Ah, Kevin.

Talk about a non-story.

The Democrat Congress is about to do a full court press against this administration, trying to destroy it by pinning any kind of dirt they can find to it in retaliation for Monica-Gate. You see how Clinton's self-destructive habits still have their damaging effects.

In response to this folly, Bush would be remiss not to hire a few lawyers to protect himself.

I tremble for the future of this country when we have one party so bent on treating politics like a political football.

Is there a Koufax award for dumbest comment of the year?

Because I think egbert might have jut won it. For oh so many reasons.

Can't think, can't read - this post wasn't by Kevin. But, as ever, don't let the facts hit you in the ass on the way out!

This isn't about witch-hunts, of course, it's about oversight --

Oversight is nice, but to quote Jello Biafra; "Who babysits the babysitters?"

Besides, they're going to call it a witch-hunt anyway, remember? It's all about the "criminalization of politics".

They've witch-hunted us since the days of McCarthy (and before). Let them taste their own medicine for once.

But I'll list them.

#1. It's Steve. Not Kevin

#2. If we were looking for revenge, it would be over the Iraqi war, not Monica-gate.

#3. Steve says that they're doing the right thing. (Which I agree with. They're going to need the lawers). It's hardly criticism.

#4. Treating politics like a political football? Errr. Isn't that what it is?

BTW. I don't support impeachment. I support getting shit done and showing the American public (and the world) that it can be done.

I think it's pathological how often the right blames EVERYTHING on Clinton. They are actually trying to divert eyes from their wrong-doings with this ploy. It won't work on anyone not certificable.
It's the JOB of Congress to do this kind of oversight. If nothing else the Republican Congress should be held accountable for not doing it.

trying to destroy it by pinning any kind of dirt they can find to it in retaliation for Monica-Gate. You see how Clinton's self-destructive habits still have their damaging effects.

Shorter egbert;
"The Clenis made Bush invade Iraq, and lie about it."

"Nothing to hide?" Wohaaah, that's a good one. At least the Bushies have a sense of humor.

Thanks, Steve. You made my day.

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Karmakin wrote: "BTW. I don't support impeachment."

I strongly support impeachment. Bush and Cheney have committed crimes. They should be brought to justice: impeached, removed from office, indicted, prosecuted, convicted and imprisoned.

Supporting impeachment is not a "partisan" position. I would equally be in favor of the impeachment of any Democratic president who did what Bush has done.

Preemptively taking impeachment "off the table" out of fear that it would cause political problems for the Democrats (which I believe is a basesless fear anyway), as Rep. Nancy Pelosi has done, is a partisan position -- it is putting partisan political advantage above the rule of law, and above her oath of office to defend the Constitution.

Kevin. Steve Beneen. Same difference. Steve isn't going to say anything unless Kevin ok's it. D[r]um is the one calling the shots around here.

The Democrats will be conducting investigations to protect the taxpayers from waste, fraud, and abuse.

The real question is, why did the Republicans fail to protect the taxpayers when they were in charge?

Kevin. Steve Beneen. Same difference. Steve isn't going to say anything unless Kevin ok's it. D[r]um is the one calling the shots around here.

I hesitate to respond to something so silly, but in case there was any doubt, readers should know that Kevin isn't approving my posts (or my ideas for posts) in advance. He's on vacation.

And it's Benen, not Beneen.

Steve,

"egbert" is one of our proven geniuses. He regularly sets all of us straight on matters both domestic and international.

If "egbert" says it, you can bet the Washington elites will soon be quoting him on the Sunday talk shows and one-upping each other with his bits of wisdom at their cocktail parties.

Man egbert, I thought I was a shit-for-brains, but you got me beat hands down! I send out my people to spout idiocy on a daily basis, but compared to you, my talking points seem utterly brilliant! You're doing a heckuva job, eggy!

The blatant disregard of the Constitution and the assigning of Billion dollar contracts to ones own companys and the knowing creation of phony wars with phony for profit and the sending of ones citizens to torture in foreign countries are all worthy of impeachment and prosecution....go Dems go.

sorry.....meant to say with phony manufactured evidence

Ah egbert, just like the hand up your ass, you have no brain.

Things might get real interesting in Iraq early in 2007. There are rumors of large-scale mutiny by American troops (Are you listening, Global Citizen?). There are also rumors that Anbar province will be overrun by insurgents and/or a significant number of American troops may surrender, after being under seige for weeks at a time. This could be the first time since WWII that a large number of Marines have surrendered. This "surge" that Bush is contemplating may be simply a smokescreen to provide reinforcements to avoid a humiliating defeat.

Go to: www.globalresearch.ca for more details.

(I am posting from a Treo, or I would provide a clickable link).

I'm here, TCD. If my predictions keep coming true, I'm going to change my handle to "Queen of the Seers."

Global: If my predictions keep coming true, I'm going to change my handle to "Queen of the Seers."

Now that's good. My wife actually goes by Queen of Beer (she used to own a homebrew supply store)...

Is the Bush team hiring lawyers that they want to use or are they putting lawyers on retainers so that they can't be used against them.

I've heard of this practice several times. If your team fears a certain competent lawyer might be used by your opposition, the put him/her on a retainer. That prevents the lawyer from working for the opposition.

What a waste! Millions of government money will be spent on Democratic and Republican lawyers. I'd rather see my tax money spent on better protection for our troops or welfare for the poor.

I'd rather see my tax money spent on better protection for our troops or welfare for the poor.
Posted by: ex-liberal on December 26, 2006 at 4:28 PM | PERMALINK

I'd rather see my tax money spent on hemp ropes used to hang Treasonous War Profiteering Traitors.

ex-liberal wrote: "What a waste! Millions of government money will be spent on Democratic and Republican lawyers."

And that's why you forever renounced the Republican Party after the Republicans spent over $70 MILLION TAXPAYER DOLLARS investigating the non-existent "Whitewater scandal" and persecuting Bill Clinton over his personal, private sexual conduct, and that's why you are now a vehement ex-conservative, right?

Wrong. That's why you are a fake, a phony, a hypocrite, and a bad joke.

What a waste! Millions of government money will be spent on Democratic and Republican lawyers. I'd rather see my tax money spent on better protection for our troops or welfare for the poor.

Funny how you were against those things prior to the 2006 midterms...

Anyway, what's a Democrat congress? There should be minimum standards applied for the usage of English here.

A lawyer named Oprison? I'd think about that.

Make that over 100 million spent on investigating Clinton, Secular Animist. If I were at home, I would give you a clickable link. And don't forget the investigation of Henry Cisneros, which was the longest investigation in American history (and one of the most expensive), all over whether Cisneros paid his mistress some money to shut her yap. Like anyone in the whole world was harmed by his actions, other than his wife. Good God.

And Bush lies us into a war that should never have happened that cost half a trillion dollars and has killed 3,000 Americans and 650,000 Iraqis - with no end in sight and these asshole conservatives on this thread feign outrage??? Give me a friggin' break.

Yikes I actually thought egbert was spoofing this whole blog when he kept referring to Steve Benen as Kevin.But holy shit this guy's for real.Be afraid. Be very afraid.

Defendant "What happens now?".........Lawyer "Well,I'm going to lunch and you're going to O...Prison."

egbert: I tremble for the future of this country when we have one party so bent on treating politics like a political football.

A treasure. An absolute pearl. A work of art among dodo-headed dimwitticisms. It should be inscribed in some permanent medium, made into a spiritual sig-line that egbert could wear for ever, a proud badge of utterly incurable befuddlement.

Others strive for insight, eloquence, erudition; egbert has made inanity his Everest and bestrides its pinnacle like a giant.

There are idiots, there are wingnut idiots, and then there is egbert. What other doorknob among that box of same that is Conservatism would be able to post such a thing without cringing for months and cursing the cruel fate that leaves conservatives constitutionally unable to hit "preview"? Yet egbert posts on, an example to lesser mortals who have not studied as well as he the inner lessons of Dear Leader's wisdom: that only in arrogance and utter lack of critical self-awareness can the true star of dunderheadedness shine forth to the world.

"Treating politics like a political football." Beautiful. Just beautiful. We stand in awe.

Treating politics like a political football

And this perfect gem illustrates perfectly why it was pointed out to a piker wingnut yesterday that quality nuttery is not so easy as it seems.

Sure they were getting prepared. That is why the vice president had the shredding truck in front of his place. I bet they have been BUSY with the shredding. Look how they acted during the 911 commission investigation when they had to appear, did not Bush arrogantly say "Oh, we don't testify..." And they got away with not testifying under oath...wonder why...It is way past time for congressional oversight. Finally. Thank God. Issues are endless, and we have the ongoing documentation by Waxman and Conyers. This is a serious fall from grace for the administration. It is a sharp reversal of fortune. I hear people formerly from his base calling for oversight, even for impeachment. People are pissed. We live in interesting times.

ex-lib: What a waste! Millions of government money will be spent on Democratic and Republican lawyers. I'd rather see my tax money spent on better protection for our troops or welfare for the poor.

too late...

Cost of Ken Starr's Monicagate investigation: $71.5 million

Did anyone catch Tyler Drumheller, former CIA European Division Chief on cspan's Washington Journal this morning? I recommend it. He has a new book "On the Brink," and he was pretty upfront about how the administration falsified the intelligence leading up to the war. If you go to washingtonjournal.com (or org.), you can watch a video.

"In 2001, Murtha announced the creation of Scialabba's nonprofit agency for the disabled in Johnstown, Pa. The next year, with Scialabba still on his staff, Murtha secured a half-million dollars for the group, the Pennsylvania Association for Individuals With Disabilities (PAID),..........But the group serves another function as well. PAID has become a gathering point for defense contractors and lobbyists with business before Murtha's defense appropriations subcommittee,........That arrangement over the years has yielded millions of dollars in federal support for the contractors, businesses and universities, and hundreds of thousands in consulting and lobbying fees to Murtha's favored lobbying shops, according to Federal Election Commission records.......Under Murtha's watch, for instance, Windber Medical Center has been transformed from a struggling hospital outside of Johnstown into a burgeoning cancer research center, thriving on Defense Department funding. Hospital officials have paid the PMA Group some $380,000 in lobbying fees since signing on in 2001."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/24/AR2006122400919.html

Reminds me of ABSCAM, all over again. After we invstigate Bush, let's investigate Murtha, again.

Also, DON'T investigate Bush, IMPEACH him. That's been the screech from the left for 4 years now, so you obviously don't need to investigate any further (unless all of your cries of impeachable offenses were lies that last four years).

Walk the talk. Begin impeachment proceedings at once or your credibility suffers.

Hi Jay. I'm afraid your man egbert set the bar a little high with that "playing political footbal with politics" comment. I'm sorry to say your stuff just isn't up to the current standard. I know you probably thought that the impeachment thing was pretty good--nice blend of pretzel logic and some kind of weird strawman thing going there. Probably would have done ok under normal circumstances. But lame as it is, it's just not going to even get you into the running this thread. You're up against a very high standard of wingnut nincompoopism here and I'm afraid you're just going to have to try harder or get out of the game.

Oh, and regarding Murtha? Investigate away. Fine with me. Pretty long line of ahead of him, what with Abramoff still spouting off plus all those Krazy Krony Kontracts in Iraq and Louisiana 'n' stuff. Not to mention torture, war crimes, blatant constitutional violations and whatnot. Nary a blowjob in sight, but then GOP guys never get those--it's why they're such tight asses. But hey, if Murtha is in line for some investigative fun, bring it on. It's called accountability. Your party doesn't believe in it.

It will be interesting to see if this administration hires good enough lawyers to allow Cheney to defy subpoenas.

Rip Bubble Boy and Company to shreds! This Unitary Executive POS needs a thorough investigation. I for one dont care how much $$$ it takes... The price is worth it.

"Not to mention torture, war crimes, blatant constitutional violations and whatnot..." DrBB

That's what I am talking about. The left has already convicted Bush, the only thing left is impeachment. If you had any self respect, or credibility at all, you'd begin impeachment proceedings, not investigations.

Oh and the accountability thing: I have yet to hear an apology to Cheney re: the accusation (and unfounded conviction) on compromising National Security over Americas most covert spy and her Greatful Dead-wannabe of a husband. Adults who consider themselves accountable for their actions usually apologize when they're found to be so egregiously in error. And wasn't in refreshing last Novemeber following the elections when nobody complained about voter suppression, Diebold machines or other polling hijinks. I guess none of these things happen when the left wins, only when they lose, right?

I mean is that about right?

Anyone?

Anyone at all care to answer that?

An apology to Cheney? You must be mad!!!! To the White House Cabal? You are ignoring the inevitable. This is a vice president who speaks only to Rush Limbaugh and pre-selected audiences.
I get a kick out of you, Jay. You guys need damage control, and it is way too late.
It is a different day for you defenders of the administration.
This administration made up a bunch of evidence about WMD and sold it like dish soap. Sorry, it won't wash.

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