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April 5, 2007
By: Kevin Drum

PRISONER SWAP REVISITED....Did the Bush administration agree to trade Iranian prisoners for British ones? Garance Franke-Ruta points to another piece of evidence suggesting the answer is yes.

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Aiyeee! Negotiating with Pure Evil (TM) terrorists!

Islamofascist-symp traitors! Enemies of Freedom!

What's next? Surrendering London to the French? Slaughtering children and sending their warm guts to Teheran for the baby-killers to feast on?

We must bomb them ALL, before it's too late!

Aiyeee!

Posted by: bleh on April 5, 2007 at 12:59 PM | PERMALINK

Hey, don't judge me too quickly. Ahmadinejad is also sending me a bushel of pistachios. Sucker.

Posted by: George W. Bush on April 5, 2007 at 1:23 PM | PERMALINK

Spin it Trolls! Spin it!

Posted by: R.L. on April 5, 2007 at 1:25 PM | PERMALINK

R.L. - I think they must be waiting for the Maytag repairman, cause the spin cycle ain't operating.

Posted by: Blue Girl, Red State (aka G.C.) on April 5, 2007 at 1:39 PM | PERMALINK

Uh.... Carter shamed America.... uh....

Posted by: Troll, third string on April 5, 2007 at 1:52 PM | PERMALINK

What does the neo-Con New York Sun say?
...It's hard to believe it was strictly a coincidence: On Tuesday Iraq and America freed an Iranian "diplomat" they had been holding, and the next day Iran turned around and announced it would release the 15 royal marines it had been holding hostage...

Posted by: Mike on April 5, 2007 at 1:57 PM | PERMALINK

No, Orwell, the progressive way is to believe everything ANYBODY says over anything a Republican says.

And y'know what? It's not the fault of progressives that the credibility of Republicans has deteriorated to this point.

Posted by: bleh on April 5, 2007 at 2:24 PM | PERMALINK

Yeah, bleh, this is truly (and trolly) their court of last resort: turning every criticism of a failed regime into personal pathology. You can be sure that in March of 1945, there were still some Germans saying, "Why do you hate Hitler so much? Sure, mistakes were made, but it's like an obsession with you! I mean, you like the autobahn, don't you?"

Actually, the analogy is weak: BushCo never built us an autobahn.

Posted by: Kenji on April 5, 2007 at 2:39 PM | PERMALINK

If the Bush administration did that, then I guess attacking Iran is off.

Unless we're trying to put them off their guard, of course.

But Trigger Dick has yet to demonstrate that level of nuance.

Posted by: cld on April 5, 2007 at 2:46 PM | PERMALINK

Never mind the fact that Cheney's funneling money to an Afghan terrorist group against Iran.

Never mind that we didn't bomb a terror group in Northern Iraq because that group was engaged in terror activities against Iran.

War on Terror my ass.

Posted by: Extradite Rumsfeld on April 5, 2007 at 2:49 PM | PERMALINK

Don't forget the group in Southern Iraq that is engaging in terror operations in Iran. The US/UK is backing them as well.

That's three, and those are just the ones we know about.

I still cannot figure out why this information is now getting MSM play.

Posted by: Disputo on April 5, 2007 at 3:00 PM | PERMALINK

Perhaps Cheney convinced Musharraf that if the Iranians get riled up enough they'll strike against the Baluchis inside Pakistan, smashing them up on their own dime, then the Paki army can drive them out and look like local heroes.

Honestly, I'd bet he did.

But if the Iranians don't do that, then what? They've established a new organized local power in Baluchistan, which Islamabad could not tolerate.

Same thing on the Afghan border. Fueling this group only fuels the area-wide chaos. As long as the chaos keeps going no resolution can occur and all their resources get burned up, until all they have left is their one atom bomb.

So I don't think the idea is to attack Iran, I think the idea is to keep small pressure going on sensitive points to drive the whole area into protracted chaos where someone can set a precedent by setting off their one atom bomb.

Then Trigger Dick will be say it was all justified.

Posted by: cld on April 5, 2007 at 3:25 PM | PERMALINK

At home Bush accuses Democrats of appeasing the terrorists, failing to support the troops and second-guessing the generals while the administration itself supports al Qaeda's efforts to de-stabilize Iran, supports GOP members of congress on trips to Syria, negotiates with Iranian kidnappers and on and on . . .

Poor leadership. Just piss-poor leadership.

Posted by: pj in jesusland on April 5, 2007 at 3:32 PM | PERMALINK

another possibility is that releasing the prisoners reduced the likelihood of American attacks on the Iranina oil platforms.

I only mention this as a possibility. The administration has not announced what it plans to do, other than training missions, with three aircraft carrier groups on overlapping tours in the Persion Gulf later this month.

when Cheney says "I don't know", he probably means that he is fully informed about the U.S. side. If it were a quid pro quo he would have denied it outright.

Posted by: MatthewRMarler on April 5, 2007 at 3:45 PM | PERMALINK

another possibility is that releasing the prisoners reduced the likelihood of American attacks on the Iranina oil platforms.

I was about to chastise you for such a ridiculous comment, until it dawned on me that throwing the world economy into recession is exactly the kind of way that the incompetent Bush admin would retaliate against Iran.

Posted by: Disputo on April 5, 2007 at 3:55 PM | PERMALINK

GOP corruption and philandering has metasticized.

Stage 4 GOP cancer has been discovered at the World Bank.

Posted by: Disputo on April 5, 2007 at 4:03 PM | PERMALINK

I learned to play in a minimum security prison.
(Went there for a sophisticated trading scheme that was legal in most parts of the world.)

Anything you want to hear?

Posted by: Norman Rogers with a violin on April 5, 2007 at 4:23 PM | PERMALINK

The article linked by Disputo above is excellent, about how Wolfowitz managed to get his girlfriend a massive pay increase, despite it being wildly outside World Bank procedure.

The clarifying image,

As to the romance between Wolfowitz and Riza, it is unclear where that stands. The Washington Examiner recently reported that the two had split up. But Wonkette reported earlier today that the two of them were recently spotted making out after a party at the Japanese ambassador's house.

Sounds like something out of the Japanese version of The Ring.

It concludes,

And as to any internal probe taking place at the World Bank of any of this, no-one at the bank is expecting anything to happen anytime soon. The person who would conduct any such investigation, Suzanne Rich Folsom, is a Republican party activist and long-time friend of Wolfowitz's. In appointing Folsom to the position, Wolfowitz had disregarded the recommendations of an executive-search firm which after considerable expense and time recommended no less than nine qualified candidates for the position to Wolfowitz.

Posted by: cld on April 5, 2007 at 4:34 PM | PERMALINK

The article is important because it illustrates that when Republicans try to excuse their innate corruption by saying 'That's just how politics works', they're lying. It's just how they work.

Part of the SCAMD personality is that they think everyone else is exactly like them and when they describe their enemies will describe themselves with weird fidelity.

Posted by: cld on April 5, 2007 at 4:53 PM | PERMALINK

You read my SCAMD post! (Blogwhoring alert)

Consider Wisely get at least 60% of the credit for that one.

Posted by: Blue Girl, Red State (aka G.C.) on April 5, 2007 at 5:01 PM | PERMALINK

bleh: No, Orwell, the progressive way is to believe everything ANYBODY says over anything a Republican says.

And y'know what? It's not the fault of progressives that the credibility of Republicans has deteriorated to this point.

While the first sentence may be a little exaggerated, it is a reasonable response to pretty much everything the publicans have said over the past 6 years.

The second sentence is right on.

Posted by: Anandine on April 5, 2007 at 5:24 PM | PERMALINK

I learned to play in a minimum security prison.
(Went there for a sophisticated trading scheme that was legal in most parts of the world.)

Anything you want to hear?

I'm sure the only thing you learned to play was the rusty trombone.

Posted by: NSA Mole on April 5, 2007 at 5:27 PM | PERMALINK

SCAMD catches everything about them in five letters.

I think it's ideal.

Posted by: cld on April 5, 2007 at 5:34 PM | PERMALINK

Well thank you. We truly applied ourselves to that, and worked on it for a couple of weeks before it's 01 April unveiling. Spread the word! The country has been SCAMD!

Posted by: Blue Girl, Red State (aka G.C.) on April 5, 2007 at 5:59 PM | PERMALINK

That's egbert's problem, he's SCAMD.

Posted by: cld on April 5, 2007 at 6:15 PM | PERMALINK

disputo: I was about to chastise you for such a ridiculous comment, until it dawned on me that throwing the world economy into recession is exactly the kind of way that the incompetent Bush admin would retaliate against Iran.

Capturing the oil platforms does not necessarily stop the flow of oil. The US captured two of the oil platforms in 1988 without causing an international recession.

Posted by: MatthewRMarler on April 5, 2007 at 8:30 PM | PERMALINK

Interesting week.

1) Nancy Pelosi appears to be ready for a tricked out 747 upgrade from her 757.

2) Bush vs Ahmadinejad : The pimp suit versus the nice guy in his regular suit. It takes a lot of effort to make Ahmadinejad look like the reasonable one, but ol' W succeeded.

3) No one seems to be taking note of Iran's new highly accurate ICBM capability. Ahmadinejad just tested it twice sucessfully once up Blair's arse in London and right between the cheeks in Crawford....with the prisoner release.

Posted by: RickG on April 5, 2007 at 9:17 PM | PERMALINK




 

 

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