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April 19, 2007
By: Kevin Drum

DAVID IGLESIAS....Slate's Emily Bazelon comments on the Gonzales hearing at a Q&A hosted by the Washington Post:

I learned two new things, so far. The first is that Gonzales said that the idea of firing some US attorneys was his. His words "I believe it was my plan." That's the first time I remember him saying that.

The second thing, I think, is that the reasons behind David Iglesias' firing look more fishy, not less. Gonzales acknowledged talking to Sen. Pete Domenici and to President Bush about the voter fraud investigation that preceded Iglesias' firing. He claimed there was nothing "improper" about the firing, and made vague references to Iglesias' lack of aggressiveness. But I haven't heard him offer anything of real substance to counter the allegation that the voter fraud investigation was the real rationale. Since this accusation involves both the core of prosecutorial discretion AND the franchise, all of this should matter.

Yes, exactly. With the other prosecutors, Gonzales has at least made a half-hearted effort to suggest legitimate reasons for their firing. With Iglesias, even after weeks of preparation, he still can't come up with anything. Why? Probably because there isn't anything. Iglesias was fired for not being sufficiently tough on Democrats, but Gonzales can't say that. So he's left with nothing.

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Ask -- if THIS doesn't bug you, what would?

Posted by: theAmeircanist on April 19, 2007 at 3:32 PM | PERMALINK

Iglesias was fired for not being sufficiently tough on Democrats, but Gonzales can't say that.

not without invoking his Fifth Amendment rights he can't.

Posted by: st on April 19, 2007 at 3:37 PM | PERMALINK

Al, that horse is out of the barn. He has already offered failed explainations both public and under oath. In this case, punishing a US Attorney for refusing to bring a premature or unfounded prosecution to impact an election is enough to justify his impeachment.

Posted by: Ron Byers on April 19, 2007 at 3:47 PM | PERMALINK

Am I the only person who has always found Gonzales to be, on every occasion where he's ever opened his mouth, ACTIVELY STUPID? Those empty eyes and the robotic ineffectual manner as he voices platitudes and talking points. There's just no one home. He actually makes...ick, you know who I mean...look like some kind of brainiac.

Posted by: mcftdtr on April 19, 2007 at 3:48 PM | PERMALINK

I might add that Domenici, as well as Gonzalez, is likely to feel the heat on this one.

Posted by: Gregory on April 19, 2007 at 3:53 PM | PERMALINK

He isn't saying anything because Iglesias has made it quite clear that he'll hit back hard at any bullshit.

Plus the original story-line was that Iglesias was out of the office too much. But he was out of the office to serve in the Army (?) Reserve, and it'd be illegal (not to mention a huge political liability) to fire him for that reason...

Posted by: Jon Marcus on April 19, 2007 at 3:56 PM | PERMALINK

Jon, Navy Reserve. "A Few Good Men." Remember.

Posted by: Ron Byers on April 19, 2007 at 4:03 PM | PERMALINK

Iglesias doesn't disturb me nearly as much as the Wisconsin thing, but that's not in the MSM yet, so....

Posted by: Jon on April 19, 2007 at 4:24 PM | PERMALINK

Dominici lawyered up ages ago. And he hired Lee Blalock (did I get that last name right, Ron?). That isn't who you hire to protect a seat. That's who you hire to try to stay out of the slammer.

Posted by: Blue Girl, Red State (aka G.C.) on April 19, 2007 at 4:25 PM | PERMALINK

Jon - We ahve been all over the Wisconsin thing at Watching Those We Chose. But we aren't the MSM.

Posted by: Blue Girl, Red State (aka G.C.) on April 19, 2007 at 4:28 PM | PERMALINK

See... I fired 'em see.
I'm the decider.
So I decide who to fire and who to hire.
That's called being President...see
In other words...
They weren't performing see...
That means they weren't doing their jobs see..
In other words...
They weren't any good.
So I decided see...
To fire 'em...
That's called being a war President see...
It's hard work making decisions.
And we are all working hard...
Including Al Gonzales see...
To fight the terrorists who...
In other words...
9-11
See...

Posted by: President Bush on April 19, 2007 at 4:29 PM | PERMALINK

Uh, isn't the White House's official line that this was Harriet Miers's idea? Who exactly is lying here? Should we use the McClatchy "it was Rove's idea to fire all the attorneys to cover up a few of 'em" article as a tiebreaker?

Besides, one Republican Senator has already said that he's clear these excuses were all made up after the fact. The only remaining question is whether Carol Lam, Iglesias et al were fired for, um, being unpopular (as the Senator speculates) or if they were fired for the half-dozen political reasons that we have documentary evidence for.

Posted by: anonymous on April 19, 2007 at 4:31 PM | PERMALINK

But I haven't heard him offer anything of real substance

This morning when pushed for an explanation as to why Iglesias was fired, Gonzo explained that Iglesias neglected to report to the DOJ the phone calls he received from Dominici and that US Rep pressuring him to indict Dems, and that alone was sufficient for him to be fired.

Who says that Republicans don't understand irony?

Posted by: Disputo on April 19, 2007 at 4:32 PM | PERMALINK

TortureGuy, shortlisted not long ago for SCOTUS. Sheesh, that was close. One wonders whether the White House was concerned about his improprieties even back then?

Posted by: Trollhattan on April 19, 2007 at 4:32 PM | PERMALINK

What kept Gonzo from being nominated for SCOTUS was the religious right, who didn't trust him on abortion... speaking of irony.

Posted by: Disputo on April 19, 2007 at 4:34 PM | PERMALINK

I'm Al!

Posted by: I'm not Al on April 19, 2007 at 4:39 PM | PERMALINK

"While I am grateful for the public service of these seven U.S. attorneys, they simply lost my confidence."
- Alberto Gonzales, March 6th, USA Today Op-Ed

"During those conversations, to my knowledge, I did not make decisions about who should or should not be asked to resign."
- Alberto Gonzales, April 15, Washington Post Op-Ed

For more on the lies and contradictions of Alberto Gonzales, see:
"Gonzales' Sgt. Schultz Defense."

Posted by: AngryOne on April 19, 2007 at 4:43 PM | PERMALINK

It's nice of course to have Gonzales on record contradicting himself, and a resignation would be a satisfying thing.

But we won't get to the real heart of this issue until we see all the relevant emails coursing through the WH.

Keep your eyes on the prize.

Posted by: frankly0 on April 19, 2007 at 4:47 PM | PERMALINK

In my opinion, Gonzales is doing a great job. Because of this. he will probably survive this.

As a member of the Bush administration, the only thing that can get you into trouble is telling the truth. By lying to Congress, by continuously saying "I don't recall", he will be fine.

You see, guys, the playbook has changed. Gonzales can say anything he wants (as long as it isn't true) and the Democrats will be forced to say "he lied"; to which the Republicans will say "no he didn't". Democrats will say "he committed a crime"; to which the Republicans will say "no he didn't".

The media will report the lie and say that the two parties disagree over whether Gonzales was, in fact. lying. The American public, on the other hand, won't care and will continue to watch Fox News and American Idolatry.

If, the other hand, he told the truth, the media would be forced to report it -- after all, they report everything said by this administration as truth, and the Repugs would have to deal with it.

As someone else wrote on another blog. if Bush can survive four years of saying "we are making progress in Iraq", he can survive anything (because the American people don't give a shit as long as they are packing their six shooters and have a fresh bag of chips open).

Posted by: Dicksknee on April 19, 2007 at 4:51 PM | PERMALINK

Disputo, I heard that justification too. Gonzales admitted that originally there was no good reason to fire Iglesias, but when Iglesias told about the pressuring phone calls he proved himself unfit for the office because he hadn't reported
them.

I doubt if it won him any points, no matter how proud of himself he was for doing that hard, Catch 22 thinking.

I've never heard testimony from a public official that was so full of "I don't recalls," "I don't remember exactlys" and "I believes." The "I believes" are the worst. Are WE supposed to believe that he can't remember if a long-term to replace U.S. attorneys was his plan or not?

Some Congressman should ask him if he's giving testimony before Congress and wait for:

"I believe in my mind that I'm here giving testimony before Congress, but don't hold me to it exactly."

Posted by: cowalker on April 19, 2007 at 4:56 PM | PERMALINK

Gonzales will never resign unless ordered to, and they'll never order him to because any successor would have to confirmed by the Senate, while Gonzales, stuck there, can simply absorb any amount of punishment. A successor would have to be more amenable to oversight.


However simply declaring someone 'acting Attorney General for life', a John Bolton type, and daring anyone to make an issue of it, would be exactly what I imagine would follow.

Posted by: cld on April 19, 2007 at 5:20 PM | PERMALINK

First impressions of Gonzales' testimony before the Senate...

Seventy-odd "I cannot recalls" and God knows how many "I wasn't involved/someone else did it".

Posted by: grape_grush on April 19, 2007 at 5:21 PM | PERMALINK

Again, something happened in or around the Nov 27th meeting that Gonzo doesn't want to recall. But the question was, was it a discussion about getting around Senate confirmations for certain districts? A plot to mislead the Senate...which would be...unlawful.

You could see Gonzo's surprise at that Sampson memo from Dec 19th--kind of like he wasn't expecting that to be in the mix or something. Had he actually poured over everything, he'd have known that was coming. Maybe AG AG's handlers are not making him aware of the legal jeopardy he may be in? Or, he just wasn't expecting that document to come to light...after the rest of us have been aware of it for a month?! You'd think one of his deputies would mention something like that, right?

Where the F has this guy been for the past month, anyways? Drinking highballs with Orrin?

Posted by: parrot on April 19, 2007 at 5:21 PM | PERMALINK

from CNN:

"Two senior White House aides here describing the situation, Gonzales’ testimony, as “going down in flames.” That he was “not doing himself any favors.” One prominent Republican describing watching his testimony as “clubbing a baby seal.”"

Posted by: Disputo on April 19, 2007 at 5:21 PM | PERMALINK

However simply declaring someone 'acting Attorney General for life', a John Bolton type, and daring anyone to make an issue of it, would be exactly what I imagine would follow.

Someone better check the legislation that just passed the Senate reversing the USAtty appointment loophole to make sure that Specter didn't insert a secret provision granting GWB authority to appoint an AG without Senate approval.

Posted by: Disputo on April 19, 2007 at 5:24 PM | PERMALINK

parrot on April 19, 2007 at 5:21 PM:

Where the F has this guy been for the past month, anyways? Drinking highballs with Orrin?

Like his real intention was ever to state anything significant.

Posted by: grape_grush on April 19, 2007 at 5:33 PM | PERMALINK

After hours of listening to him describe how he's been running the department, I have to say one of the reasons he ought to resign is that he doesn't think he should resign. No competent person who understood the job could agree he's able to do it.

Posted by: biggerbox on April 19, 2007 at 5:34 PM | PERMALINK

I thought these USA served at the pleasure of the President.So wouldn't the President have to fire them,or do they serve at the pleasure of the Office of President.Meaning Bush may be cluless as to what is going on "ala, Ronald Reagan" in this Whithouse.

Posted by: john john on April 19, 2007 at 5:35 PM | PERMALINK

Congress should give him a day to resign, then another day for GWB to fire him, and then start the impeachment process.

Posted by: Disputo on April 19, 2007 at 5:44 PM | PERMALINK

I thought this line from Bazelon was also interesting, replying ot a question about why Bush hadn't fired Gonzales:

Emily Bazelon: Ah, yes, we at Slate have been asking these questions for weeks on our Gonzo-Meter. I don't have a real explanation. My best guess goes something like this: Bush is loyal to Gonzales. Gonzales has convinced himself he had to do this to defend his own integrity. So the administration let him. Now, though, someone is going to have to make a cold and calculated judgment about whether he has done himself more damage, and if so, needs to (finally) go.


The notion that this goes higher than Gonzales seems to get no traction with all the "serious" commentators.

Posted by: Martin Gale on April 19, 2007 at 5:44 PM | PERMALINK

- A jumper cable walks into a bar, sits down and orders a drink. Bartender says, "I'll serve you, but don't start anything."

- A man walks into a bar with a piece of asphalt under his arm. The man says, "I'll have a beer and a shot of whiskey for the road."

- A dyslexic man walks into a bra.

Posted by: Funny Freddy on April 19, 2007 at 5:46 PM | PERMALINK

Disputo --

screw that. let's go right to step 3

3a impeach Cheney
3b impeach Bush

Posted by: thersites on April 19, 2007 at 5:56 PM | PERMALINK

I wonder how the Latino community feels about Gonzales. Is he what they want as a role model. How do you think Abu feels?

Posted by: aeolius on April 19, 2007 at 5:57 PM | PERMALINK

I have 2 suggestions; first, that KD start a resignation pool and second, start compiling a list of replacements that follow the trend line established with Ashcroft and Gonzalez. I hear Wolfie is looking for work.

Posted by: TJM on April 19, 2007 at 6:03 PM | PERMALINK

Disputo,
From WH press release it is obvious that
the pretzelnit likes watching baby seal get
clubbed.

Posted by: optical weenie on April 19, 2007 at 6:14 PM | PERMALINK

Two fish swim nose first into a cocrete wall,One fish says to the other "Dam"

Posted by: john john on April 19, 2007 at 6:24 PM | PERMALINK

A skeleton walks into a bar and says "Give me a beer and a mop."

A sandwich walks into a bar and orders a drink. The bartender glares and says "look buddy, we don't serve food here."

Posted by: Laff It Up on April 19, 2007 at 6:32 PM | PERMALINK

A priest, a rabbi and a minister walk into a bar. The bartender looks at them and says "what is this? Some kind of a joke?"

Posted by: G.Kerby on April 19, 2007 at 6:38 PM | PERMALINK

C'mon, you guys -- those jokes are almost as lame as Gonzales' testimony this morning.

Posted by: Donald from Hawaii on April 19, 2007 at 6:41 PM | PERMALINK

Dominici's fall may be the best thing to come out of this, besides the knowledge the GOP tried to prevent Democrats from voting.

Posted by: Brojo on April 19, 2007 at 6:43 PM | PERMALINK

I would give my right arm to be ambidextrous.

I have a photogenic memory.

Posted by: Brojo on April 19, 2007 at 6:49 PM | PERMALINK

I can never remember what "eidetic" means.

Posted by: Disputo on April 19, 2007 at 6:52 PM | PERMALINK

Pascal walks into a bar, orders a brandy, and knocks it back.

Bartender asks "will you have another?"

Pascal says, "I think not," and vanishes.

Or was it Montaigne. One of them smartass frogs.

Posted by: thersites on April 19, 2007 at 6:53 PM | PERMALINK

Memory's the second thing to go. I forget what the first is.

Posted by: thersites on April 19, 2007 at 6:55 PM | PERMALINK

300,000,000 Chinese walk into a bar. They sit down at the bar and order a drink. The bartender looks at them warily and says, "We don't see many Chinese in here."

The Chinese drink, lean back and say, "And with this atmosphere of capitalistic exploitation of the honest labor of the masses, you won't see many more, either."

ca 1970

Posted by: cld on April 19, 2007 at 6:59 PM | PERMALINK

(psst...DesCartes)

Posted by: Blue Girl, Red State (aka G.C.) on April 19, 2007 at 7:00 PM | PERMALINK

Or was it Montaigne.

It's gotta be Descartes.

Posted by: frankly0 on April 19, 2007 at 7:00 PM | PERMALINK

Let me see, now.

Bedtime for Gonzo graduated from Harvard Law.
O'Reilly has a Masters from Harvard School of Government.
Bush graduated from Yale and Harvard MBA.

One affirmative action - one legacy and two degrees which were both simply bought and paid for.

And these schools are still accredited?

Posted by: thethirdPaul on April 19, 2007 at 7:02 PM | PERMALINK

(suitably abashed, yet somewhat defensive)
Well, I knew it was a French guy!

Posted by: thersites on April 19, 2007 at 7:04 PM | PERMALINK

...as evidenced by One of them smartass frogs. :)

Posted by: Blue Girl, Red State (aka G.C.) on April 19, 2007 at 7:05 PM | PERMALINK

I feel like I have deja vu and amnesia at the same time.

Posted by: Laff It Up on April 19, 2007 at 7:15 PM | PERMALINK

Maybe this is why,

White House press release,

President Bush was pleased with the Attorney General’s testimony today. After hours of testimony in which he answered all of the Senators’ questions and provided thousands of pages of documents, he again showed that nothing improper occurred. He admitted the matter could have been handled much better, and he apologized for the disruption to the lives of the U.S. Attorneys involved, as well as for the lack of clarity in his initial responses. The Attorney General has the full confidence of the President, and he appreciates the work he is doing at the Department of Justice to help keep our citizens safe from terrorists, our children safe from predators, our government safe from corruption, and our streets free from gang violence.


They're just like the Mayor in His Girl Friday.

Posted by: cld on April 19, 2007 at 7:17 PM | PERMALINK

DeJa-nesia...

Consider Wisely? you got a diagnosis code for that?

Posted by: Blue Girl, Red State (aka G.C.) on April 19, 2007 at 7:17 PM | PERMALINK

Perhaps George Carlin's Duja Ve would work. That is when one looks at something and, suddenly, realizes that they have never seen it before.

Posted by: thethirdPaul on April 19, 2007 at 7:28 PM | PERMALINK

Hey, this is no laughing matter !

Oh, wait...

"The human race has one really effective weapon, and that is laughter." - Mark Twain

Posted by: daCascadian on April 19, 2007 at 7:45 PM | PERMALINK

"Remember the rug?!"

G.W. Bush, April 19 2007

That about sums up everything you need to know about this administration.

Posted by: Sparko on April 19, 2007 at 7:47 PM | PERMALINK

Oh, good lawd.

The silver lining to the GWB admin is that we couldn't possibly ever have a worse president -- could we?

Posted by: Disputo on April 19, 2007 at 7:54 PM | PERMALINK

President Bush was pleased with the Attorney General’s testimony today.

So, Princess Bush is pleased with perjury, deception, obstruction, and incompetence.

Well, we knew that already.

Posted by: anonymous on April 19, 2007 at 8:06 PM | PERMALINK

cld: "300,000,000 Chinese walk into a bar ..."

OK, that's it. One politically incorrect joke deserves another one equally inappropriate -- or perhaps oddly appropriate in describing this White House, depending upon both your sensibilities and your sense of humor.

After a hard day scheming of ways to disenfranchise minorties by eviscerating the 1965 Voting Rights Act, White house Political Advisor Karl Rove and Attorney General Alberto Gonzales decide to go out for cocktails at a very exclusive D.C.-area country club where Rove's a member.

Once seated in the country club's lounge, Rove shouts across the room to a young Italian-American bartender, "Hey, Guido -- stop jerkin' off with your brass knuckles and let's have some service here!"

Of course, the Yale-educated bartender takes offense at Rove's slur, and loudly says so in no uncertain terms. An obviously embarrassed Gonzales walks up to the bar, apologizes profusely for his host's uncouth behavior, and then quietly asks the still-furious Italian-American for a couple of beers.

The irritated bartender stares icily at the attorney general, then yells back across the room to Rove, "Hey, fat-ass -- you know better than to bring a Mexican in here!"

Posted by: Donald from Hawaii on April 19, 2007 at 8:38 PM | PERMALINK

Well, he is the first president ever to enter office with a criminal record.

First year in office set all-time record for most days on vacation by any president in our history, and continued that practice during his term...

Set a record for the most campaign fund raising attempts on Air Force One that any other president in our history.

Set a record for most private bankruptcies filed in a 12 month cycle of any presidency, beating the record which was set during the depression years

Has the most unaccountable presidency ever, with a huge amount of documents "which cannot be found."

Posted by: consider wisely on April 19, 2007 at 8:39 PM | PERMALINK

Unleashing a triffidian menace of lumbering political hatchet men and women in key state prosecutors positions whacking at the opposition with the mechanism of government while we the people turn blind eyes to the peril.

Posted by: Bill Masen on April 19, 2007 at 9:29 PM | PERMALINK

Gonzo gone.

Posted by: angryspittle on April 19, 2007 at 9:48 PM | PERMALINK

Alberto Gonzales balls,
Are the detachable, rearrangeable kind,
That, I would say,
Aren't enough for today,
But will be for those Left Behind

Posted by: cld on April 19, 2007 at 9:49 PM | PERMALINK

Shouldn't such a poor memory be prima facie evidence of his unsuitability to be AG? (Seriously)

Posted by: TheSophist on April 19, 2007 at 9:50 PM | PERMALINK

americanchronicle.com has this:

"...Journalist Jerome Corsi went public on March 27th with an astonishing new investigation that implicates both U.S. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales and U.S. Attorney Johnny Sutton in the cover-up of a pedophilia scandal involving the Texas Youth Commission (TYC).

The story made national news on March 8th, when the Texas legislature’s Joint Committee on Operations and Management of the Texas Youth Commission were forced to take testimony from Texas Ranger Brian Burzynski after the scandal was made public in Texas newspapers..."

Posted by: consider wisely on April 19, 2007 at 9:53 PM | PERMALINK

Martin Gale: The notion that this goes higher than Gonzales seems to get no traction with all the "serious" commentators.

Andrew Cohen at the WaPo did an extensive four-part series about a month ago that does a good job of covering the Bush-Gonzales relationship; see Rough Justice - The Case Against Alberto Gonzales.

Given the rather unique and codependent Bush-Gonzales relationship, I have doubts as to whether Bush will let go of him--without a smoking gun or a serious increase in pressure by Congress. As a commentator remarked some time ago (paraphrase), "Bush's AG is the role Gonzales was born for". I doubt there's another one who stands a snowball's chance of being confirmed.

Posted by: has407 on April 19, 2007 at 10:01 PM | PERMALINK

Was it Mao who said kill all the lawyers first?

Posted by: tomas del sol on April 19, 2007 at 10:08 PM | PERMALINK

"The first thing we do is kill all the lawyers." Shakespeare from Henry the VI.

It wasn't an appeal to lynch the barristers. It was mocking and rueful, intended to eliminate those who might stand in the way of a contemplated revolution -- thus underscoring the important role that lawyers can play in society.

Posted by: Blue Girl, Red State (aka G.C.) on April 19, 2007 at 10:14 PM | PERMALINK

The pervasive, dysfunctional loyalty and co-dependency we continue to see will topple this administration and secure the presidency for democrats in 2008

Posted by: consider wisely on April 19, 2007 at 10:17 PM | PERMALINK

Over at salon.com, Glenn Greenwald nails it:

"....But it is hard not to have some mixed feelings over all of that, because what Alberto Gonzales did today -- and what he has done in this scandal since its inception -- is what he has been doing for the last six years, and particularly, during the last two years during his tenure as Attorney General. He has repeatedly lied to Congress, evaded their questions, concealed wrongdoing, expressed contempt for oversight and checks, particularly when it comes to the actions of the Leader, whom -- even as Attorney General -- he still plainly sees as his client and whose interests are his paramount, really his only, priority.

That is what Alberto Gonzales is -- he is a supremely loyal servant of George Bush and he was installed as the nation's chief law enforcement officer precisely because of that attribute. There really is very little he would not do, if there is anything, in service to the White House. And that has been evident for quite some time.

Nor is there anything unique about Gonzales himself. His conduct is the conduct of this administration, and his mindset is its mindset. The U.S. Attorneys scandal is merely illustrative, not unique in any way -- except that Bush's weakened state and subpoena power in the hands of Democrats have combined to produce slightly more oversight and scrutiny than before..."

Posted by: consider wisely on April 19, 2007 at 10:32 PM | PERMALINK

I don't get the 300,000,000 Chinese joke.

Posted by: Emma Anne on April 19, 2007 at 10:43 PM | PERMALINK

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2006/04/30/bush_challenges_hundreds_of_laws/?page=full

What Bush does in his office time.

Posted by: Zit on April 19, 2007 at 10:48 PM | PERMALINK

We must not make a scarecrow of the law,
Setting it up to fear the birds of prey,
And let it keep one shape, till custom make it
Their perch and not their terror.
--Measure for Measure

A knave; a rascal; an eater of broken meats; a base, proud, shallow, beggarly, three-suited, hundred-pound, filthy, worsted-stocking knave; a lily-livered, action-taking knave.
--King Lear

Ah yes. They had people like Gonzales back in the day.

Posted by: notthere on April 19, 2007 at 10:55 PM | PERMALINK

Has John McCain lost his mind? -- singing "Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran" at a campaign function?

Posted by: TruthTeller on April 19, 2007 at 10:55 PM | PERMALINK

I've been calling it the Straight Jacket Express for a while now.

Posted by: Blue Girl, Red State (aka G.C.) on April 19, 2007 at 10:59 PM | PERMALINK

Am I the only one who is starting to believe that Iglesias would make a better AG than AG AG?

Posted by: parrot on April 19, 2007 at 11:08 PM | PERMALINK

It wasn't an appeal to lynch the barristers.

So, you're just another Gonzales lover.

Either they're all bad or they're all good. I can't deal with more than that. Which is it?

Posted by: Mr. G on April 19, 2007 at 11:19 PM | PERMALINK

I've never heard testimony from a public official that was so full of "I don't recalls," "I don't remember exactlys" and "I believes." --Cowalker

Actually, in light of this article, the word I've been on the lookout for is "concensus." Plenty of instances of Abu G hiding behind that one, and Metcalfe's explanation of its importance is one of the most incisive insights into how the whole administration gets across what must be done--particularly the things that involve unethical or corrupt behavior--while shifting the blame downward.

But the process of agency functioning, however, became dramatically different almost immediately after Gonzales arrived. No longer was emphasis placed on accomplishing something with the highest-quality product in a timely fashion; rather, it became a matter of making sure that a "consensus" was achieved, regardless of how long that might take and with little or no concern that quality would suffer in such a "lowest common denominator" environment. And heaven help anyone, career or noncareer employee, if that "consensus" did not include whatever someone in the White House might think about something, be it large, small or medium-sized.

In short, the culture markedly shifted to one in which avoiding any possibility of disagreement anywhere was the overriding concern, as if "consensus" were an end unto itself.

Posted by: DrBB on April 19, 2007 at 11:24 PM | PERMALINK

"Alas poor Gonzo. I knew him Horatio. A man of infinite loyalty but no character. None. Zero. Nada. Null. Kein idee. Zilch."

An amoral mouther of words scripted from the immoral blossom of turds. Would not perjury by any other name still smell of Rove?

Reading "Shakespeares" is not quite the life-changing epiphany for these guys as say, people of average discernment.

Posted by: Sparko on April 19, 2007 at 11:34 PM | PERMALINK

Hey, Sparko, that's some nice phrase-turning there. An amoral mouther of words scripted from the immoral blossom of turds.

An here I woulda just called either one of 'em a mendacious m*therf*cker.

Posted by: DrBB on April 19, 2007 at 11:41 PM | PERMALINK

parrot, a parrot would make a better AG than Abu G.

I pretty much listened to all except the first half hour or so.

What I noticed was the number of times he said "That's a good question, senator...." and then completely failed to answer the question in any way, sometimes to the point of the senator having to remind him that that wasn't what he was asked.

Obviously the senators believe that they are being given a snow job by a rank amateur. It offends their intelligence. Any one of the senators who bothered to question searchingly exposed him completely.

What I can't work out is if he is just so stupid and shameless that he can lie this way, or if he is so stupid and delusional as to his "cleverness" that he can lie this way.

Anyway, NPR was desribing him as pretty pale through the afternoon session, if not green. What standards does the President have? That's the question now.

Posted by: notthere on April 19, 2007 at 11:42 PM | PERMALINK

So, you're just another Gonzales lover.

(picking jaw up from floor)

Um..no. Just intellectually honest.

And it's a pet peeve of mine that that passage is so perpetually misquoted and misunderstood.

Posted by: Blue Girl, Red State (aka G.C.) on April 19, 2007 at 11:51 PM | PERMALINK

(picking jaw up from floor)

Relax. Just anticipating the loonies. Thought the "all good/all bad" might have made that clear. Seemingly, all snark does not work. (Some does.)

Posted by: Mr. G on April 20, 2007 at 12:02 AM | PERMALINK

(**chastened**)

Sorry - don't know you that well yet, and I've had a really bad day on the frustrating side of the template code.

Posted by: Blue Girl, Red State (aka G.C.) on April 20, 2007 at 12:05 AM | PERMALINK

Did anyone see the Daily Show Tonight? Did Daily Show dub in the words when Gonzales said "National Math Week?" It sure sounded like Gonzales said it.

Posted by: gullible on April 20, 2007 at 12:05 AM | PERMALINK

...so I'm probably a bit more prickly than my usual bitchy self.

Posted by: Blue Girl, Red State (aka G.C.) on April 20, 2007 at 12:06 AM | PERMALINK

Until TruthTeller posted the McCain stupidity I'd missed it completely. Thanks

So just a reminder of the present administration's double standards as to terrorism. It's OK when they work for us and we've got our own terrorism to hide.

Today, the illegal alien Cuban Luis Possada Carriles was released on $350,000 bail, flown from New Mexico to Miami in a private jet and driven to his wife's home. This is the man that Venezuela wants extradited for bombing a 'plane and killing 73 people, including students and children, from a variety of nations.

Golly gee, that sounds a whole lot better than extraordinary rendition, doesn't it?

Come to think of it, Abu G is darned lucky the senate don't have their own program. Abu G nabbed as he leaves Congress, flown to say Syria (or the disenfranchised voters of Florida), the senate would have all the "correct" answers they wanted within, oh, about 10 minutes.

Posted by: notthere on April 20, 2007 at 12:12 AM | PERMALINK

BGRS: Maybe this will make you smile. On the Daily Show tonight they played a lot of clips from today's hearing. One involved Gonzalez saying that he had checked his calendar and seen that he had attended a meeting on a particular day (one of the big days when USAs were discussed) but that he honestly didn't remember being there. He then said that the week had been hectic. He'd gone to Mexico for the inauguration of the president and the meeting had taken place on "National Math Day." I swear to God it looks like he really said it!!! That's impossible, isn't it?

Posted by: gullible (aka nepeta) on April 20, 2007 at 12:14 AM | PERMALINK

BGRS(akaGC): Templates are the work of heathens, under orders from Satan. They are not mentioned once in The Bible (PBUI). What does that tell you?

Posted by: Mr. G on April 20, 2007 at 12:18 AM | PERMALINK

notthere: What I can't work out is if he is just so stupid and shameless that he can lie this way, or if he is so stupid and delusional as to his "cleverness" that he can lie this way.

I'd go for 6 parts shameless, 2 parts delusional, 1 part ignorant, and 1 part stupid. However, we're splitting hairs when it comes positions such as the US AG--any one of the categories pretty much encompasses all the others.

As John Dean put it "...[Gonzalez] I suspect is a terrific Texas real estate attorney."

Posted by: has407 on April 20, 2007 at 12:19 AM | PERMALINK

Thanks for the smiles, guys. I knew that just closing the tab and coming over here for a bit would be therapeutic.

Posted by: Blue Girl, Red State (aka G.C.) on April 20, 2007 at 12:28 AM | PERMALINK

Just curious I looked him up in Wikipedia.

Posted by: cld on April 20, 2007 at 12:35 AM | PERMALINK

"...[Gonzalez] I suspect is a terrific Texas real estate attorney."

I don't think he is even that. He is so bottomlessly mediocre as, it seemed is Sampson, I am just stunned they have had this ride. If this is the best and brightest of the Republican Party -- and we know what their hardcore supporters are like -- the party is in dire straights.

I hope.

Posted by: notthere on April 20, 2007 at 12:51 AM | PERMALINK

By the way, I think Emily Bazelon is confused. IIRC, it was not a voter fraud investigation that Domenici called Iglesias about. Republicans did think that Iglesias was not sufficiently tough on "voter fraud" (i.e. minority disenfranchisement), but the particular case Domenici complained to Gonzales and Bush was a corruption investigation involving a Democrat. Apparently the case had merit enough for an indictment (which happened recently) but it was the timing that was the issue.

Posted by: womanhattan on April 20, 2007 at 7:36 AM | PERMALINK

The real problem which Gonzales demonstrated is that he has the management skills of a rock and the leadership skills of one of the slugs under the rock.

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