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January 26, 2007
By: Kevin Drum

PHASE II....November's election victory seems to have given a newfound spine to Senate Intelligence Committee chair Jay Rockefeller:

Vice President Dick Cheney exerted "constant" pressure on the Republican former chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee to stall an investigation into the Bush administration's use of flawed intelligence on Iraq, the panel's Democratic chairman charged Thursday.

...."It was just constant," Rockefeller said of Cheney's alleged interference. He added that he knew that the vice president attended regular policy meetings in which he conveyed White House directions to Republican staffers.

And how's that Phase II investigation going now that Democrats are in charge of the committee? "The administration needs to be held accountable," Rockefeller says. Stay tuned.

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I say let's put Maxine Waters in charge of all investigations.

Posted by: R.L. on January 26, 2007 at 1:28 AM | PERMALINK

Parts of Phase II have been completed already, right?

Posted by: KC on January 26, 2007 at 1:37 AM | PERMALINK

It may be that some of these quasi-moderates actually realize that the future of the Republican$ is at stake here, and that they need to go back to at east pretending to care about the real America, not just their corporate backers. Just sayin'.

Posted by: Kenji on January 26, 2007 at 1:38 AM | PERMALINK

Yeah, we remember Rockefeller's concern for American security over politics.

Posted by: bart on January 26, 2007 at 1:48 AM | PERMALINK

Kevin - you had a fun post a few weeks about about your father, who was a very good college debater. If I recall, he beat Arlen Specter once.

Did you see PowerLineBlog Thursday?

They ran a 1969 photo of 2 of the 3 PowerLine bloggers after they won a debate tournament at Dartmouth.

Posted by: Frequency Kenneth on January 26, 2007 at 1:58 AM | PERMALINK

It's great quotes are finally going the democrat's way - Rockefeller calling out Cheney, Hagel calling out Cheney, Fitzgerald calling out Cheney...

But really, words don't amount to political will. And until there's a manifest will, there won't be a way towards desperately needed infrastructural changes.

Quotes favorable to democrats hardly signals an end to government institutions run as money-laundering schemes, it just means our tax dollars have to be stretched further, as there's two parties at the table instead of one.

Until there is a resolute manifest will for it, there won't be peace or prosperity.

Posted by: A different matt on January 26, 2007 at 2:00 AM | PERMALINK

"It was just constant," Rockefeller said of Cheney's alleged interference.

CLICK THE LINK. ALWAYS CLICK THE LINK. Vice-President Dick Cheney DENIES Rockefeller's accusations and said delays were entirely the Democrats fault.


Link


""Senator Rockefeller's allegations are patently untrue," she said in an e-mail statement. "The delays came from the Democrats' insistence that they expand the scope of the inquiry to make it a more political document going into the 2006 elections. Chairman Roberts did everything he could to accommodate their requests for further information without allowing them to distort the facts."


"I'm not aware of any effort by the vice president, his staff or anyone in the administration to influence the speed at which the committee did its work," said Bill Duhnke, who was Roberts' staff director."

Al

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Posted by: Real Al on January 26, 2007 at 2:05 AM | PERMALINK

And if Cheney denies it, that just verifies the truth of what Rockefeller says.

Posted by: Blue Girl, Red State (aka Global Citizen) on January 26, 2007 at 2:22 AM | PERMALINK

I say let's put Maxine Waters in charge of all investigations.

POTD on the first one!

Posted by: craigie on January 26, 2007 at 2:52 AM | PERMALINK

OK OK

I'm just kidding

seriously, no one with three brain cells thnks Cheney is sane

Posted by: Al on January 26, 2007 at 2:54 AM | PERMALINK

Regarding Phase I of the SSCI report, Larry Johnson posted up new documents that were introduced in the Libby trial that vindicate Joe Wilson and it's clear to me why Cheney and Libby were so intent on trying to shut up Joe Wilson, and of course, pre-war intel.

ThinkProgress has documented all the foot-dragging by Pat Roberts (R-KS) on Phase II...scroll down to "Iraq Intelligence." What a tool.

Posted by: Apollo 13 on January 26, 2007 at 2:58 AM | PERMALINK

But with Lieberman holding the balance of power in the Senate one wonders how far the Democrats can push war-related investigations before he jumps ship -- and puts Roberts back in control of that committee. Is Lieberman's loyalty to the Democratic Party greater than his loyalty to the War Party?

Posted by: JS on January 26, 2007 at 3:02 AM | PERMALINK

I hope Rockefeelr undertakes Phase II quickly. It is long overdue. At this point, of course, I suspect the result will be official documentation of what has been obvious. But there could be surprises, too.

Posted by: PTate in FR on January 26, 2007 at 3:04 AM | PERMALINK

Yeah, we remember Rockefeller's concern for American security over politics

Bart, Bart...little Bart. Ya need to be sure...really sure this is a path you wish to take a walk down? Its dark, ugly and has really bad odiferous GOP stench to it.

There's a big 'ol world of hurt awaiting down that path. I'd be happy to hold your hand on that stroll.

Vice-President Dick Cheney DENIES Rockefeller's accusations

Yeah, Uncle Dickie would never lie to us now would he? How much evidence is required, Al, before you will acknowledge how Cheney & Thugs, LLC. strong-armed the entire process?

Posted by: Simp on January 26, 2007 at 3:10 AM | PERMALINK

JS: "Is Lieberman's loyalty to the Democratic Party greater than his loyalty to the War Party?"

An interesting political angle, something to consider...I'm guessing that Lieberman will stay with the Democrats. His political interest lies in retaining power, and he has more influence as a conservative, balancing voice within the Democrats than being stampeded by Republican conservatives.

We have loathed Lieberman for being such a WH patsy. So, it seems to me, he (along with the rest of America) can only gain from the Phase II investigation, done with integrity.

Posted by: PTate in FR on January 26, 2007 at 3:13 AM | PERMALINK

Five years ago, you couldn't find a Kansan who would say a bad word about Roberts. Now, he's lumped in with BudhCrimCo and you can't find a defender.

I'm off to bed, but I opened my Air Force Times email news roundup and found a blurb of good news to leave you all with:


Gates calls for end to stop loss

As the Pentagon scrambles to identify enough troops to support its missions in Iraq and elsewhere, the Pentagon’s new boss is cracking down on the use of “stop loss” as a way to prevent service members from getting out of uniform on schedule.

I have bitterly opposed the stop-loss policies, and will go to sleep with a smile on my face tonight.

I'll post about it tomorrow...

Goodnight all.

Posted by: Blue Girl, Red State (aka Global Citizen) on January 26, 2007 at 3:15 AM | PERMALINK

PTate,
Did you move to France?

Posted by: Apollo 13 on January 26, 2007 at 3:15 AM | PERMALINK

That's great news, Globe. Good night.

Posted by: Apollo 13 on January 26, 2007 at 3:19 AM | PERMALINK

Interference by the vice president into a Congressional investigation is obstruction of justice, no matter how you slice the cheese and the Democrats damn well better use their Constitutional perogative to bring Articles of Impeachment against Cheney. I am deadly serious here, folks.

Bush and Cheney can and will do grave harm to both the Constitution and our international relations, if they are not called to account under the only real means available to the Democrats in Congress. Cheney, in particular, is eager to rain death down on Iran and Syria and will absolutely launch a conventional, if not a nuclear attack on both, if not reined in. If that happens, there will be war in the Middle East for the next 100 years. We need to stop these bastards now and impeach them from office!

I don't know why Democrats are so goddamn afraid of these two. Now is the time to impeach them both!

Posted by: The Conservative Deflator on January 26, 2007 at 6:02 AM | PERMALINK

"The administration needs to be held accountable," Rockefeller says

The Administration IS accountable - to the American people. And the people, in their wisdom re-elected them for a second term in 2004. The people know a good thing when they see it.

Posted by: Al on January 26, 2007 at 7:31 AM | PERMALINK

The people re-elected Nixon, too, and we all know how that turned out. "I am not a crook!" Bah!

Posted by: Apollo 13 on January 26, 2007 at 8:05 AM | PERMALINK

OK, everybody from Jay Rockefeller to Wolf Blitzer is dogging Cheney. It couldn't happen to a more deserving Sith lord.

A little question, where does all this new found back bone take us?

Posted by: Ron Byers on January 26, 2007 at 8:39 AM | PERMALINK

Story filed today: Edging Impeachment Back Onto the Table. Excerpts:

The news from former vice presidential chief of staff "Scooter" Libby's trial on charges of obstructing a federal investigation -- particularly the revelation that Vice President Dick Cheney wrote a memo that effectively confirms his intimate involvement in strategizing about how to counter the inquiry into the Bush administration's politically-motivated outing of CIA operative Valarie Plame -- should slowly but surely edge the prospect of impeachment back onto the table from which Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi removed it.
Cheney is expected to testify in the Libby trial and, if a federal jury rejects his testimony as less than credible, that would seem to create an appropriate opening for members of the House who take seriously their oaths to protect and defend the Constitution to entertain a discussion of impeaching the vice president....
...The New Mexico impeachment initiative, one of several currently moving forward in state legislatures around the country, is designed to force members of Congress to take seriously the increasingly-popular demand that the president and vice president be held to account for misleading Congress over the Iraq war, supporting torture, engaging in illegal spying on U.S. citizens and using their offices to punish critics. "I am an American citizen that believes that the Constitution is a sacred document and that the Bush administration clearly does not share this sentiment," explains Grubesic, while Ortiz y Pino says, "We're simply doing what all elected officials should be doing. That is, listening to the voice of the people and trying to carry it out as best we can."
The New Mexico legislators have taken their cue from Thomas Jefferson, who in a manual of congressional procedures written more than two centuries ago affirmed that state legislatures could petition the House to impeach federal officials. The third president explained in Section 603 of his Manual on Parliamentary Practice and Rules of the House of Representatives, a volume that is still referred to by House leaders for precedents and guidance, that: "there are various methods of setting an impeachment in motion": 1) By charges made on the floor by a member of the House; 2) By charges preferred by a memorial filed by a House member; 3) By charges contained in a Resolution introduced by a House member; 4) By a message from the President; 5) By charges transmitted by a State legislature, or a grand jury; 5) By facts developed and reported by an investigating committee of the House." More...

Posted by: Apollo 13 on January 26, 2007 at 8:58 AM | PERMALINK

Excuse me, the story at 8:58 AM was filed yesterday...

Posted by: Apollo 13 on January 26, 2007 at 9:00 AM | PERMALINK

Dead Eye Dick really does need a lot of legal help. The Congressional inquires as well as how to dodge testifying in the Libby trial. And what ever happened to the SEC inquiry about that Halliburton accounting change that they forgot to tell shareholders about? Maybe he should just resign and move to Switzerland.

Posted by: pgl on January 26, 2007 at 9:09 AM | PERMALINK

Just because someone is "not aware", does not invalidate truth.

Gonzales likes this bit of wording too, makes me wonder how deep up his own tuckus he keeps his awareness.

"I'm not aware" is just the same as "plausible deniability" or "I didn't ask because I might have learned something about my own party that I might not have liked", or "don't ask, can't tell", or "I know but Cheney told me not to talk about that", or "criminal activity is only criminal if admitted to". Etcetera Etcetera Etcetera.

Posted by: Zit on January 26, 2007 at 9:36 AM | PERMALINK

Apollo 13: "Did you move to France?"

I remember discussing moving out of the US after the 2004 election! Eh, voila! Yes, in one of those weird twists of fate, I have left job, kith and kin, and accompanied my husband to France. His work will keep him here until just before the 2008 elections. I've been here for only two weeks, so I'm still trying to find my way to the boulangerie.

It is warmer than Minnesota, and the wine is better.

Posted by: PTate in FR on January 26, 2007 at 9:44 AM | PERMALINK

I don't know why Democrats are so goddamn afraid of these two. Now is the time to impeach them both! Posted by: The Conservative Deflator on January 26, 2007 at 6:02 AM

Agree 100%!!!!!!!!
Agree 200%!!!!!!!!
Leave these two the legecy they have earned!!!!!
Bill was impeached but Cheney runs free.

I keep waiting for the Dems to act, but they la-de-da over non-binding resolutions and "lets all work together" flower-child talk. Even the heretofore silent media has picked up on the power puff Dems.

That isn't what America voted for in November!

OKay, taking my medication..... :(

Posted by: Zit on January 26, 2007 at 9:49 AM | PERMALINK

'The Administration IS accountable - to the American people. And the people, in their wisdom re-elected them for a second term in 2004. The people know a good thing when they see it.
--Al

Actually, the American people are routinely duped by false advertising. They buy defective products or products that don't work, due to the power of deceptive advertising. The same is true in modern politics. Karl Rove is the master of deceptive advertising and selling a product that doesn't work - namely, George W. Bush.

You are right, Al, that the majority of the American people are wise (yourself excluded) and eventually see through these shams. It just takes some time. Bush and Cheney are going to look awfully, awfully bad through the lens of history.

Posted by: The Conservative Deflator on January 26, 2007 at 9:58 AM | PERMALINK

Good for you, PTate. Sorry I missed wishing you, Bon voyage!

It is warmer than Minnesota, and the wine is better.

And...ça tu peux le dire! [You can say that again.]

Posted by: Apollo 13 on January 26, 2007 at 9:59 AM | PERMALINK

Cheney: "The delays came from the Democrats' insistence that they expand the scope of the inquiry to make it a more political document going into the 2006 elections. Chairman Roberts did everything he could to accommodate their requests for further information without allowing them to distort the facts."

Thanks Al.

So the delay in Phase II resulted from in an insistence by democrats that Phase II be conducted. Furthermore, Roberts was forced to stonewall because a Republican controlled committee couldn't produce a report filled with facts that didn't support democrats.

How did this guy get elected?

Posted by: B on January 26, 2007 at 10:06 AM | PERMALINK

And the mosquitos are a tad smaller? But, I was hoping that PTate could comment about Michelle Bachmann and her talons.

Posted by: thethirdPaul on January 26, 2007 at 10:31 AM | PERMALINK

Lieberman's loyalty

This phrase is not operative.

Posted by: fivewhistle on January 26, 2007 at 10:43 AM | PERMALINK

McCain: Against benchmarks before he was for them.

Mr. Straight-talk's forked tongue again on display.

Posted by: George W. Bush on January 26, 2007 at 10:59 AM | PERMALINK

CLICK THE LINK. ALWAYS CLICK THE LINK. Vice-President Dick Cheney DENIES Rockefeller's accusations and said delays were entirely the Democrats fault.

No, Al. Roberts' chief of staff denies the allegations. Cheney's office did not issue a denial, according to the article. Here's the relevant excerpt:

In an e-mail response to Rockefeller's comments, Cheney's spokeswoman, Lea McBride, said: "The vice president believes Senator Roberts was a good chairman of the Intelligence Committee."

Roberts' chief of staff, Jackie Cottrell, blamed the Democrats for the investigation remaining incomplete more than two years after it began.

"Senator Rockefeller's allegations are patently untrue," she said in an e-mail statement


Posted by: Foo Bar on January 26, 2007 at 11:10 AM | PERMALINK

Many senators have objected to the measure's (anti-surge) language as unnecessarily divisive.

Gee, the GOP wasn't very concerned about devisive language when they were writing resolutions in support of the president's failing plans and excoriating Democrats with that language.

Just call them the GOD (Grand Old Demagogues).

Posted by: John McCain on January 26, 2007 at 11:11 AM | PERMALINK

If Iraqis don't meet the benchmarks his resolution would set, "I think everyone knows the consequence," McCain said. "Then you have to examine your mission. But it's important that we know whether they're meeting benchmarks or not."

Yes, we know the consquences exactly: McCain and Bush will blame liberals, not the Iraqis or themselves, will propose a new stahteegery-of-the-day, set more meaningless benchmarks for the Iraqis to ignore, yah-dee-yah-dee-dah.

Posted by: John Boehner on January 26, 2007 at 11:15 AM | PERMALINK

Cheney's enabling handmaiden, Mary Matalin, is lying and recirculating the same tired WH talking point derived from the SSCI Phase I report that Wilson lied... despite the documents introduced at the Libby trial that cleary show that Matalin is the liar.

CheneyBots have no shame.

Posted by: Apollo 13 on January 26, 2007 at 11:17 AM | PERMALINK

Foo Bar: I searched for evidence that Al has any human traits and got a 404 error.

Posted by: Blue Girl, Red State (aka Global Citizen) on January 26, 2007 at 11:25 AM | PERMALINK

A-13 beat me to the No Quarter link, but it bears reposting. If you aren't checking that site regularly, you are missing out. Of course, Larry Johnson has actually stepped up and done something so the reich wing discounts him.

Fortunately, like the fickle rodents they are, they are swimming away from the sinking ship NeoCon at a pretty good clip.

Posted by: Blue Girl, Red State (aka Global Citizen) on January 26, 2007 at 11:29 AM | PERMALINK

Lieberman's loyalty

Is to the likud party

Posted by: klyde on January 26, 2007 at 11:34 AM | PERMALINK

There you go!

Likud Lieberman

Are there any polls showing Lieberman's current popularity?

Have the moronic Connecticut voters learned their lesson yet?

Posted by: Ned Lamont on January 26, 2007 at 11:37 AM | PERMALINK

I took my Auntie to Temple last weekend. Lieberman is personna non grata among our liberal, reform congregation.

Posted by: Blue Girl, Red State (aka Global Citizen) on January 26, 2007 at 11:39 AM | PERMALINK

Amen, Globe. Larry Johnson has also made an appeal today to help Lara Logan's Haifa Street report get aired on network TV just as you did.

Posted by: Apollo 13 on January 26, 2007 at 11:39 AM | PERMALINK

Dang, I meant yesteday....not today. Ugh. Need some coffee.

Posted by: Apollo 13 on January 26, 2007 at 11:41 AM | PERMALINK

Have the moronic Connecticut voters learned their lesson yet?

One of my oldest and dearest friends lives in Stamford. In her circle of liberal Reform Jews, she tells me that they are talking about introducing "Sore Loser" legislation, although the notion hasn't gained a lot of traction yet.

I think that is a great idea, and I have emailed my own state senator about preemptively introducing similar legislation in my own state.

Posted by: Blue Girl, Red State (aka Global Citizen) on January 26, 2007 at 11:46 AM | PERMALINK

Thank Apollo. I'm doing my posts in word today to post a bit later. I want that Lara Logan Haifa Street post at the top of the page for a while.

Posted by: Blue Girl, Red State (aka Global Citizen) on January 26, 2007 at 11:48 AM | PERMALINK

The news from former vice presidential chief of staff "Scooter" Libby's trial on charges of obstructing a federal investigation -- particularly the revelation that Vice President Dick Cheney wrote a memo that effectively confirms his intimate involvement in strategizing about how to counter the inquiry into the Bush administration's politically-motivated outing of CIA operative Valarie Plame -- should slowly but surely edge the prospect of impeachment back onto the table from which Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi removed it.

A 78-word sentence. Yeah, that's good writing. By the time the average reader gets to the end of it, they've forgotten the beginning.

Posted by: Winda Warren Terra on January 26, 2007 at 11:52 AM | PERMALINK

Ugh, I just watched Britain's Channel 4 video YouTube at No Quarters. OMG, an Iraqi unit pummels Sunni suspects as U.S. soldiers just watch. Unbelievable... sectarian cleansing. Warning: cruel brutality.

Posted by: Apollo 13 on January 26, 2007 at 11:56 AM | PERMALINK

I saw that Apollo. If anyone can watch that and not be motivated to hit the streets tomorrow...Well, I never met a fruit-fly I was embarrassed to share genes with. (The Divine MsN can tell us who said that first.)

Posted by: Blue Girl, Red State (aka Global Citizen) on January 26, 2007 at 11:59 AM | PERMALINK

"Foo Bar: I searched for evidence that Al has any human traits and got a 404 error."

Very funny, Hormonal Citizen.

My arguments must be pretty compelling if you are reduced to ad hominem attacks.

Posted by: Al on January 26, 2007 at 11:59 AM | PERMALINK

said Bill Duhnke, who was Roberts' staff director."

Only fucking moronic bozos believe what one repukeliscum says about another. It's just the Big Lie, with pink doilies.

Posted by: POed Lib on January 26, 2007 at 12:05 PM | PERMALINK

As Hominem implies humanity, it does not compute.

Posted by: Blue Girl, Red State (aka Global Citizen) on January 26, 2007 at 12:06 PM | PERMALINK

Oooooh!

GC just got called "hormonal". I guess that's some kind of wingnut insult.

How very femmophobic of you, Al.

Posted by: Foundation of Mud on January 26, 2007 at 12:08 PM | PERMALINK

It isn't original, FoM - Norman Ragers came up with it. Bots don't have original thoughts, after all.

Posted by: Blue Girl, Red State (aka Global Citizen) on January 26, 2007 at 12:12 PM | PERMALINK

"How very femmophobic of you, Al."

Never mix Latin and Greek words in a neologism, "Foundation of Mud". If you'd had a decent education, instead of the pap you were fed at a liberal public school, you would understand that.

Call me gynephobic if you must.

Posted by: Al on January 26, 2007 at 12:12 PM | PERMALINK

Rockefeller is typical of gutless,spineless democrats in DC....cleve

Posted by: cleve on January 26, 2007 at 12:15 PM | PERMALINK

I say this about Bush's policy in Iraq, and I'll say the same about the spineless enabling Democrats who let him do it:

Far too little, far too late.

The blood of 650,000+ innocent Iraqi civilians is on your hands, Senator.

Posted by: Extradite Rumsfeld on January 26, 2007 at 12:16 PM | PERMALINK

My arguments must be pretty compelling if you are reduced to ad hominem attacks.

We mock you, Al, because of your uncompelling, marching in lockstep Bushbot allegiance. Of course, only you would flatter yourself because no one with two functional brain cells would.

Maybe one functioning brain cell Bushbot with x's in their eyes will stagger in soon to give you an attaboy.

Buh-bye.

Posted by: Apollo 13 on January 26, 2007 at 12:16 PM | PERMALINK

Kevin quotes: "... the Bush administration's use of flawed intelligence on Iraq ..."

The phrase "use of flawed intelligence" is nothing but a mealy-mouthed euphemism for "deliberate, systematic, elaborate, repeated, sickening lies".

Posted by: SecularAnimist on January 26, 2007 at 12:24 PM | PERMALINK

'The Administration IS accountable - to the American people. And the people, in their wisdom re-elected them for a second term in 2004. The people know a good thing when they see it.'
--Al

If that's a good thing, then please poke out my eye with a sharp stick asap.

And, brother, just because we mock doesn't mean your "arguments" are necessarily "pretty compelling".
It's just that kind of thinking that got you, and us, into this much trouble.

Posted by: Kenji on January 26, 2007 at 12:42 PM | PERMALINK

Let's look on the bright side.

When Bush invades Iran, we'll have no choice but to institute a Draft.

Then we'll all get Drafted.

And I promise you all. I *WILL* frag American Hawk, and Al.

Posted by: Extradite Rumsfeld on January 26, 2007 at 12:43 PM | PERMALINK

Cheney has no credibility left. We should all be thankful (you too Al and bart) that we have guys like Rockefeller who do their Constitutional duty to keep a check on this executive branch, which has shown a blatant disregard for the law.


Cheney's role

Posted by: Andy on January 26, 2007 at 12:44 PM | PERMALINK

instead of the pap you were fed at a liberal public school

Gee, Al, all that fine fancy education and it all adds up to douchebag (I know...mixing French and English...my bad).

So who's money did you waste? Mommy's, Daddy's, or was it that wealthy "uncle"?

Posted by: Foundation of Mud on January 26, 2007 at 12:47 PM | PERMALINK

No way our Al knows about Latin or Greek or fancy educations. That, like all Als of every stripe, was a spoof.

Posted by: Kenji on January 26, 2007 at 12:51 PM | PERMALINK

For more background, see:
- "Roberts' Iraq Stonewall Crumbles."
- "Fitzgerald, Iraq and the Truth About Pre-War Intelligence."

For the Senate Intelligence Committee Phase I, partial Phase II and other reports and essential documents, see:
- "The Iraq Intelligence Resource Center."

Posted by: AngryOne on January 26, 2007 at 12:59 PM | PERMALINK

Why shouldn't Cheyney be defensive about his actions?

Afterall, the bogus intelligence was needed in order for the Whitehouse to eventually be able to
go forward with the following executive order (3/20/03)
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/03/20030320-10.html

Face it folks, the whole world is being held hostage to the Cheyneybush Gang.

Posted by: Tom Nicholson on January 26, 2007 at 1:56 PM | PERMALINK

douchebag (I know...mixing French and English...my bad).

douchesack!

Posted by: mister pedantic on January 26, 2007 at 4:42 PM | PERMALINK

also by Jay Rockefeller: “There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years. And that may happen sooner if he can obtain access to enriched uranium from foreign sources — something that is not that difficult in the current world. We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction.”

Oct 10, 2002.

No more than anyone else is Rockefeller a totally trustworthy source.

Posted by: MatthewRMarler on January 26, 2007 at 5:25 PM | PERMALINK

MatthewRMarler wrote: "No more than anyone else is Rockefeller a totally trustworthy source."

Like everyone else, Rockefeller was deliberately, systematically, elaborately and repeatedly lied to by Bush and Cheney.

Some folks, like Dennis Kucinich, saw through the lies:

Unilateral military action by the United States against Iraq is unjustified, unwarranted, and illegal. The Administration has failed to make the case that Iraq poses an imminent threat to the United States. There is no credible evidence linking Iraq to 9/11. There is no credible evidence linking Iraq to Al Qaeda. Nor is there any credible evidence that Iraq possesses deliverable weapons of mass destruction, or that it intends to deliver them against the United States.

-- Rep. Dennis Kucinich, November 2002

Others, like Rockefeller, were more gullible and believed, or were less courageous and unwilling to publicly challenge, the Bush administration's lies about Saddam's nonexistent "stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction" and "nuclear weapons programs".

Posted by: SecularAnimist on January 26, 2007 at 6:00 PM | PERMALINK

MRM: No more than anyone else is Rockefeller a totally trustworthy source.

Well, Rockefeller got Column A (without the benefit of Column B) from the Chinese menu just like what Colin Powell got:

Wilkerson [a former aide to Colin Powell] is one of several insiders interviewed for the CNN Presents documentary "Dead Wrong -- Inside an Intelligence Meltdown." The program, which airs Sunday [August 21, 2005] at 8 p.m. and 11 p.m. ET, pieces together the events leading up to the mistaken WMD intelligence that was presented to the public. A presidential commission that investigated the pre-war WMD intelligence found much of it to be "dead wrong."
Wilkerson talks about a "sort of a Chinese menu" that came from the Bush WH in preparation for Colin Powell's infamous UN speech when the Secretary presented what we now know was faulty intel about WMDs in Iraq.
"(Powell) came through the door ... and he had in his hands a sheaf of papers, and he said, 'This is what I've got to present at the United Nations according to the White House, and you need to look at it,'" Wilkerson says in the program. "It was anything but an intelligence document. It was, as some people characterized it later, sort of a Chinese menu from which you could pick and choose."
Ah, yes, the spicy "nuclear missiles with sauteed mushroom cloud" was evidently a main entreé, too.

But the crackpot bioweapons lab intel being foul put Powell over the edge with George Tenet. Wilkerson elaborates:

"George actually did call the Secretary, and said, 'I'm really sorry to have to tell you. We don't believe there were any mobile labs for making biological weapons,'" Wilkerson says in the documentary. "This was the third or fourth telephone call. And I think it's fair to say the Secretary and Mr. Tenet, at that point, ceased being close. I mean, you can be sincere and you can be honest and you can believe what you're telling the Secretary. But three or four times on substantive issues like that? It's difficult to maintain any warm feelings."
Rockefeller was only as good as the sources he was given. Now who would give Congress faulty intel? Hmmm?

Posted by: Apollo 13 on January 26, 2007 at 6:11 PM | PERMALINK

And hat tip to what SecularAnimist said at 6:00 PM.

Posted by: Apollo 13 on January 26, 2007 at 6:16 PM | PERMALINK

Can we expect Jay "imminent threat" Rockefeller to investigate his own "use of flawed intelligence on Iraq"?

Posted by: am on January 26, 2007 at 7:50 PM | PERMALINK

Can we expect Bush voters to investigate their own use of flawed not-thinking and slavish submissiveness?

Posted by: Apollo 13 on January 26, 2007 at 8:44 PM | PERMALINK

Like many other senators voting for the AUMF, Rockefeller made it clear that his vote was intended to make it easier for the US to reach a peaceful solution. Bush was saying those days that he needed this resolution because Saddam would only respond to a credible threat of use of force. And Saddam did respond that way -- at the end of the process, he became not only cooperative but, in the words of Blix, proactive. The inspectors believed they were making great progress and, within weeks or months, they would know if Iraq had WMD or not. But Bush stopped the process short precisely because it was making progress -- and his goal was regime change, not elimination of the WMD. So Rockefeller and the other members of Congress were duped. For this, they have every right to investigate -- and to impeach, IMO. The following words are from the same Rockefeller speech that MatthewRMarler quoted above, given just before the AUMF vote:

But this is not just a resolution authorizing war; it is a resolution that could provide a path to peace.

...

I believe we must give the President the authority he will need if there is any hope to bring those negotiations to a successful conclusion.

So, Mr. President, I will vote for the Lieberman/McCain resolution. Preventing a war with Saddam Hussein -- whether now or later -- must be our top priority, and I believe this resolution will strengthen the president’s hand to resolve this crisis peacefully.

Posted by: JS on January 26, 2007 at 9:16 PM | PERMALINK

This is all so sad. Do youse all realize that if phase 2 is released soon and the Libby trial goes on then this will all end. Are not a few hundred thousand plus lives worth paying for what this regime are doing to the last empire?

What are we anarchists supposed to do without Dick and George working for us?

I'm outraged at the outrage.

Posted by: professor rat on January 26, 2007 at 11:00 PM | PERMALINK

Neil Young has the best idea for dealing with these filthy liars here.

Posted by: Video Man on January 27, 2007 at 10:41 AM | PERMALINK

Neil Young has the best idea for dealing with these filthy liars here.

Posted by: Video Man on January 27, 2007 at 10:46 AM | PERMALINK

But this is not just a resolution authorizing war; it is a resolution that could provide a path to peace.

Warner did subsequently vote to support the invasion and commend the president's diplomacy.

I think that if congressional opponents of the war want to end the war they have to vote for one thing that they want, and stop voting for ambiguous or vague things. Some sort of resolution that opposes the stationing of troops in Iraq unless they are effective, or bringing troops home starting Jan 2008 if the security situation permits (a la the Iraq Study Group) will just not work.

The AUMF that Warner voted for was not an authorization for one more bluff.

Posted by: MatthewRMarler on January 27, 2007 at 1:14 PM | PERMALINK

Warner? I thought the discussion was about what Rockefeller said in 2002.

Posted by: JS on January 27, 2007 at 4:09 PM | PERMALINK

Look for this oleaginous tribune of coal miner country to be the first casualty of the Repub comeback in 2008. This guy makes Paris Hilton look like a responsible member of the rentier class.

Posted by: mr. insensitive - the former minion on January 27, 2007 at 8:30 PM | PERMALINK

JS, thanks for the correction. I was thinking about Warner in another context, and that's what my fingers typed.

Posted by: MatthewRMarler on January 27, 2007 at 9:27 PM | PERMALINK

MRM: OK, but the point of JR's speech (and of my post) was that it was Bush that was ambiguous (or, rather, misleading). He was saying that he needed the resolution so he would have a stronger hand in making peace -- by convincing Saddam to "disarm". But when he got the resolution, he made it clear that he was only interested in war. And as Woodward has made clear, the decision to invade had already been made, so his solicitations to Congress in the name of avoiding war were plain lies.

Posted by: JS on January 28, 2007 at 10:22 AM | PERMALINK




 

 

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