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April 3, 2007
By: Kevin Drum

IN THE SANDBOX....Note to conservatives: if you decide to just ignore John McCain's laughable trip to Baghdad, I understand. There's really not much you can do except hope for a new presidential scandal to take it mercifully off the front page.

But if you do decide to post about it, do you really think you can get away with pretending that the whole trip went smoothly and the press is merely being unfair in its reporting? And if you do think that, what does it say about your opinion of your readership?

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Their readership are Bushbots. Nuff said.......

Posted by: steve duncan on April 3, 2007 at 1:42 PM | PERMALINK

[Nice try, but you are still banned]

Posted by: Seabiscuit on April 3, 2007 at 1:44 PM | PERMALINK

The more that comes out about that trip, the worse McCain looks. What's most astonishing is the complete disconnect between McCain's comments and his actual experience. Did he really think nobody would notice the bulletproof vest? The helicopters? The massive security? The pre-trip security sweep?

Posted by: PaulB on April 3, 2007 at 1:46 PM | PERMALINK

faith alone will sustain the true believers.

Posted by: cleek on April 3, 2007 at 1:46 PM | PERMALINK

Either Hawkie has a new alias or we have a new troll: That's a significant success story, Kevin."

Actually, it isn't, which is why few media outlets are reporting it that way.

Posted by: PaulB on April 3, 2007 at 1:48 PM | PERMALINK

But if you do decide to post about it, do you really think you can get away with pretending that the whole trip went smoothly

Kevin, what would you consider to be NOT going smoothly? McCain and Graham went to Iraq, walked in the streets unharmed, and came back safely. This is EXACTLY what they said would happen. Can you even give ONE bad thing that happened during the trip or are you all bluster?

Posted by: Al on April 3, 2007 at 1:48 PM | PERMALINK

Their readers, like many on the left, are cocooned in the warm embrace of Republican rhetoric. The soothing drumbeat of "trust us, all is well" is not interrupted by facts - certainly not if you only watch Fox and only read Instapundit.

We on the left have the same issues. The difference is that reality appears to be lefthanded.

Except in physics, of course, but that is only by convention - and we all know how to treat conventional wisdom, eh?

Jake

Posted by: Jake - but not the one on April 3, 2007 at 1:48 PM | PERMALINK

I don't think Apache gunships and Blackhawk troop carriers can keep up the Palosi's plane, which I don't think can carry a full company of armed troops, at least not and leave room for the purchases.

Posted by: Ron Byers on April 3, 2007 at 1:48 PM | PERMALINK

Is your position that there was no slant at all to the article Reynolds is referring to?

Posted by: mako on April 3, 2007 at 1:48 PM | PERMALINK

For many residents of Planet Starboard: if Dick Cheney says "things are going quite well".....it must be true. And any description otherwise must....why, it must be the liberal media's fault.

This may be John McCain's "Dukakis-in-the-tank" moment. Sad.

Posted by: Ed Tracey on April 3, 2007 at 1:50 PM | PERMALINK

Just like summer stroll in Indiana. After Indiana is cleared of any potential threats, traffic is redirected away from the area, snipers are placed in rooftop positions, 100 armed guards are surrounding the potential targets and attack helicopters are circling the area to spot problems and intimidate.
Gosh, I'm shocked, SHOCKED there were no attempted attacks.

Posted by: bill on April 3, 2007 at 1:51 PM | PERMALINK

"Is your position that there was no slant at all to the article Reynolds is referring to?"

If there is, neither you nor Reynolds has identified it. Feel free to make the case.

Posted by: PaulB on April 3, 2007 at 1:51 PM | PERMALINK

The walk around Baghdad was McCain's Dukakis moment. Nobody will ever be able to look at him again without snickering.

Posted by: Ron Byers on April 3, 2007 at 1:52 PM | PERMALINK

"...what does it say about your opinion of your readership?"

That it is accurate.

Ba-dum-dum.

Posted by: jefff on April 3, 2007 at 1:55 PM | PERMALINK

McCain's boast was most obviously that the AVERAGE UNARMED Iraqi or other non-combatant could stroll certain neighborhoods mostly free from threat of harm. Now, since the AVERAGE UNARMED person in those categories would not have the escort and firepower and protection McCain possessed it is a boast as yet untested. Personally I'd like to see the entire Republican Congressional membership plus everyone on the White House payroll give it a try. Sans McCain's phalanx. Soon. Any trolls out there want to bet on a 100% survival rate?

Posted by: steve duncan on April 3, 2007 at 1:56 PM | PERMALINK

Didn't Saddam pull this same move near the end of his reign? I thought I saw some footage of him walking the streets and shaking hands while US tanks were zipping along Baghdad streets. We already knew we had more than a few Baghdad Bobs spouting lies about the war now we have mini-Saddams 'showing' us how safe the streets are. Nice.

Posted by: jg on April 3, 2007 at 1:58 PM | PERMALINK

"McCain's boast was most obviously that the AVERAGE UNARMED Iraqi or other non-combatant could stroll certain neighborhoods mostly free from threat of harm."

It's even worse than that -- he explicitly boasted that the average non-Iraqi (i.e., him, various news media representatives, tourists, etc.) could stroll certain neighborhoods unimpeded and unharmed. That's an even bigger disconnection from reality.

Posted by: PaulB on April 3, 2007 at 1:59 PM | PERMALINK

steve duncan,
Care to take that statement back? Here is what McCain said to Bill Bennett on his radio show:

"There are neighborhoods in Baghdad where you and I could walk through those neighborhoods today."

I guess we didn't realize that he meant walk through in the middle of a bubble created by the U.S. Army.

Posted by: DR on April 3, 2007 at 2:04 PM | PERMALINK

Can you even give ONE bad thing that happened during the trip or are you all bluster?

How about McCain looking like a complete jackass, oh wait, that's a GOOD thing. Never mind.

Posted by: DP on April 3, 2007 at 2:07 PM | PERMALINK

I would like to see an end to these god-damned congressional juggernauts to the war zone.

They cost money, they distract from the (oatensible) goals of fulfilling the mission (last I checked, that was "to win" but I digress) and they are a gigantic pain in the ass. They are only exercises in vanity.

Potentates are a pain in the ass when they visit bases stateside. I can only imagine how troops at war perceive them. If we could have harnessed the energy of the eye rolling that certainly occurred when word that the doddering old fool and his entourage would be dropping in for a bit of shopping.

Posted by: Blue Girl, Red State (aka G.C.) on April 3, 2007 at 2:08 PM | PERMALINK

Can you even give ONE bad thing that happened during the trip or are you all bluster?

Well, let's see. Three US soldiers were killed in Al Anbar and a Brit was killed in Basra. I doubt that any of them had a full company, armored humvees, snipers and helicopters devoted to keeping them safe, as the Honorable Sen. McCain did.

Or don't you count dead American soldiers as a bad thing? Eh, Al? Take your bluster and eat it, pal.

Posted by: tomeck on April 3, 2007 at 2:08 PM | PERMALINK

'Can you even give ONE bad thing that happened during the trip or are you all bluster?'

Other than a fraud being perpetrated by a presidential candidate?

Posted by: jg on April 3, 2007 at 2:09 PM | PERMALINK

Here's a bad thing a Repubican should be able to "get" - it cost a hell of a lot of money and the taxpayers foot the bill.

Posted by: Blue Girl, Red State (aka G.C.) on April 3, 2007 at 2:12 PM | PERMALINK

It don't matter. Right wing authoritarian followers follow the right wing authority. End of story. End of republic.

Posted by: The Fool on April 3, 2007 at 2:13 PM | PERMALINK

Most conservatives don't even like McCain.

Posted by: Frank J. on April 3, 2007 at 2:14 PM | PERMALINK

Peter: Oh yeah? You and what army?

Diplomat: The U.S. Army.

Peter: That's a good army.

Posted by: Peter Griffin on April 3, 2007 at 2:16 PM | PERMALINK

McCain will do ANYTHING to still appear relevant to GOP primary voters next year. This pathetic photo-op is just the latest example. Neither Giuliani nor Romney have a seeming legitimate reason to do a stroll through Baghdad. And since McCain has made embracing Bush's War THE centerpiece of his presidential campaign, he will grasp at any straw to make it appear that all is going well.

Posted by: Strannix on April 3, 2007 at 2:21 PM | PERMALINK

this oughta cheer conservatives up -- Mark Garagos, celebrity attorney to the sleaziest of California celebrities, is defending San Diego defense contractor Brent Wilkes against federal bribery and corruption charges.

Wilkes is the lynchpin in the tangled web linking Tom DeLay, former Congressman and current federal inmate Randy "Duke" Cunningham, the White House, and former CIA officials Kyle "Dusty" Foggo anf Porto Goss.

Posted by: Donald from Hawaii on April 3, 2007 at 2:26 PM | PERMALINK

mako: So, reporting facts is slanted. Do you deny that the market has been the target of bombs?

Do you deny that Graham makes a six-figure salary?

Do you deny that Iraqi deaths are higher than last month?

Your problem is that the reporter provided context for the statements and the actions, and that context is inconvenient for conservatives. If reporters only transcribe what the politicians say, they are nothing more than mouth pieces for the political message, and nobody wants that. Their job is to report the facts, which include inconvenient and contradicting facts.

Don't blame them for the stupid things Republicans do and say.

Posted by: Tx Bubba on April 3, 2007 at 2:27 PM | PERMALINK

"Porter" Goss -- my bad.

Posted by: Donald from Hawaii on April 3, 2007 at 2:28 PM | PERMALINK

Heh, this coming from a man who reported on an op-ed column by a teacher & presented it as fact & then who refused to update when he was pointed to the actual curriculum requirements (that were the opposite of what the op-ed column stated) on the state education web page.

What does that say about you, Kevin? Other than you're patently dishonest?

Posted by: RW on April 3, 2007 at 2:31 PM | PERMALINK

Seabiscuit: "A senator walked around in Baghdad, with fewer soldiers guarding him than Pelosi wants passengers on her private military jet."

Two desperate neocon canards in only one sentence -- impressive.

Posted by: Donald from Hawaii on April 3, 2007 at 2:35 PM | PERMALINK

Sea Biscuit is right,I live in Alaska,Went to work came home,Waited for the kids to come home from school,And never once was I shot at by a sniper,or had a IED go off by my car.Yes we are safer,But then I had the same result When Clinton was President Only I didn't owe so much Debt then.

Posted by: john john on April 3, 2007 at 2:45 PM | PERMALINK

RW: "Heh, this coming from a man who reported on an op-ed column by a teacher & presented it as fact & then who refused to update when he was pointed to the actual curriculum requirements (that were the opposite of what the op-ed column stated) on the state education web page."

And exactly how is this personal attack on Kevin relevant to the subject at hand, which is the neocons' pathetic disingenuousness about Sen. McCain's junket to Baghdad for a well-guarded stroll?

Posted by: Donald from Hawaii on April 3, 2007 at 2:47 PM | PERMALINK

'Heh, this coming from a man who reported on an op-ed column by a teacher & presented it as fact & then who refused to update when he was pointed to the actual curriculum requirements (that were the opposite of what the op-ed column stated) on the state education web page.

What does that say about you, Kevin? Other than you're patently dishonest?'

Any reason at all to be dismissive. That's all the right wingnut needs. Judge that book by its cover.

Posted by: jg on April 3, 2007 at 2:48 PM | PERMALINK

As Atrios might say: the lizard brain can do anything it wants. It is unconstrained by reality or truth.

Posted by: John on April 3, 2007 at 2:50 PM | PERMALINK

And exactly how is this personal attack on Kevin relevant to the subject at hand

The subject at hand is Kevin's personal attack on Glenn, whose post was about the Agence France-Press report on the trip, not about the trip itself. Often Kevin's posts are interesting, but this one disingenuously ignores both Glenn's plain meaning and the blatant slant of the AFP story. One hopes Kevin can still tell the difference between straight and slanted reporting.

Posted by: Shelby on April 3, 2007 at 2:55 PM | PERMALINK
Posted by: PaulB on April 3, 2007 at 1:46 PM :The more that comes out about that trip, the worse McCain looks. What's most astonishing is the complete disconnect between McCain's comments and his actual experience. Did he really think nobody would notice the bulletproof vest? The helicopters? The massive security? The pre-trip security sweep?
Maybe McCAIN didn't notice the bulletproof vest, helicopters, massive security, and pre-trip security sweep.

Posted by: g.kerby on April 3, 2007 at 2:55 PM | PERMALINK

'The subject at hand is Kevin's personal attack on Glenn'

The subject is instagoof's post that he can easily lie to his readers and they won't care to find out the truth, they just believe him. Maybe that's what you mean by slanted reporting. Project much?

Posted by: jg on April 3, 2007 at 2:58 PM | PERMALINK

Baghdad John: "There are no insurgent infidels in Baghdad! Never!"

Posted by: Hemlock for Gadflies on April 3, 2007 at 3:01 PM | PERMALINK

To be fair to McCain, this business of stopping all traffic and surrounding the dignitary with masses of armed guards is SOP whenever the chimp comes to a fundraiser here in Missouri. I've been stuck in traffic for long periods of time while the presidential motorcade (with Bush himself riding in a heavily armored limo) passed on I-170 on its way to the airport.

Maybe McCain thinks he's already been elected or something.

Posted by: jimBOB on April 3, 2007 at 3:04 PM | PERMALINK

Al: "Can you even give ONE bad thing that happened during the trip or are you all bluster?"

Yes, I can "give" one bad thing: you continued to post.

Posted by: Kenji on April 3, 2007 at 3:06 PM | PERMALINK

As I stated earlier, the dog that didn't bark is McCain's campaign revival. This trip won't revive his campaign and all it will do is force more and more members of the media to clear their throats and politely point out that McCain's campaign won't survive a primary race whereby a candidate who opposes him shows the footage of the visit to Baghdad and then those unhinged pictures of McCain lurching about in the well of the Senate, calling out for mercy from his tormentors, who will surely question why he approached Tom Daschle and John Kerry about becoming a Democrat.

Rudy Guiliani would never use our troops as props. More than enough real Americans support him and they know that he'll get tough with the Mullahs and straighten this whole Iraq thing out like he straightened out New York City.

Posted by: Norman Rogers on April 3, 2007 at 3:20 PM | PERMALINK

General Keane is on Up to Date saying the foray to the marketplace is a positive sign - they were able to leave the Green Zone. (That very day, remember, two unexploded suicide vests were found inside the Green Zone...)

Posted by: Blue Girl, Red State (aka G.C.) on April 3, 2007 at 3:33 PM | PERMALINK

"Rudy Guiliani would never use our troops as props."

You might ask a New York City Prop--excuse me, Firefighter--if that is true . . .

Posted by: rea on April 3, 2007 at 3:39 PM | PERMALINK

Hey, is there any truth to a report of an attack at the market after the circus left? I haven't seen anything to confirm that. But if true it may qualify as "something bad that happened". Then again it depends on who you are.

Posted by: tk on April 3, 2007 at 3:46 PM | PERMALINK

So, 4 years after we invaded in a cakewalk, just being able to leave the green zone is a positive sign. C'mon general, you're ignoring too many other good signs. Over 130,000 Americans WEREN'T killed in Iraq today. Over 25,000,000 Iraqis WEREN'T killed in Iraq today. Saddam is still dead. How much good news can we take?

Posted by: tomeck on April 3, 2007 at 3:48 PM | PERMALINK
General Keane is on Up to Date saying the foray to the marketplace is a positive sign - they were able to leave the Green Zone.

Um, we're supposed to be impressed that a few VIPs with a company-sized security force with air support is able to move around outside of (but within a handful of miles of) the Green Zone?

If that's the best that can be done to find a "good sign", I think it pretty much speaks for itself.

Posted by: cmdicely on April 3, 2007 at 3:51 PM | PERMALINK

McCain and Guiliani can drop out of the race any time now. According to the Washington Times and ABC's Good Morning America, Mitt Romney has Presidential Hair

"It's kind of funny. I don't think of it that way, I must admit," he said. "But I'll do my best to comb it straight tomorrow."

Posted by: Qwerty on April 3, 2007 at 3:52 PM | PERMALINK

You might ask a New York City Prop--excuse me, Firefighter--if that is true . . .

Now, I personally have watched at least thirty episodes of the hit show Rescue Me and I will tell you that if someone tried to use the NYFD as a prop, they would be bitch-slapped and rolled in the gutter like a toasted wino.

The animus towards Rudy is not directed at what he did; it's directed at the fact that he was successful in the ultimate "player-hating" city, New York. Rudy accomplished great things, took on the unions, and put mobsters in jail. The fact that he has enemies means that all he has managed to do is thumb his nose at the establishment and rock the boat.

Ask yourself this--is there anyone tougher than Rudy? Is there anyone in the race who took on the mob and kicked the mob squarely in the nuts and ran over the mob's elderly grandmother and then kicked the mob's dog and then set fire to the walk-up where the mob stashed it's girlfriend? Because Rudy did all of those things and more in the literal sense. The fact that there are going to be people in prison for life means Rudy did his job and he did it well.

Your silence confirms it. In any case, I didn't think so.

Posted by: Norman Rogers on April 3, 2007 at 3:52 PM | PERMALINK

'Can you even give ONE bad thing that happened during the trip or are you all bluster?'

Six US soldiers died while troop strength was diverted from other areas in Baghdad during McCain's photo op at the bazaar.

Posted by: Disputo on April 3, 2007 at 3:57 PM | PERMALINK

Ask yourself this--is there anyone tougher than Rudy?

Nor do any of the candidates look better in a dress, with the possible exception of Kucinich.

Posted by: Disputo on April 3, 2007 at 4:01 PM | PERMALINK

Nor do any of the candidates look better in a dress, with the possible exception of Kucinich.

I would tend to agree--Rudy looks better in a dress than Hillary!

Bwah hah hah hah hah hah hah hah hah!

Posted by: Norman Rogers on April 3, 2007 at 4:03 PM | PERMALINK

General Keane is on Up to Date saying the foray to the marketplace is a positive sign - they were able to leave the Green Zone.

He must be making the rounds today pushing the TPs. On Talk of the Nation Gen Keane explained that it was a good sign that McCain could walk instead of having to fly over the bazaar....

Posted by: Disputo on April 3, 2007 at 4:05 PM | PERMALINK

Posted by: Norman Rogers on April 3, 2007: I would tend to agree--Rudy looks better in a dress than Hillary!

Fortunately, there are places where "men" with your "preferences" are able to marry, or at least form civil unions. Congrats for being brave enough to step out of the closet!

Posted by: g.kerby on April 3, 2007 at 4:09 PM | PERMALINK

The subject is instagoof's post that he can easily lie to his readers and they won't care to find out the truth, they just believe him.

Sorta like what I noted, which goes on here. Then again, many of Kevin's readers STILL thought that Bill Burkett was the truth teller, so perhaps his readers aren't even up to speed with someone who refuses to update posts that don't fit what is necessary. BTW, your talking points are out of kilter with the regulars. Might wanna update (maybe get on the towhall mailing list? They do like their lockstep thinking, after all).

Posted by: RW on April 3, 2007 at 4:11 PM | PERMALINK

Whoops, I missed where you were one of the ones attempting to say that dismissing someone was the err....right before you did it.

Really, sign up for the list. They'll tell you what to say & when not to, so you don't have to think much.

Posted by: RW on April 3, 2007 at 4:13 PM | PERMALINK

Ask yourself this--is there anyone tougher than Rudy? Is there anyone in the race who took on the mob and kicked the mob squarely in the nuts and ran over the mob's elderly grandmother and then kicked the mob's dog and then set fire to the walk-up where the mob stashed it's girlfriend? Because Rudy did all of those things and more in the literal sense. The fact that there are going to be people in prison for life means Rudy did his job and he did it well.

Was it good for you?

Posted by: Rosy Palmer on April 3, 2007 at 4:21 PM | PERMALINK

Norman Rogers: "Rudy Guiliani would never use our troops as props. More than enough real Americans support him and they know that he'll get tough with the Mullahs and straighten this whole Iraq thing out like he straightened out New York City."

We'll see just how tough the Manhattan Mussolini is when he's called to the docket as a witness in the trial of his good friend Bernie Kerik, the best New York Police Commissioner dirty money could buy.

Posted by: Donald from Hawaii on April 3, 2007 at 4:27 PM | PERMALINK

Norman Rogers: "Bwah hah hah hah hah hah hah hah hah!"

I see that you didn't take your meds again. Would you like us to call your mother and tell her to bring them to you down in her basement?

Posted by: Donald from Hawaii on April 3, 2007 at 4:31 PM | PERMALINK

OT:

Why look! In my mailbox! A copy of Blood-Horse magazine. How ever did that get there?

Thank you, Paul.

The Oracle of Lafayette.

Posted by: MsNThrope on April 3, 2007 at 4:36 PM | PERMALINK

RW wrote: "Really, sign up for the list. They'll tell you what to say & when not to, so you don't have to think much."

Just like your posts here, dear? No, thanks; I prefer to stay grounded in reality.

Do feel free to come back when you've got something relevant to say, won't you? We can hardly wait.

Posted by: PaulB on April 3, 2007 at 4:38 PM | PERMALINK

"Rudy Guiliani would never use our troops as props."

Apparently the writer of that silly statement is unaware of the deep enmity that the FDNY has toward Rudy for doing exactly that. Republiscum have made a cottage industry of using the military in general as a prop. There's every reason to believe that Rudy would do it, and do it up New York style.

Posted by: John on April 3, 2007 at 4:41 PM | PERMALINK

do it up New York style.

I prefer thin crust to thick crust, though I keep quiet about that here in Chicago.

Posted by: Disputo on April 3, 2007 at 4:44 PM | PERMALINK

Really, sign up for the list. They'll tell you what to say & when not to, so you don't have to think much

RW...Got Projection?

Posted by: ckelly on April 3, 2007 at 4:47 PM | PERMALINK

Republiscum have made a cottage industry of using the military in general as a prop.

When you use terms and rhetoric like this, it only makes good Americans tsk tsk and shake their head.

Where's the evidence that Rudy wouldn't be a good president? All you people have are regurgitated half-truths and the usual unhinged commentary. It's as if most of you sit in a bubble, reflexively hammering out your hate speech and your lazy catchphrases, unaware that the country has moved on and it looking for a strong leader. Too bad the Democrats have no strong leaders.

Posted by: Norman Rogers on April 3, 2007 at 4:50 PM | PERMALINK

tk: Hey, is there any truth to a report of an attack at the market after the circus left? I haven't seen anything to confirm that.

By way of Juan Cole's Informed Comment
The latest massacre of Iraqi children came as 21 Shia market workers were ambushed, bound and shot dead north of the capital.

The victims came from the Baghdad market visited the previous day by John McCain, the US presidential candidate, who said that an American security plan in the capital was starting to show signs of progress.

Truck bomb kills Iraqi schoolchildren

It's possible this massacre would have taken place whether or not McCain had made a point of saying that his presence in the market proved that the U.S. was "winning" the Iraqi Civil War. On the other hand, his Surge Promoting Parade might have provoked this retaliation by the insurgents. Either way, it rather undercuts McCain's point.

Posted by: cowalker on April 3, 2007 at 5:22 PM | PERMALINK

Where's the evidence that Rudy wouldn't be a good president?

A self-important, non-compromiser, who views the law as an impediment to good governance instead of as the framework on which our society is built? We've already done that for six years...and it's failed. Present a candidate who knows how to make deals, that can lead the opposition instead of antagonizes it, and that actively contributes to the national discussion rather than behaves like, well, a bunch of blog commenters, then you will have a candidate that actually concerns me, not an adulterous bozo who won't survive the primaries.

Posted by: yocoolz on April 3, 2007 at 5:48 PM | PERMALINK

Where's the evidence that Rudy wouldn't be a good president?

Let’s start with his recommendation of Bernard Bailey Kerik for head of homeland security. An indication of the kind of appointments Giuliani would make? Absolutly.

Posted by: antiphone on April 3, 2007 at 5:58 PM | PERMALINK

Shelby: The subject at hand is Kevin's personal attack on Glenn, whose post was about the Agence France-Press report on the trip, not about the trip itself. Often Kevin's posts are interesting, but this one disingenuously ignores both Glenn's plain meaning and the blatant slant of the AFP story. One hopes Kevin can still tell the difference between straight and slanted reporting.

Read Kevin's earlier post at 2:23 AM entitled, MEN ON THE STREET," and Sunday's Apr. 1 post, "JOHN McCAIN'S SUNDAY PROMENDADE," then get back to us on "slanted" reporting and disingenuous commentary. OK? Kevin is way ahead of Glenn on McCain's staged photo op because Kevin has read more than one report. Perhaps Glenn has read other reports as well before selecting Sunday's AFP article to quote this Tuesday morning... but that would mean Glenn isn't telling the full truth, wouldn't it? Why did Glenn pick a Sunday report for a Tuesday post? Curious, isn't it? Perhaps Glenn sucks at keeping up with the daily news. Explanation?

Has Glenn updated his post with what the Iraqi merchants had to say about McCain's visit to their market from today in the NYTimes? The AFP article doesn't seem too "slanted" in light of what the Iraqis said in contradiction of McCain's and Mike Pence's version of reality. I just checked and Glenn has posted not a word about it. Explanation? "Then again...."

Posted by: Apollo 13 on April 3, 2007 at 6:13 PM | PERMALINK

Hey, I'm a paleo and I am throughly enjoying watchinf McCain humiliate himself.

I also liked the line from Mike Pence that compared the market to an Indiana farmer's market on a summer's day. Yeah, in Gary maybe.

Posted by: Sean Scallon on April 3, 2007 at 6:22 PM | PERMALINK

Kevin, as a conservativey blogger I have only an entire series of responses: "Trip? What trip? By who? John who? When? To where?"

Posted by: Swanny on April 3, 2007 at 6:25 PM | PERMALINK

to Norman Rogers: Not all the fuddyduddying you can muster can hide the damage you and your choices for "leaders" have done to this country.

Posted by: John on April 3, 2007 at 6:31 PM | PERMALINK

Amen to that, bruddah.

Posted by: Kenji on April 3, 2007 at 6:45 PM | PERMALINK

If the 2008 race was between McCain and Hillary I'd vote for Hillary. McCain is a fake. It's too late for him to suck up to the "RIGHT" people.

Of course that's only my opinion but I'm usually RIGHT not always though.

Posted by: TruthPolitik on April 3, 2007 at 7:26 PM | PERMALINK

Not all the fuddyduddying you can muster can hide the damage you and your choices for "leaders" have done to this country.

Oh, Bah! At least you have something to bitch about now.

Posted by: Norman Rogers on April 3, 2007 at 8:04 PM | PERMALINK

"Oh, Bah! At least you have something to bitch about now."

Pitiful. Truly pathetic. Sad.

Posted by: John on April 3, 2007 at 8:28 PM | PERMALINK

By the way if the conservitives are ignoring McCains trip it's because they're ignoring McCain.

Posted by: TruthPolitik on April 3, 2007 at 8:48 PM | PERMALINK

Bush says Democrats are hurting our troops by delaying funds, Well I say Bush should have thought it all out before he told the whole world that Suddam was dangerous and had weapons of mass destruction, LIE LIE LIE, did we find any WMD'S hell no, all this corrupt current administration of republicans can do is lie their ass off for Bush. Mission Accomplished, my ass, Bush is the biggest fuckup in the history of the US Presidency.

Posted by: Al on April 4, 2007 at 12:37 AM | PERMALINK

Michael Ware, CNN correspondent In Baghdad calls bullshit!! --
"Well, I'd certainly like to bring Senator McCain up to speed, if he ever gives me the opportunity. And if I have any difficulty hearing you right now, Wolf, that's because of the helicopter circling overhead and the gun battle that is blazing just a few blocks down the road. Is Baghdad any safer? Sectarian violence, one particular type of violence, is down. But none of the American generals here on the ground have anything like Senator McCain's confidence.

I mean, Senator McCain's credibility now on Iraq, which has been so solid to this point, has now been left out hanging to dry. To suggest that there's any neighborhood in this city where an American can walk freely is beyond ludicrous. I'd love Senator McCain to tell me where that neighborhood is and he and I can go for a stroll. And to think that General David Petraeus travels this city in an unarmed Humvee?

I mean, in the hour since Senator McCain has said this, I've spoken to some military sources, and there was laughter down the line. I mean, certainly, the general travels in a Humvee.

There are multiple Humvees around it, heavily armed. There are attack helicopters, Predator drones, sniper teams, all sorts of layers of protection. So, no, Senator McCain is way off base on this one."

Posted by: consider wisely always on April 4, 2007 at 5:15 AM | PERMALINK

The type of violence that matters is Sunnis sneaking in suicide bombers and car bombs to kill police and Shia women and children. It also matters that Shiite militias are not taking shotgun vengeance on clueless Sunni males.

Ultimately, what matters is that the elected Baghdad government will stand once Americans leave. I suspect that tipping point has been reached already. Our staying on until March or maybe August of 2008 is mainly serving to diminish the blood bath that will certainly come on our leaving. The Sunni factions have no real armies, only terrorists, and the Baghdad government (without Americans to hold them back) will take care of that threat like Putin pacified Chechnya.

I love John McCain. Even met him once. He isn't going to be our nominee next year, however.

Posted by: mike cook on April 4, 2007 at 11:48 AM | PERMALINK

The truth of the matter is that Sen. McCain said it was safe to walk around outside the Green Zone.

Of course it's safe if you wear a bulletproof vest and have an armed US military escort with helicopter support!

One does not need armed guards where it's "safe"!
The fact that your trolls insist on pretending it's otherwise says a lot about them. None of it good.

Posted by: zak822 on April 4, 2007 at 5:08 PM | PERMALINK

...It also matters that Shiite militias are not taking shotgun vengeance on clueless Sunni males... mike kook at 11:48 AM.
In Tal Afar, in the past week , shite's shot and killed 70 Sunnis.
Ultimately, what matters is that the elected Baghdad government will stand once Americans leave. ...mike kook at 11:48 AM
Do you have a commitment from George W. Bush that Americans will leave? He has set no exit strategy, no war goals, nothing except 'stay the course.' What business is it of the US who the Iraqi people choose for their government?

Posted by: Mike on April 4, 2007 at 5:29 PM | PERMALINK

Retribution for the American's visit?
...... 21 Shia market workers were ambushed, bound and shot dead north of the capital.
The victims came from the Baghdad market visited the previous day by John McCain, the US presidential candidate, who said that an American security plan in the capital was starting to show signs of progress.
Is this retribution for McCain's visit?...
"The good news is that Senator Lindsey Graham got "five rugs for five bucks" at the market over the weekend."

Posted by: Mike on April 4, 2007 at 5:34 PM | PERMALINK




 

 

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