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April 9, 2007
By: Kevin Drum

GONZALES DEATH WATCH....Michael Isikoff reports that Alberto Gonzales has wiped his schedule clean and brought the Justice Department to a "state of paralysis" in order to prepare for his April 17 testimony before Congress. Apparently it's not going well:

At a recent "prep" for a prospective Sunday talk-show interview, Gonzales's performance was so poor that top aides scrapped any live appearances. During the March 23 session in the A.G.'s conference room, Gonzales was grilled by a team of top aides and advisers — including former Republican National Committee chair Ed Gillespie and former White House lawyer Tim Flanigan — about what he knew about the plan to fire seven U.S. attorneys last fall. But Gonzales kept contradicting himself and "getting his timeline confused," said one participant who asked not to be identified talking about a private meeting. His advisers finally got "exasperated" with him, the source added. "He's not ready," Tasia Scolinos, Gonzales's public-affairs chief, told the A.G.'s top aides after the session was over, said the source.

Everyone prepares for congressional testimony, but this is ridiculous. If Gonzales was planning to simply tell the truth, he wouldn't "keep contradicting himself" in practice sessions and he wouldn't need to bring his schedule to a standstill in order to figure out what he's planning to say. He'd just review the appropriate documents to make sure he had his dates straight and then tell Congress what happened.

Obviously, though, that's not quite what he's planning to do, is it?

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Ah the rigors of "truthiness." You see, "we create our own reality and it is your job to interpret it."

Oh what tangled webs we weave, when we practice to deceive!!!!

Posted by: dweb on April 9, 2007 at 2:15 AM | PERMALINK

Ithought this was quite interesting. It's nice to know that the rightwing are getting hurt by their policies too.

Not the picture but:

Enemy of the People

Goes to the damage that this monkey and his idiot master have done and continue to do. And how pernicious.

Posted by: notthere on April 9, 2007 at 2:18 AM | PERMALINK

I do have to wonder if these leaks aren't meant to increase the pressure on Gonzo to resign. If that's the case, it may be accurate or it may be exaggerated.

Posted by: Tentakles on April 9, 2007 at 2:23 AM | PERMALINK

Just quibbling:

O, what a tangled web we weave,
When first we practise to deceive!

Posted by: notthere on April 9, 2007 at 2:33 AM | PERMALINK

I say let him talk & say whatever he wants to. Afterward check every word for accuracy & then prosecute him for each and every non-truthful statement to the full extent of the law.

Such a hive of lies.

"Always tell the truth. That way you never have to remember anything." - Mark Twain

Posted by: daCascadian on April 9, 2007 at 2:37 AM | PERMALINK

Okay - someone cue the Freak Chorus to come tell us how it's all the fault of us devious liberals, bringing a good man down by demanding he tell the truth when he testifies before congress and besides the attorneys serve at the pleasure of the president.

Posted by: Blue Girl, Red State (aka G.C.) on April 9, 2007 at 2:50 AM | PERMALINK

Yes, BG, we haven't been told lately about how this is a non-event something perfectly legal. Fact is, even the legal stuff these guys do is atrocious. I wouldn't trust any of them to pour my morning coffee.

Posted by: Kenji on April 9, 2007 at 3:00 AM | PERMALINK

I prefer my quad-shot mocha without the lye, thanks.

Posted by: Blue Girl, Red State (aka G.C.) on April 9, 2007 at 3:02 AM | PERMALINK

Well, all he has to do is go up there and tell the truth. Do you really have to be prepped for that?

Posted by: TomStewart on April 9, 2007 at 3:06 AM | PERMALINK

The Bernard Kerik thing is an embarrassment for Rudy - But it might be the final nail in Gonzo's coffin. Even after the problems were known, Gonzo took it over himself and kept pushing the nomination.

Here is my two cents, and my post has links to the WaPo article.

Posted by: Blue Girl, Red State (aka G.C.) on April 9, 2007 at 3:08 AM | PERMALINK

You've got to go to war with the Abu Gonzo you've got, not the one you wished you had.

Posted by: Dick Durata on April 9, 2007 at 3:09 AM | PERMALINK

Boy, this barrel is getting so leaky it's coming out of all the seams.

I hope the Democratic Party have started a coordinating committee so that they keep tabs on all this stuff and bring it all out in the best way for them.

UnRovian though. You know, like a intra-legal, humane, non-evil but ruthless group.

Posted by: notthere on April 9, 2007 at 3:10 AM | PERMALINK

Sounds like the leak is to lower expectations.

Posted by: JC on April 9, 2007 at 3:11 AM | PERMALINK

Off subject a bit, but Josh Marshall has posted an interesting article from the Israeli daily Ha'aretz -- published one day before Speaker Nancy Pelosi's trip to Damascus -- which said in part:

"The speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives, Nancy Pelosi, is scheduled to meet with Syrian President Bashar Assad in Damascus today, and will deliver a message of calm from Israel." (Emphasis added.)

Marshall smells a rat in the White House, and suspects that Prime Minister Ohlmert was pressured by the Bush administration to deny that such a message was entrusted to Ms. Pelosi, as an attempt to embarrass the Speaker politically.

That the Bush administration would give short-term domestic political considerations a higher priority over the pursuit of Middle East peace initiatives should come as no real surprise anymore. It should just make us more determined than ever to see this criminal cartel removed from office, and sent in shackles to The Hague to answer to the world for their crimes against humanity.

Posted by: Donald from Hawaii on April 9, 2007 at 3:15 AM | PERMALINK

I hope the Democratic Party have started a coordinating committee so that they keep tabs on all this stuff and bring it all out in the best way for them.

No, no, no. This is much to important to trust to politicians. We informed and empowered citizens have to keep tabs on 'em, and Josh is blazing the trail for us.

Posted by: Blue Girl, Red State (aka G.C.) on April 9, 2007 at 3:25 AM | PERMALINK

If Alberto Gonzales is really that hopeless, then perhaps in lieu of the Attorney General's sworn testimony, the Bush administration should instead offer to play right-wing rocker Ted Nugent's Double Live Gonzo album in its entirety on C-SPAN 2. The overall effect on the committee would be about the same.

Posted by: Donald's Bong-induced Musings from Hawaii on April 9, 2007 at 3:28 AM | PERMALINK

Donald, by gut that sounds right in line with the Bush-Rovian spiteful White House, just slots right together. Otherwise I take all talk with a pinch. See what comes out. After all, there's enough that if this was a corporation you wouldn't find a buyer; the shares would be taaaanking. The smell preceeds the facts.

Best comment so far: Dick Durata.

What really surprises me in one way and not another is how mediocre the senior appointees are.

Gonzales. Been around long enough that Bush over-attaches his own loyalty, but the guy is mediocre. I think I might do better than him at lieing, and I blush.

Rice. Hopeless. Way in over her depth and doesn't seem to know it either.

Pace. deCascadian said it. I'm trying to think, but probably the worst CoS since before WWII.

I could go on. The mediocrity is stunning. But if you don't have wingnut credentials?...

And all the talent and knowledge around!

Boy! I get stunned easily these days.

Posted by: notthere on April 9, 2007 at 3:38 AM | PERMALINK

At least you aren't perpetually appalled like Sullivan is...:)

G'night all...

Posted by: Blue Girl, Red State (aka G.C.) on April 9, 2007 at 3:41 AM | PERMALINK

daCascadian said it (about Pace) in the previous Kleiman thread.

Posted by: notthere on April 9, 2007 at 3:42 AM | PERMALINK

Off subject again -- but this particular incident is worthy of The Three Stooges:

"Credit Ford Motor Co. CEO Alan Mulally with saving the leader of the free world from self-immolation. Mulally told journalists at the New York auto show that he intervened to prevent President Bush from plugging an electrical cord into the hydrogen tank of Ford's hydrogen-electric plug-in hybrid at the White House last week."

Posted by: Donald from Hawaii, Convinced that George W. Bush's Muse is Jerome "Curly" Howard on April 9, 2007 at 3:49 AM | PERMALINK

or...Gore gets an Oscar, and Bush damned near gets himself a Darwin.

Posted by: Blue Girl, Red State (aka G.C.) on April 9, 2007 at 3:51 AM | PERMALINK

Now why'd he have to do that.

I would have run and ducked. But that's me.

God! This is sad. I probably would have stopped him too. Killer of thousands. And I'd've grabbed his wrist. Damn!

Posted by: notthere on April 9, 2007 at 3:56 AM | PERMALINK

Donald,

I've been smelling the same stench that Josh does for several days, but he has followed it to the wrong source. IMO Josh is allowing his biases to blind him to the obvious -- that Olmert double-crossed Pelosi all on his own.

I predicted in this forum a few days ago that Olmert would double-cross Pelosi, I just didn't figure that it would be so soon. I expected that after using Pelosi as a diplomatic courier to lull the Syrians into not expecting an Israeli attack this summer, that Olmert would indeed order an attack. Instead he simply stabbed Pelosi in the back as quickly as possible. Why would he do that? Well, amongst many other reasons, Pelosi refused to seat AIPAC drone Jane Harman as chair of the intel committee. Olmert's action was a shot across the bow to make sure that Pelosi stays in line from now on. I just hope that Pelosi is smart enough to push back. If she takes this hit without retaliating, she will be effectively neutered wrt anything involving the ME.

Posted by: Disputo on April 9, 2007 at 4:12 AM | PERMALINK

Lying for Fun an Profit!

I think we all realize that lies are an essential part of both politics and diplomacy. A "Mr./Mrs. Truth" would have a half-life of about 10 minutes in politics (and not a whole-lot longer in normal adult life). However, we still expect even politicians to be truthful about most aspects of their activities and plans.

However, even thinking back to 'Tricky Dick', I can't remember an adminstration that lied about EVERYTHING. The real intent of legislative proposals, economic and scientific forecasts, environmental impact statements, status reports on the War in Iraq, I mean, you name it. The Bush Administration literally lies about everything. In fact, I challenge anyone on this list to come up with an area where the Administration consistenly tells the truth!

Gonzales fell not because of inherent evil (which I believe he possesses)but simply because lying had become so reflexive to him that he did it even when it wasn't necessary!

James M.

Posted by: James M. on April 9, 2007 at 4:21 AM | PERMALINK

Even if he was contradicting himself, if he had the appropriate documents he could say 'look, it's on paper," but it's not on paper, so it's a problem.

Everyone makes mistakes, even important people, but gosh, if you didn't write anything down, you're gonna look stupid whether or not you're trying to tell the truth.

That's why honest people write things down.

Posted by: Crissa on April 9, 2007 at 4:24 AM | PERMALINK

No wonder Gonzales never got an appointment to the Supremes. You think Scalia would've put up with this sort of amateur BS?

Now one can only wonder what other sorts of legal eagles comprise the Texas Supreme Court..

Posted by: Doug H. on April 9, 2007 at 5:01 AM | PERMALINK

This leak is about setting the bar low and playing the "expectations game", that the Bush gang perfected since the first time Bush stepped into the ring.

Come April 17, we'll be shaking our heads in collective disgust while we endure the oohs and aahs from the usual cable pundits and GOP operatives marvelling at "how well" Abu Gonzales did.

{sigh}

Posted by: voxpopgirl on April 9, 2007 at 5:26 AM | PERMALINK

Disputo: "I predicted in this forum a few days ago that Olmert would double-cross Pelosi ..."

I'm not sure that I necessarily agree with your premise that this was done in retaliation for the speaker's refusal to hand the committee chairmanship to Jane Harman. Pelosi thus far hasn't shown herself to be intimidated by Bush and Cheney in the slightest, so I'm not clear as to how she'd be cowed by Ohlmert and AIPAC. Her statements on this dust-up show that she's certainly standing her ground.

However, in this surreal Fellini-esque real-time political drama we're currently entangled in, I've learned that it doesn't have to make sense to be real. Therefore, I'm not willing to summarily dismiss your take on this, either, and 'll certainly keep it in mind as we watch events unfold.

Posted by: Donald from Hawaii, Convinced that George W. Bush's Muse is Jerome "Curly" Howard on April 9, 2007 at 5:42 AM | PERMALINK

What do you expect from a filthy, lying Administration, other than a filthy, lying Attorney General?

Posted by: The Conservative Deflator on April 9, 2007 at 6:44 AM | PERMALINK

The liberals have a fly on the wall in DoJ meetings and things aren't going well and yada yada yada. In abscence of real news liberals spread rumors. When Gonzales testifies all these rumors will evaporate like mist in the hot sun.

Posted by: Al on April 9, 2007 at 6:49 AM | PERMALINK

If he can get his wife to cry on cue during questioning, he'll have clear sailing.

Posted by: calling all toasters on April 9, 2007 at 7:25 AM | PERMALINK

This is probably just spin setting the expectations for Gonzales's appearance at a low level in order to make him look better. Why else would people trying to help Gonzales be leaking this to the public.

Posted by: swio on April 9, 2007 at 7:29 AM | PERMALINK

Clearly this is their guiding principle:

Bart Simpson: "I didn't do it, no one saw me do it, you can't prove anything!"

Posted by: MsNThrope on April 9, 2007 at 7:49 AM | PERMALINK

Truth is complicated-first you have to dicover what this odd concept of "telling the truth" is, then you have to find someone in the administration who has actual performed this act, and then you have to transfer that knowledge into a brain that is pure ass-licking mush. I swear, these people in the administration checked their independent thoughts and ethics at the door.

Posted by: Neal on April 9, 2007 at 7:57 AM | PERMALINK

"You said that you didn't know/what all those cats were doing out there/and that you'd never go along/with that kind of stuff nowhere/but that just isn't the point, man/that's the wrong wrong way to go/cuz if you didn't know about this one/what else don't you know?"

- arlo guthrie, 1972

Posted by: theAmericanist on April 9, 2007 at 8:25 AM | PERMALINK

James, I agree that this Administration appears to lie continually; however, one topic about which nearly all commentators are willing to give BushCo full faith and credit are the events surrounding 9/11. We know BushCo tells lies; we know they've lied before; we expect them to lie again, and they're probably cooking up more lies now, as you read this.

But about 9/11--oh, they told the TRUTH about that, certain sure, and anyone who doubts the Bush Administration (or PBS or the Commission or Popular Mechanics) is tinfoil-hat crazy. It's an interesting mental gymnastic.

Posted by: J Marra on April 9, 2007 at 8:26 AM | PERMALINK

Alberto is a Rashomon fan. He just can't figure whose perception of the truth should be told to Leahy.

Posted by: gregor on April 9, 2007 at 8:51 AM | PERMALINK

It must be that the extensive prep is necessary to work out what must be not remembered to suit the narrative that is going to fail to be setup.

Posted by: YY on April 9, 2007 at 9:01 AM | PERMALINK

Sometime in the next week, during those private DOJ tutoring sessions for Gonzo, I expect him to say:

"Screw it, I'll just take the 5th!"

Posted by: Satan luvvs Repugs on April 9, 2007 at 9:05 AM | PERMALINK

Stetson set a pretty brisk pace with the non-denial denials - can Gonzales keep up?

Posted by: Davis X. Machina on April 9, 2007 at 9:17 AM | PERMALINK

Al: "When Gonzales testifies all these rumors will evaporate like mist in the hot sun."

LOL! Even you don't believe that.

Posted by: Kenji on April 9, 2007 at 9:27 AM | PERMALINK

does anyone think they leaked this to lower expectations so that he seems better on testimony day?

Posted by: jason on April 9, 2007 at 9:36 AM | PERMALINK

I once read a quote from an old-school Harvard professor that went something like this:

"A-men hire A-men, while B-men hire C-men."

Now Bush was a C student in college. So what kind of 'men' do you think he likes to hire?


Posted by: lampwick on April 9, 2007 at 9:46 AM | PERMALINK


A royalist... not a realist.

Let's pray to Jesus that he crashes and burns protecting Bush's throne.

Posted by: ROTFLMLiberalAO on April 9, 2007 at 9:46 AM | PERMALINK

Maybe the bad previews are meant to make the movie seem better.

Posted by: Clem on April 9, 2007 at 9:53 AM | PERMALINK

notthere: Been around long enough that Bush over-attaches his own loyalty, but the guy is mediocre.

I read some time ago that the way Gonzales got introduced to Bush was that Bush sent Rove out to find "a tame Mexican" because it looked good to have somebody brown next to him in the photos.

We have reached quite a state when people assume the attorney general is preparing to lie, and it seems he isn't even very good at it, though not from lack of practice.

Posted by: anandine on April 9, 2007 at 10:00 AM | PERMALINK

Al, is that like when laurita (mrs beasly) doan eviserated henry waxman with her 6000 word opening statement at the House hearing on the GAO?

Posted by: klyde on April 9, 2007 at 10:01 AM | PERMALINK

Let's pray to Jesus that he crashes and burns protecting Bush's throne.

Jesus is otherwise occupied and isn't about to listen to the ranting and raving of a hate-spewing hippie liberal.

The fact of the matter is, how can one reasonably expect someone who HASN'T BROKEN THE LAW to actually prepare for a session in front of Senators who are prepared to screech and holler that the AG broke some non-existent law?

Hounding good people out of public service achieves what, exactly? This is just another example of liberals attempting to use the media and the three ring circus of a ridiculous hearing gavelled unjustly into existence because of the outrageous egos of Pat Leahy and Chuck Schumer. Now, one notices that the liberals won their election in 2006; trying to now overturn the fact that you lost in the three elections previous to that one is ludicrous.

Liberals were AGAINST having the Attorney General testify before Congress before they were FOR it. Ask Mr. Janet Reno.

Posted by: Norman Rogers on April 9, 2007 at 10:02 AM | PERMALINK

OT: BGRS

You blog just crashed my browser. It's probably that huge 'Get Rich Investing in Gold' banner ad from Google. Had to exit Firefox and restart.

Posted by: MsNThrope on April 9, 2007 at 10:07 AM | PERMALINK

"You said that you didn't know/what all those cats were doing out there/and that you'd never go along/with that kind of stuff nowhere/but that just isn't the point, man/that's the wrong wrong way to go/cuz if you didn't know about this one/what else don't you know?"

- arlo guthrie, 1972

When he wasn't falling down, stoned and confused, Mr. Guthrie was figuring out how to subvert America with nothing more than a cheap guitar. Good luck finding anything relevant about Guthrie; it would appear that the adults have won and you smelly hippie types are just sucking wind and looking for the next contact high.

Did you know that I used to give money to an organization that would record bootlegs of concerts by people like Guthrie, Baez, Dylan and Donovan? These recordings would be transcribed of their onstange "banter" and then those remarks were placed in a file where researchers for the RNC could cherry-pick the diatribes they would spew.

For example, in a 1973 concert, Joan Baez said something quite nasty about Nixon and Vietnam; her comments were transcribed and given to various media outlets friendly to the President and her quotes served as the basis for several arguments against the outrageousness of the hypobolic commentary directed against the administration.

[This should explain my preference for reel-to-reel tape recordings vs the tinny, unhappy sound of the modern Compact Disc.]

Posted by: Norman Rogers on April 9, 2007 at 10:11 AM | PERMALINK

OT, but if Olmert was using Pelosi to lull the Syrians, would he immediately say he hadn't sent her? It seems to me that would cause the Syrians to discount her message.

Posted by: coldhotel on April 9, 2007 at 10:31 AM | PERMALINK

Normon Rogers said, "Jesus is otherwise occupied and isn't about to listen to the ranting and raving of a hate-spewing hippie liberal."

And just where do you get the authority to speak for Jesus, Normon? Would hate-spewing hippie liberals have less access to Jesus than hate spewing right wing conservatives? How about if we just let the Congress do their jobs (which they haven't been doing for the past six years) and let the Attorney General say what he will say, and see what comes of it. It should be entertaining.

Posted by: lamonte on April 9, 2007 at 10:33 AM | PERMALINK

And just where do you get the authority to speak for Jesus, Normon?

I pulled it out of your ass, sir.

Where do any of you get the authority to challenge what I have to say? You get it from the fact that this country lets you say whatever you want to say without fear of accountability. Well, Jesus was all about accountability and making people pay dearly for being liars, cheats and thieves. Do you not recall your scripture? The only time Jesus felt he had to kick some rear ends was when the moneychangers had set up a numbers racket in the temple.

Speaking of which, isn't it ironic that Rudy Guiliani kicked the moneychangers out of the temple of New York and no one made the obvious connection to Jesus?

Posted by: Norman Rogers on April 9, 2007 at 10:36 AM | PERMALINK

It's hard work being a lying, scheming, bugfuck insane loyal Bushie

Posted by: A Gonzalez on April 9, 2007 at 10:44 AM | PERMALINK

lampwick, that's what I've been thinking. We knew from the beginning that GWB was an incompetent manager - we got pretty much what we should have expected. I've seen it a million times in the corporate world, and it's the main reason Bush scared me even early in 2000.

Posted by: justme on April 9, 2007 at 10:48 AM | PERMALINK

hint: the winner was responsible for the massacre at Waco.

Hint: David Koresh and his cult were responsible for the massacre at Waco but thanks for playing.

(I never realized that right-wing trolls supported terrorists like Koresh's gang so fully until mhr and Jay started posting here)

Posted by: ckelly on April 9, 2007 at 10:52 AM | PERMALINK

No wonder Ms. Goodling is taking the 5th rather than risk perjuring herself. They have no intention of telling the truth!

Posted by: Dodger on April 9, 2007 at 10:54 AM | PERMALINK

Gonzales has never impressed me. If he cannot handle this situation then perhaps it is time to replace him. The democrats may be sorry they got what they wished for.

Posted by: TruthPolitik on April 9, 2007 at 10:58 AM | PERMALINK

(I never realized that right-wing trolls supported terrorists like Koresh's gang so fully until mhr and Jay started posting here)

I do NOT ascribe to that viewpoint, by the way. I have often criticized Mr. Jay for his misguided views.

The simple fact of the matter is, Mr. Reno WAS incompetent but not because of anything that happened at Waco, per se. Koresh WAS a reprehensible law breaker who actually violated Texas state laws regarding machine guns and grenades; if you can't follow the gun laws in Texas, you probably can't follow the laws, period.

No, I do not put myself in the category of a far-right winger; I am more in line with the Nelson Rockefeller wing of my party and the coexistence we found, briefly, with the California wing of the party that arrived with the Great and Noble Ronald Reagan.

Posted by: Norman Rogers on April 9, 2007 at 11:00 AM | PERMALINK

NR - "I pulled it out of your ass, sir."

Such eloquence we don't deserve. And just what moneychangers did Gulianni kick out of New York? Have you booked a room in Manhattan lately? It seems the moneychangers now reside at the White House. Every aspect of our society is about making a buck. We're fighting a war (not the war on terror that we left undone in the mountains of Afghanistan but the one in Iraq created for the benefit of the defense industry) for the sole benefit of corporate profits.

Please don't presume to lecture any of us on "scripture" and the teachings of Jesus when the right wing religious conservatives have perverted every aspect of Jesus' teachings for the past decade for the well being of their pocket books..

Posted by: lamonte on April 9, 2007 at 11:00 AM | PERMALINK

And just what moneychangers did Gulianni kick out of New York?

You want names? The moneychangers he threw out of New York were the mafia, sir! And everyone else he drove out of Times Square.

What? It's not like New York City looks anything like the ATL (that's the city of "Atlanta" to those of you who are not down with the times), Detroit, Baltimore, Washington DC or Murderapolis these days. One can actually enjoy NYC without being overwhelmed by the stench of urine and the occasional bite of a stray .22 caliber round.

Posted by: Norman Rogers on April 9, 2007 at 11:03 AM | PERMALINK

hint: the winner was responsible for the massacre at Waco.

A measure of the GOP's moral devolution:

They've gone from "Remember the Alamo" to "Remember the kooks at Waco."

Posted by: ROTFLMLiberalAO on April 9, 2007 at 11:09 AM | PERMALINK

We knew from the beginning that GWB was an incompetent manager - we got pretty much what we should have expected. I've seen it a million times in the corporate world, and it's the main reason Bush scared me even early in 2000.
Posted by: justme

And part of that is here:

'Those who had a mind of their own, those who thought for themselves, those with a sense of honesty and fairness and decency, had a difficult time surviving the past half century of social degeneration. In other words, capitalism has actively selected for those who do not have a mind of their own, those who do not think for themselves, those open to cultural psychosis, as part and parcel of incompetence.' - Dr. Gerry Lower

Because what corporations reward more consistently than anything else is conformity and 'a good fit to the culture' (team players = yes men/women). Elsewhere know as 'The Iron Rule of Oligarchy' (that the first aim of oligarchy is to perpetuate itself).

Posted by: MsNThrope on April 9, 2007 at 11:09 AM | PERMALINK

As it happens, Norman, Arlo used to play a very high-quality Martin, and I think now, when he plays at all, he uses a Jean Larrive, a top of the line custom-made ax of properly harvested old-growth.

LOL -- some of us know the diff between a cheap guitar and cheap rhetoric.

On a more serious note, I think Gonzalez' testimony raises a peculiarly significant test for Bush: CAN he fire the guy? This isn't somebody he can rationalize as 'disloyal', and I think part of the problem he poses for Bush is that for once, the consequences of whatever he does are unavoidably clear, even for him.

If he doesn't fire the very loyal Gonzalez, then he is stuck with an Attorney General who is obviously completely ineffective, and who won't be able to shake it off: the AG is a big blue whale bleeding and beached in shallow water, with every predator and scavenger from orcas to hammerheads to reef crabs ripping away at him. And despite Norman's stuck in the past shtick, Arlo's question lingers: if Gonzalez' defense is that the Attorney General didn't know about this, he's handed the keys to the Congress to turn the Justice Department upside down to find out what ELSE has been going on, since the AG didn't know. The guy who gave 'em the keys won't be strong enough to keep 'em out.

Bush's last 20 months in office will only unravel like that -- and he knows it.

On the other hand, if Bush fires Gonzalez, he is faced with either nominating somebody who will face hearings, OR (would he dare?) trying the interim appointment route for some tool.

This Senate, much less Leahy, is gonna GRILL anybody Bush nominates: the fact is, while Republicans have some talent, Bush's bench isn't very deep. (If he wasn't running for President, Giuliani might have been a possibility.) But who the hell would want the job? Bush just dissed Baker, the best fixer around -- I mean, would YOU want to stick your neck out for this guy?

And even Bush realizes (and if he doesn't, Rove does) that a Cabinet post, much less the AG, is simply not the kind of job you can leave vacant, or put somebody in 'temporarily', while you stiff-arm the Senate.

My bet is John Yoo -- any takers?

For a guy who thinks of himself as the 'decider', Bush has rarely faced a decision with consequences he couldn't duck or rationalize: this could be his first.

Posted by: theAmericanist on April 9, 2007 at 11:10 AM | PERMALINK

For a cleaned-up-NYC with no mafia, Bernie' s sidekick looks to be awfully close buddies with them....

But nice attempt, Norman. No cigar.

(And if we're going to be getting rid of the money-changers, shouldn't Bernie have gone after the forex traders on Wall Street instead?)

Posted by: grumpy realist on April 9, 2007 at 11:12 AM | PERMALINK

Norman is very funny, but ever notice how the whole thing goes sideways when he arrives?

Posted by: Kenji on April 9, 2007 at 11:13 AM | PERMALINK

You know, I believe that I am discerning a pattern here. The objectively worse a given article is for the Repubs, the longer it takes the trolls to come from under their bridges.

It took the Al-bot six hours to get his talking point out there, and don't even try to point out the lateness of the hour...the RNC must have a 24 hour war room going at this point. If only to keep up with the rolling clusterfrag that is the Bush administration.

Posted by: Doug on April 9, 2007 at 11:14 AM | PERMALINK

Woah, the trolls on this site (especially that little dung-roller Norman) are seriously obnoxious. Seriously arrogant, seriously stupid and seriously scary. Do people really think like that? Perhaps I will have to reconsider my long-held scepticism about the existence of supernatural evil.

Posted by: Baldrick on April 9, 2007 at 11:14 AM | PERMALINK

Well, Norman Rogers, I hope a lot of folks with your political bent will invest a lot of money recording the concerts of anti-Bush artists too, because the Nixonite use of those 1973 recordings did bring good results in 1974, didn't they? I don't expect any Democrats will bother to record the prowar musings of Toby Keith because a politician debating a musician appears...paranoid.
You may delude yourself with the belief that liberals are dirty hippies instead of of the clean scrubbed workers, students and soldiers the vast majority are. Lying to yourself is easier when you're emotionally committed to following a gang of known liars, isn't it? Now take your nap, eat your graham crackers and milk, and go back to your
favorite hate spewers, Limbaugh and Coulter.

Posted by: James Pratt on April 9, 2007 at 11:18 AM | PERMALINK

Norman is very funny, but ever notice how the whole thing goes sideways when he arrives?

Yes, everything goes swimmingly when you all agree with each other, high five one another, and yak about nothing. I do so love it when the blog comments top out at 56 or so. How do you think it makes me feel to know that my points are quite obviously correct and then to have NO ONE on my side? You prefer the echo chamber? You got it, bub.

Perhaps I will have to reconsider my long-held scepticism about the existence of supernatural evil.

Well, the devil is in the details. Seriously, though. Calm down. The only one evil is the one advocating the use of drugs to help understand a world in which a hippie can use a $25,000 acoustic guitar with which to sing a $5 song through a $100,000 PA system about people who are broke.

Posted by: Norman Rogers on April 9, 2007 at 11:19 AM | PERMALINK

Because what corporations reward more consistently than anything else is conformity and 'a good fit to the culture' (team players = yes men/women).

All what you say is true, but there are even more subtle aspects to these conformist "don't thinik for yourself" incentives in the economy. John Maynard Keynes, I believe, said that the economy was akin to being a judge in a beauty contest where you get rewarded for picking the candidate that ultimately wins. Thus, you are rewarded not for being able to judge who is the best (most beautiful, most talented) contestant in the pageant. Rather, you are rewarded for picking the contestant that your fellow judges are most likely to pick.

Many industries in the economy reward the ability to "think like the crowd," and selecting for those with the most conformist, most mainstream instincts. Bush seems to have turned this into an artform, attempting to live a life as unemcumbered by doing anything interesting as much as he possibly could. Some people, like David Frum, regard this as a feature, not a bug of capitalism.

Posted by: Constantine on April 9, 2007 at 11:20 AM | PERMALINK

Gonzales is prepping for what? How to tell the truth? If his 'preppers' are prepping him to tell other than the truth they will be offering him as a sacrifice to the Alter of Rove. As a previous poster wrote. "A-men hire A-men and B-men hire C-men" what are they doing trying to set up the AG? I don't think Brandeis, Marshall or Rehnquist could prep this guy.

Posted by: nellieh on April 9, 2007 at 11:21 AM | PERMALINK

You know, I believe that I am discerning a pattern here. The objectively worse a given article is for the Repubs, the longer it takes the trolls to come from under their bridges.

The worse news for the Republicans also coincides with the increased shrill screaming from Norman, who most mostly silent from this blog for many years until recently. While Al, egbert, and AH confine themselves to repeating talking points (more difficult under the current circumstances), Norman's natural reaction, to scream "LA LA LA I Can't Hear You!!!" suddenly has more utility for him.

Posted by: Constantine on April 9, 2007 at 11:23 AM | PERMALINK

Actually, Normy, the poster tend to disagree more when lurkers (not you, of course) aren't disrupting things with obvious mendacities that make us want to circle the wagons instead of arguing about how best to help BushCo blow itself up.

BTW, why do Repubs assume that liberals love us some Janet Reno? I don't know anyone who thinks her tenure wasn't a disaster; having both Waco and Ken Starr on your watch is more than enough baggage to weigh down any AG in history's eyes.

Posted by: Kenji on April 9, 2007 at 11:26 AM | PERMALINK

Josh Marshall has done a great job on the Gonzogate
USA politicizing of justice, any news tips, compliments and perhaps some $$ should be directed to his site at TPM.com Is this better, Kenji?

Posted by: James Pratt on April 9, 2007 at 11:26 AM | PERMALINK

Now take your nap, eat your graham crackers and milk, and go back to your
favorite hate spewers, Limbaugh and Coulter.

No thanks. Funny how liberals always want to tell people what to do while they bleat about things they don't understand. They profess to have a mastery of economics--where telling people what to do is a recipe for disaster. They profess to have a mastery of politics--telling people what to do is a good way to lose elections, or so I have read. And they profess to be all about life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness and yet they are all for abortion, putting anyone who disagrees with them in jail and for taking each and everything that makes people happy and outlawing it, banning it or using it as an excuse to stop global warming.

Were you FOR letting people live their lives before you were AGAINST it? Because if I had a nickel for every incident where a liberal told me what to do, what to think, how to say it, where to say it, I'd have a pile of nickels big enough to build my own hydroelectric dam.

Seriously--was Jesus about telling people how to think a certain way? Perhaps he was and I missed that.

Posted by: Norman Rogers on April 9, 2007 at 11:28 AM | PERMALINK

BTW, why do Repubs assume that liberals love us some Janet Reno? I don't know anyone who thinks her tenure wasn't a disaster; having both Waco and Ken Starr on your watch is more than enough baggage to weigh down any AG in history's eyes.

Uh, perhaps because she served a full eight years, genius.

Hello? Is that too "disruptive" for you?

For me, someone who asks obvious questions that have obvious answers is being "disruptive." But I'm funny that way...

Posted by: Norman Rogers on April 9, 2007 at 11:30 AM | PERMALINK

Gonzo has probably got every paper-shredder running overtime in "preparation" for his testimony.

Posted by: jman_nyc on April 9, 2007 at 11:44 AM | PERMALINK

This was reported by Isakoff so I don't believe a word of it.

His purpose with this story is to set the lowest possible expectations for the Gonzales tesimony next week.

If he gets his timelines straight, he can lie his head off, and the press, led by Isakoff, will proclaim him vindicated.

That's the plan.

Posted by: ken on April 9, 2007 at 11:45 AM | PERMALINK

This was reported by Isakoff so I don't believe a word of it.

Perhaps, but it rings true. Gonzales has stunningly poor performance when speaking to the public and has been worse than usual when addressing the US Attorney issue. Unless he was "Faking it" all this time, it's difficult for me to believe he would improve in these training sessions.

Posted by: Constantine on April 9, 2007 at 11:47 AM | PERMALINK

Seriously--was Jesus about telling people how to think a certain way? Perhaps he was and I missed that.

Yes. Not only to think a certain way, but to act a certain way as well.

Only a GOP sock puppet with no grounds in the real world (outside of mom's basement, that is) can utter such nonsensical garbage.

Were you FOR letting people live their lives before you were AGAINST it? Because if I had a nickel for every incident where a liberal told me what to do, what to think, how to say it, where to say it, I'd have a pile of nickels big enough to build my own hydroelectric dam.

Those nickels, of course, would constitute more money than you've actually earned, which would be none.

I can't think of many liberals who tell the American people what to do anymore than conservative ones. I hear conservative pundits tell me what is right (ie, their views), what is constitutional (ie, what they believe), what religion is correct (ie, their view), what we should be doing in the world (spreading democracy - until a Democrat wants to do it), nation-build (until a Democrat wants to do it), allow unfettered capitalism to outsource our jobs to the third world, to allow corporations to pollute our land with impunity, etc.

Spare us the lecture, Norman Mitty.

Now, do you and Mom a favor and get a real job. Mom's checkbook is probably stretched thin: SS disability checks and turning tricks at the bowling alley just don't bring home the bacon like they used to.

Posted by: NSA Mole on April 9, 2007 at 11:48 AM | PERMALINK

'fraid you've lost us there with your last few posts, Normy. You don't wear the victim hat all that convincingly. Smug superiority sits on you much more comfortably.

Posted by: Kenji on April 9, 2007 at 11:51 AM | PERMALINK

Smug superiority sits on you much more comfortably.

It's not smugness; it's just that I'm right.

No wonder it confuses all of you.

Posted by: Norman Rogers on April 9, 2007 at 11:53 AM | PERMALINK

Norman is very funny, but ever notice how the whole thing goes sideways when he arrives?
Posted by: Kenji

That's his plan. Disrupt and derail it is what wingnut trolls do.

Posted by: klyde on April 9, 2007 at 12:02 PM | PERMALINK

Just goes to show what to expect when you appoint a Harvard lawyer to AG. Now, if only he had been fully prepped at Regent..........

Think Normie got off his Appy and forgot to duck when the frisky steed back kicked him. Ah, for the days, when he riding free and savaging the righties in the High Sierras or even further back in time when he was fighting the good intell war, or even before that. Those were the days, my friends.

Posted by: thethirdPaul on April 9, 2007 at 12:02 PM | PERMALINK

Does anyone have a running list of all the departments that Bush has destroyed in his tenure?

Justice
CIA
FEMA
EPA
...

Posted by: ckelly on April 9, 2007 at 12:10 PM | PERMALINK

Alberto Gonzales's own firing offenses go well beyond politically motivated sackings of U.S. attorneys. For more, see:
"The Top 10 Reasons Gonzales Must Go."

For the latest news, hearings, legal filings and other essential documents on the Bush DOJ prosecutor firings, see:
"The U.S. Attorney Scandal Documents."

Posted by: AngryOne on April 9, 2007 at 12:18 PM | PERMALINK

Funny how liberals always want to tell people what to do...(waaa, waaa, waaa)...

Norman Rogers on April 9, 2007 at 11:28 AM

It ain't pretty when a rugged individualist goes all sucky-baby.

Posted by: skeg on April 9, 2007 at 12:26 PM | PERMALINK

ckelly: He just put a lackey at Social Security. I am starting to believe that Sam Fox was appointed to draw the fire and scrutiny away from the other two appointments.

Posted by: Blue Girl, Red State (aka G.C.) on April 9, 2007 at 12:28 PM | PERMALINK

Well, Normie gets so sucky-baby when the Twins lose.

Posted by: stupid git on April 9, 2007 at 12:28 PM | PERMALINK

ckelly: Does anyone have a running list of all the departments that Bush has destroyed in his tenure?
Justice
CIA
FEMA
EPA
...

Interior (Griles and loss of billions in oil royalty relief)
GSA (First Safavian and now Doan)

Posted by: Apollo 13 on April 9, 2007 at 12:34 PM | PERMALINK

Didn't Gonzales graduate from Harvard. Class of 1982 as I recall. Monica Goodling graduated from the Pat Robertson School of Law. Gonzales has the Senate Judiciary Committee circling around him like a school of sharks. Monica has the same committee cowarding in a corner. Doesn't that blow a big hole in the notion that all Harvard Grads are brilliant, much smarter than the graduates of Regent University School of Law?

No need to respond by drawing distinctions between the relative importance of the AG position and the job of liaison to the White House. I was just snarking about those who defend elite Law School Graduates as being something super duper special.

Posted by: Ron Byers on April 9, 2007 at 12:41 PM | PERMALINK

Yep, Ron Byers, Monica is indeed smarter than he.

She resigned.

Posted by: thethirdPaul on April 9, 2007 at 12:59 PM | PERMALINK

One of our regulars got a nod at Salon today...

bmaz hit this one over the fence.

Posted by: Blue Girl, Red State (aka G.C.) on April 9, 2007 at 1:06 PM | PERMALINK

When he wasn't falling down, stoned and confused, Mr. Guthrie was figuring out how to subvert America with nothing more than a cheap guitar.

Mr. Rodgers, how dare you suggest that America the Strong was in any way capable of being subverted by that dirty hippy!

I want to see fifty push-ups from you and after that you can report to K.P., pronto!!

NOW GET TO IT SOLDIER!

Posted by: General Dash Riprock on April 9, 2007 at 1:09 PM | PERMALINK

Because if I had a nickel for every incident where a liberal told me what to do, what to think, how to say it, where to say it, I'd have a pile of nickels big enough to build my own hydroelectric dam.

Two words: "Terri" and "Schiavo"

Posted by: DrBB on April 9, 2007 at 1:10 PM | PERMALINK

Norman is a very common name for pedophiles.

Posted by: Rectuma on April 9, 2007 at 1:12 PM | PERMALINK

The nom-de-pun name of Norman may mean many different things to many of the regulars, but, Rectuma, you are Far Over the Line.

Yellow flag at the minimum.

Posted by: thethirdPaul on April 9, 2007 at 1:22 PM | PERMALINK

Re Joan Baez et al, the notion that anyone would spend publicly funded man-hours transcribing concert patter that the participants would happily tell you over the phone, if asked, just fits perfectly with the present wacko regime--whose sole purpose, currently, appears to be to make Richard Nixon look good!

Posted by: Kenji on April 9, 2007 at 1:38 PM | PERMALINK

Two words: "Terri" and "Schiavo"

Exactly. Liberals wanted to kill her by dehydrating her and shrivelling her up like a human raisin, and conservatives tried desperately to keep her alive.

Thank you for making my point for me. Good lord, you're all geniuses. And not a bit unhinged, to say the least. Calling me names will not silence me. I am here to battle the ignorance of your insane echo chamber, moonbats. Suck eggs and put it in your book of memories.

Bwah hah hah hah hah hah hah hah hah!

Posted by: Norman Rogers on April 9, 2007 at 1:40 PM | PERMALINK

Rectuma ? Odd name that

Norman is always wrong, but always entertaining. I don't think of him as being anything more that a Republican Mr. Magoo.

Posted by: Ron Byers on April 9, 2007 at 1:43 PM | PERMALINK

Klyde: That's his plan. Disrupt and derail it is what wingnut trolls do.

If you think it through,
trolls behave JUST LIKE the Emperor and his Court.
Trolls provide a barometer of how this Administration works:

The harder you hit them over the head with facts and truth, the harder they spit back slander, bs, and lies.

Because trolls provide the clearest look inside malfunctioning Republican brains, these court jesters should be welcomed and nurtured here with wholesome doses of reality...

Posted by: Elephant cork gun on April 9, 2007 at 1:45 PM | PERMALINK

Yeah, but "Liberals wanted to kill" Terri Schiavo? Haven't we been inside that peculiar mindset for long enough?

Posted by: Kenji on April 9, 2007 at 1:48 PM | PERMALINK

Exactly. Liberals wanted to kill her by dehydrating her and shrivelling her up like a human raisin, and conservatives tried desperately to keep her alive.

Liberals allowed the official and legal next-of-kin decide her fate, as the law allows.

Wingnuts wanted to rewrite all the rules to keep her "alive" - all on the government dime.

Posted by: NSA Mole on April 9, 2007 at 1:57 PM | PERMALINK

I don't think of him as being anything more that a Republican Mr. Magoo.

Exactly. Mr. Magoo had all kinds of adventures thanks to a deficiency of eyesight, but at the end of the day, he was rich, happy, well-adjusted and--most importantly--he was right about everything. And the best advice I can give all of you--continue thinking of me as harmless, as the tool of Kevin Drum's imagination, as a parody done by some busybody liberal, as the supernatural source of all the evil in the world, as an arm of the Republican National Comittee, as anything...anything at all. Think of me as your uncle Norman. I'm here to tell you how the world really works.

And none of you will ever figure that out. Ever!

Bwah hah hah hah hah hah hah hah hah hah!

Posted by: Norman Rogers on April 9, 2007 at 1:57 PM | PERMALINK

NSA, illiberals are only interested in killing the fit and able. The unborn and infirm--those unable to speak, or vote, for themselves--are conveniently deemed sacred.

Posted by: Kenji on April 9, 2007 at 2:03 PM | PERMALINK

The unborn and infirm--those unable to speak, or vote, for themselves--are conveniently deemed sacred.

No, a just society cares for everyone, whether they can speak for themselves or not. Liberals want to sacrifice all for the good of what their elites tell them is good; we conservatives will let the good people figure that out on their own. You all bitch about the freedoms you think you lost under the Patriot Act, but remember this--all of the liberty in the world is meaningless when buildings full of people are collapsing and when terrorists come here from Iraq to burn down our cities.

Posted by: Norman Rogers on April 9, 2007 at 2:20 PM | PERMALINK

Another example of how liberals protect America:

PYONGYANG, North Korea (AP) -- New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson on Monday toured a U.S. warship captured by North Korea in the 1960s that is now used to inspire anti-American sentiment in the reclusive communist regime.

The North Korea colonel who served as Richardson's guide smiled as he told the governor the ship was an example of continued U.S. aggression toward his country. Richardson and his traveling companion, former Veteran Affairs Secretary Anthony Principi, were then shown bullet holes circled in red paint and a video describing the maneuvering of "brazen-faced U.S. imperialists."

The USS Pueblo was captured by North Korea on Jan. 23, 1968, after being sent defenseless on an intelligence-gathering mission off the country's coast. It was the first U.S. warship captured since 1807, and remains the only active-duty warship in foreign hands.

Thanks again, LBJ! The only President to lose a warship to the Communists was...hello? A Democrat, thank you very much.

I am outraged and appalled that Richardson set foot on the Pueblo and did not immediately seize the helm and try to sail to freedom or at least aim one of the deck cannon downwards and try to puncture the hull. The fact that he stood there and did nothing reveals him to be unfit to be anything other than the Governor of Mexico. And, yes, I said "Mexico" and I didn't say "New Mexico," so blow it out your mud hole.

Posted by: Norman Rogers on April 9, 2007 at 2:25 PM | PERMALINK

>If Gonzales was planning to simply tell the truth, he wouldn't "keep contradicting himself"...

Yes, but. Is there anyone with real power who cares enough to stop Gonzo the dumb for good?

Posted by: James on April 9, 2007 at 2:32 PM | PERMALINK
...Bwah hah hah...Norman Rogers at 1:57 PM
China had to teach Bush a lesson about spying too. Kowtow little Bush bot and scream your crazed rants of impotent rage from your asylum. Posted by: Mike on April 9, 2007 at 2:49 PM | PERMALINK

So when he leaves, next time Bush will appoint an *actor*, who can lie with great ease and great sincerity, eh?

Posted by: Scorpio on April 9, 2007 at 2:53 PM | PERMALINK

ThinkProgress has a video clip of testimony Gonzales gave before Congress in 2004, when the whole wire-tapping and electronic eavesdropping thing came out.

Gonzales was claiming that previous administrations also used electronic surveillance. This is not an exact quote, but he said that presidents Washington, Lincoln, Wilson, and Roosevelt had all used electronic surveillance to a far greater extent than the Bush Administration had even dreamed of doing...

It does make you wonder how he managed to get a law degree from Harvard.

Norman, please keep on posting. You are such a wonderful spokesman for rightwing points of view, i.e., wingnuttery. Do you really think that you are persuading lurkers (which I usually am) with your sneering, condescension, and utter drivel?

Posted by: Wolfdaughter on April 9, 2007 at 3:15 PM | PERMALINK

You are such a wonderful spokesman for rightwing points of view, i.e., wingnuttery. Do you really think that you are persuading lurkers (which I usually am) with your sneering, condescension, and utter drivel?

Well, I've obviously put a bee in your bonnet, toots.

Posted by: Norman Rogers on April 9, 2007 at 3:46 PM | PERMALINK
bee in your bonnet Norman Rogers at 3:46 PM
Naw, missy, it's me putting a burr under your sidesaddle. Posted by: Mike on April 9, 2007 at 4:22 PM | PERMALINK

I don't think you appreciate just how dim-witted Gonzo truly is. You wouldn't criticize an old man for walking slow in front of you. Please be patient with the Attorney General. He is doing his best to prepare his lies, I mean testimony.

Posted by: Phill on April 9, 2007 at 4:53 PM | PERMALINK

CNN is discussing the secret white house email--referring to it as "hidden messages."
Your average 'glad to be home' and 'plopped in front of the teevee' viewer just caught these nuances!

Posted by: consider wisely on April 9, 2007 at 7:56 PM | PERMALINK

Naw, missy, it's me putting a burr under your sidesaddle.

Did you just call her fat? Good Lord, sir. What the deuce is wrong with you?

Posted by: Norman Rogers on April 9, 2007 at 8:25 PM | PERMALINK
What the deuce is wrong with you? Norman Rogers at 8:25 PM
Tsk, trying to deflect to another. How ungallant, little missy. Posted by: Mike on April 9, 2007 at 11:02 PM | PERMALINK

He can't handle the truth.

Posted by: Repack Rider on April 9, 2007 at 11:42 PM | PERMALINK

Yah know, for the first few obvious troll posts, Norman Rogers was mildly amusing. But after a while it's kind of like a 10-year old yelling "poop!" over and over again.

Gonzo is in deep trouble because we already have in full public view his testimony, which was never believable in the first place, being blatantly contradicted by ample documentary evidence.

What we've seen so far is just the tip of the rotten stinking garbage-berg.

Oh, BTW, Norm, Jesus told me to tell you to stop acting like a dumbass.

Posted by: JT on April 10, 2007 at 5:02 PM | PERMALINK
…. Minorities who demand the right to think outside the left wing box are fair game… mh rat 12:49 PM
The problem, as you should well know, is not race or ethnicity, but honesty and competency. The fact that the man has lied to congress, which constitutes perjury, should immediately lead to his dismissal by any honest regime. The fact that it doesn't in the Bush Administration shows how dishonest they are at core. Your straw man defense of Bush's lack of integrity illustrates how dishonest you are. Posted by: Mike on April 10, 2007 at 5:33 PM | PERMALINK

Yeah, Mike, isn't it amazing how quickly conservatives pull the race card when it benefits them? They're quicker on the draw with that damn thing than Sharpton himself. They don't even bother to limit themselves to cases where the other side has brought up race - any old time is fine.

I mean, Justice Thomas? The single worst Justice in memory? The guy can't even stay awake for arguments, asks one question every year or two, and basically just gives Scalia two votes.

It's the incompetency, stupid.

Posted by: JT on April 10, 2007 at 10:44 PM | PERMALINK

Oh, BTW, Norm, Jesus told me to tell you to stop acting like a dumbass.

Only the insane claim to know what Jesus is telling them to do.

Posted by: Norman Rogers on April 11, 2007 at 12:06 AM | PERMALINK




 

 

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