Gee, how many guesses do we get?

I wonder if Dick Cheney's official biographer (and Weekly Standard writer) will show his face any time soon. I mean, who pushed Feith's garbage upon the public more than Stephen Hayes?

When caught with hand in cookie jar deny there is a cookie jar.

Someone, like (fat chance) Chris Wallace, should explain to Feith that lies matter.

Shouldnt the title of this post be changed to

"Lies and the lying liars"?

People like Feith need to be put under oath in front of a Congressional Committee ... Patrick Fitzgerald should be there also, along his eye line.

Faith based garbage
Feith based garbage
It's all the same. Light years away from reality, and in lockstep with the plan.

So will our legislators and the public consider recent history now that the plan includes attacking Iran?

When will Wallace ever get tired of fellating guys like Feith?

I'm still waiting for how Egbert is going to "Ah, Kevin..." this one.

The worst administration. Ever.

Um.. Does it matter that it's probably true that Iraq had such a relationship? I'm guessing not here.

Franks was right Doug Feith really is "the stupidest f'ing man on the face of the earth."

Did Feith really believe his leaked memo was not going to be found. Of course, Chris Wallace wouldn't find it, but the very next time Feith does an interview with a real reporter he is going to have that memo shoved down his throat.

Has anybody thought to ask Georgetown why they have entrusted the education of young people to such a dummy?

Um.. Does it matter that it's probably true that Iraq had such a relationship? I'm guessing not here.
Posted by: aaron

since it is a lie, and since you cannot prove the substance of your assertion, and since a corrolary to the thread is "FACTS matter" (one of my favorite and underrated Chomskyisms) ... then you are correct, and bullshit afactual allegations matter very little here.

as they should.

I also see now that Feith's office seems to have made the entire case for war, that Iraq controlled al Qaeda, and did it 6 month after the invasion happened.

Great catch.

In Bob Woodward's book Plan of Attack, then-Secretary of State Colin Powell called Feith's operation at the Pentagon the "Gestapo" office because Powell believed it amounted to a separate, unchecked governing authority within the Pentagon.

"Feith wasn't somebody we enjoyed working with, and to go much further than that would probably not be a good thing. To be honest, we blew him off lots of times. Told the secretary that he's full of baloney, his people working for him are full of baloney. It was a real distraction for us, because he was the number three guy in the Department of Defense"

- Former CENTCOM Deputy Director, Lt. General Michael DeLong

via Wikipedia.

Is anyone in the media going to point out that he openly and blatantly lied on national TV this morning?

Given the substance of the IG report I would think this might be of interest to Senator Levin.

pwned!

bzzzzt, wrong. Those are Hayes' words, not Feith's.

bzzzzt, doubly wrong: the Feith memo was a summary of raw intelligence reports from various USG intelligence organs. All the Feith group did was collect them.

Please try harder.

ironically, am's contention that all feith did was compile contrarian views without supporting data does little to relieve the image of him as the "stupidest fucking man on the face of the earth."

Case you didn't catch it yet. It was based on intel gathered after the invasion.

Case you didn't catch it yet. It was based on intel gathered after the invasion.
Posted by: aaron

Then turn those pretty little bold face font into a link, you worthless dipshit. I'm sure that given your special knowledge of the connection between al qaeda and iraq prior to our illegal invasion, it MUST burn to not see it televised and propagandized as you'd like.

It just depends on what the meaning of "operational relationship" is, because surely it is as ambiguous as word “is� is.

Saddams "operational relationship" with Osama was one of non-participation.

er.. a word as "is" is.

It's in the link Kevin provides.

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/02/09/douglas-feith-under-secretary-of-lies-obfuscation/

Crooksandliars has the video, entitled "Douglas Feith: Under Secretary of Lies and Obfuscation. It is amazing to me that he would go on television and speak yet more deceptive statements, which can be fact-checked like this. He is a professor at Georgetown University's Edmund A. Walsh School of Foreign Service.
Wonder why he would spotlight these very serious credibility issues even more so on national television. I would think this could be controversial for the university as well.

"The memo, dated October 27, 2003, was sent from Undersecretary of Defense for Policy Douglas J. Feith to Senators Pat Roberts and Jay Rockefeller, the chairman and vice chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee."

-Stephen Hayes

Dates matter to.

Ron Byers,
It's interesting that even a dupe like Tommy Franks thinks Feith is a douchebag asshole.

aaron, what on Earth is your point? So they were still purveying worthless intel AFTER the invasion which proved them liars. Is there something you're trying to tell us other than that Tommy Franks was underplaying it when he called Feith the stupidest man on Earth?

Let's face it folks, in the run up to the war Doug Feith's efforts were more akin to the efforts of one of Dr. Joseph Gerbils employees than to an analyst working with a "George Smiley."

He was all propaganda, all the time.

furthermore, aaron, why would even the stupidest fucking man be backtracking from his previous assertions unless they were lies?

if there really was intel supporting his assertion, why would he be currently be bloviating about never having said "... there was an operational relationship ..."? the only reason to walk away from his previous lies would be because he couldn't find any post facto intel to support his previously uttered lie, despite 4 years of trying.

So Feith is discrediting himself on national television.

Scooter Libby is on trial.

Donald Rumsfeld has "retired" to an undisclosed location?

Yellow Cake, Aluminum Tubes and the Al Qaeda connection stories have all been outed as propaganda propped up by Feith's Office of Special Plans.

How come the man responsible for all of this is still in a position to decide on matter of our national defense? And I don't mean junior.

Joseph Goebbels not Joseph Gerbils. Although Gerbils is amusing. Feith does look a little like a furry little rodent.

Wounded marine returns home from Iraq to marry.

And I suppose I'm correct to assume that Chris Matthews did zero to challenge Feith's assertion!?

I scream at the t.v. much less often, now that I no longer watch the news.

Mr. Feith needs to go to prison. I hope he can be successfully prosecuted in the near future. And WHAT was Georgetown thinking, hiring him as a professor? (If he's still there...) It will be interesting to see if he leaves Georgetown "to spend more time with his family" in the coming days.

I guess that whole "depends" thing really depends. I mean, if Feith presents a bunch of actual evidence that suggest a relationship with al Qaeda along with some likely possibilities that there were more, but less certain, activities, and the intel community has this evidence, but just doesn't consider it enough to merit using the words "operational relationship", then, depending, you might believe that Feith said there was an "operational relationship".

Stupid liberals, always looking for a way to undermine our proud leaders. I don't know why you can't just READ carefully.

Feith said, "Nobody in my office ever said there was an operational relationship between Iraq and Al Qaeda. It's just not correct. I mean, words matter."

Nobody in his office ever said it. There are dozens and dozens of other places where Feith COULD have said it. Furthermore, even if he WAS in his office, he could easily have TYPED it rather than SAYING it. There is no contradiction here, no lie, only more wishful thinking by "gotcha" liberals.

Words do matter!

I, for one, would dearly love to see Mr Feith testifying under oath on whether he lied on Fox or whether he is so brain dead that he argued for an unprovoked war and forgot about it (perhaps because he does stuff like that every day).

I understand that the intelligence committee chairmen would consider this a waste of their committees valuable time so I will just day dream about it.

McNulty: Don't knock the Greeks, they invented civilization.

Bunk: Yeah. And ass-fucking.

I, for one, would dearly love to see Mr Feith testifying under oath on whether he lied on Fox or whether he is so brain dead that he argued for an unprovoked war and forgot about it (perhaps because he does stuff like that every day).

I understand that the intelligence committee chairmen would consider this a waste of their committees valuable time so I will just day dream about it.

Feith does look a little like a furry little rodent.

A furry little rodent, nude, wearing a toupee.

I swiped a link I cited above from SomeOtherDude on some other thread and didn't even realize where I'd gotten it.

Kevin: "Anybody want to guess whose office this "top secret memorandum" came from? Anybody? No fair clicking the link first!"

Before we gloat over having won this latest round of "Gotcha!" with the administration -- to whose ultimate benefit I've yet to determine, for the reasons listed below -- we really need to remember that most people in this country are not wired, i.e., do not have internet capability, and therefore don't enjoy the luxury of "clicking the link first."

Most people in this country also don't have cable television, and they truly depend upon the public airwaves, literally and figuratively.

It's precisely for those very people that the GOP's oft-repeated, nonstop stream of bullshit is first conceived and disseminated by loyal neocon robotrons like Doug Feith.

The non-wired amongst us really have no way to readily confirm or debunk what their elected officials are telling them other than whatever corporate-inspired propaganda the so-called mainstream media chooses to soil us with today over the public airwaves.

Therefore, these fellow Americans -- many of whom have been learned to respect God and country with little question -- must decide whether or not to take at their word this cynical administration and its co-dependent coterie of professional sycophants inhabiting that so-called mainstream media. Thus, up to 70% of Americans at one point were led to believe that Saddam's Iraq had something to do with the 9/11 tragedy.

They are the people whose inherent trust in George W. Bush after the 9/11 tragedy was purposefully betrayed by this president's nonchalant disdain for the very insititutions that he swore an oath to protect and defend.

It's also their as-yet-unrealized potential for becoming the worst political nightmare of those Republicans currently holding public office -- most recently demonstrated by the public's wrath in the '06 midterm elections -- that most obviously gives the GOP good cause for its present concerns.

And, ladies and gentlemen, therein lies the political battleground as determined by the GOP's own dire necessity, and where the Democratic Party's ability to firmly secure its political dominance for the next generation will either be won or lost.

Donald from Hawaii, well said, but I bet you will find there are a lot more wired people now than when the war began. We are just beginning to recognize our voice.

Osama bin laden and Saddam Hussein had an operational relationship from the early 1990s to 2003 that involved training in explosives and weapons of mass destruction, logistical support for terrorist attacks, al Qaeda training camps and safe haven in Iraq, and Iraqi financial support for al Qaeda -- perhaps even for Mohamed Atta -- according to a top secret U.S. government memorandum obtained by The Weekly Standard.

Maybe the inference of an "operational relationship" was made by The Weekly Standard. Does anyone have a link to the "to secret U.S. government memorandum" itself? Maybe it said "These links are insufficient to constitute a true operational relationship, but ... ."

Doug Feith is a True American Patriot, and how dare you disparage this great man's character!

He will be remembered by history for his brilliant leadership in cleverly persuading the American People to conquer the Middle East (when the lily-livered Liberals would have not wanted to do so, even when it was clearly in their best interest).

The money that has gone to defense contractors and Heritage Foundation workers from this effort will be protecting America from the evil political influence of communists and liberals for decades, and American defense contractors will be able to maintain their competitiveness because of all the business they've had from this war. Their executives' political donations will ensure that only Republicans and other morally-correct persons will be entrusted with the reigns of control of this country.

So you liberals and communists and terrorist lovers can just go suck it. Doug Feith, Paul Wolfowitz, and great American Patriots like them have saved America from your evil clutches yet again!

Lionel Hutz, esq wrote:

Nobody in his office ever said it. There are dozens and dozens of other places where Feith COULD have said it. Furthermore, even if he WAS in his office, he could easily have TYPED it rather than SAYING it. There is no contradiction here, no lie, only more wishful thinking by "gotcha" liberals.
Words do matter!

You may be joking, but given the actions of many in the Bush administration, that kind of Jr. High logic may very well be in play, here. It's very common in political campaigns these days, and this is after all the administration that continues to think and act like a non-stop political campaign to this day.

Ron Byers: "Donald from Hawaii, well said, but I bet you will find there are a lot more wired people now than when the war began."

True, and similarly well said.

However, while we have certainly achieved the level of significant political presence, we have yet to attain a majority. That's not to say that we can't be creative in our ability of willingness to spread our influence significantly outside the ethernet.

I really have no way of knowing or determining how many of us download and print for our non-wired friends and family those important or provocative articles that we think should be more widely read, but I would imsagine that number to be fairly substantial. Has anyone ever come across a study about internet use that surveyed, in all or in part, that particular question?

Actually Don, Feith has pretty much only been in the "wired" realm up until recently. To hear him you had to visit the internet or C-span. Even there his presence was rather small.

Nobody ever accused Tommy Franks of being an Einstein, but he got Feith exactly right. I wonder if Feith used the "stupidist f--king guy on the planet" quote on his CV when he applied to Georgetown? Oh well, even if he didn't, it's going to end up on his tombstone.

Definitely wouldn't accuse Franks of being an Einstein.

A perfect example of why blogs matter. It's getting harder and harder to just bald-face lie.

I hope.

And hey! We've never been about "stay the course"!

aaron: "Actually Don, Feith has pretty much only been in the "wired" realm up until recently. To hear him you had to visit the internet or C-span. Even there his presence was rather small."

I'm not talking about Doug Feith personally -- I would go further than you, and offer that 90% of Americans wouldn't have the slightest idea who he is.

I'm talking specifically about Feith's misinformation campaign, the results of which were widely disseminated across the public airwaves. His neocon message had to have plenty of sympathetic water-bearers, if 70% of the American people were to initially believe that Saddam facilitated in all or in part the 9/11 tragedy.

Nobody in my office ever said there was an operational relationship between Iraq and Al Qaeda.

And we were never "stay the course".

I need a drink.

A perfect example of why blogs matter. It's getting harder and harder to just bald-face lie.I hope.
Posted by: craigie on February 11, 2007 at 9:42 PM | PERMALINK

Most frequently cited by the RIGHT, of course, is the Dan Rather thing. Sure, both sides lie, but look at how much more effective it is for the RIGHT. (and given how the fake memo's trail had Rove's foul stench).

But you're right. Blogs are important. VERY important. I said it before and I'll say it again; Josh Marshall is probably the most singularly responsible American for saving Social Security. Can you feel the sheer gravity of that statement?

There are three ways they will try to attack this:
1. Further consolidation and domination of mainstream media channels, in order to drown out the internet - even frame the blogs as "nutcases" and "conspiracy theorists". (which is, to some degree true). They have much more money; and after the last 7 years, they have WAY more money, and worse, they borrowed it, and made US responsible for paying it back. (where do you THINK that "missing" $9 Billion in Iraq went to?)
2. Further impoverishment and destruction of the American Middle Class. After all, the VERY poor only have televisions. The merely poor have CABLE television. The middle class has Internet. The less middle class families in America, the less people on the Internet.
3. The elimination of a data-neutral net. On this last issue: www.eff.org. Donate early, and donate often.

This (internet freedom) is really mankind's best and only hope. Look at what's happened to the Internet in countries like China or Saudi Arabia. Sooner or later, either in the guise of trying to stop Child Pornographers, or illegal pharmaceutical trafficking, or terrorists, they will try to outlaw freedom. Don't let them.

It occurs to me that Fox News has its uses. People like Feith feel comfortable enough on the network to lie freely and often, and then with documentation we can show them to be liars.

Wow. It's true what Gen. Franks said: Feith is the stupidest f***ing man on earth.

Or else Feith thinks everyone else is stupider than he is...

Neil: "It's true what Gen. Franks said: Feith is the stupidest f***ing man on earth. Or else Feith thinks everyone else is stupider than he is ..."

Or a toxic combination of the two, i.e., a fool with ambition.

They didn't say it they typed it. Words matter.

Feith and his gang are a bunch of scumbags, plain and simple. The contempt with which they treat everyday people is astonishing and disgraceful.

Yep, Words matter
http://www.gwotnews.info/leftlies.htm

Which one of those matters now?

Feith's empty protestation that "words matter" once again makes a point that I've been making for several years now. Whether it's politics or policy, PR or foreign affairs, the administration's model is that of a litigator. Make any argument you can with a straight face and hope you can persuade the jury. However, litigators with this weak a case get thrown out of court and sometimes sanctioned. Unfortunately, these guys survived summary judgment in the 2004 election.

Ok I read the article. The words operational relationship are those of Hayes not Feith. It seems that the report led Hayes to conclude that Saddam and al Qaeda had an operational relationship although it did not specifically say so.

But ex-Rummy, their lies are real lies. Our lies, like the Rather thing, are truths that got mixed up with fabrications—probably thrown in just to spoil the evidence. Big difference.

Well, it's quite true no one from the office ever SAID that; they simply WROTE it in a memorandum--not the same thing at all!

spider, TruthPolitik,

Generally speaking, if a prominent magazine like the Weekly Standard is given access to a "top-secret" intelligence report and then turns around and misinterprets it in such a fantastic manner, you'd imagine that the supplier of the report would be quick to correct the misinterpretion, right? You'd think they'd be bitching an moaning for a big errata section in the next issue, right?

Did that happen? No. So in a way it doesn't matter what the report itself actually said (especially since no one could have even accessed the report itself at the time). In this case silence speaks louder than words.

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