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April 10, 2007
By: Kevin Drum

COMING TO A THEATER NEAR YOU....Now this sounds like Academy Award bait, doesn't it?

The Iranian military says it will soon release a film documenting the arrest, interrogation and statements by UK sailors held in Iran for two weeks.

....The military will release a CD and book about the arrest of the sailors — or, as it calls them, "British aggressors". The statement came from the culture and propaganda office of the joint chief of staff of Iran's armed forces.

A CD and a book! I can't wait. If they were smart, though, they'd auction off the rights to a British tabloid. That oil won't last forever, after all.

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Maybe they can get that British actor who played Tony Blair in "The Queen" to do a repeat. He was spot on.

Posted by: Peter Principle on April 10, 2007 at 1:43 PM | PERMALINK

I'm wondering when items from the "goodies bags" are going to start showing up on eBay.

Posted by: Jim Bartle on April 10, 2007 at 1:44 PM | PERMALINK

[Comments by a previously banned commenter will be deleted. Do not respond to posts by Redplague.]

Posted by: Redplague on April 10, 2007 at 1:45 PM | PERMALINK

I wonder what the MPAA rating will be. and who is doing the PR for the release? and where is the premiere party?

Posted by: Exile on April 10, 2007 at 1:46 PM | PERMALINK

Whoa. Any way to delete the repeated posts? Not my intention...

Posted by: Jim Bartle on April 10, 2007 at 1:46 PM | PERMALINK

Using footage for propaganda in this manner is a flagrant violation of the Geneva Conventions--

The Geneve Conventions are "quaint."

That's why we in the Bush administration violate them so frequently.

Posted by: Alberto Gonzales on April 10, 2007 at 1:48 PM | PERMALINK

Geneva Conventions? Surely you jest! That quaint document?

Posted by: Blue Girl, Red State (aka G.C.) on April 10, 2007 at 1:49 PM | PERMALINK

Will they begoing on a book tour and talk to all those morning snooze shows?

Posted by: apeman on April 10, 2007 at 1:49 PM | PERMALINK

Redplague- We're too busy being outraged over the violations of said conventions by OUR government, you know, the one we're responsible for.

Posted by: Alanc on April 10, 2007 at 1:51 PM | PERMALINK

Smirk crapped all over the Geneva Conventions, so Iranian is just following his lead. Who knew that Smirk could be such a uniter?

Posted by: Joe Klein's conscience on April 10, 2007 at 1:54 PM | PERMALINK

Forgive my ignorance, but why exactly is it against the Geneva convention to film or photograph prisoners of war?

If it was explicited used in threatening their lives I can understand, but the prohibition seems to be against any and all such photography.

Or am I misunderstanding the issue?

Posted by: Dr. Morpheus on April 10, 2007 at 1:59 PM | PERMALINK

The British seamen weren't prisoners of war, nor are they currently being held. There is no conceivable violation of the Geneva conventions by airing a film of their time spent as detainees in Iran.

I would think all the wingers would be clamoring to see a film like this so they could point to it as a example of "evil" by Iran. Unfortunately since they weren't mistreated a film is going to give the lie to this hope.

After 9/11 the Bush administration secretly rounded up thousands of non-citizens and held them without charge or trial, often for months or a year. Where was the winger outrage over this abuse of governmental authority?

*crickets*

Posted by: eh on April 10, 2007 at 2:01 PM | PERMALINK

I hope you don't mind an off-topic comment, but I think this is important:

Re: the Iraq war in general

(also see this post)

Ever since the months prior to the 2003 invasion of Iraq, there have been a few reports in the newspapers that the Central Intelligence Agency was casting aspersions on the intelligence the White House was relying on to justify the war. The CIA has never given a position on whether the war is needed or justified or said that Bush is wrong to go to war. But doesn't it seem much more likely that the CIA is an extremely right wing organization than a left wing one? After all, even if the people working for them and at least a lot of the leadership really wanted a war for their own reasons, there are a lot of reasons for them to not want to tie their credibility to what they know is faulty information. They and their personnel, present and former, could use other means of promoting the Iraq war, and still be motivated to make the statements in the media. If the CIA got behind faulty information, they would have to make a choice between whether they would be involved in scamming the American people and the world once the military had invaded Iraq and no weapons were found- so: 1) Imagine the incredible difficulties involved in pulling off a hoax that weapons of mass destruction were found in Iraq. Imagine all the people you would have to be able to show the weapons to- the inspectors from the UN / the international community, the American press, statesmen, etc. Then imagine the difficulties of substantiating that story to people who would examine it- the lack of witnesses to a production plant that made the weapons or to transportation operations or storage of the weapons during Hussein's regime of them. 2) If the story fell apart upon inspection or the CIA tried not to hoax it at all, imagine the loss of credibility they would suffer. The CIA, it is safe to bet, does not want to be known to the American people as a group that lies to them to send them to war. Even within the CIA there could be disagreement among people about how involved they should be in promoting the war or the neo-con agenda more broadly, so the CIA would have to worry about lying to and managing its own people after trying so hard to get them to trust their superiors in the agency, and perhaps there simply might be too many people in the agency who knew enough about what was going on in Iraq to know if someone was deceiving people to promote this war.

So there is a lot of reason to be cautious against being seen as endorsing what they knew was false intelligence even if they were very strong supporters of going to war.

Posted by: Dolabella on April 10, 2007 at 2:13 PM | PERMALINK

It is just a shame to think Iranians are way ahead of the White House on this information model.

Posted by: Brojo on April 10, 2007 at 2:17 PM | PERMALINK
Forgive my ignorance, but why exactly is it against the Geneva convention to film or photograph prisoners of war?

It is a violation to expose POW's to, as I recall, "public curiosity", among other things. Mostly, this exists to prevent, say, publicly displaying them for propaganda purposes while they are held as POWs.

It is not, as best as I can tell, a violation of the conventions to use images of POWs that are made while they are prisoners for propaganda purposes after they have been released, or in general to film prisoners while they are held.

Posted by: cmdicely on April 10, 2007 at 2:34 PM | PERMALINK

Not that I would buy any of this crap but what would the CD contain - audio files?

Yuck.

Posted by: Tripp on April 10, 2007 at 2:42 PM | PERMALINK

The Bush military would never perpetuate false hero myths as an essential ingredient in a propaganda campaign.

Uh oh, wait a minute...

"House probes military on Tillman, Lynch ."

Posted by: AngryOne on April 10, 2007 at 2:54 PM | PERMALINK

I'm waiting for the comic book.

Posted by: Kenji on April 10, 2007 at 3:24 PM | PERMALINK

Who's doing the music?

Posted by: Tilli (Mojave Desert) on April 10, 2007 at 3:39 PM | PERMALINK

I wonder if the Iranians will look like the Persians in 300.

If so, you can bet that scads of neocon nerds will go see it, cream in their underoos, and proclaim that it truly represents good-vs-evil.

Posted by: NSA Mole on April 10, 2007 at 3:48 PM | PERMALINK

CDs are sooooo 1990s. If the Iranians were really "with it", they'd be releasing an HD-DVD with the book.

Posted by: Disputo on April 10, 2007 at 3:49 PM | PERMALINK

mhr, your comments are so not in line with the views expressed above by "liberals" who at least have the good sense not to accept uncritically the word of pathological liars, whichever side they might be on.

Posted by: notthere on April 10, 2007 at 4:01 PM | PERMALINK

Well, who are we to believe? Some Judge ruling for Larry Birkhead, or Norman's agonized pleas for a real family life?

Posted by: thethirdPaul on April 10, 2007 at 4:05 PM | PERMALINK

See...
If the Geneva thingamajiggies are quaint see...
Then that see...
Pre-establishes my point see... that the constitution see...
Is just a piece of paper...
See...

Posted by: President Bush on April 10, 2007 at 4:38 PM | PERMALINK

Disputo:

CDs are sooooo 1990s. If the Iranians were really "with it", they'd be releasing an HD-DVD with the book...

Actually they'd be vid-blogging it to itunes.

Posted by: ROTFLMLiberalAO on April 10, 2007 at 4:42 PM | PERMALINK

We use the Medina Conventions, which allows to treat prisoners so badly as we do our women.

Posted by: Ackmadinijad on April 10, 2007 at 4:51 PM | PERMALINK

The Iranians should start sending the clips to You've Been Framed. That way they would earn £250 for each clip.

Posted by: blowback on April 10, 2007 at 5:14 PM | PERMALINK

mhr, you really are an mr. Liberals here are mostly saying they are offended by or amused by this propaganda AND by the sailors' cash-in in the British press. And yet you pull that same "liberals love this" straw man out of your ass once again.

Let me tell you, you pathetic bootlicker, once and for all: your "arguments" smell exactly like shit.

Posted by: Kenji on April 10, 2007 at 5:43 PM | PERMALINK
… Muslims can produce a documentary about Abu Ghraib and US atrocities in Iraq… mhr at 3:54 PM
Don't commit atrocities and they won't be used as propaganda against you. It's called occupying the moral high ground. Once upon a time the US at least paid lip service to it. Posted by: Mike on April 10, 2007 at 6:03 PM | PERMALINK

What conventions did Private Green use?

The Patriarchal Conventions.

Posted by: Brojo on April 10, 2007 at 6:07 PM | PERMALINK

Fortunately, Persia, we hold the high moral ground. Our right to self defense becomes paramount, and we must have nuclear weaponry to defend off the zionist and impreialist. We will get the weaponry, that is fact. Accept it and make peace my friends.

Posted by: Ackmadinijad on April 10, 2007 at 6:59 PM | PERMALINK

Huh?

Posted by: Kenji on April 10, 2007 at 7:01 PM | PERMALINK

Make peace my friends.

Posted by: Ackmadinijad on April 10, 2007 at 7:35 PM | PERMALINK

Sure, um, you bet...

Posted by: Kenji on April 10, 2007 at 7:38 PM | PERMALINK

Iran has exposed the brinkmanship and geopolitical games of America and England, yet even liberal nationalists condemn them. I think the video is being released to demonstrate the decent treatment the prisoners received.

I applaud Iran for releasing those armed military personnel, who were sent on a mission near or in Iran, unharmed. Neither England or the US would do such a thing in such a timely manner if armed Iranians were found in their territory.

Posted by: Brojo on April 10, 2007 at 7:54 PM | PERMALINK

A CD and a book!

What? No Action Figure?

Posted by: craigie on April 10, 2007 at 8:28 PM | PERMALINK

Brojo, is it your intention to prove how stupid you are everytime you post here? Morons like you, who voted for Ralph Nader, share responsibility for the ways things have unfolded in the Middle East over the last six years. Kindy shut the fuck up.

Posted by: Rich on April 10, 2007 at 9:05 PM | PERMALINK

Brojo you are wisest of men. I clap your wisdom. The english speakers must respect each other and us too. We can live in peace, but we must respcet.

Posted by: Ackmadinijad on April 10, 2007 at 10:27 PM | PERMALINK

Fortunately, Persia, we hold the high moral ground. Our right to self defense becomes paramount, and we must have nuclear weaponry to defend off the zionist and impreialist. We will get the weaponry, that is fact. Accept it and make peace my friends.

Fortunately here in 'Merka, we hold the high moral ground. Heh. [snicker] Our right to defend ourselves is pantomime. No one can be trusted with nukular weapons but us, see?

Don't git yer panties in a bench, though. We will carefully use the tools of extraordinary renditions, torture, suspension of habeas corpus and posse comitatus, warrantless spying, secret prisons, and pre-emptive wars based on fabricated evidence to defend against the terrorists and socialists who hate our freance and peance and envy our nukulosity.

Heh.

We will continue to harass other nations militarily rather than show weakness with diplomacy, even if it bankrupts us and destroys our economy. You can take that to the bank, Stretch. Get it? "Bank?" "Economy?" Pretty good, eh?

That's all. Blog dress the Untitled Straights of America. Heh.

Posted by: G. Dubya on April 10, 2007 at 11:20 PM | PERMALINK

"Who's doing the music?"
Posted by: Tilli (Mojave Desert) on April 10, 2007 at 3:39 PM

Maybe... Steve Reich: "The Desert Music"(!)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Desert_Music

An atmospheric science professor gave me a tape cassette of that back in the late '80's. I liked it enough to tap it in to the Muzak at the liqour store I worked at while going to college-none of the customers mentioned the music during liquor purchase, but they definitely acted distraught in some way.

Posted by: Doc at the Radar Station on April 11, 2007 at 12:37 AM | PERMALINK

G. Dubya, your cowboys boots do not fear me. You have the nuclear weaponry, but you will not use it. You have the hiding secret bombers, but will you put bombs on your babies? We will walk up to you, shake your hand, and explode ourselve to take both to heaven. Allh will send you to hell. We will explode your diplomacy. You will ask one million times to stop, we will say no, and we will have bomb when we say the one million no. Then we must be friends or die together.

Posted by: Ackmadinijad on April 11, 2007 at 8:46 AM | PERMALINK

Rich, you hate me because I want to stop you from raping an Iraninan little girl.

Posted by: Brojo on April 11, 2007 at 12:19 PM | PERMALINK




 

 

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