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March 8, 2007
By: Kevin Drum

MARCH DIMWITTERY UPDATE....Last month I wrote a post that collected all the dimwit stories about Democratic politicians that had somehow made the jump to mainstream media stardom in the previous few weeks. I figure I should keep it up to date. Here's the list again, with new entries in italics:

  • Nancy Pelosi: the military jet flap

  • John Edwards: the Georgetown house flap, the foul-mouthed blogger flap

  • Barack Obama: the madrassa flap, the stock purchase flap

  • Hillary Clinton: the "evil and bad men" flap, the family foundation flap, the "Southern drawl" flap

The Obama parking ticket story has gotten a fair amount of play, but since everyone (so far) seems to be treating it as lighthearted puffery it doesn't count. Anything I've left off the list?

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You left out Hillary's Southern Drawl Flap.

Posted by: bubba on March 8, 2007 at 6:42 PM | PERMALINK

Democrats are currently embarrassing themselves by warmly embracing attorney generals who were fired for incompetence. I'm not sure what specific name you would attach that to, however. I hope this information is helpful.

Posted by: American Hawk on March 8, 2007 at 6:43 PM | PERMALINK

bubba beat me to it

Posted by: DNS on March 8, 2007 at 6:47 PM | PERMALINK

those darn U.S. Attorneys, not doing what Republican politicians want them to do!

Posted by: haha on March 8, 2007 at 6:47 PM | PERMALINK

oh, and receiving a glowing performance review right before being fired isn't suspicious at all--just ask any employment attorney or anyone at the EEOC.

Posted by: haha on March 8, 2007 at 6:49 PM | PERMALINK

Bubba: Thanks! I knew I'd forgotten something.

Posted by: Kevin Drum on March 8, 2007 at 6:49 PM | PERMALINK

American Hawk:

Lesson No. 1 -- it's about United States Attorneys, not Attorneys General. You can use Google to learn the difference.

Lesson No. 2 -- they weren't fired. They were asked to resign.

Lesson No. 3 -- "fired for incompetence"? No one has said that. The White House and Justice Department have mumbled about "performance issues", but they've also mumbled about all kinds of other things. And, besides, they all had positive performance reviews.

So please shut up.

Posted by: DNS on March 8, 2007 at 6:50 PM | PERMALINK

Gore's electric bill?

Posted by: gussie on March 8, 2007 at 6:50 PM | PERMALINK

mhr --

You're clearly upset. I suggest a short nap.

Posted by: DNS on March 8, 2007 at 6:56 PM | PERMALINK

Speaking of what Iraqis want, anyone know of any recent polling on that?

Posted by: gussie on March 8, 2007 at 6:58 PM | PERMALINK

On what Iraqis want... for many, many months, a majority have said that they consider the presence of US troops to be a direct contributor to violence. A majority also say that they want US troops to leave. In other words, I'd LOVE to know where Brian Williams got his information. [Perhaps mhr can point us to a transcript or a URL.]

Posted by: DNS on March 8, 2007 at 7:01 PM | PERMALINK

Huh. I just heard the NBC nightly broadcast in the background, and I heard Petraeus say to lower expectations and there was no military solution, it's time to bring on the politicians.

Posted by: Blue Girl, Red State (aka Global Citizen) on March 8, 2007 at 7:04 PM | PERMALINK

P.S. -- for mhr's benefit.

The facts -- the polls -- say that Iraqis want the US to leave. But Brian Williams of NBC told his viewers that the Iraqis want the US to stay. In other words, NBC lied to its viewers in order to suggest that Bush is right, that he's got the support of the Iraqi people.

How would you explain that?

Posted by: DNS on March 8, 2007 at 7:08 PM | PERMALINK

Okay - now I have to go to the god-damned NBC website. I'm watching the Newshour first...

Posted by: Blue Girl, Red State (aka Global Citizen) on March 8, 2007 at 7:11 PM | PERMALINK

Why do I suspect that any of these stories about a well-known Republican would suddenly become relevant?

Posted by: rnc on March 8, 2007 at 7:17 PM | PERMALINK

Yet drunk driving, going aWol and cocaine abuse are not relevant?

Posted by: Blue Girl, Red State (aka Global Citizen) on March 8, 2007 at 7:18 PM | PERMALINK

I agree on all those, but I think actually the "Southern drawl" flap was a dimwit story that actually had legs. Hillary obviously is not from the South, but she panders by speaking in a southern accent, even if it's a quote. She sounds horrifically bad! And I'm sure she practiced it, too. Who okayed that part of the speech??

Posted by: Media Glutton on March 8, 2007 at 7:20 PM | PERMALINK

She sounds horrifically bad!

No kidding. The "flap" on this one is about poor political instincts. It's not about pandering so much as pandering badly.

Posted by: bobb on March 8, 2007 at 7:28 PM | PERMALINK

I watched the event on Cspan and thought Hillary was just getting into it.

Posted by: consider wisely always on March 8, 2007 at 7:30 PM | PERMALINK

Hillary disrespected the American Chinese press! Obama said the troops were wasted! And Harry Reid did something confusing with real estate! Oh, and John Edwards said Jesus hates Americans, but he lives in a big house!

Posted by: Jim7 on March 8, 2007 at 7:31 PM | PERMALINK

American Hawk: "Democrats are currently embarrassing themselves by warmly embracing attorney generals who were fired for incompetence."

You spilled some Kool-Aid on your t-shirt.

Isn't there anything original you can add to the discussion? Your insults and recycled GOP talking points are soooo yesterday ...

Posted by: Donald from Hawaii on March 8, 2007 at 7:31 PM | PERMALINK

Media Glutton: You try to recite that and then you might even want to say your sorry.Besides that was not a southern drawl.As the righties would say that was poor black folk talk.What a Bush!!!

Posted by: john john on March 8, 2007 at 7:34 PM | PERMALINK

Kevin,

You missed the Obama's ancestors owned slaves story. Since Obama claims he was descended from his ancestors, he necessarily sees no problem with it.

Posted by: mklutra on March 8, 2007 at 7:35 PM | PERMALINK

Al probably means U.S. attorneys—'cause you know how much he despises those Bush appointees, who always get fired en masse for incompetence nobody heard about until that day.

Let's just figure that he couldn't stay away from the "Dimwittery" in Kevin's title. He wants us to know that, no matter how hard anyone else tries, he is still the stupidest person in the room. And it is nice to see a Republican succeed at something.

Posted by: Kenji on March 8, 2007 at 7:36 PM | PERMALINK

Jolly good stuff, Kevin. All scandals and negatives about Democrats are over-blown, but all scandals and negative stuff about Republicans are major Blockbusters that the corporate media are ignoring.

And when John Edwards lectures us on how Jesus would be "appauled" at the selfishness in America, we're not supposed to wonder why he lives in a 28,000 square foot mansion.

Riiiiiiiight.

And when Hilary launches into a Fake Southern accent when she addresses a Balck church in Selma, we aren't supposed to question her sincerity.

And when Nancy Pelosi demands a bigger plane than her predecessor had, we are suppsoed to believe she is looking out for the little guy.

Posted by: Frequency Kenneth on March 8, 2007 at 7:38 PM | PERMALINK

DNS >"...I suggest a short nap."

I agree

Here, mhr, here is your blankie. Now go nighty nite.

"...It is those who describe me as an extremist who happen to be the extremists against whom I am warning the electorate." - George Soros

Posted by: daCascadian on March 8, 2007 at 7:39 PM | PERMALINK

Let’s no forget the “Obama’s church is racist” flap.

Posted by: antiphone on March 8, 2007 at 7:39 PM | PERMALINK

Why do I suspect that any of these stories about a well-known Republican would suddenly become relevant?
Posted by: rnc on March 8, 2007 at 7:17 PM | PERMALINK

RNC, it's probably because you think in partisan slash and burn fashion, and so you assume everyone else does too. Our side, on the other hand, doesn't believe that politics is a zero sum game.

Posted by: An Anonymous Patriot on March 8, 2007 at 7:43 PM | PERMALINK

And when John Edwards lectures us on how Jesus would be "appauled" at the selfishness in America, we're not supposed to wonder why he lives in a 28,000 square foot mansion.

I would refer you to the Sermon on the Mount, the Beatitudes, and a dictionary.

And when Hilary launches into a Fake Southern accent when she addresses a Balck church in Selma, we aren't supposed to question her sincerity.

She did live many years in Arkansas. As one who has lived in various parts of the country, I can offer the anecdotal evidence that I sometimes pick up the tone and inflections of the person or people I am speaking to.

And when Nancy Pelosi demands a bigger plane than her predecessor had, we are suppsoed to believe she is looking out for the little guy.

The House Sergeant of Arms requested the plane that could make the trip non-stop. I would refer you to the media archives and, again, a dictionary.

Posted by: Blue Girl, Red State (aka Global Citizen) on March 8, 2007 at 7:43 PM | PERMALINK

News flash,Bush went AWOL from The Texas National Guard.And then he got a DWI,but luckily he dunped the cocaine before the cops found it,and then he married some chick who killed her highschool sweatheart.And the guy I hear swindeled his way into owning a MLB team and traded Sammy Sosa.Then went into the oil business but failed and sold it to Bin Laden for a hefty profit.Then while trying to watch a football game tried to swallow a pretezl whole and chocked.And then muttered 16 words that he should not have said but being he already said decided to go with it anyway.How am I doing Hawk I'm just slaying these Dumb Dems,yea give me five.

Posted by: john john on March 8, 2007 at 7:43 PM | PERMALINK

DNS: "mhr - You're clearly upset. I suggest a short nap."

Either that, or go out and exercise vigorously. Otherwise, you're going to give yourself a stroke.

Posted by: Donald from Hawaii on March 8, 2007 at 7:46 PM | PERMALINK

RollingStone Magazine has a great article by Tim Dickinson that just came in my mail--"Beyond Quagmire."
It offers a grim assessment by a panel of experts--diplomats, counterterrorism analysts and former top military commander, includes Richard Clarke, Juan Cole, Paul Pillar, Z.Brzezinski, Nir Rosen, Tony McPeak, Chas Freeman, Michael Scheuer.

And a good one by Matt Taibbi on "Dick has a Tough Week."
"If anything...Cheney is meaner now than he ever was...on Cheney's world tour, anger, death and destruction greet him at every stop."

Regarding Iran, "Most seem to think there's no way they will pull this bullshit again."

Best line: "With Dick Cheney still pacing the sidelines,
you can never rule out one last historic Hail Mary,
even if everyone else knows the game is long over."

Posted by: consider wisely on March 8, 2007 at 7:47 PM | PERMALINK

Remember the “Obama dresses like the president of Iran” attempted flap?

Posted by: antiphone on March 8, 2007 at 7:53 PM | PERMALINK

I think when the list is examined, we'll find a common thread of a small story that becomes much, much bigger once it hits DRUDGE.

That fucker has too much power with this bullshit.

Posted by: tomboy on March 8, 2007 at 7:53 PM | PERMALINK

Frequency Kenneth: "And when John Edwards lectures us on how Jesus would be 'appauled' at the selfishness in America, we're not supposed to wonder why he lives in a 28,000 square foot mansion."

And when you lecture us with your long-discredited GOP talking points, we're not supposed to wonder why you still live in the basement of your parents' house?

Posted by: Donald from Hawaii on March 8, 2007 at 7:54 PM | PERMALINK

tomboy: "That fucker has too much power with this bullshit."

Matt Drudge, like Mark Foley and Ted Haggard, is another pathetic and self-loathing closet case.

Posted by: Donald from Hawaii on March 8, 2007 at 7:59 PM | PERMALINK

There’s been a minor flap over whether Obama is “black enough” to deserve the support of African Americans.

A little flap over who really raised Chelsea.

There will soon be flaps over Hillary’s attire, sexual habits, sexual history, sexual orientation, musical tastes, financial misdeeds beyond the trust thing, coldness, cruelty to animals, hostility towards men, bad language, and possible shop-lifting at the 5&Dime when she was five year old.

Posted by: little ole jim from red country on March 8, 2007 at 8:02 PM | PERMALINK

If that's all the GOP oppo reserach can come up with to give to their cronies in the MSM, 2008 is going to be an unmitigated disaster for the Republicans.

Hooray! President Obama.

Posted by: gregor on March 8, 2007 at 8:03 PM | PERMALINK

a minor flap over whether Obama is “black enough”

Has anyone in the MSM raised the question of whether Condoleezza Rice or Colon Powell are black enough?

Have any Republicans been accused of looking French?

Posted by: antiphone on March 8, 2007 at 8:13 PM | PERMALINK

BGRS, Globe: She did live many years in Arkansas.

And she's married to a native Southerner. That can affect one's accent in addition to living in Arkansas many years...trust me on this...foh true.

Posted by: Apollo 13 on March 8, 2007 at 8:14 PM | PERMALINK

tomboy: "That fucker has too much power with this bullshit."

Ah, for the good old days when we could rely on the three networks and CNN to carry our water and their own kneepads.

Posted by: dnc on March 8, 2007 at 8:15 PM | PERMALINK

The republicans have it stinky, compared to the stars running as democratic contenders for 2008.
I poisoned my ears once more listening to that other water carrier Hannity's radio show. His irate wingnut callers were upset with Giuliani too liberal and Romney too changeable...they seemed in a tizzy.
bwaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahaha

Posted by: consider wisely always on March 8, 2007 at 8:19 PM | PERMALINK

I, for one, consider it noteworthy when CWA busts out the bwahahahaha's.

Posted by: Blue Girl, Red State (aka Global Citizen) on March 8, 2007 at 8:24 PM | PERMALINK

Frequent Bedwetter: "And when Hilary launches into a Fake Southern accent when she addresses a Balck church in Selma, we aren't supposed to question her sincerity.

And when Nancy Pelosi demands a bigger plane than her predecessor had..."

Yes, well this made-up shit may actually happen around the time you sign up for remedial-English courses at your local community college. But watch out: even there, they have standards. You would be expected to read and pay attention and not just make a bedwetting ass of yourself.

In short, we're not worried. Keep on Balcking!

Posted by: Kenji on March 8, 2007 at 8:27 PM | PERMALINK

I, for one, consider it noteworthy when CWA busts out the bwahahahaha's.

Me, too, Globe. I'm still chuckling, CWA, and darn near to ROTF.

Posted by: Apollo 13 on March 8, 2007 at 8:28 PM | PERMALINK

Does the Hawkster ever conjure images of Winnie the Pooh and his Little Black Raincloud in anyone elses mind?

Posted by: Blue Girl, Red State (aka Global Citizen) on March 8, 2007 at 8:28 PM | PERMALINK

No, he doesn't, Blue Girl. That story is beyond his reading level.

Posted by: CN on March 8, 2007 at 8:41 PM | PERMALINK

Ah, for the good old days when we could rely on the three networks and CNN to carry our water and their own kneepads.

not sure when that little fairy tale was ever reality.

oh right, it wasn't.

Posted by: haha on March 8, 2007 at 8:42 PM | PERMALINK

Guys, haven't you learned the Threadjack MO of your typical wingnut troll by now?

1) Make a peripheral comment on the subject at hand...trying to be as inflammatory as the the forum will allow.

2) Watch and laugh as liberals earnestly try to correct your flawed facts and/or reasoning.

3) See if you can spot a rhetorical error by one of the liberal responders and assert that that error proves your original contention.

4) Repeat steps 2 & 3.

Posted by: Dazir on March 8, 2007 at 8:44 PM | PERMALINK

This has been a great thread; however, I must adjourn for the evening.

Ace of Spades has posted a couple of videos starring Matt Sanchez and I have a hot date with Rosy Palmer.

Posted by: Frequency Kenneth on March 8, 2007 at 8:45 PM | PERMALINK

I enjoyed tonight. I have to retire to the couch--fell today on the ice getting out of the car. Ouch. Rhymes with couch. Liberal bloggers rule!

Posted by: consider wisely always on March 8, 2007 at 8:49 PM | PERMALINK

OT: I just read at Media Matters that Libby isn't eligible for a pardon if the preznit follows the DOJ guidelines. Rules Governing Petitions for Executive Clemency here.

Posted by: Apollo 13 on March 8, 2007 at 8:52 PM | PERMALINK
The House Sergeant of Arms requested the plane that could make the trip non-stop. I would refer you to the media archives and, again, a dictionary.

And, hell, a frigging map.

Posted by: cmdicely on March 8, 2007 at 8:59 PM | PERMALINK

Touche', Chris.

Posted by: Blue Girl, Red State (aka Global Citizen) on March 8, 2007 at 9:17 PM | PERMALINK

I remember the good old days when we had important stuff like the "missile gap", and Pat Nixon changing her name.

Posted by: MatthewRMarler on March 8, 2007 at 9:19 PM | PERMALINK

Dazir, I can see your point, however I look at it this way: An assertion unchallenged is an assertion accepted. At least it runs the peril of appearing so to the lurkers, and political blogging is about those who read what we post more than the regulars here joining some mutual admiration society and shunning the trolls like we were all Amish and they smoked, drank and swore.

Posted by: Blue Girl, Red State (aka Global Citizen) on March 8, 2007 at 9:21 PM | PERMALINK

When, oh when, are some of you guys going to get the apostrophe key on your keyboard fixed? It is very annoying to read.

Oh. I forgot, this is about spurious attacks against Democratic candidates. Or is it about Hawk & Al attacking liberals & liberals attacking him back, again & again & again & again? Yawn . . .

Oops, I'm sorry. I'm bitching again.

Posted by: bob in fl on March 8, 2007 at 9:22 PM | PERMALINK

I remember the good old days when we had important stuff like the "missile gap", and Pat Nixon changing her name.
Posted by: MatthewRMarler

And cloth coats. Don't forget cloth coats. Not that I'm old enough to actually remember anything about it but old news footage, but still. It's important.

Posted by: gummitch on March 8, 2007 at 9:24 PM | PERMALINK

Sorry for the thread hijack, but I know Kevin will love this bit of news:

http://oversight.house.gov/story.asp?ID=1205

Committee Will Hold Hearing on Disclosure of CIA Agent Valerie Plame Wilson's Identity


Chairman Henry A. Waxman announced a hearing on whether White House officials followed appropriate procedures for safeguarding the identity of CIA agent Valerie Plame Wilson. At the hearing, the Committee will receive testimony from Ms. Wilson and other experts regarding the disclosure and internal White House security procedures for protecting her identity from disclosure and responding to the leak after it occurred. The hearing is scheduled for Friday, March 16.

In addition, the Committee today sent a letter to Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald commending him for his investigation and requesting a meeting to discuss testimony by Mr. Fitzgerald before the Committee.

The Oversight Committee will webcast the hearing live at www.oversight.house.gov.

Posted by: anon on March 8, 2007 at 9:45 PM | PERMALINK

Well, I guess now it's time for the US to threaten to bomb Israel:

"Israeli officer sells weapons to terrorists in Iraq"
Posted by: Disputo on March 8, 2007 at 9:46 PM | PERMALINK

gummitch >"...And cloth coats. Don't forget cloth coats..."

Checkers !!!

Nice little puppy !

"There is nothing worse than a sharp image of a fuzzy concept." - Ansel Adams

Posted by: daCascadian on March 8, 2007 at 9:55 PM | PERMALINK

Memo to Libby:

Good job coordinating our flying monkey trolls.
You've got the dimwitted libs trying to keep count of our insults rather than trying to get even.

Perfect.

All is splendid with but one caveat:

Haven't seen the Pelosi created the Internet thingy much.

Get the trolls going on that.
Posthaste.
I want that Eye-talian bitch all buck-shotted up in the face over that.

Hie the trolls Scotter...
Hie the trolls.

Posted by: Mumblings from The Bunker on March 8, 2007 at 10:00 PM | PERMALINK

Can the list include Dem on Dem flaps? I think Edwards' apology for his Iraq vote and his decrying HRC's refusal to do so (while trying to appear as if he's not doing that) will surely lead to more stories about this (there are already quite a few).

Posted by: TJM on March 8, 2007 at 10:01 PM | PERMALINK

You can include Al Gore's electric bills on this list. Much ado about nothing.

Do we have anything just as juicy on Rudy?

Posted by: mikeel on March 8, 2007 at 10:13 PM | PERMALINK

mikeel: Do we have anything just as juicy on Rudy?

Rudy Giuliani in Drag Smooching Donald Trump? Check it out on YouTube.

Posted by: Apollo 13 on March 8, 2007 at 10:20 PM | PERMALINK

Not only do the right-wing retards live in an alternate reality, now they even have their own phony source of batshit crazy “knowledge” called Conservapedia.

Posted by: Hodwik Flushingpout on March 8, 2007 at 10:42 PM | PERMALINK

After noting these items, Kevin, are you still wondering why Democrats refuse to take calls from reporters?

Posted by: Google_This on March 8, 2007 at 10:50 PM | PERMALINK

Obama sold 10 feet of land to a bad, bad man. (Or did he buy it? I forget.)

Posted by: Quaker in a Basement on March 8, 2007 at 11:13 PM | PERMALINK

Do we have anything just as juicy on Rudy?

1. Married his second cousin.
2. After 14 years of marriage, claimed that he didn't know she was his cousin, in order to get an annulment.
3. Cross-dresser.
4. Had an affair with one of his aides.
5. Lived with his mistress and future third wife and his then wife and kids in the same house.
6. Announced to his wife on TV that he was getting a divorce.
7. Lived with two gay guys.

Nah... we ain't got nuttin' about his personal life....

Maybe we should look at his public life...?

Posted by: Disputo on March 8, 2007 at 11:18 PM | PERMALINK

phony source of batshit crazy “knowledge” called Conservapedia.

Or as I call it, Wacky-pedia.

Posted by: Blue Girl, Red State (aka Global Citizen) on March 8, 2007 at 11:20 PM | PERMALINK

Apollo - I finally got around to taking a swipe at Ann Coultergeist. You might enjoy the snark...

Posted by: Blue Girl, Red State (aka Global Citizen) on March 8, 2007 at 11:24 PM | PERMALINK

gummitch: Don't forget cloth coats.

And how unbelievably photogenic Jack and Jackie Kennedy were. And the darkness of Nixon's jowls when he was on tv.

About Clinton's southern drawl, it seemed to please the audience. It deserves a little positive notice if she did it to please an audience and the audience was appreciative. I think it may be another example of her being more pleasant in person than on tv. I think the criticism is backfiring.

Posted by: MatthewRMarler on March 8, 2007 at 11:59 PM | PERMALINK

It's just amazing to me (I know it shouldn't after six years in nitwit hell) that the Repubs can be going after a potential presidential candidate FOR THE WAY HE OR SHE TALKS!

Where are the irony police when you need them?

Posted by: Kenji on March 9, 2007 at 12:26 AM | PERMALINK

And, heavens to murgatroid, don't forget (don't even acknowledge) the hefty donation of cash to the Obama campaign by Jared Abbruzzese, a New York businessman now at the center of an FBI inquiry into public corruption in Albany, WHO HAD ALSO CONTRIBUTED TO SWIFT BOAT VETERANS FOR TRUTH, a group that sought to undermine John Kerry's Democratic presidential campaign in 2004.

The May 2005 donation to Obama by Abbruzzese was a departure from his almost exclusive support of Republican. Eight months earlier, for instance, Abbruzzse contributed $5,000 to the Swift Boat group, and he has given $100,000 to the Republican National Committee since 2004.

Shhhhhhhhhh.

Posted by: buford on March 9, 2007 at 12:26 AM | PERMALINK

Speaking of all this, Kevin, have you seen OppoDepot? It's a new site designed to grab just these sort of stories.

Posted by: Jeffshenk on March 9, 2007 at 12:54 AM | PERMALINK

Today, in the Arizona Republic our governor, Janet Napolitano was quoted as saying that she's not ready to advocate for troop withdrawal. It was on the front page of the Arizona Republic newspaper (3-8-07). She also made statements like: there is progress in Iraq and our troops are getting things done.

I want to know why she as political leader for the Democratic party of Arizona is finally making a public statement on Iraq when for many months and years we (the citizens of this state and country) have been dreaming of the day that she would take a stand against the illegal occupation of Iraq and that we would see her with us standing together arm and arm in front of Bloody John McCain's office or Jon Hyl Kyl's office protesting as right wing wackos and monarchists shouted profanities at us and tried to hit us with their cars.

On top of it all, the members of the state Democratic party of Arizona voted in 2005 for our troops to withdrawal from Iraq, now it can be said that this was only a symbolic resolution on the behalf of the Democratic party of Arizona but one thing this official resolution wasn't: some internet poll or unofficial survey. This was an official resolution for a troop withdrawal. Janet Napolitano is the leader of our party in Arizona, so these direct quotations are in effect direct contradiction to what the membership of this party said in 2005: Withdraw our troops from Iraq. The elites seem to have gone along with this resolution as type of patronization of the progressives in this party.

Furthermore, it will be said that our governor Janet Napolitano was not the only one to be invited to Iraq by Secretary of Defense Gates but, I have seen in the press where she met behind closed doors with officials of the Bush administration supposedly just to discuss solutions for fighting fires in Arizona. But, Janet's coddling up to right wingers in Bush's administration represents the danger we all face when we eventually reach the highest levels of power in politics: that we will associate so much with our ideological opponents that we start to become like them.

These public statements by the governor are a symbolic slap in the face to those in this party (the Democratic party of Arizona) and those independents and progressives who know that George Bush is an evil and sick tyrant. Why else, after all of our entreaties to her to stand with us would her first major public statements not be against the illegal occupation of Iraq but instead for it. she made statements to our reporters such as: She is not yet ready for a troop withdrawal from Iraq? When I recieved the email from Mr. Wade today from the Arizona Democratic Party of Arizona that governor Napolitano visited Iraq, the statements that our governor made regarding her non-support for an American troop withdrawal that she was quoted as making on the front page of the Arizona Republic today were not included. This is not appreciated. We progressives in this party are not children to be patronized or laughed at. Just like the way Bush's people laughed at the fundamentalist in his party, whose support he needed (behind their backs and behind closed doors) as being ignorant and simple minded.

For those of you who say we are being unfair to our Arizona governor Janet Napolitano and that she is being quoted out of context, we say that she is one of the most politically savvy and uncanny politicians and that she does not make "loose statements". For those of us who have watched her rise to power in Arizona, we have known of her over powering ambition to always put the advancement of her political career as her top priority.

One must realize that she is a product of the Hillary group and that she was schooled in their methods (rightly or wrongly) when she was sent out here to Arizona years ago by President Clinton when he came to power . It is no accident that she eerily similar to Hillary in her political strategies and her public stances on the Illegal Occupation of Iraq.

But you know what? When many of us know human beings are actually being murdered (American soldiers and citiizens of the world) for a lie (the Occupation of Iraq) we have to sacrifice if necessary our political careers and save lives and not leastly save this Republic from Fascism. Political careers must come second. But, I am afraid that this political sacrifice is to much to ask the governor and the elites in this party who hold stances on the Occupation similar to hers. Why not triangulate and use the blood of American soldiers (like John McCain is doing) to win the next election?

Why else would our governor make such grievous statements and symbolically rub the progressives wounds in salt by not just staying silent but incredibly now making statements that support more killing of American soldiers and civilians in Iraq? Is the Senate position now held by John McCain now that important. This may seem naive of me but why does Machivelli's ghost now seem to run the governor's mind and the minds of other elites in this party?

We activist have had to sacrifice everything, including our political chances in this party because at the end of the day and at the end of our of lives we know that we stood for Right with my fellow brother and sister progressive activist to bring home our American soldiers and fight for the survival of this Republic. What a shallow life to always lust for political power at the cost of human lives.

I ask the governor of this state (Arizona) to either retract her statement about not standing for an American troop withdrawal from Iraq or that she states that she is for an American troop withdrawal in the very near future from Iraq.

Since we know that Napolitano is a political calculator who carefully takes no chances as to not be seen as standing with the progressives who advocate for getting our troops out of Iraq, we can also calculate that her advisors have told her that the progressives in this party do not hold much power in the Democratic party of Arizona (as they believe was demonstrated by the party election last January of a state chair that progressives fought against). But, the governor should be careful because progressives in this party hold more power and influence than she probably believes. If it follows that she and advisors believe that we progressives in this party do not hold much power, she and they probably believe that if we left the party it would cause no harm to their centrist republican view of the Democratic party.

In fact, it could shrewdly be concieved that if we progressives were pushed out of the party (purged) , the DNC theme of the party would take complete control of the Democratic party in Arizona . To this, I state to you my fellow activists DO NOT let them push us out of the party for that is exactly what they want, for then like the rest of the country they could consolidate and incorporate their DNC philosophy over the Democratic party of Arizona.

I am deeply dissappointed and disheartened because although we could not get the governor to come out and openly protest or publicly stand against the continued killing of our American soldiers I never expected our governor Napolitano to come out so arrogantly and brazenly advocate for the continued presence of American troops in Iraq by stating that she doesn't believe they should be withdrawn yet, as she was quoted in the Arizona Republic today.

I hope the governor and other elites in this party prove me wrong and come out tommorrow publicly by stating openly that they are against the Iraq Occupation and therefore put their petty political ambitions second and the lives of our Americans soldiers first. We could expect this from Republicans and Monarchist but not those elites who run the Democratic party. I apoligize to all of those elites in the Democratic party who have come out publicly against the occupation of Iraq, There are such leaders as Mr. Alfredo Guiterrez who stand for what is right and join in our protest even to the point of getting arrested for non-violent civil disobedience.

It is very easy now for well known politicians to go to the Martin Luther King Celebrations that are held every January and smile for the cameras but would they have stood arm in arm wit Dr. King when he was also a political outcast from the elite of this nation? We need the leadership of men like Dr. King who was savagely attacked and finally murdered for his courageous stand for what was right.

So now I ask: Governor Napolitano are you for or against the Illegal Occupation of Iraq? I have to ask this question because for all intents and purposes today you took a stand for the Illegal Occupation of Iraq and therefore indirect support of that murderous king and tyrant George Bush. So this is not an unfair question to ask you because we activist put our lives and careers on the line all the time by taking public stances against the Iraq War and for others to state that since you hold an elite position in the Democratic party as precluding you from taking a stance for or against the Iraq War therefore is no excuse. Our fellow Americans are dying for a lie! Please do not take the flip flopping stance of John McCain or the Fascist stance of Jon Kyl.

Where are you govenor? We need your support not your opposition.

Leonard Clark Persian Gulf/ Iraq War III Vet

Chair of the John McCain Recall Committee
contact: 602-423-6300 email: leonardclark385@hotmail.com

3-8-07

Posted by: Leonard Clark on March 9, 2007 at 1:34 AM | PERMALINK

buford --

Do you have a source/cite for the donation to Obama? Thanks.

Posted by: DNS on March 9, 2007 at 2:26 AM | PERMALINK

I found the cite myself -- the NY Times (3/7/2007) piece that reported the non-news that Obama lost money on an investment.

I wouldn't be surprised if (1) Obama returns the donation from Jared Abbruzzese and (2) Jared Abbruzzese made the donation in the first place for the sole purpose of allowing the Right to make exactly this kind of insinuation.

Posted by: DNS on March 9, 2007 at 2:31 AM | PERMALINK

Blue Girl, Red State (aka Global Citizen) on March 8, 2007 at 11:24 PM

Your swipe at the Coultergeist was exceptionally cunning!

Posted by: Apollo 13 on March 9, 2007 at 4:21 AM | PERMALINK

At last, I remember who the slick, fast-talking Barack Obama puts me in mind of.

Barack Obama is none other than Nathan Detroit of Guys and Dolls repute.

You know:

"Why, it's good old reliable Nathan, Nathan, Nathan, Nathan Detroit,
If you're looking for action, he'll turn it to spot,
Even when the heat is on, it's never too hot.
But for the good old reliable Nathan, oh it's only just a short walk,
To the oldest established permanent floating crap game in New Yawk.
There are well-heeled shooters everywhere, everywhere,
There are well-heeled shooters everywhere,
And awful lot of lettuce for the fella who can get us to play.
If we only had a lousy little crap, we could be a millionaire.
Oh the good old reliable Nathan, Nathan, Nathan, Nathan Detroit,
If the size of your bundle you want to increase,
I'll arrange that you go broke in quiet and peace,
In a hideout provided by Nathan, where there are no neighbors to squawk,
It's the oldest established permanent floating crap game in New Yawk.
Where's the action? Where's the game?
Gotta have the game or we'll die from shame.
It's the oldest established permanent floating crap game in New York."

Of course.

IF THE SIZE OF YOUR BUNDLE YOU WANT TO INCREASE/I'LL ARRANGE THAT YOU GO BROKE IN QUIET AND PEACE.

So Barack Obama!

Slick, fast talking -- and accommodating.

Posted by: buford on March 9, 2007 at 4:40 AM | PERMALINK

Yawn...

Posted by: Kenji on March 9, 2007 at 4:51 AM | PERMALINK

Headline in today's USA Today Online:

GINGRICH ADMITS EXTRAMARITAL AFFAIR

Damn those scandal-mongering newspapers!

Posted by: junior on March 9, 2007 at 4:52 AM | PERMALINK

"phony source of batshit crazy “knowledge” called Conservapedia"

No--you're wrong there--it's an authentic source of batshit crazy “knowledge” . . .

Posted by: rea on March 9, 2007 at 6:47 AM | PERMALINK

Yesterday's Washington Post editoral give yet again the reason why the national press has become worthless.

I think this bit from Editor and Publisher is interesting reading and why the press is last people you want to provide a sheild law too.

Lying no big deal, the truth no big deal.

Posted by: Cheryl on March 9, 2007 at 7:56 AM | PERMALINK

See that several have mentioned that Hillary lived in Arkansas for several years and that she is married to a Southerner. It's not as though she retained the same dialect coach that New York City born Kyra Sedgwick used for her "drawl" in "The Closer". Great show, but lousy drawl.

As to that "Hail Mary" which DoD wants to use in Iraq, perhaps that is why Doug Flutie has been activated as a Brig General.

Posted by: thethirdPaul on March 9, 2007 at 8:06 AM | PERMALINK

Check out Dana Millbank's latest Hillary as Hallmark-greetings-writer flap at WaPo.com. I'm sorry, but a politician using platitudes is 'news' worthy ?

Posted by: arpeggio on March 9, 2007 at 9:41 AM | PERMALINK

And she's married to a native Southerner. That can affect one's accent in addition to living in Arkansas many years...trust me on this...foh true.
Posted by: Apollo 13

Wake me up when she rivals Krya Sedwick, Patty Duke, Blithe Danner, Randy Quaid (the horrendous 'The Big Easy - yech) or the Current Resident of 1600 for 'worst pretend Southern accent'.

I hear myself in recordings and think: 'Who is that hick and why is following me around?' I'd lost my original accent in SoCal for a sort of proto-Valleyspeak but Dallas, Shreveport and Alexandria (LA not VA) all make for what I now term 'Trans Sabine with Red River variant'.

Posted by: MsNThrope on March 9, 2007 at 10:15 AM | PERMALINK

Bless you for doing this Kevein _ PLEASEEEE - please, please, please - do this each week. You and the Daily Howler I think are the two most important blogs on the web and TOGETHER maybe you guys can help keep 2008 from being a repeat of 2000....After that election, I had hopes that people would wake up and ralize what happened - but obviously many still have no clue just how ridiculous our dialogue can (and alread is) be...Please continue Y'AWLS MIGHTy FINE REPORTIN', YA HEAR?!!! (The Hillary drawl has already set records for stupind people repeating bull, its amazing how many Dem commentors on Kos and my DD are buying into it tooo - it isnt just the MSM that doesnt seem to have a clue)

Posted by: DEMS08 on March 9, 2007 at 10:17 AM | PERMALINK

Unbelievable!

I am utterly astounded by the double-speak, the double standards and the outrageously hypocritical stance taken by you fawning, pathetic liberals.

The man broke the law. How Barack Hussein Obama is not sitting in jail right now for FAILING to pay fines assessed in a legal manner. If this is not a blatant and bald-faced disregard for the rule of law, I do not know what is:

Clippinger said her records show that Obama received the tickets between Oct. 5, 1988, and Jan. 12, 1990, for violations including parking in a resident-only area, blocking a bus stop, and failing to put money in meters.

The Dumbocrat Party nominates a man who thinks nothing of blocking bus stops and giving a municipality the finger? Stop the madness, liberals. Why you insist on nominating criminals who have no regard for the rule of law is beyond me.

And you wonder why you can only win elections with lies and malfeasance.

Posted by: Norman Rogers on March 9, 2007 at 10:18 AM | PERMALINK

My apologies--

This sentence:

How Barack Hussein Obama is not sitting in jail right now for FAILING to pay fines assessed in a legal manner.

Should read:

How Barack Hussein Obama is not sitting in jail right now for FAILING to pay fines assessed in a legal manner is beyond my ability to contemplate.

My indignation and my shock caused my heart to palpitate (relax, I am fine. Please do not call me an ambulance). This caused a brief shortness of breath and I fell off of my leather chair in the study and, luckily, my good shoulder broke my fall. This is why I surround myself with small floor pillows and wear elbow pads and knee pads during the day. One cannot take chances in this modern age--the Internet is full of shocking and terrifying facts, such as how a Presidential Candidate can just break the law in his youth and not be held accountable for it. These things tend to overwhelm my sensitivities and cause me to have brief episodes.

Again, I am well. Thank you for your concern for my well-being, but I am quite alright.

Posted by: Norman Rogers on March 9, 2007 at 10:32 AM | PERMALINK

Rick Mick, please come home and save us from the scathing rebuttal from Norman. Only you can withstand his erudite comments, his cutting edge knowledge and rapier wit. If only you will put Norm in his place, you may hold all night critiques on the music scene, once again.

Posted by: thethirdPaul on March 9, 2007 at 10:39 AM | PERMALINK

Wow, Normy Rogers, long time no see!

Can't you make it even longer?

Posted by: Dr. Morpheus on March 9, 2007 at 11:09 AM | PERMALINK

See that several have mentioned that Hillary lived in Arkansas for several years and that she is married to a Southerner.

More than several -- 17 years total. And her marriage to Southerner Bill Clinton has been going on for about 30 years at present. Frankly, it would be beyond belief if she hadn't picked up some Southern accent and colloquialisms in all that time. Hell, I was using "y'all" after only a few months of dating a girl from Virginia.

Posted by: Stefan on March 9, 2007 at 11:24 AM | PERMALINK

Where has rmck1 gone? He was a big time proponent of comments moderation, but when it was instituted he left.

Posted by: Brojo on March 9, 2007 at 11:28 AM | PERMALINK

Blythe Danner is not all that blithe, when you think about it.

I'm always suspicious of people who completely change their accents based on where they move as adults (not that I'm accusing Ms. Clinton of this). We mostly speak the way people speak where we learned to speak, and while we can later acquire overlays of pronunciation based on the local thang, it's kind of fake to overdo it. I have an acquaintance who has completely revamped her accent several times after moves; she's gone from upper Midwest to Tidewater to Brooklyn. She sounds like a poser, and not a particularly talented one.

Regionalisms and colloquialisms are cool, though. We don't have enough of 'em left, and I think we should pick 'em up and trade them like Cracker Jack toys.

Posted by: shortstop on March 9, 2007 at 11:34 AM | PERMALINK

Stormin' Norman: How Barack Hussein Obama is not sitting in jail right now for FAILING to pay fines assessed in a legal manner is beyond my ability to contemplate.

Oh, get off it. People don't go to jail for parking tickets. We have a president who took cocaine and drank too much in his youth. Obama is clean compared to that.

Posted by: MatthewRMarler on March 9, 2007 at 11:41 AM | PERMALINK

I adopt different accents because I find them amusing and sometimes they bother people. I now say idear, and it really bothers some people. Warsh also seems to bother people.

Posted by: Brojo on March 9, 2007 at 11:42 AM | PERMALINK

We have a president who took cocaine and drank too much in his youth. Obama is clean compared to that.

Didn't Obama admit to using cocaine?!?

Next idiot, please. I have some pillows that need to be rearranged.

Posted by: Norman Rogers on March 9, 2007 at 11:42 AM | PERMALINK

I saw a clip of GWB speaking when he was in his 30s. The stark contrast in his entire delivery, including his accent, really jumped out. It occured to me that he had already spent many years in Texas by that time.

So, when exactly did the big change occur?

Posted by: jackohearts on March 9, 2007 at 11:50 AM | PERMALINK

OK, when I misread this line:

I saw a clip of GWB speaking when he was in his 30s.

I read it initially as:

I saw a clip of GWB SPANKING when he was in his 30s.

The resulting fall out of my chair has, apparently, fractured my rib. Can't breathe. Help.

Little help here.

Breathing difficult. Ow.

Posted by: Norman Rogers on March 9, 2007 at 11:55 AM | PERMALINK

I do believe that Bush used cocaine and alcohol for longer than Obama's been alive.

Let's see, Bush is 60 and Obama's 46. That means Bush was 14 when Obama was born. Probably was sloshed on Poppa's single malt on a regular basis by that age.

Not that it would matter to a mind slave like you.

Posted by: Dr. Morpheus on March 9, 2007 at 12:02 PM | PERMALINK

>>I have an acquaintance who has completely revamped her accent several times after moves; she's gone from upper Midwest to Tidewater to Brooklyn. She sounds like a poser, and not a particularly talented one. - Shortstop

I'm helpless here. I'm essentially a linguistic sponge - I begin to acquire the local accent - indeed the accents of anyone I spend a lot of time with which often got me into a world of hurt when my dearest friend was Greek.

It's not posing. Honestly.

But, yeah, I know the type you're talking about. And I'll apologize to Ms. Danner for misspelling her name as soon as she knocks off thinking she can 'do' Southern accents - ever see 'The Great Santini'? My Gawd.

Posted by: MsNThrope on March 9, 2007 at 12:06 PM | PERMALINK

I do believe that Bush used cocaine and alcohol for longer than Obama's been alive.

Let's see--you have no evidence whatsoever, other than easily impeached hearsay, to prove that our great President used illegal drugs. You have no facts, you have nothing. What do you have against a man who admitted he has a drinking problem? I guess you'd apply the same standards to Teddy Kennedy, right? A man who admitted that he had a drinking problem? Maybe your standard would apply to the young Rep. Patrick Kennedy?

Hussein Obama admitted publicly to using illegal drugs. So did Patrick Kennedy.

President George W Bush? No, sorry. I guess that means what to you?

What does a "mind slave" do when confronted with such nonsense? Oh, that's right--he turns a blind eye to the excruciating pain caused by a broken rib to slay your argument and he does it all by typing one-handed while trying to breathe, despite the pain.

I can defeat all of you liberals one handed, while severely injured, and I can do it all damned day long.

NEXT idiot, please.

Posted by: Norman Rogers on March 9, 2007 at 12:11 PM | PERMALINK

A colloquialism I use unconsciously is howdy.

Posted by: Brojo on March 9, 2007 at 12:13 PM | PERMALINK

Norman Rogers: President George W Bush? No, sorry. I guess that means what to you?

It means he lied.

Posted by: Google_This on March 9, 2007 at 12:16 PM | PERMALINK

A colloquialism that I use unconsciously is get the hell out of my way, you sonofabitch.

Posted by: Norman Rogers on March 9, 2007 at 12:17 PM | PERMALINK

mhr: Clinton buddy Rick Kaplan has been appointed to head CBS News- anyone there worried about possible liberal bias (more) sneaking into Katie Couric's news casts?

No.

Posted by: Google_This on March 9, 2007 at 12:18 PM | PERMALINK

I would suggest that all these stories fall under the category of one statement."WATCH THE MONKEY".

All the smoke and mirrors are about one thing and on thing only. That's to confuse the real issues of the complete ineptitude of the republicans. And to not have relavant discussion of how to fix the vexing problems that we are faced with.

Posted by: Gandalf on March 9, 2007 at 12:19 PM | PERMALINK

It means he lied.

Ah, yes. Now prove that he did.

NEXT idiot, if you please. I'm getting dizzy because I can't stop laughing at how foolish all of you are. This causes me immense pain, I have to hold my breath to type.

And yet, I'm STILL winning. How enormous is that?

Posted by: Norman Rogers on March 9, 2007 at 12:20 PM | PERMALINK

Brojo: Random linguistic bothering is a noble cause. I said "KY-yoat" instead of "ky-YOAT-ee" to a friend yesterday partly to see if it'd get a rise out of him. It did.*

MsNThrope: Wasn't looking to randomly bother you, however. That's funny about the sponging. I sometimes unconsciously pick up people's physical quirks--hand motions, hair twisting, knee jiggling and so on--that way.

*OT rant: Like we don't have enough problems with snow, ice, sleet, rain and bad scheduling at O'Hare. Now we need coyotes on the runways, too.

Posted by: shortstop on March 9, 2007 at 12:23 PM | PERMALINK

That's funny about the sponging.

Did someone say sponging? I've got a loofah handy....

Posted by: Bill O'Reilly on March 9, 2007 at 12:50 PM | PERMALINK

(frantically shoving O'Reilly away)

Security, please! SECURITY!

Posted by: shortstop on March 9, 2007 at 12:57 PM | PERMALINK

You've left out the "Gore's Utility Bill" and "Gore/Airport Security" imbroglios.

Posted by: Dave on March 9, 2007 at 1:14 PM | PERMALINK

How about the Bill Richardson nudge, nudge, wink, wink 'problem'?

You know, the one people keep mentioning but only seem to come up with one article where his Lt. Gov. saying he pokes people he's sitting next to?

That should make the list.

Posted by: not the senator on March 9, 2007 at 2:06 PM | PERMALINK

Gosh, I'd like to see a list of comparable Republican presidential candidate flaps. I mean there must be just as many of those, right?

Posted by: The Fool on March 9, 2007 at 2:53 PM | PERMALINK

You did miss the Obama Hogs the Spotlight Flap. The LA Times recently alleged that, in the part of his autobiography where he recounts getting rid of asbestos in a Chicago housing project, Obama ignored both the contributions of a local Chicago investigative magazine and a local activist. The Times does not mention that, in its expose, the magazine never mentioned the activist either. The Times also quoted several people criticizing Obama's book, including Cong. Bobby Rush (D-Sour Grapes), who have admitted they never read it.

Posted by: down goes frazier on March 9, 2007 at 5:42 PM | PERMALINK

Obama's purchase of a small piece of property from a lobbyist (even though he overpaid for it). Or is this too long ago?

Posted by: Mike on March 9, 2007 at 6:15 PM | PERMALINK

Norman Rogers, you're pathetic.

Posted by: DNS on March 9, 2007 at 8:21 PM | PERMALINK

Is Joe Biden still running? Does the faulty transcript of his "clean" remarks count?

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