity's sake? Not realizing, of course, that their omission would drastically cheapen Will's argument.

(Don't jump on me. I'm just anticipating Will's possible response.)

I‘m thinking the presidency, the institution, wasn’t being disrespected .

I'm afraid I disagree -- it -- and more importantly, this great nation -- are being disrespected every day Bush and Cheney remain in office.

Is it possible that a WaPo editor took the extra lines out of Will's submitted column, for brevity's sake?

No.

This has been another edition of Simple answers to Simple Questions.

John H.'s comment, though, serves as an apt reminder that there's more condemnation to go around. The WaPo editors let Will's flagrantly dishonest editing of the paper's own reporting stand.

Maybe Webb should have just replied, "Worse than your daughters in Argentina."

No, would be to imply that Webb's son was doing something unethical

But here we have George Will re-writing history. Will is just another closed-mind, partisan political hack.

Remember what they used to say about G.H.Bush.Cluless,Out of touch with Americans.Seems the nut does indeed not fall far from the tree that is a Bush.Jenna and Barb seem to have the same problem ,Cluless.

Well, you have to remember how respectful Will was of the Clinton presidency.

Christina, this is entirely unfair to Webb.

Bush's first question, asking about Webb's son, was fine, and might even be taken as a caring question. When Webb responded, honestly, that he would like his son to come home, again, there was no rudeness.

The unacceptable behavior was when Bush rejected Webb's answer ("I didn't ask that") and repeated the first ("How's your boy?"). Evidently the only acceptable reply, to both Bush and to George Will, is for Webb to say "Fine" or something. It's clear from Bush's behavior that he wasn't interested in any authentic answer.

It also appears that those who object to Webb's part of the conversation expect senators to treat presidents as royalty, obeying the same rules as one would if the Queen offered an unfortunate conversational opener. It doesn't work that way; the Senate is a co-equal branch of government, not subservient to the President.

Well they did want to dumb down america,They sure did a nice job of that.I can't imagine having to tell someone Yea I voted for George Bush.Kinda like having STUPID written on your forehead for your prom.

Thanks Gregory. I can't stay gone. This place is the only serious discussion place around, and I'm a political junkie.

Webb was Rude???

Geez, FauxLibber, you really must start a Telethon for more Swift Boaters to attack the Senator-elect Webb's medals from Nam.

Interesting, is it not, that in Germany many Jews who had won the Iron Cross in WWI, were sent to the chambers. So it is with honorable men who were awarded medals in Viet Nam, and now are being attacked by the Neo-Nazis of today.

This place is the only serious discussion place around

Given the interminable presence of the various iterations of Al, the various iterations of Charlie, and bullshit slingers like "ex-liberal" and their ilk, thats a sad statement.

and I'm a political junkie.

Or a Political Animal? ;)

Faux-Libber is correct.

He was rude when he refused to kneel and kiss the boy King's ring, er ass, er ring.

i almost put it that way, then decided to set up the shot rather than take it myself. Do I get credit for an assist?

Do I get credit for an assist?

Indeed, and your generosity is appreciated as always.

Now see? How could I stay away when I get such love from those who matter, to cancel out the vitriol only I seem to be able to inspire in Chuckles? Indeed, if I become onmipresent, it could hasten his demise through heightened blood pressure, so really, I owe it to humanity to keep showing up and ignoring him, thereby pissing him off to greater and greater lengths until finally he explodes.

Anyone point out the absurdity of George Will calling anyone "pompous"?

That is pretty much the textbook example of absurd, isn't it?

Damn! I just checked the front page! The posting always gets downright prolific about an hour before I have to go to school. Next semester I'm planning my schedule around Political Animal posting habits.

As a liberal, it's understandable that Webb is uncomfortable talking about his son's military service. His son is doing his duty to his country and Webb finds that disquieting.

Al, you're such a complete ass that nothing you say should surprise me, but no matter how low I set my expectations for you, you continue to fail to meet them. How does your military service record stack up to Webb's?

"First in his class of 243 at the Marine Corps Officer's Basic School in Quantico, Virginia, Jim served with the Fifth Marine Regiment in Vietnam, where as a rifle platoon and company commander in the infamous An Hoa Basin west of Danang he was awarded the Navy Cross, the Silver Star Medal, two Bronze Star Medals, and two Purple Hearts. He later served as a platoon commander and as an instructor in tactics and weapons at Marine Corps Officer Candidates School, and then as a member of the Secretary of the Navy's immediate staff, before leaving the Marine Corps in 1972.

All things considered though, your lack of military service has probably saved countless American lives over the years.

>>Well, you have to remember how respectful Will was of the Clinton presidency.
Posted by: Boots Day

Best laugh in a while. Thanks, I needed that.

I thought Webb showed great restraint in refraining from the punching the useless, lying sack of shit's lights out, me.

Cyntax, you're resorting to spreading lies like liberals always do.

Liberal politicians are always lying about their military service.

a: “What did you earn last year?”
b: “We’re doing alright.”
a: “That’s not what I asked you. What did you earn last year?”
b: “That's between me and my employer.”

a: “What did you pay for that dress?”
b: “Do you like it? It’s one of my favorites.”
a: “That’s not what I asked you. What did you pay for that dress?”
b: “I don't like to talk about money.”

a: “I saw you coming out of the clinic last week. What was the diagnosis?”
b: “They’re just running some routine tests.”
a: “That’s not what I asked you. What was the diagnosis?”
b: “That's between me and my doctor.”

a: “Why did you file for divorce last month?”
b: “We don’t want to dwell on the past. We just want to get on with our lives.”
a: “That’s not what I asked you. Why did you file for divorce?”
b: “That's between me and my husband.”

a: “Why haven’t you and your husband had a baby yet?”
b: Stunned silence. “I heard that we’re going to have snow tomorrow night.”
a: “That’s not what I asked you. Why haven’t you and your husband had a baby yet?”
b: “I don't think that's an appropriate question.”

a: “My boy saw your boy going into the school counselor’s office. What for?”
b: “Isn’t it great that the school offers confidential counseling to students?”
a: “That’s not what I asked you. Why was your boy seeing the school counselor?”
b: “That's a private family matter.”

a: “Is your middle child adopted? He looks different from the others.”
b: “This is Alice, Edward and Tom. Aren’t we lucky to have three, beautiful children?”
a: “That’s not what I asked you. Is Edward adopted?
b: “You shouldn't insist on asking personal questions.”

Which speaker is Goofus and which is Gallant?

Al, sweetie, was Mr. Webb lying about his military service just a few short years ago, when he was a Republican serving under President Reagan?

How about a few years before that, when he wasn't even arguably a politician?

If he wasn't lying then and is now, because (as you say) "Liberal politicians are always lying about their military service," perhaps you could point us to what in his record seems to have changed between then and now?

Al (or this parody Al?),

I have to say that I kind of feel sorry for you. Chances are that you're suffering from some pyschotic condition which, apparently, is not uncommon with people who support Bush:

The thesis draws on a survey of 69 psychiatric outpatients in three Connecticut locations during the 2004 presidential election. Lohse’s study, backed by SCSU Psychology professor Jaak Rakfeldt and statistician Misty Ginacola, found a correlation between the severity of a person’s psychosis and their preferences for president: The more psychotic the voter, the more likely they were to vote for Bush.

I don't know how Will would know whether Bush sincerely cares about Webb's child.

However, it's easy to surmise why Bush would want to appear to care.

One of Will's primary concerns is civility in the social sphere. Thus, his column about Webb was consistent with his belief.

My standards differ from Will's, however. Webb would have been unacceptably rude if he had said to Bush something unarguably offensive, such as "Shove it."

"Respect for the Presidency" is an abstract concept. There is no Presidency without the President. The two are inseparable until the next election, presuming no death, illness, resignation, etc. Respecting the Presidency is respecting something that doesn't exist without a President, like a Claus without a Santa.

Liberal politicians are always lying about their military service.

I should know better, but I'll try anyway.

Alright, Al, which part of Webb's military history is he lying about? Tell us the lie stated above and show us the proof. Give us a link to click, only don't make it to George Will.

Not that this is nearly as important as who was rude to whom, but I noticed that immediately after publishing his impassioned discourse on income inequality in the WSJ Senator Webb made a beeline for three Senate Committees -- Armed Services, Foreign Relations, and Veterans Affairs -- that have never dealt with that topic in the past and are unlikely to in the future.

I posted a response to Christina on my blog, www.blognostic.com.

I noticed that immediately after publishing his impassioned discourse on income inequality in the WSJ Senator Webb made a beeline for three Senate Committees -- Armed Services, Foreign Relations, and Veterans Affairs -- that have never dealt with that topic in the past and are unlikely to in the future.

Okay, Zathras. So what?

Here's what Will wrote (OK, lied) about Senator-elect Webb:

Webb certainly has conveyed what he is: a boor. Never mind the patent disrespect for the presidency. Webb's more gross offense was calculated rudeness toward another human being -- one who, disregarding many hard things Webb had said about him during the campaign, asked a civil and caring question, as one parent to another. When -- if ever -- Webb grows weary of admiring his new grandeur as a "leader" who carefully calibrates the "symbolic things" he does to convey messages, he might consider this: In a republic, people decline to be led by leaders who are insufferably full of themselves.

Now, can anyone find a George Will colum in which Will wrote the following after Dick Cheney told Senator Patrick Leahy to "go fuck yourself"?

Cheney certainly has conveyed what he is: a boor. Never mind the patent disrespect for the Senate. Cheney's more gross offense was calculated rudeness toward another human being. When -- if ever -- Cheney grows weary of admiring his new grandeur as a "leader" who carefully calibrates the "symbolic things" he does to convey messages, he might consider this: In a republic, people decline to be led by leaders who are insufferably full of themselves.

No? So it's only Democrats who are the boors, then. Carry on....

I have bad news for CEO Bush: Webb is one of 100 members of the BOARD OF DIRECTORS who are fully capable of throwing Bush out on his ass whenever they feel like it. If President 31% wants to be a tough guy, he can feel free to do so from the House of Disgraced Former Presidents.

The new House would impeach Bush for farting crooked. The only thing keeping him from the unemployment line and permanent historical disgrace is Webb and a bunch of other guys.

"How about I subpoena everyone who has ever worked for you and book C-SPAN for the next 8 months" is a good conversational opener for Webb. "I got six years until re-election, which is four years after you go back to Crawford" is another one.

Looks like the WaPo comments are nearing a thousand, almost all of them castigating Will for having become utterly clueless (and selectively quoting).

I like it Alderaan. But I still think Webb should have just said "fuck you, you worthless lying sack of yellow shit". Bush is not so stupid that he could not have inferred your recommended openers as a subtext. In fact, I bet he's thinking along those lines a lot these days.

The other benefit of the crude, direct approach that I advocate is that George Will and his ilk would thenceforth wet their pants in fear every time Webb entered a room with them. The prissy little liars need to be trained to respect the truth. Making things a little bit unpleasant is probably the only way to train them.

The clinical term is aversion therapy and an example is Antabuse, a drug that causes one to become violently ill when alcohol is consumed in conjunction,creating an aversion to alcohol.

If these guys had to sit in damp sticky unpleasantness for a bit they might learn some respect for people who have actually stepped up.

One more thing about Mr. Webb. He took a Marine Commission from the Naval Academy, thereby greatly increasing his chances of seeing combat in Vietnam.

My belief is GWB knows he's small stuff compared to someone like Webb. Plus Dubya is kinda a prick anyway.

Yes, aversion therapy. I think that a little aversion is exactly what's called for with this particular pedantic liar and coxcomb.

I tend to refer to George Will as the pedantic fly in the editorial ointment.

The first comment on the TPM post is the funniest thing I've read this week. I must share it with both of you who are still reading this thread:

On November 30, 2006 - 9:31am jpspencer said:
Honestly, does anyone even read Milhous Van Houten's column anymore?

To look at George Will, the proper punishment for him wouldn't be a correction in the WaPo. The correct punishment for him would be a wedgie.

George pencil neck Will is a son of a bitch conservative media soldier. He deserves to be punched in the mouth for his dishonest columns.
He has hurt America with his journalism. He's Rush Limbaugh without the blind rage and drug addiction. He is as dangerous as Rush because he is so insideous and effective at seducing the uniformed voter.
He's a shiny clean package with an ideologues evil mind and a heart of stone, black bile and worms.

George Will rushes to declare that Senator-elect Webb has a "patent disrespect for the presidency." Does Will draw this conclusion from this one incident? Why wouldn't Will have exerted a bit of intellectual honesty and reviewed the regard Webb showed for the presidency when he was the Secretary of the Navy? I am sure Webb has historically shown nothing but respect for his commander-in-chief and the presidency in all his service, but for this moment, with this particular buffon in the White House. So, Senator Webb can distinguish between an insufferable arse, like George W. Bush, and the office of the presidency...why can't George Will?

al reminds me of ben dover on another web site, but I think it is al who wants to ben dover, as he is trying to provoke a mr. ben dover.

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It would be rude of me to respond, "Fuck you, liberal death-monger!"

In effect, that's what Webb did.

No - as Stefan pointed out earlier, that is in effect what Cheney does to people.

When he's not shooting them in the face, of course.

The line about Webb is meant to be in italics, of course - sorry.

I wish he had said:

[Silence] Mr President, he is like every boy there: he finds there not enough blond american girls around.

Al (or someone purporting to be Al) wrote:

"Liberal politicians are always lying about their military service."
__________________

There are two things wildly wrong with this statement. First, not all liberal politicians lie about their military service. Second, Senator-elect Webb not only has a sterling military record, he is not a liberal.

I suspect that a provocateur is having fun at Al's expense. On the other hand, perhaps there is no Al, but only people wanting there to be an Al. ::grin::

Semper Fidelis!
Ex-marine Senator goes "mano y mano" with arrogant, intrusive president, and wins.

JerseyMissouri,

I was Army artillery, but I do not believe there is such a thing as ex in front of Marine. Once a Marine, always a Marine - Semper Fi and Gung Ho. The good Senator-elect has taken a different path than Bing West, but there is a toughness that always remains with a Marine.

Oh, but I forgot, Bush does Nordic Track - He couldn't have whupped Senator Webb, but he might have outrun him. Hmmm, wonder if there are any rabbit holes in the Rose Garden?

Bush: "How's your son?"
Webb: "He's kickin' ass like the other 139,999 courageous Americans brave enough not to go AWOL or leave the Green Zone. Ya' know what I mean? Oh, maybe you don't..."

Or,

Bush: "How's your son?"
Webb: "He's doing better now that you finally dumped that idiot Donald Rumsfeld."

Or,

Bush: "How's your son?"
Webb: "He's stressing about whether or not he will return in a body bag, or without a limb or two. And your daughters, are they enjoying themselves partying in Buenos Aires?"

Or,

Bush: "How's your son?"
Webb: "I think he's horny. All he ever talks about is backdooring your daughter..."

Bram: you are being utterly ridiculous. However, I will attempt to explain this to you. Say you had broken your arm, and you thought your company's insurance policy would cover it. But the company's lawyers think different, and they deny coverage. Then, at the company dinner, the boss comes up to you and asks, "Hey, how's that arm of yours doing?"

Do you say, gee, what a nice guy? Well, yes, if you're an idiot. If you're not an idiot, then you know perfectly well what he's trying to do. He's trying to defuse tension over the issue, because he doesn't want you to pursue it; he's the boss on this issue, and if he can get you to stop bitching about it, he can direct the policy in his own interests, which is not to pay for your broken arm. So it's not "nice" of him to ask about your broken arm. It's an aggressive act, to see if he can get you to drop your complaint and turn it into a just-we-friends thing. If you're smart the proper answer is, "Well, it cost a heck of a lot to fix it, and I think you ought to do what the policy says and pay for it instead of lawyering up." That was Webb's answer to Bush's bogus, meaningless "gesture of concern", and it was the right one.

If Bush had any grace, he'd have responded, "Well, I wish I could, but we need him over there until the job is done." Instead he responded like an asshole.

Bush wasn't trying to be nice. It was a threat.

The subtext was, "Behave or your son's unit will pay."

Bram: you are being utterly ridiculous.

That's Charlie's thing, brooksfoe.

brooksfoe -

That is certainly one way of looking at it. However, if you were there in person and could tell Bush / company boss was genuinely concerned about your son / arm, wouldn't it be rude? I am also interested in hearing if any of you think Jim Webb punching the President in the face would have been rude? We can at least agree on that, right?

Bush got better than he deserved.

Tom Perry:

Do you think Jim Webb punching the President in the face would have been rude?

if you were there in person and could tell Bush / company boss was genuinely concerned about your son / arm

Do you think Jim Webb punching the President in the face would have been rude?

Since "Spock" is now reduced to arguing hypotheticals, as opposed to, you know, what actually transpired, shall we take that as a concession of defeat?

Not at all, Gregory. I was simply asking broksfoe and Tom Perry questions prior to presenting my argument.

I was simply asking broksfoe and Tom Perry questions prior to presenting my argument.

"Spock," I am sure I speak for all of us when I say that you're obviously too self-impressed to admit defeat in so many words, in addition to the obvious point that anyone who spews the kind of fallacies you do also lacks the intellectual honesty to do so.

I was simply pointing out that since you're reduced to asking hypotheical questions -- that is, arguing about what isn't you're tacitly admitting you haven't a cogent argument about what is.

As I've remarked elsewhere, your choice of handle is offensive due in no small part due to the profound disconnect between your estimation of your own intelligence and rhetorical skill, and what they actually are.

Bram writes: "At least those answers would have all been responsive to the question asked. I know you guys all hate Bush with a passion, but it was rude of Webb not to answer the question."

Just curious Bram, have you ever seen Roberto Gonzales give a straight answer to questions from Senator Feingold? Do you ever see President Bush give a straight answer to the press corps when they ask, "have you made or your administration made any mistakes?" Are you familiar with Dick Cheney's response to law enforcement about alcohol after he shot a friend in the face?

If your true concern is civility, what do you think about Cheney telling a U.S. Senator, "Go F*** yourself?"

Speaking of Representative Duncan Hunter, did he dare utter a rude comment about President Clinton?

Not that this is nearly as important as who was rude to whom, but I noticed that immediately after publishing his impassioned discourse on income inequality in the WSJ Senator Webb made a beeline for three Senate Committees -- Armed Services, Foreign Relations, and Veterans Affairs -- that have never dealt with that topic in the past and are unlikely to in the future.

Not strictly true. Senator-Elect Webb has also been appointed to the Joint Economic Committee.

Gregory -

I have not been posting here long enough for you to conclude I am "obviously" too self-impressed to admit defeat in so many words or that I lack the intellectual honesty to do so. It usually takes someone a lot longer to realize that. For instance, in assigning some blame to Iraqis on that other thread, I have assigned the vast majority of the blame to Bush. It's just that I think criticizing Bush on this minor point is a bit of a reach.

(Subject to revision if brooksfoe or Tom Perry respond) Here's my argument: Depending on intent and tone of voice (obviously, if Bush emphasized the word "boy" with the same nasal quality and pitch as, say, Flavor Flav, things would be different), it is possible that the President was genuinely concerned about Webb's son. I have yet to see such first hand reports but would be very interested in hearing from the participants or someone who was there. Barring something like that, neither one of us is certain about Bush's intent; therefore, I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt on this one.

Shorter argument: If it doesn't fit, you must acquit.

Back to hypotheticals (with the intent of seeing where, if at all, you would draw the line): Do you think Jim Webb being so angered by the President's question and punching him in the face would have been rude? If not, would it be a crime?

I have not been posting here long enough for you to conclude I am "obviously" too self-impressed to admit defeat in so many words or that I lack the intellectual honesty to do so.

Since such a conclusion is inevitable from any fair reading of the threads in which you post, your statement is highly illogical. Obviously, you have been posting long enough to draw said conclusion.

It usually takes someone a lot longer to realize that.

Than either your intellectual dishonesty is unusually prominent in your postings, or the crowd here is smarter than the ones you're used to dealing with.

Or both.

I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt

As I was saying...you concoct a hypothetical in which Bush might not be to blame, and then give him the benefit of the doubt you yourself created. (Notwithstanding that giving Bush the benefit of the doubt at all at this point marks you as the kind of Bush Cultist you deny being, or a complete idiot, which premise I must admit your postings do tend to support.)

And then again you concoct some hypothetical situation to create a rhetorical test for your opponents, when you have thoroughly failed in your defense of Bush. That dog just won't hunt.

It really doesn't interest me, "Spock," whether you're more stupid or dishonest. You provide abundant examples of both, which makes you, worst of all, boring.

You're so right, Gregory. It is NOT at all possible that the President was genuinely concerned about Webb's son. As you say, there is no doubt that Bush is evil incarnate. Thank you, oh great one, for showing me the err of my ways -- I bow before you in humble submission.

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Congratulations Kevin, now the total of lob vs conservative Dowdifications is 10 billion to one.

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