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April 14, 2007
By: Kevin Drum

PURGEGATE UPDATE....Here's the latest Purgegate news:

  • The original plan to fire all 93 U.S. Attorneys came from Karl Rove "as a way to get political cover for firing the small number of U.S. attorneys the White House actually wanted to get rid of." Link.

  • Wisconsin USA Steven Biskupic was originally on the list of prosecutors slated to be fired. Then he was removed. The reason for his reprieve is unclear, but perhaps it was because he was making his bosses happy by pursuing a bogus prosecution designed to make Wisconsin's Democratic governor look bad? Link.

  • When he testified before Congress, Alberto Gonzales's chief of staff, Kyle Sampson, said that he had no replacements in mind when he was originally planning the purge. Turns out that's not exactly true. Link.

That's all for now. More to come, I'm sure.

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Also among the news this afternoon that I heard on NPR was that the RNC withdrew Roves' priviliges for deleting his e-mail. Presumably they gave him at least one warning before cutting him off, being the preznit's pol adviser and all. You think?

So how come he kept doing it? And where was preznit's counsel? And wouldn't they tell everyone not to do that? And why is the office giving us the excuse Rove was just doing it to clear his computer?

At least Leahy continues to sound angry. And I think Specter is with him but just can't say so.

Posted by: notthere on April 14, 2007 at 2:20 AM | PERMALINK

The original plan to fire all 93 U.S. Attorneys came from Karl Rove "as a way to get political cover for firing the small number of U.S. attorneys the White House actually wanted to get rid of."

Wouldn't be the first time that would have worked.

Posted by: rnc on April 14, 2007 at 2:23 AM | PERMALINK

I'm beginning to suspect the Bush administration isn't entirely honest...

Posted by: NTodd on April 14, 2007 at 2:26 AM | PERMALINK

And the walls come tumblin down...

This is going to be one very interesting summer. I remember the summer of 1973 very fondly & August the next year even more so.

Maybe history will repeat.

"The water won't clear up 'til we get the hogs out of the creek." - Jim Hightower

Posted by: daCascadian on April 14, 2007 at 2:26 AM | PERMALINK

Wahh? You mean the idea to fire all 93 didn't come from Miers, with Rove, being the voice of enlightened reason, overruling Miers? I'm shocked.... wait, I'm not... in fact I called it.

Posted by: Disputo on April 14, 2007 at 2:46 AM | PERMALINK

Meanwhile, the troop surge has saved the lives of 800 Iraqi civilians in two months.

Those people wold be dead if Kevin's efforts had been successful.

But don't worry - you just keep poring over those emails.

Posted by: am on April 14, 2007 at 2:46 AM | PERMALINK

Meanwhile, the troop surge has saved the lives of 800 Iraqi civilians in two months.

Prove it, bitch.

Posted by: Vladi G on April 14, 2007 at 2:48 AM | PERMALINK

Meanwhile, the troop surge has saved the lives of 800 Iraqi civilians in two months.

Prove it, fucktard.

Posted by: Blue Girl, Red State (aka G.C.) on April 14, 2007 at 2:50 AM | PERMALINK

Great minds, eh, Vladi?

Posted by: Blue Girl, Red State (aka G.C.) on April 14, 2007 at 2:51 AM | PERMALINK

Jesus lawnmowing Christ, don't you people sleep?

Posted by: anonymous on April 14, 2007 at 2:52 AM | PERMALINK

If Christ wants to come mow my lawn tonight, I'll gladly stay up.

While I had no way of knowing the exact muck that would be revealed, I've been expecting that once the Dems got in position to do oversight, the flow of scummy revelations about the administration would come fast and hard.

At this point I'll predict that whatever stuff we've found out about these past couple of months is just a small part of the crap we'll eventually discover.

Posted by: jimBOB on April 14, 2007 at 3:00 AM | PERMALINK

I live in a co-op. I do not mow.

I have on-line students who have been called up. It isn't the middle of the night for some of them. It's nice to be able to drop in here and chat intelligently when I have to be up and email accessible.

Posted by: Blue Girl, Red State (aka G.C.) on April 14, 2007 at 3:05 AM | PERMALINK

At this point I'll predict that whatever stuff we've found out about these past couple of months is just a small part of the crap we'll eventually discover.

Most definitely. But we still have to find a scandal with sex to get Joe six-pack interested.

Posted by: Disputo on April 14, 2007 at 3:07 AM | PERMALINK

We won't find out all the rotten stuff this adminstration did, ever. If some one needs some money we'll hear about some juicy morsels when they write.

preznit already cahnged the rules about releasing ALL president records which requires clearance. And these idiots are covering their tracks as fast as they can.

Think we'll ever hear about Cheney's "Energy Plan". I don't. What else.

Posted by: notthere on April 14, 2007 at 3:08 AM | PERMALINK

Disputo! We have one!!!

Harlan Ullman was shocked and awed to hear his name dropped in open court on Thursday!

Posted by: Blue Girl, Red State (aka G.C.) on April 14, 2007 at 3:11 AM | PERMALINK

That certainly has potential, but it has as yet to hit the fan, and I suspect the madam will be duly silenced if it becomes necessary.

Posted by: Disputo on April 14, 2007 at 3:18 AM | PERMALINK

I want to know about the security clearances of some of these assholes. I can't find any evidence that they are being suspended pending review, let alone revoked. What the fuck is up with that?

Posted by: Blue Girl, Red State (aka G.C.) on April 14, 2007 at 3:21 AM | PERMALINK

Wouldn't be the first time that would have worked.

You know, that little drive-by slur doesn't get to go unchallenged.

Just what the hell do you mean by that? That Clinton replaced all USA's at the beginning of his first term? Is that what you are implying is inherently wrong and gives this mendacity cover? Is that your assertion? (A yes or no answer will suffice.)

If that is your assertion, you have to acknowledge that Reagan and both Bush's did so as well. It is SOP. But firings like were considered, and like were eventually undertaken, are unprecedented.

Fucking deal with that. Don't care if it gags you or not. Choke on it for all I care.

So take that strawman out back and set him alight.

Posted by: Blue Girl, Red State (aka G.C.) on April 14, 2007 at 3:27 AM | PERMALINK

When he testified before Congress, Alberto Gonzales's chief of staff, Kyle Sampson, said that he had no replacements in mind when he was originally planning the purge. Turns out that's not exactly true.

Isn't lying to Congress a crime? Or does it only count if its about your sex life?

Posted by: Idiot/Savant on April 14, 2007 at 3:27 AM | PERMALINK

I was just getting ready to ask if perjury charges would be forthcoming? And why did he lie? Did he think that those emails were successfully zapped?

Posted by: Blue Girl, Red State (aka G.C.) on April 14, 2007 at 3:29 AM | PERMALINK

...Isn't lying to Congress a crime?...

Posted by: Idiot/Savant on April 14, 2007 at 3:27 AM | PERMALINK

Yes!

So now squeeze him for every pip, 'til the last drop.

Posted by: notthere on April 14, 2007 at 3:37 AM | PERMALINK

Yo, Globe: I can't find any evidence that they are being suspended pending review, let alone revoked.

When the hell has Bush taken national security seriously? From the summer of threat, the August 2001 PDB, until now... not much. It's a GOP talking point. Vapor.

Josh Marshall posted earlier about a group email regarding Domenici's involvement with Iglesias that was sent out on Feb. 28, 2007, from Jennings, Special Assistant to the President and Deputy Director, Office of Political Affairs to Karl Rove... that included Rove at one of his RNC email accounts, KR@georgewbush.com.

How secure is non-WH email? Not very I'd say.

Posted by: Apollo 13 on April 14, 2007 at 3:38 AM | PERMALINK

Meanwhile, the troop surge has saved the lives of 800 Iraqi civilians in two months.

Oh, by the way, asshole, a massive car-bombing in Karbala just killed 25, body count expected to rise.

You were saying?

Posted by: Blue Girl, Red State (aka G.C.) on April 14, 2007 at 3:39 AM | PERMALINK

And a second bridge has been blown up. They are set on crippling the city. Now they are attacking economics.

Surge is working my ass.

Posted by: Blue Girl, Red State (aka G.C.) on April 14, 2007 at 3:41 AM | PERMALINK

Did he think that those emails were successfully zapped?

His lawyer was claiming some sort of wiggle room in his exact statements, saying that the emails produced today were from a time months ago, and that the candidate names mentioned in the emails had been eliminated from consideration by the time the actual firings happened, so therefore Sampson didn't lie.

Posted by: jimBOB on April 14, 2007 at 3:41 AM | PERMALINK

And the body count from that carbombing is 30.

Posted by: Blue Girl, Red State (aka G.C.) on April 14, 2007 at 3:42 AM | PERMALINK

That is two bridges of twelve, folks. In a city that was a nightmare to navigate before. Traffic jams are already a problem. Closing two bridges exacerbates the problem and creates a lot of sitting ducks, too.

The parliament bombing was a psychological coup. The bridges are strategic coups. Those in charge have underestimated horribly, and now a fierce reckoning is at hand, I am afraid.

Posted by: Blue Girl, Red State (aka G.C.) on April 14, 2007 at 3:47 AM | PERMALINK

Paraeus has talked a good game but I didn't see this actually come into the actions of US forces.

Where is the flexibility? Where is getting into the opponents minds? Where is winning over the population.

Today, I just heard that the US Army is "now" preaching to the troops: "The less enemies on the ground the less casualties". As in don't mistreat or disrespect civilians guilty of nothing.

Ooh. Waking up? No. This will go away with the next change,

We are 4 years in and no actual, real police force. No actual, real "security" force. Absolutely no Iraq army. Wow!

I have no clue what these guys are trying to achieve.

Posted by: notthere on April 14, 2007 at 3:54 AM | PERMALINK

Nor do they. That's the problem.

"The very fundamental issue is, they don't know where the hell they're going," --General Jack Sheehan, on turning down the War Czar billet.

Posted by: Blue Girl, Red State (aka G.C.) on April 14, 2007 at 4:01 AM | PERMALINK

...Closing two bridges exacerbates the problem and creates a lot of sitting ducks, too....

Posted by: Blue Girl, Red State (aka G.C.) on April 14, 2007 at 3:47 AM | PERMALINK

You're right there. And on what you say.

The insurgents are getting ahead on both economic and political news. You only have to imagine how you would feel about the last few days living in Badhdad.

It's alright sitting here. And -- I hate to say it -- but it is so much easier taking an attitude sitting or in the base, but these guys will out think the supression (that's what it is) that we think we can impose.

Posted by: notthere on April 14, 2007 at 4:03 AM | PERMALINK

these guys will out think the supression

They are fighting an existential battle with everything they can get their hands on. When that bit of reality penetrates the bubble of jingoism, then we might get somewhere.

Posted by: Blue Girl, Red State (aka G.C.) on April 14, 2007 at 4:10 AM | PERMALINK

I wonder why the administration wanted to get rid of a few good prosecutore?

The NPR story really moves the scandal along.

Posted by: Ron Byers on April 14, 2007 at 4:30 AM | PERMALINK

Disputo: "But we still have to find a scandal with sex to get Joe six-pack interested."

The scandal surrounding Paul Wolfowitz and his girlfriend should qualify -- although I, for one, find it hard to believe that anyone would willingly boink Paul Wolfowitz.

Posted by: Donald from Hawaii, Where Neocon Troll-Fragging Is Considered Sport on April 14, 2007 at 4:38 AM | PERMALINK

Ron Byers - do you know anything about our new Senate confirmed U.S. Attorney?

(I'll take my answer off the air.)

Posted by: Blue Girl, Red State (aka G.C.) on April 14, 2007 at 4:50 AM | PERMALINK

am: "Meanwhile, the troop surge has saved the lives of 800 Iraqi civilians in two months."

Please turn around and face away from us when talking. That way, when you blow stuff like this out of your ass, listeners will understand that you're merely enunciating.

Posted by: Donald from Hawaii, Where We Proudly Serve Neocons - Usually With Fava Beans and a Nice Chianti on April 14, 2007 at 5:02 AM | PERMALINK

Even if they had fired all 93, it would still have been a stunning thing to do to your own choices, in the middle of your term.

I can find no better proof that these people who post Republican-friendly comments on blogs, who can presumably read and write, are paid RNC cash to talk rubbish, than that they would have us believe that they sincerely and with a straight face think that Clinton replacing the Republican stable of US attorneys with Democratic choices (at the same time as he was replacing George Bush's cabinet with his own picks for SecDef, etc.!) is something remarkable or unusual at the start of a presidency.

Posted by: derek on April 14, 2007 at 5:07 AM | PERMALINK

The original plan to fire all 93 U.S. Attorneys came from Karl Rove "as a way to get political cover for firing the small number of U.S. attorneys the White House actually wanted to get rid of."

Interesting how that knocks the hell out of Orrin Hatch's comments on MTP (4/1/07), when he rattled off the WH' talking points:

SEN. HATCH: He (Pat Leahy) keeps bringing up the Griffin situation, which is the only, the only time that that Patriot Act provision was used, and, and, and Kyle Sampson said he regretted it. If they—if the administration was really misusing that section, they would have appointed a whole raft of other interim U.S. attorneys. They did not do that. So that’s just a pure run-up of the wrong road, like all of this.


Posted by: Maeven on April 14, 2007 at 5:18 AM | PERMALINK

Blue Girl, what's a nice girl like you doing roaming these streets at 3:54 a.m. CDT?

In boldly usurping your question to Ron Byers about your new U.S. Attorney, let me just say that John Wood formerly served as legal counsel to then-Attorney Gen. John Ashcroft, and then as chief of staff for the Department of Homeland Security. I think he was also a general counsel for the White House OMB, but I'm not sure.

Prior to that, I do know that he served on the staff of former U.S. Sen. John Danforth -- you know, way back when Missouri voters still elected Republicans who occasionally showed flashes of common sense, independence and decency.

Posted by: Donald from Hawaii, Where Neocons Must Be Accompanied by an Adult on April 14, 2007 at 5:21 AM | PERMALINK

Oh, yeah -- Mr. Wood is 37 years old, and his wife works at the Department of Homeland Security as Deputy Secretary for Immigration and customs Enforcement.

That's the nice thing about working for the Bush Administration -- they have family plans available.

Posted by: Donald from Hawaii, Where Even Our GOP Governor Is a Proud Pro-Choice Liberal on April 14, 2007 at 5:38 AM | PERMALINK

The Biskupic case may turn out to be the most damning, as the raw opprtunism of the Bushies is grossly evident in that case. TPM thinks so, anyway That's all.

Posted by: The Conservative Deflator on April 14, 2007 at 6:48 AM | PERMALINK

it pains me to say it, but I really don't see where Sampson lied on this one. There is a big difference between "we hadn't selected replacements" and "we had never thought about potential replacements." This isn't semantics, I can't imagine that anyone actually inferred the latter from the former. In any case, what was the motive to lie about this one? does it reflect poorly on anyone that they had given some thought to possible replacements?

Posted by: sklein11 on April 14, 2007 at 8:11 AM | PERMALINK

Could we get some more Plamegate, please? We'd like to see whether Cheney was guilty of treason.

Posted by: JPS on April 14, 2007 at 8:20 AM | PERMALINK

am wrote: "Meanwhile, the troop surge has saved the lives of 800 Iraqi civilians in two months."

Vladi G & BGRS responded, respectively: "Prove it, bitch/fucktard"

am, your deafening silence when asked for proof curiously belies the boldness of your assertion. I've got some facts that may help explain your silence & why you've been unable to cherry-pick the stats to substantiate your surge-o-philia:

Last week the BBC reported official figures compiled by 4 Iraqi ministries that showed, despite the surge, there had been a 13% INCREASE IN CIVILIAN DEATHS across the country in March. .
"...despite a 200% increase in US & Iraqi patrols, the nature of the violence has changed rather than the extent of it." Writes Paul McGeough, Sydney Morning Herald who's been living in & reporting from Iraq since 2003.

Though we are now only mid-way through April the statistics for this month seem likely to be even worse. Certainly for American & British soldiers it is so far the deadliest month on record - with an average of 4.8 US soldiers killed every day, higher than even the worst days of invasion & the deadly assault on Falluja.

With the deadly, strategic Baghdad bridge-bombings & lethal penetration of the ultra-secure Green Zone in the past few days, even the equivocal claims that signs of the surge's efficacy are "mixed", are not based on any verifiable metric. Commenting on the Green Zone suicide bombing, McGeough writes: "This 10 kilometre stretch of prime Baghdad real estate is the oxygen tent in which Washington is trying to keep alive its' tattered dream of democracy in the Middle East. If the bombers can strike here the surge is over and the dream is dead."

In conclusion & less tangentially on the threads subject - Purge-gate, I'd add one speculative factoid: The White House has now admitted that 4 years of WH e-mails, numbering oh, say...5 million-ish? Dana was willing to concede, may well have been deleted/lost (oooops!Hate when that happens!). While others have expressed astonishment at the 5 mill number, by my (admittedly crude) calculations the number is likely to be much, much larger. There are 1700 staff members at the WH. 4 years = 1460 days. If each staff member wrote just 2 e-mails per day (1460 x 2 = 2920 x 1700)- that already equals 4,964,000 e-mails. It's virtually 5 million e-mails @ only 2 sent per day. If WH staffers sent closer to 4 e-mails per day it's 10 million, 8 per day & it's around 20 million missing e-mails...

Watch this number grow.

Posted by: DanJoaquinOz on April 14, 2007 at 8:53 AM | PERMALINK

in today's issue of salon magazine(sat.apr.14)
bill maher refers to bush as president "shit-for-brains". wowweebaby if this term ever really catches on----it's so absolutely perfectly right on the money.
wschneid25

Posted by: wschneid25 on April 14, 2007 at 8:54 AM | PERMALINK

Everyone,

Ever read Malcom Gladwell's "The Tipping Point", which describes how trends and fads develop? Unfortunately for the WH and the RNC the AG/DOJ scandal has tipped: nothing can stop it now. The only question is how many victims it will claim. I think it shows 3 things:

1. How totally corrupt the current administration is;

2. The degree to which the once respectable GOP has fallen;

3. The growing obselesence of the MSM.I always read people saying it but I never really believed it until recently. The blogs (led by Talking Points Memo) have been so far ahead of this (and other important) scandals that they have left the MSM in the dark. Of course, the MSM will continue its role of popular entertainment for the masses, but the thinking classes will increasingly turn to other sources for their news.

Posted by: James M on April 14, 2007 at 9:34 AM | PERMALINK

Oops: Make that Malcolm Gladwell...

Posted by: James M on April 14, 2007 at 9:36 AM | PERMALINK

Weird. Whitehouse officials are walking around with "RNC laptops" so they don't violate the Hatch Act. I suppose they also have "RNC phones", "RNC chairs", "RNC mouse pads", "RNC desks" . . . . hell, maybe the government just rents out the West Wing to the RNC for a nominal fee.

Why didn't the DNC think of this when the Gore controversy came up?

Posted by: B on April 14, 2007 at 9:44 AM | PERMALINK

Harlan Ullman was shocked and awed to hear his name dropped in open court on Thursday!

Posted by: Blue Girl, Red State (aka G.C.) on April 14, 2007 at 3:11 AM

Wasn't there some tiny scandal about Bolton being a swinger? And Jeff Gannon's sleepovers at the whitehouse? Don't count on this scandal having legs just because of sex. Don't even count on it getting widespread coverage for a week before it blows over completely, like most Bush scandals.

If Monica Goodling left work every day wearing a pearl necklace she hadn't been wearing in the morning, that would still never be the scandal of one slightly crusty blue dress. IOKIYAR. It's a proven fact.

Now there's a mental image for ya: W, Abu, Harriet, Karl and poor Monica (in the role of soggy biscuit)! You're welcome. Now clean up your cornflakes and get started on your weekend.

Posted by: jussumbody on April 14, 2007 at 9:51 AM | PERMALINK

GC, Corpus Juris has posted Mr. Wood's bio over at Watching Those We Choose. The Post reports that, like Rachel Paulose, Wood's last job before Kansas City was as counselor to Deputy Attorney General Paul J. McNulty. I guess McNulty gives soon to be US Attorney's on the job training.

Posted by: Ron Byers on April 14, 2007 at 10:32 AM | PERMALINK

BGRS,

Understand that the "Independent Contractor" who worked for the Madam said that she had not been shocked and awed by Harlan.

"I live in a condo" - Is that similar to Frazier's brother who said, "I don't have to give an address, all I have to say is 'I live at the Montana'?"

Posted by: thethirdPaul on April 14, 2007 at 10:47 AM | PERMALINK

Thanks Ron - I saw that. It was my first stop this morning, and I should have had my coffee first so I could be fully devoted to my incredulity.

We just can't catch a break in this town with a US Attorney, can we?

Posted by: Blue Girl, Red State (aka G.C.) on April 14, 2007 at 10:50 AM | PERMALINK

Actually, I live in one of those buildings-that-has-a-name.

Posted by: Blue Girl, Red State (aka G.C.) on April 14, 2007 at 10:52 AM | PERMALINK

Do you live anywhere near Armour Boulevard in KCMO, BGRS? I had a good friend who lived in one of those big apt. buildings (with a name) around Armour Blvd. and Grand in KCMO.

Posted by: The Conservative Deflator on April 14, 2007 at 10:58 AM | PERMALINK

Very, very close.

I'm in old midtown, and just to the north of Valentine. So really close.

By the way - I stole your joke and posted it. With a permalink to your original post, as is my wont when I tap the brain-pool over here.

Posted by: Blue Girl, Red State (aka G.C.) on April 14, 2007 at 11:05 AM | PERMALINK

I am not seeing what big deal is with firing of attorneys. Back home in good old Soviet Union this sort of thing happen all the time, except people not be fired, they be sent to gulag. This be normal, eh? The State is the Party. The Party is the State. Here is like being in Soviet Union again. Not Mother Russia, is Mother America. All for good of Party and State.

Now, excuse please, must go spy on neighbor and report him to secret police.

Posted by: josef on April 14, 2007 at 11:05 AM | PERMALINK

Good points, josef. As we found bullets cured more headaches than Aleve. But, more expensive.

Posted by: Ghost of Laventry Beria on April 14, 2007 at 11:18 AM | PERMALINK

Amazing how the Administration that granted itself the power to monitor all of our email (and does -- my friend who works for an office of a major telecom in a very rural area describes a very secure room that is visited occasionally by FBI guys) oopsie! lost a whole buncha their own emails, can't get 'em back, so sorry.

Posted by: Jean Arf on April 14, 2007 at 11:43 AM | PERMALINK

You go Blue Girl! I kinda like to see this fire in commentary.I don't know about the rest of you but I'm completely fed up with these incompetent criminal assholes ruining the country I was born and raised in. It's high time we started spitting fire.

Posted by: Gandalf on April 14, 2007 at 11:53 AM | PERMALINK

Keep on this story!!
Friday's document dump of 2,394 emails, memos and schedules--plus notes written by Monica Goodling-- clearly confirm that the DOJ weighed political activism and membership in a conservative law group in their appraisals of prosecutors, the process was partisan and politically motivated, and--as we knew-- showed that Mr. "I can't remember 122 times" Kyle Sampson parsed words in an untruthful manner in the Senate Judiciary Committee hearing when he said he "did not have in mind any replacements..."
And Rep. Conyers says that "new documents were not a complete response to our subpoena request..."

The plot thickens--with Tasia Scolinos, the Attorney General's spokesperson having emailed in this ever-evolving conspiracy, well-followed by the media--
"We are trying to MUDDY THE COVERAGE UP a bit by trying to put the focus on the process in which they were told - I suspect we are going to get to the point where DOJ has to say this anyway."

Posted by: consider wisely on April 14, 2007 at 12:12 PM | PERMALINK

Jeffrey Feldman has a good rant about the 5 million "missing" e-mails at Huffington Post.

The question is not who screwed up and "lost" that data? The proper question s Who gave the order to make it lost?

This Administration long ago lost any semblance of a right to a presumption of innocence.

Posted by: Butch on April 14, 2007 at 12:16 PM | PERMALINK

It's high time we started spitting fire.

I do not receive a lot of positive feedback for this strategy, but I think events warrant expressing hostility towrds the leaders, institutions, and followers of the policies and actions that are so detrimental to peace, humanity and good sense.

A lot of people say the Tet Offensive or Cronkite's editorial is what turned public opinion against the Viet Nam War. I disagree. I think it was the live broadcasting of the physical confrontation with police authority at the 1968 Democratic Convention in Chicago that convinced the electorate the war policy had to be changed. We have not had that kind of 'spitting fire' at the occupation of Iraq and the other crimes of the Bush regime. Opposition to both the Iraq occupation and the crimes of Bush has been very timid. Peace vigils do not work to inform the public of the horrors of war or the deep resentment of US war crimes. I do not advocate violence or property destruction, but until real civil disobedience is used to disrupt offending institutions and establishment platitudes, not much is going to change.

It looks like we are going to have to wait out the Bush administration's term in office. I think Democrats will continue to keep their Congressional majority and win the presidency in 2008, so we will have to wait and see if any real change can be made to withdraw US force from the Middle East by the Democrats and bring Bush administration crimes to justice through our limited democratic processes. If they do not, will more people be willing to spit fire to affect real change?

Posted by: Brojo on April 14, 2007 at 12:29 PM | PERMALINK

And the Attorney General, his salary paid by tax-payers, has to CRAM to prepare for his session with the Senate Judiciary Committee:
"During the March 23 session in the A.G.'s conference room, Gonzales was grilled by a team of top aides and advisers--including former Republican National Committee chair Ed Gillespie and former White House lawyer Tim Flanigan--about what he knew about the plan to fire seven U.S. attorneys last fall.
But Gonzales kept contradicting himself and "getting his timeline confused," said one participant who asked not to be identified talking about a private meeting. His advisers finally got "exasperated" with him, the source added.
"He's not ready," Tasia Scolinos, Gonzales's public-affairs chief, told the A.G.'s top aides after the session was over, said the source. Asked for comment, Scolinos told NEWSWEEK: "This was the first session of this kind that we'd done."

Posted by: consider wisely on April 14, 2007 at 12:36 PM | PERMALINK

It looks like we are going to have to wait out the Bush administration's term in office.
Posted by: Brojo on April 14, 2007 at 12:29 PM | PERMALINK

You mean the Bush Administration you helped elect by voting for Ralph Nader?

Posted by: Pat on April 14, 2007 at 1:52 PM | PERMALINK

Wow, Pat. What a clumsy threadjack attempt.

I thought we were talking about high crimes and misdemeanors at the highest levels of government here.

Posted by: distracto on April 14, 2007 at 2:02 PM | PERMALINK

Actually, Disputo, what's clumsy is someone like Brojo coming here and regularly scolding Democrats as being no different from Republicans and tsk-tsk-ing the very events they helped make possible by their vote for Ralph Nader. But, don't mind me, buddy. You keep up your high level discussion.

Posted by: Pat on April 14, 2007 at 2:06 PM | PERMALINK

rnc: Wouldn't be the first time that would have worked. (The original plan to fire all 93 U.S. Attorneys came from Karl Rove "as a way to get political cover for firing the small number of U.S. attorneys the White House actually wanted to get rid of.")


rnc...you posted roughly the same thing on march 29th...

hows that working for ya?

oh...right...

Over the last 25-years only ten US Attorneys have been dismissed other than at the beginning of a new president's term of office. - Congressional Research Service

so bush and rove tried to nearly match that total in

1-day...


Posted by: mr. irony on April 14, 2007 at 2:18 PM | PERMALINK

Why doesn't Sen. Leahy subpoena those docs NOW instead of waiting till the Bushies find a way to really delete them all?

Here is what's on the Froomkin's latest roundup:

A few observations from White House Watch readers:

David Holtzman (who happens to be the author of a book called Privacy Lost) sent the following message:

"There are ways of retrieving deleted emails from servers and reconstructing from backup tapes. The only time that doesn't work, given sufficient resources, is when a determined and systematic effort has been made to expunge the digital record. This is very hard to do, requires professional oversight and leaves a trail."

Congressional investigators -- and journalists -"should insist that the RNC hire an outside consultant to look at backup tapes and their internal (or network hosted) servers in an attempt to reconstruct the missing material. . . .
Not only should they hire a 3rd party to look at the computers, but they should immediately make an 'image' (complete backup copy) of their email servers so that they can't claim that it disappeared again."

And over at TMP it looks like Repugs agree to let a independent counsultant look at the servers.

Should get really interesting.


Posted by: Cheryl on April 14, 2007 at 3:22 PM | PERMALINK

Brojo,

The biggest reason that Nixon won in 1968 was that George Wallace and the racists, north and south, left the Democratic Party.

The second biggest reason was the events in and surrounding the 1968 Democratic Convention in Chicago. Inside the building, it looked like the Democratic Party was coming apart; outside, it looked like the country was coming apart.

It wasn't all about Chicago, of course, but the street protests against the war, particularly those that featured violence, burning American flags, North Viet Nam's flag, "smash the state" rhetoric, references to the police and the government as "pigs," and the like, alienated the middle class from the anti-war movement.

It made Nixon seem reasonable. And he was, after all, promising to end the war.

Our country does not need violent confrontations. What we need is the relentless light of day focused on the corruption and incompetence of the Republican Party and the Bush/Cheney Junta.

Posted by: James E. Powell on April 14, 2007 at 7:39 PM | PERMALINK

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Posted by: Daniel DiRito on April 14, 2007 at 9:33 PM | PERMALINK

For more on the missing RNC emails and DOJ document dumps as well as the latest news, email archives, hearings, legal filings and other essential documents on the Bush DOJ prosecutor firings, see:
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Posted by: AngryOne on April 14, 2007 at 10:50 PM | PERMALINK

It's time for wild west justice.

Get a rope.

Posted by: James on April 15, 2007 at 3:06 PM | PERMALINK

NTodd: "I'm beginning to suspect the Bush administration isn't entirely honest..."

Hmm, you may be on to something, there.

Posted by: Kenji on April 15, 2007 at 7:04 PM | PERMALINK

Pat fucked with Dean's campaign and he is fucking with me because of his party politics. Even though the coward may be a moderate Democrat, he is an establishmentarian who treats the questioning of party authority just as seriously as a rabid Freeper, or any other party enforcer, does.

Posted by: Brojo on April 16, 2007 at 1:09 AM | PERMALINK

James E. Powell, an acquaintance told me it was the killings at Kent State that turned popular opinion against the war.

I am reminded of the civil disobedience of the civl rights movment. Confrontation is not violence, but it does elicit violent reaction. That type of reaction is what turns public opinion against the establishment.

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