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March 5, 2007

WINGNUT-ORAMA....Go check out Greg Sargent's takedown of the latest anti-Hillary idiocy from wingnut-land. It would be sort of breathtaking if it weren't just business as usual for these guys.

Kevin Drum 8:08 PM Permalink | Trackbacks | Comments (59)
 
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Naturally your grrlfriend Ann Althouse is right on top of the smear. And though it was pointed out to here early on that it was a poem she was quoting from, Althouse didn't retract or anything.

Her monkeys are having a fine old time in her comment forum.

Kev, I sure hope the sex is worth it, cause otherwise, I can't figure out what you two have in common.

Posted by: jerry on March 5, 2007 at 8:19 PM | PERMALINK

Kevin, in retrospect, thanks for not mentioning Ann Coulter's attempt at money.

Posted by: Boorring on March 5, 2007 at 8:26 PM | PERMALINK

Click the link, Kevin. Always click the link:

Hillary's sins were being corny as hell and painfully tone deaf.

Even Hillary's defenders have to acknowledge her faults.

Posted by: Al on March 5, 2007 at 8:27 PM | PERMALINK

The wingnutosphere cares not for the facts, only that these stories stay in the news long enough for them to make an indelible impression on the psyche of distracted Americans.

You need that when your party is inept, corrupt, and has unpopular policies.

Posted by: trex on March 5, 2007 at 8:29 PM | PERMALINK

Bizarre that the righties would even think about hurling an accusation of putting on the corn-pone for political purposes. Have they never heard Bush sounding like a Bubba from the backwoods?

Posted by: John B. on March 5, 2007 at 8:31 PM | PERMALINK

I did click the link, Al. I read the whole thing. As a result of clicking the link and reading the whole thing, I concluded that those attacking Hillary were dishonestly representing her words.

Thanks for the suggestion. I hope everyone else "clicks the link" and learns the truth about wingnut dishonesty.

Posted by: Joel on March 5, 2007 at 8:43 PM | PERMALINK

"jerry" barfed:
Naturally your grrlfriend Ann Althouse is right on top of the smear... Kev, I sure hope the sex is worth it, cause otherwise, I can't figure out what you two have in common.

Kevin, are you going to continue to allow yourself be Coulterized or are you going to eject "jerry?" You may be willing to tolerate personal assaults at this level but its an insult to Ms Althouse, too. Be a gentleman and oust the asshole.

Posted by: fyreflye on March 5, 2007 at 8:51 PM | PERMALINK

Ann Coulter is a word whore. She is very pathetic and ugly. Her persona is of no value. She is a rush limbaugh understudy henchman for the republican cause.

Posted by: viking on March 5, 2007 at 8:57 PM | PERMALINK

Oh, I've been ragging on Kevin about Ann being his grrlfriend ever since he said he visited her site daily.

And there is no such thing as an insult to Ann who has said that a) she is into blogging to become a famous pundit, b) everyone that dislikes her just is in her vortex, and c) she is totally beyond us.

Posted by: jerry on March 5, 2007 at 8:58 PM | PERMALINK

But, Uncle Al -- what about that time you told us that Hillary killed her lover Vince Foster and dumped his body in that park, because Foster was going to blow the whistle on her husband's importation of tons of cocaine from Colombia to Mina, Arkansas from which both Bill and Hillary were going to finance the Iran-Contra affair just enough to where the scheme would become a major scandal, so they could turn around and embarrass the Reagan Administra -- oh, that's right.

Uncle Ollie said he was acquitted becuase Iran-Contra never happened.

Never mind.

Posted by: Al's and Egbert's secret gay love child on March 5, 2007 at 8:59 PM | PERMALINK

Since Kevin is the Cal pundit and Ann is the Wis pundit, there is no worry in anyone's minds that Kevin has anything for Ann.

Posted by: jerry on March 5, 2007 at 8:59 PM | PERMALINK

You may be willing to tolerate personal assaults at this level but its an insult to Ms Althouse, too. Be a gentleman and oust the asshole.
Posted by: fyreflye

It is unquestionably an insult to kevin ... it may be the best smear that's happened to poor ann in years.

harpies can't be choosers.

Posted by: Nads on March 5, 2007 at 9:00 PM | PERMALINK


Why must the press not show dead bodies, the maimed disabled young men who are americans. Why dosen't any one have the fortitude to excerise the principle of free press. Why is there no investigative reporters????

Posted by: viking on March 5, 2007 at 9:01 PM | PERMALINK

One final post on this, my main complaint is that if Kevin continues to visit Ann daily as he said he does, I don't understand why he doesn't call her on her bullshit more often, especially since SHE has whined that none of the liberals give her enough link love, and she has demanded more attention as the last honest remaining true democrat.

Posted by: jerry on March 5, 2007 at 9:01 PM | PERMALINK

Ann who?

Posted by: floopmeister on March 5, 2007 at 9:08 PM | PERMALINK

floopmeister: "Ann who?"

Megadittos on that. If Ann Althouse yells in the forest, but nobody's around to hear her, does she really make a sound?

Posted by: Donald from Hawaii, Channeling Sly Stallone on March 5, 2007 at 9:14 PM | PERMALINK

Only of one hand clapping, methinks...

Posted by: floopmeister on March 5, 2007 at 9:16 PM | PERMALINK

...in the interest of racial solidarity...

I'm sorry - you seem to have mistaken this blog for Stormfront.

Don't look now, but I think your uneducated prejudice is showing...

Posted by: floopmeister on March 5, 2007 at 9:34 PM | PERMALINK

from the link:

Hillary's real sins here were being corny as hell and painfully tone deaf.

with friends like that, ... .

Posted by: spider on March 5, 2007 at 9:47 PM | PERMALINK

Ah, Kevin.

G_d help us if femi-nazi Hitlery Clintoon becomes President.

Can you imagine an America where children have equal rights and abortion on demand?

I tremble for my country.

Posted by: egbert on March 5, 2007 at 10:34 PM | PERMALINK

We tremble for your school system, if you are indicative of the caliber of student produced.

Posted by: Blue Girl, Red State (aka Global Citizen) on March 5, 2007 at 10:44 PM | PERMALINK

Think about wingnut land this way. Right now they got nothing to talk about. The war in Iraq is a nightmare. The returning wounded are being treated badly in lousy conditions at various Army hospitals. Pete Domenici and Heather Wilson have admitted ethics violations in the firing of David Iglelias. The rest of the AG purge looks like it has legs. The AG will probably lose his job. At the very least he has been shown to be a liar under oath. Didn't they impeach Bill Clinton for that? Their poll numbers are in the toilet. Their foreign and domestic policies have proven to be disasterous. Their leaders incompetent. Even Ann Coulter trashed for calling Edwards a faggot.

What do they have left? Nothing.

So what do they do. They call Al Gore a hypocrite because he has a big house. They snear at Hillary Clinton at every opportunity. They complain Obama isn't an authentic black whatever that means. Boys and girls the noise machine is sputtering. It is shooting blanks.

Posted by: Ron Byers on March 5, 2007 at 10:55 PM | PERMALINK

Like I have posted on this blog before, there is no rumor or titillating innuendo too preposterous for the right-wing knuckle-draggers to not trot out against the Clintons. Expect Vince Foster to rise again from the grave soon....

Posted by: The Conservative Deflator on March 5, 2007 at 11:12 PM | PERMALINK

Kevin Drum --

completely off point, but I am now hearing about US forces asking journalists/photographers in Afghanistan to delete pictures etc. after todays over-use of force; the shooting of civilians and the use of 2,000 lb bombs.

This is going to get very much bigger. It might have been "OK" when it wasn't witnessed or reported in Iraq. This will not be true here.

On your past performance, I am not surprised you haven't picked up on this. You are very much a West coast "American" who never sees the wider international picture.

Posted by: nottheere on March 5, 2007 at 11:18 PM | PERMALINK

I heard Ann Coulter's adam's apple was slang and shit...

Posted by: elmo on March 6, 2007 at 12:03 AM | PERMALINK

They call Al Gore a hypocrite because he has a big house.

I think that they call Edwards a hypocrite because he has a big house. they call Gore a hypocrite because he uses a lot of electricity and gas.

What the Democrats seem to have missed is that both of them are very successful business men. If there are indeed "two Americas", Edwards and Gore are in the really rich one.

People who call Gore a "hypocrite" have missed the main point: he is a true believer who has founded a company to make a lot of money off of those American and British citizens whom he can persuade to believe in global warming. In the words of an old American song, nicely arranged by Aaron Copeland, Gore is "dodgin'" for your contributions to CO2 offsets. This is good business, and a business good for the environment, at least in the long run. He can probably accomplish more toward reducing CO2-induced global warming by running his company (including the marketing movie, "An Inconvenient Truth") than he can by being president. It's another, if possibly ironic, example of the creativity of the marketplace. I expect that, by November of 2007, he will have markedly reduced the energy consumption of his house in Nashville. It's good busniness for him to do so.

I'm not mocking. I think he may finally have found his true calling. He certainly acts composed and secure.

Posted by: MatthewRMarler on March 6, 2007 at 12:48 AM | PERMALINK

No, no, no... Edwards is a hypocrite because he never denied being a faggot. When will he apologize to poor Ann Coulter?

Posted by: Glenn Reynolds on March 6, 2007 at 1:19 AM | PERMALINK

I think that they call Edwards a hypocrite because he has a big house.

No, they called him a bad person because he sold his house to someone. Or something.

What the Democrats seem to have missed is that both of them are very successful business men.

Wingnuts imagine that Democrats are against business people being successful, and then think they've scored a point by pointing out that Gore and Edwards are successful.

People who call Gore a "hypocrite" have... good busniness for him to do so.

Shorter MattewMarler: I can't refute the consensus of climatologists regarding climate change, so I'll imagine Gore has nefarious motives and slag him for that.

Posted by: jimBOB on March 6, 2007 at 1:40 AM | PERMALINK

I listened to the link and found Greg Sargent persuasive. Then I listened to the Drudge link and discovered that Drudge included three snippets: one was the poem that Sargent addressed.

However, the Drudge link also included two tiny snippets where Sen. Clinton was just talking. I find this criticism of Sen. Clinton minor and silly. However, I do think Sargent ought to have pointed out that she was "accused" of using a sourthern accent in other ways than just that poem.

When you're accusing other people of dishonesty, it behooves you to bend over backwards to be fully honest yourself.

Posted by: ex-liberal on March 6, 2007 at 1:51 AM | PERMALINK

The AG will probably lose his job

Now you're talking sweet pron. If Abu lost his job or better yet, wound up in prison I just might orgasm into another dimension.

Posted by: AnotherBruce on March 6, 2007 at 1:58 AM | PERMALINK

egbert writes:

G_d help us if femi-nazi Hitlery Clintoon becomes President.
Can you imagine an America where children have equal rights and abortion on demand?
I tremble for my country.

As opposed to what? A president who ignores the Constitution and sends an American citizen to jail without due process? A president who presents half-truths and scares the public into get our country into war? Hillary Clinton, at the very minimum, has shown respect for our Constitution - something the current Administration clearly does not. Your sense of right and wrong is misguided and you lack the capacity to reason with any intelligence.


Posted by: Andy on March 6, 2007 at 1:59 AM | PERMALINK

It would be sort of breathtaking if it weren't just business as usual for these guys.

I guess you could call it breathtaking, if you consider feces-flinging zoo monkeys breathtaking.

Posted by: AnotherBruce on March 6, 2007 at 2:39 AM | PERMALINK

I tremble for my country.

No, that's definitely the meds, egbert old boy.

Posted by: floopmeister on March 6, 2007 at 4:42 AM | PERMALINK

It's business as usual, because the right-wing knows they cannot win a national election on their unpopular and out-of-the-mainstream views. They must rely on treachery, misdirection and subterfuge. Look at both 2000 and 2004 - those elections were stolen, not "won".

Posted by: The Conservative Deflator on March 6, 2007 at 5:41 AM | PERMALINK

Al: "Even Hillary's defenders have to acknowledge her faults."

And that, my dear gasbag, is the essential difference between us and you.

Posted by: Kenji on March 6, 2007 at 5:47 AM | PERMALINK

"ex-liberal" wrote: When you're accusing other people of dishonesty, it behooves you to bend over backwards to be fully honest yourself.

Well, since you're as dishonest as the day is long, you stinking neocon toad, I think it's safe to reject your opinion out of hand, as usual.

Posted by: Gregory on March 6, 2007 at 8:21 AM | PERMALINK

That went right over his head, Kenji...

Posted by: Doctor Skew on March 6, 2007 at 8:39 AM | PERMALINK

Face it. The Republicans know that Hillary Clinton can defeat any candidate they put up for president and that she can carry the Congress as well while no other Democratic candidate can do as much. Thus she becomes Republican Party Enemy No. 1.

Posted by: sammy on March 6, 2007 at 8:53 AM | PERMALINK

And lest we forget:

Nine U.S. servicemen were killed near Baghdad Monday while Brian Williams and NBC News were declaring victory there.

Posted by: art on March 6, 2007 at 8:57 AM | PERMALINK

America isn't your country, Egbert.

Anyone who is as quick as you and your kind to shit on the Constitution has lost the right to call America his country.

Posted by: CN on March 6, 2007 at 8:57 AM | PERMALINK

Is Obama a wing-nut, Kevin? Obama's staff has come up with some pretty good anti-Hilary stuff. The over-nighters, the pardons of Puerto Rican terrorists, the lying and dissembling, the politics of personal destruction.

Posted by: Frequency Kenneth on March 6, 2007 at 9:39 AM | PERMALINK

Maybe I was wrong. Maybe the Hillary story is the giant lead the wingnuts hoped. I finished my morning workout watching CNN and there much to my amazement was a story about Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama using a southern drawl last weekend. Amazing. I wanted to throw my shoe at the television, but would have fallen off the elipical trainer if I had.

Posted by: Ron Byers on March 6, 2007 at 9:42 AM | PERMALINK

test

Posted by: MDtoMN on March 6, 2007 at 10:07 AM | PERMALINK

True enough, the audio was cherry picked. But if one listens to Sen. Clinton's other remarks it is clear that she was affecting a Southern drawl, thinner than the cherry picked quote but affected none-the-less. I listened to her comments and then found other video of her speaking and there was definitely a difference.

For the record I consider myself a progressive who will certainly vote for Sen. Clinton if she is the nominee.

I also think that Sen. Clinton deserves to be referred to as Sen. Clinton or Mrs. Clinton. Pundits do not refer to male candidates by their first names.

Posted by: Chris Brown on March 6, 2007 at 10:16 AM | PERMALINK

*yawn*

Another day, another wingnut smear.

Kevin, while I appreciate that there are blogs out there devoted to debunking this crap as soon as it comes over the wire, you really don't have to note it every time it happens. How about limiting yourself to a simple weekly recap of wingnut smears?

Posted by: Disputo on March 6, 2007 at 10:21 AM | PERMALINK

she was affecting a Southern drawl

What do you mean "affecting"? Has no one else here ever lived in a place and picked up the accent? HRC lived in Arkansas for what, 20 years? If she was drawling, she came by it honestly.

Posted by: Disputo on March 6, 2007 at 10:35 AM | PERMALINK

Affecting means that she was speaking with Southern intonations she does not normally use.

Affect - "To put on a false show of; simulate: affected a British accent." American Heritage Dictionary.

Posted by: Chris Brown on March 6, 2007 at 10:56 AM | PERMALINK
True enough, the audio was cherry picked. But if one listens to Sen. Clinton's other remarks it is clear that she was affecting a Southern drawl, thinner than the cherry picked quote but affected none-the-less. I listened to her comments and then found other video of her speaking and there was definitely a difference.

People who have come about more than one accent through time and exposure and living in different environments often switch (or shade) between them largely involuntarily in response to their present environment, emotion, etc. Even if she was deliberately choosing to use the accent she's had most of her adult life, I don't see how that's a subject of any kind of meaningful criticism, rather than a smear designed to irrationally suggest dishonesty from people who lack the evidence to support a rational charge of dishonesty, and lack the character themselves to be forthright with what they want to suggest so that it could be directly debated.


Posted by: cmdicely on March 6, 2007 at 11:06 AM | PERMALINK

While Iraq burns righty wingnuts fiddle over Hillary's "intonations".

Posted by: ckelly on March 6, 2007 at 11:17 AM | PERMALINK

True enough, the audio was cherry picked. But if one listens to Sen. Clinton's other remarks it is clear that she was affecting a Southern drawl, thinner than the cherry picked quote but affected none-the-less. I listened to her comments and then found other video of her speaking and there was definitely a difference.

Hmm...identical talking points from "ex-liberal" and a self-professed Democrat.

'Fess up, guys...which site is pushing this talking point? PowerLine? Malkin? Drudge? Come clean.

Posted by: Gregory on March 6, 2007 at 11:34 AM | PERMALINK

But if one listens to Sen. Clinton's other remarks it is clear that she was affecting a Southern drawl, thinner than the cherry picked quote but affected none-the-less.

Umm, she did live in Arkansas for a little less than twenty years and has been married to a Southerner for over thirty. When people are exposed to an accent for that long they inevitably pick up some of it. Frankly I'd be surprised if her speech hasn't picked up a little molasses by this point.

Posted by: Stefan on March 6, 2007 at 11:43 AM | PERMALINK

But if one listens to Sen. Clinton's other remarks it is clear that she was affecting a Southern drawl, thinner than the cherry picked quote but affected none-the-less.

By the way, I look forward to the inevitable news stories about how Connecticut born, Kennebunkport-summering, and Andover-Yale-Harvard educated George W. Bush is affecting a Southern drawl....

Posted by: Stefan on March 6, 2007 at 11:46 AM | PERMALINK

Greg and others who believe that I am repeating "talking points" from the right wing blogoshpere can visit my blog and judge for themselves. I also suggest that you listen to the audio of Clinton's Selma speech and other recent speeches, which it is apparent you haven't done.

Knee jerking occurs from all points on the political spectrum.

http://expatriateruminations.wordpress.com/

Posted by: Chris Brown on March 6, 2007 at 11:49 AM | PERMALINK

Greg and others who believe that I am repeating "talking points" from the right wing blogoshpere

Um, check out "ex-liberal" at 1:51 am...you are repeating right-wing talking points.

Posted by: Gregory on March 6, 2007 at 12:11 PM | PERMALINK

Gregory,
You really ought to restrain your jerking knee.

If you will check my blog you will see I posted on this subject yesterday (March 5), at 10:02 in the morning to be exact.

I did not read ex-libs comment above before posting my comment here, just as I'm sure ex-lib did not read my blog entry. Look a bit further down on my blog and you will see I criticized Sen. Clinton for the contortions she has gone through trying to explain her vote authorizing the Iraq adventure. I also referred to Guiliani as "pond scum" for charging $100,000. and a private jet to speak at a tsunami fund raiser and referred to McCain as pitiful for swinging on the evangelical meat. I have also criticized Clinton, Edwards, and Biden for their Iraq war votes.

Yes, I think Sen. Clinton is terminally phony and I will never forgive her for co-sponsoring the flag burning amendment or for voting for war in Iraq.

The world isn't just ones and zeros, bud; or just "liberals" and "conservatives", or any other such labels that have been rendered meaningless by folks with such simple minds that they find it necessary to reduce clutter in their brains by placing everything into tidy little categories.


Posted by: Chris Brown on March 6, 2007 at 1:18 PM | PERMALINK

You really ought to restrain your jerking knee.

Um, Chris, again, whether you read the comments or not, the fact is you did repeat "ex-liberal"'s spin. (A fact which, incidentally, ought to embarrass you.)

As to your blogwhoring, I'll pass...at the risk of further accusations of "knee jerking," I can't say your own summary makes your blog's opinions sound all that compelling.

Posted by: Gregory on March 6, 2007 at 2:26 PM | PERMALINK
...shooting blanks. Ron Byers at 10:55 PM
Like Coulter's boyfriends?
…a company to make a lot of money off of those American and British citizens whom he can persuade to believe in global warming…: MatthewRMarler at 12:48 AM
There are no common sense ideas in your little fantasy world are there chum? The big big money comes from the oil companies who fund the deniers. People may pay to attend a lecture, but that is nothing compared to the funding that your rightwing 'thank' tanks receive from their corporate sponsors for shilling. You denigrate financially successful Democrats and cry "class warfare" in other cases. Pathetic.
…it behooves you to bend over backwards to be fully honest yourself. ex-lax at 1:51 AM
One of life's lessons you never learned. Bill Clinton was governor and born in which state? Hillary Clinton lived there for decades. Care to guess which region it was in? Hint, people there are notorious for having accents. It's not like some pampered princeling of privilege moved from his Connecticut roots to Texas and developed a twang.
1. Economy 2. GWOT 3. Taxes 4. Crime Manco_Dollars at 4:34 AM
That is straight out of the Nixon playbook. What happened to the concern about healthcare and the war in Iraq on your planet?
Obama's staff has come up with some pretty good anti-Hilary stuff….F K at 9:39 AM
They must have been snooping Rove's garbage cuz that's the same tired old crap you've been peddling for years.
…Knee jerking occurs from all points on the political spectrum… Chris Brown at 11:49 AM
But the right wing noise machine excels at it and has their smear&lie remarks disseminated more quickly and widely. Posted by: Mike on March 6, 2007 at 2:52 PM | PERMALINK

That's unlike anything we've ever seen on the left! I'm shocked!

Posted by: Frank J. on March 6, 2007 at 11:36 PM | PERMALINK

People who have come about more than one accent through time and exposure and living in different environments often switch (or shade) between them largely involuntarily in response to their present environment, emotion, etc.

Hay-ul, ah only dated a Virginia gal for 'bout on fo' months 'fore ah started sayin' "y'all."

Posted by: Stefan on March 7, 2007 at 10:53 AM | PERMALINK




 
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