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April 24, 2007
By: Kevin Drum

BUSH FATIGUE....Mitt Romney says Jeb Bush would be a presidential front-runner if his name weren't Bush. Larry King asked George Bush Sr. if he thought that was true:

"There's something to that," he said. "There might be a little Bush fatigue now."

A little?

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Might be? I will not vote for a Bush, a live Bush or a burning Bush, a green Bush or a dead Bush for as long as I live. Not that I ever did vote for either Bush.

Posted by: Tigershark on April 24, 2007 at 1:54 AM | PERMALINK

And that, friends, is part of the real reason that Poppy burst into tears a few months ago when reflecting on his sons' political careers. I can imagine it's a tempting thought -- "But what if we'd pushed the competent one on the public?"

Good that GWHB is realistic about it. That alone means he's miles ahead of the President.

Posted by: Equal Opportunity Cynic on April 24, 2007 at 1:58 AM | PERMALINK

I think Paris Hilton has bush fatigue...

Posted by: craigie on April 24, 2007 at 2:13 AM | PERMALINK

Aren't "Bush Fatigues" the nickname the soldiers in Iraq gave their unarmored uniforms?

Posted by: Disputo on April 24, 2007 at 2:24 AM | PERMALINK

The Republicans are tired of all the beating around the Bush.
The Democrats are tired of being Bushwhacked.
In other words, people are simply Bushed.

Posted by: John dh on April 24, 2007 at 2:28 AM | PERMALINK

When the President was asked about his father's comments, he expressed full confidence in him. "He's doing a heckuva job, uh, really. He answered the questions with, uh, honesty and honestly. Uh, he enjoys my full support."

Posted by: TomStewart on April 24, 2007 at 4:53 AM | PERMALINK

The treachery and underhandedness of the Bush family knows no bounds. The Bush family is not through with politics. Watch Jeb run in 2012.

Posted by: The Conservative Deflator on April 24, 2007 at 5:15 AM | PERMALINK

But then again, if Jeb's last name WEREN'T Bush, he wouldn't have the name recognition and most likely he wouldn't even be mentioned for 2008.

Posted by: captcrisis on April 24, 2007 at 6:06 AM | PERMALINK

Funny how six years of lies and mass murder will do that to a guy.

Posted by: Kenji on April 24, 2007 at 7:46 AM | PERMALINK

How about a Constitutional amendment preventing ANY member of the Bush family from EVER holding political office again?


Posted by: bdrube on April 24, 2007 at 7:48 AM | PERMALINK

I kind of doubt Jeb will run, but I wouldn't be a bit surprised to see George P. run somewhere post-2012.

And with the way things have gone since last November and a two-year presidential campaign ahead, I think we'll all be pretty fed-up with politicians in general in the very near future (if we're not there already).

Posted by: Yankee Sailor on April 24, 2007 at 7:50 AM | PERMALINK

bdrube said:

How about a Constitutional amendment preventing ANY member of the Bush family from EVER holding political office again?
Add the Clintons to that amendment and you've got a deal!

Posted by: Yankee Sailor on April 24, 2007 at 7:53 AM | PERMALINK

Bush fatigue? Hell, no! I'm just getting fired up for some heavy Bush-whacking now that the tide is starting to turn. And with pleasure will keep kicking until Texans and neo-cons are as unwelcome as are commies (okay, that was a gratuitous swipe at Texas but for chrissakes stop sending your Bush-leaguers to Washington).

Posted by: snicker-snack on April 24, 2007 at 7:57 AM | PERMALINK

How about a Constitutional amendment preventing ANY member of the Bush family from EVER holding political office again?

or...

that talked about Mission to Mars, it should be the entire Bush clan that gets the honor of being in that first capsule. Oh and have some of their young Republican Iraq hirelings calculate the entry angle and velocity required.

Posted by: snicker-snack on April 24, 2007 at 8:03 AM | PERMALINK

GHW Bush was a little more competent than junior, but he failed miserably in his response to hurricane Andrew. He pardoned all the Iran-Contra criminals so the truth about illegal activities would not come out. No Bush should ever again be elected president. A president should do what is best for the American people, not be a representative of special interest elites the way Daddy and junior have been. The evidence shows that Jeb is no less self serving and wedded to special interests than the rest of the clan.

Posted by: bakho on April 24, 2007 at 8:07 AM | PERMALINK

Umm, no he wouldn't be a frontrunner.

No one would have ever heard of Jeb if his last name wasn't Bush, so how could he be a front runner in a Presidental race with out that last name?

Hell, he wouldn't have even won the governorship of Florida with out that last name.

Mitt just keeps getting dumber and dumber.

Posted by: caleb on April 24, 2007 at 8:11 AM | PERMALINK

If the cards fall just the right way, the US might never have to have a President not named either Bush or Clinton. The sequence would be GHWB, WJC, GWB, HRC, GPB, CVC, and then a Bush/Clinton to be named later. When Chelsea marries into the Bush family....

I love being in a country without a political aristocracy. Well, I would if I did live in one. Hell, let's just name a monarch and be done with this electoral nonsense.
Long live the....

Posted by: TJM on April 24, 2007 at 8:13 AM | PERMALINK

Of course, conversely, Jeb might have been the one with the stellar political future had he not been named "Jeb" (with that moniker, winning a southern governorship is as good as you get). Ah, George H.W., if you had only switched your sons' names at birth.

Posted by: Vincent on April 24, 2007 at 8:46 AM | PERMALINK

In this case, the sins of the son are even worse than the father. What does the bible say about that?

Posted by: Kenji on April 24, 2007 at 8:46 AM | PERMALINK

Equal Opportunity wrote: "I can imagine it's a tempting thought -- "But what if we'd pushed the competent one on the public?"

That was the point of Bush Sr.'s breakdown at the Florida legislature. Jeb's loss in the governor's race pushed George W ahead of Jeb (who had been the anointed one), and opened the door for the W disaster.

Posted by: JIm Bartle on April 24, 2007 at 8:53 AM | PERMALINK

We should be thankful the Resident was George W and not Jeb. Jeb would have done the same evil, but more competently. America would have noticed even less, and would be worse off.

Posted by: Archie on April 24, 2007 at 9:08 AM | PERMALINK

Craigie asks whether Paris Hilton has Bush fatigue.

I believe she buys them at the Gap - Cute little paramilitary muftis.

Posted by: thethirdPaul on April 24, 2007 at 9:25 AM | PERMALINK

Shrub likes to look soooo very "Macho Military" in his Bush Fatigue Jacket - But, then, as he says, a politician should never tell the military what to do.

Do CinCs ever run for political office?

Posted by: stupid git on April 24, 2007 at 9:28 AM | PERMALINK

Are you guys telling me that a dick in hand is better than two in the bush?

Posted by: gregor on April 24, 2007 at 9:29 AM | PERMALINK

The last word on Bush Fatigue:

Ladies and Gentlemen: The Teutonic Titwillow, Lili von Shtupp.

Posted by: Davis X. Machina on April 24, 2007 at 9:40 AM | PERMALINK

(okay, that was a gratuitous swipe at Texas but for chrissakes stop sending your Bush-leaguers to Washington).
Posted by: snicker-snack

How about our Molly Ivans, Bill Moyers, Jim Hightower and Walt Cronkite?

And the Bushes are from CONNECTICUT and their family fortune had its roots in Standard Oil of New Jersey! Just one of a host of oil carpetbaggers.

Karl Rove is from DENVER CO.

"The America I loved is gone." - Kurt Vonnegut

Posted by: MsNThrope on April 24, 2007 at 9:43 AM | PERMALINK

And, sorry to say, Scott Bloch, from another thread is from the University of Kansas.

No Rock Chalk for that tripe.

Posted by: thethirdPaul on April 24, 2007 at 9:48 AM | PERMALINK

How about our Molly Ivans, Bill Moyers, Jim Hightower and Walt Cronkite?

Actually sent an email to a friend not two hours ago mentioning three of those four names.

Posted by: snicker-snack on April 24, 2007 at 9:58 AM | PERMALINK

And a little fanfare for the late, great Ann Richards, please.

Posted by: thethirdPaul on April 24, 2007 at 10:02 AM | PERMALINK

Stevie Ray Vaughn

Posted by: Disputo on April 24, 2007 at 10:11 AM | PERMALINK

If Jeb's name weren't Bush, he'd be a mid-level businessman somewhere in Connecticut. He's profited plenty from his name, and now he's experiencing a little of the downside. And he's got a lot of sleazy baggage in his closet as well, so he might not be inclined to run anyway. This way he can blame his brother for ruining it for him.

As for "Bush fatigue," a lot of people already had developed that when Poppy was Vice President, and there's been a lot of foul water under the bridge since then. Now it's more like "Bush clinical depression."

Posted by: sullijan on April 24, 2007 at 10:15 AM | PERMALINK

Well, of course, Bush Nausea would be a more apt term.

Posted by: frankly0 on April 24, 2007 at 10:27 AM | PERMALINK

And a little fanfare for the late, great Ann Richards, please.
Posted by: thethirdPaul

Absolutely. Just don't credit her with the 'born on third base' quote which belongs to Barry Switzer. She just applied in to aWol.

"A nickel ain't worth a dime anymore." - Yogi Berra

Posted by: MsNThrope on April 24, 2007 at 10:33 AM | PERMALINK

snicker-snack: Oh and have some of their young Republican Iraq hirelings calculate the entry angle and velocity required.

That's right. Anti-abortion heterosexual Bushies are genetically qualified to do anything at all without training, education or experience.

Posted by: cowalker on April 24, 2007 at 10:50 AM | PERMALINK

To play on a quip from a Seinfeld episode, at some point long ago, "Poppy got sloppy".

Posted by: stupid git on April 24, 2007 at 10:50 AM | PERMALINK

I think what Mitt meant to say was, Jeb Bush would be a front-runner for the nomination if his brother weren't the worst President since Hoover. As others have noted, the family name is the only reason he made it as far as Governor of Florida; his problem isn't the family name. It's the millions of Americans who are bitterly kicking themselves that they re-elected his brother. I think that's the thing that makes W's slide so vicious & irreversible: a lot of voters know THEY made a mistake in voting for him, so every day they see him up there is a blow to their opinion of their own judgement.

Posted by: Tom on April 24, 2007 at 11:00 AM | PERMALINK

Jeff Gannon has Bush fatigue; however, that fatigue may be more physical than mental.

Posted by: NSA Mole on April 24, 2007 at 11:13 AM | PERMALINK

Ridiculous. If Jeb was not named Bush, he would not even have Governor in his title.

Posted by: Brojo on April 24, 2007 at 11:48 AM | PERMALINK

Willie Nelson!

Posted by: thersites on April 24, 2007 at 11:55 AM | PERMALINK

If Jeb's name weren't Bush, he'd be a mid-level businessman somewhere in Connecticut.

And if Dumbya's name weren't Bush, he'd be a homeless whino living off the welfare state and the handfuls of change he gets from sympathetic strangers. He's not qualified to take my garbage.

Posted by: MeLoseBrain? on April 24, 2007 at 11:56 AM | PERMALINK

mhr: Sure there's Bush fatigue. But there's more Clinton fatigue.

Yeah. Remember all those needless deaths Clinton caused with his "war of choice?" Remember the death squads in El Salvador when Gore was VP? What? You don't? Me neither.

Posted by: thersites on April 24, 2007 at 11:57 AM | PERMALINK

Sure, mere hapless retard (mhr), who would win a run-off between Bubba and Dumbya? It wouldn't even be close.

Posted by: MeLoseBrain? on April 24, 2007 at 11:58 AM | PERMALINK

But there's more Clinton fatigue.

That explains the boatloads of cash and the poll numbers!

Posted by: Blue Girl, Red State (aka G.C.) on April 24, 2007 at 12:07 PM | PERMALINK

But there's more Clinton fatigue.

And remember how tedious it was when the President of our country used to go overseas and be greeted by cheering crowds? Man, I hated that!

Posted by: thersites on April 24, 2007 at 12:24 PM | PERMALINK

I dunno about anyone else, but eight years of peace and prosperity is about my limit. It was just getting downright tedious.

Posted by: Blue Girl, Red State (aka G.C.) on April 24, 2007 at 12:27 PM | PERMALINK

Of course, conversely, Jeb might have been the one with the stellar political future had he not been named "Jeb" (with that moniker, winning a southern governorship is as good as you get). Ah, George H.W., if you had only switched your sons' names at birth.

More than a few people seem to not be aware that "Jeb" is his nickname based on his initials. His full name is John Ellis Bush.

Posted by: Disputo on April 24, 2007 at 1:09 PM | PERMALINK

But for the media's Clinton fatigue in 2000, W would have lost to Gore by a much wider margin, positioning Jeb for a 2008 run.

Posted by: emartin on April 24, 2007 at 1:19 PM | PERMALINK

So Poppy was really crying because he realized he should NOT have bought Florida for the Little Idiot. It is HIS fault that the Good Son is now relagated to a future of $90,000 corporate board meetings and $50,000 speeches on the ReThug rubber chicken circuit.

Posted by: Cal Gal on April 24, 2007 at 1:52 PM | PERMALINK

Jeb can change his name to say, Weed.

Posted by: Matt on April 24, 2007 at 3:04 PM | PERMALINK

58% say they wish the Bush presidency were simply over. - Newsweek 1/27/07

wonder how much higher it is now?

Posted by: mr. irony on April 24, 2007 at 3:05 PM | PERMALINK

I don't think Jebbie would have been governor of Florida if his name weren't Bush. And if he weren't governor of Florida in November of 2000, we wouldn't be experiencing such an acute case of Bush fatigue now. What goes around comes around, and it couldn't be coming around to a more deserving bunch.

Posted by: cmac on April 24, 2007 at 3:22 PM | PERMALINK

Bush fatigue or not, one thing's for sure: Anytime you put a presidential candidate named Bush together with a state named Florida, you're just asking for 4 more years of misery.

Posted by: Zoob on April 24, 2007 at 3:29 PM | PERMALINK

January 20, 2009 will be exactly like taking a shit.

Posted by: chance on April 24, 2007 at 3:30 PM | PERMALINK

January 20, 2009 will be exactly like taking a shit.

Except it's going to take a lot of paper to clean up afterwards.

Hey, lookit the time! This thread dead?

Posted by: thersites on April 24, 2007 at 5:35 PM | PERMALINK

Not dead, Thersites -- just terminally fatigued.

Posted by: T Paine on April 24, 2007 at 6:46 PM | PERMALINK

More than a few people seem to not be aware that "Jeb" is his nickname based on his initials. His full name is John Ellis Bush.
Posted by: Disputo

J.E.B. Stuart = James Ewell Brown Stuart

And then there's his rather infamous descendant Jeb Stuart McGruder

Posted by: MsNThrope on April 25, 2007 at 9:50 AM | PERMALINK

Yankee Sailor - bdrube said:


How about a Constitutional amendment preventing ANY member of the Bush family from EVER holding political office again?
Add the Clintons to that amendment and you've got a deal!

Would you settle on a 40 year limit on any first or second degree relative holding the office of President? (first=spouse, child, parent, sibling; second cousin, grandchild, etc.

But I'll sign up for your version if you won't sign up for mine.

Posted by: CapitalistImperialistPig on April 25, 2007 at 3:33 PM | PERMALINK

Fatigue or not, Paris (and Britney) (reputedly) got rid of their Bushes - we need to do the same.

Posted by: CapitalistImperialistPig on April 25, 2007 at 3:35 PM | PERMALINK




 

 

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