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May 21, 2007
By: Kevin Drum

"WEIRD OR BEARDED"....Taegan Goddard highlights this line from the Economist's roundup of last week's Republican debate:

Meanwhile Fox News, which broadcast the debate, continued its tradition of balancing good-looking conservative pundits with liberals who look either weird or bearded.

Weird or bearded? Somebody help me out here. Who were the pundits on display that evening?

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Ann Coulter is both.

Posted by: Chocolate Thunder on May 21, 2007 at 1:34 PM | PERMALINK

Do you mean that Pat Caddell still claims to be not only liberal, but a Democrat as well?

Posted by: thethirdPaul on May 21, 2007 at 1:34 PM | PERMALINK

It's not like you have to look hard to find an example of weirdly bearded liberality. You radical leftists have been sporting unpruned facial foliage to demonstrate your contempt for "authority" for nigh unto 50 years now. I don't mind a little facial hair when it's neatly tended, but you fellows always manage to lose bits of Boca burger and pot seeds in yours.

Posted by: Norman Rogers on May 21, 2007 at 1:39 PM | PERMALINK

I think Goddard watched the debate on a Tom Tomorrow strip or something like that.

Posted by: lampwick on May 21, 2007 at 1:41 PM | PERMALINK

It's an 'either/or' qualification, eh? So my choice is electroshock or 'Lectric Shave?

Posted by: wishIwuz2 on May 21, 2007 at 1:47 PM | PERMALINK

Forget it... the Economist lost the plot around 2000. I read every issue for 4 years and then some new editor took over and it became a wild-eyed, proselytizer of the neocon "trickle down the supply of kool-aid to the masses" ideology.

Oh, look at their pompom support of the war. Such adamant supporters... So SURE it was a great move by a decisive and resolute President. Have they finally admitted the war is a clusterfck yet? That's one climbdown article I want to frame...

Posted by: Jaded on May 21, 2007 at 1:49 PM | PERMALINK

Norman shows wit today. Good show.

Posted by: troglodyte on May 21, 2007 at 1:50 PM | PERMALINK

"good-looking conservative pundits?"
I guess if Max Headroom is your standard of beauty . . . But next to John Gibson even I'd look handsome.

Posted by: Steve Paradis on May 21, 2007 at 1:50 PM | PERMALINK

Does it have to be an either/or?
I'm no pundit but I think I could qualify for both.

But I did prune it, Norman. Honest Abe I did.

Posted by: thersites on May 21, 2007 at 1:54 PM | PERMALINK

If this is true it shouldn't be surprising. Fox Snooze ™ only puts "liberal" commentators on for their cadre of thuglicans to pummel with their overbearing nonsense. I'm sure they pick the dorkiest, freakiest wimps they can find to represent the left wing. Not all their conservative commentators are good looking though, Charles Krauthammer for example looks like he just crawled out a grave and is hungry for brains.

Posted by: Orion on May 21, 2007 at 1:54 PM | PERMALINK

Jeez, people! Can you answer the damn question instead of pontificating? If you don't know the answer, just shut up!

Posted by: buck on May 21, 2007 at 2:06 PM | PERMALINK

Clearly, buck's wild and woolly countenance is causing him discomfort as spring temperatures ascend, rendering him a bit crotchety.

Posted by: Norman Rogers on May 21, 2007 at 2:11 PM | PERMALINK

The Democratic debate had Brian Williams, Dan Rather, David Stanton of WIS, Elizabeth "Mission Accomplished" Bumiller, and Andrew Kirtzman.

The Republican debates have had Chris Matthew, John Harris and Jim Vandehei of Politico.com, and then that Hume/Wallace/Goler gaggle from Fox News.

Posted by: Tx Bubba on May 21, 2007 at 2:15 PM | PERMALINK

"Charles Krauthammer for example looks like he just crawled out a grave and is hungry for brains."

LOL Funniest think I've read today.

Posted by: markg8 on May 21, 2007 at 2:17 PM | PERMALINK

I think we're mainly talking Pat Caddell, although Fox is being bashful with transcripts.

Posted by: bob somerby on May 21, 2007 at 2:18 PM | PERMALINK

Jeez, people! Can you answer the damn question instead of pontificating? If you don't know the answer, just shut up!
Posted by: buck on May 21, 2007 at 2:06 PM | PERMALINK

Dude, this is a blog - bloviation central!

Posted by: rusrus on May 21, 2007 at 2:19 PM | PERMALINK

What a great theme for a new game show, Weird or Bearded? Hosted by some 3rd rate leftover comedian.

Posted by: No Quarter on May 21, 2007 at 2:19 PM | PERMALINK

"Meanwhile Fox News, which broadcast the debate, continued its tradition of balancing good-looking conservative pundits with liberals who look either weird or bearded." Fox News had "liberals" comment on the debate? Who knew?

Posted by: Ron Byers on May 21, 2007 at 2:23 PM | PERMALINK

Fox News had "liberals" on the air commenting about the Republican debate? Who knew?

Posted by: Ron Byers on May 21, 2007 at 2:25 PM | PERMALINK

Damn, I thought I cancelled the first comment.

Posted by: Ron Byers on May 21, 2007 at 2:26 PM | PERMALINK

OK Buck, you tell us. What's the answer.

By the way, from a purely economic standpoint, if you do start answering all of Kevin's "questions" right away, we will all go someplace else, his ad revenues will drop to zero and his family will starve. You don't want to see Kevin's family starve do you?

We, all of us, even including Norman Rogers, are all contributing to Kevin Drum's economic well being. Without us he would have to get a job.

Posted by: Ron Byers on May 21, 2007 at 2:31 PM | PERMALINK

AH Kevin not true.The righties best conservative is Osma bin Laden and his coharts. Very weird looking and nasty beards.Compassionate Muslim Conservative,The kinda people Norman feels good being around.

Posted by: john john on May 21, 2007 at 2:32 PM | PERMALINK

You were right both times, Ron.

Posted by: shortstop on May 21, 2007 at 2:32 PM | PERMALINK

"Hosted by some 3rd rate leftover comedian."

Hey, babe, who you callin' leftover?

Posted by: Dennis Miller on May 21, 2007 at 2:36 PM | PERMALINK

I read every issue for 4 years and then some new editor took over and it became a wild-eyed, proselytizer of the neocon "trickle down the supply of kool-aid to the masses" ideology.

So *that* explains why they endorsed Kerry in 2004.

Posted by: paul on May 21, 2007 at 2:36 PM | PERMALINK

Kool-Aid is America, and America is Kool-Aid!
Everything else is wierd, bearded or beaded!

And I'm bewitched, bothered and bewildered.

Posted by: Mooser on May 21, 2007 at 2:37 PM | PERMALINK

Did they have the handsome Michael Savage on, or the suave Rush Limbaugh?

Posted by: gregor on May 21, 2007 at 2:38 PM | PERMALINK

We, all of us, even including Norman Rogers, are all contributing to Kevin Drum's economic well being.

I question your insertion of the word "even" in that sentence, sir. Save for my presence, Washington Monthly would have no advertisers, none, for who among you unemployed liberals has so much as a double sawbuck to spare on hemp t-shirts, Al Gore was Right buttons, "commitment ceremony" rings or what have you?

The fact that I never buy goods or services advertised on this site does not alter the fact that I am literally the only one here in a financial position to do so. No doubt the editors' desperate hope of my eventually making some sort of purchase is what keeps this site going.

Posted by: Norman Rogers on May 21, 2007 at 2:42 PM | PERMALINK

Really, this is something I hadn't thought about. I do believe, however, the author is referring Hannity and Colmes.

Posted by: Tony Shifflett on May 21, 2007 at 2:44 PM | PERMALINK

. . . his ad revenues will drop to zero and his family will starve. You don't want to see Kevin's family starve do you?Posted by: Ron Byers

Not starve. But if the revenue goes down a bit, maybe they wouldn't feed the cats so damn much.

Posted by: JeffII on May 21, 2007 at 2:46 PM | PERMALINK

But if the revenue goes down a bit, maybe they wouldn't feed the cats so damn much.

Okay, that made me laugh really hard.

Posted by: shortstop on May 21, 2007 at 2:49 PM | PERMALINK

weird or bearded ... I'm thinking Charles Manson as an eco-terrorist with an ax to grind (sorry, couldn't resist)

Posted by: ny patriot on May 21, 2007 at 2:51 PM | PERMALINK

At heart I think the point is that Fox puts on Dems/liberals, but typically pretty weak or milquetoast ones. That way the conservatives look much better.

Posted by: Jim Bartle on May 21, 2007 at 2:51 PM | PERMALINK

They must be talking about Pat Caddel whose oily weird and beardedness is only trumped in the squirm factor by his false claims to be a liberal and a Democrat.

Posted by: kija on May 21, 2007 at 2:54 PM | PERMALINK

I agree that the Economist's US political coverage has tilted oddly right since 2000. This was just another opportunity for them to subtley cast all liberals as airy left wing tree hugging communal farmers...which they never pass on an chance to do.

Posted by: Timmy on May 21, 2007 at 3:05 PM | PERMALINK

"Hosted by some 3rd rate leftover comedian."

I'm available

Posted by: Louie Anderson on May 21, 2007 at 3:11 PM | PERMALINK

Norm: "The fact that I never buy goods or services advertised on this site does not alter the fact that I am literally the only one here in a financial position to do so."

This "weird or bearded" talk getting you going, Norm. Flashing the cash and all that. Down, boy, down.

Posted by: Bob M on May 21, 2007 at 3:16 PM | PERMALINK

I agree that the Economist's US political coverage has tilted oddly right since 2000. This was just another opportunity for them to subtley cast all liberals as airy left wing tree hugging communal farmers...which they never pass on an chance to do. Posted by: Timmy

The odd thing about this is how much Tory leader David Cameron resembles most of the people running for the Democratic nomination in terms of policy - pro environment, for gay rights, against the Iraq war. Though describing himself as a fan of Thatcher, he really has little in common with what passes as conservatism in the U.S. today.

Posted by: JeffII on May 21, 2007 at 3:36 PM | PERMALINK

Real liberals pick the seeds out of their pot. Idiot.

Posted by: The Next to Last Pope on May 21, 2007 at 3:40 PM | PERMALINK

This was just another opportunity for them to subtley cast all liberals as airy left wing tree hugging communal farmers...which they never pass on an chance to do.

They never mention the free love.

Posted by: Disputo on May 21, 2007 at 3:48 PM | PERMALINK

Norm.............
We got along before we met ya; we can get along without you now.

Posted by: ETnGuy on May 21, 2007 at 3:57 PM | PERMALINK

Norman shows wit today.

It must be "puppy uppers" day at Bellevue.

Posted by: MeLoseBrain? on May 21, 2007 at 4:04 PM | PERMALINK

Real liberals pick the seeds out of their pot. Idiot. Posted by: The Next to Last Pope

Seeds? I didn't think quality dope had had seeds in it since about 1982.

Posted by: JeffII on May 21, 2007 at 4:06 PM | PERMALINK

Obviously, the urban definition of what a "beard" is goes over the head of most people.

Posted by: anonymous on May 21, 2007 at 4:06 PM | PERMALINK

Left off the link...

Posted by: anonymous on May 21, 2007 at 4:08 PM | PERMALINK

The fact that I never buy goods or services advertised on this site...


Kevin, get that Depends account, quick!

Posted by: MeLoseBrain? on May 21, 2007 at 4:09 PM | PERMALINK

They never mention the free love.

That's because they're used to paying for it.

Posted by: benito's large testicles on May 21, 2007 at 4:17 PM | PERMALINK

No JeffII, it's still possible to get seedy weed. I'd have to guess you're either a "rich" liberal, or a "trustafarian". Don't tell Norman, he'll excoriate you as a class traitor.
Us proles still have to process it. If it weren't for those damned H1-B visas I could pay someone to do it for me.

BTW -
"puppy uppers"
"beard"

Posted by: kenga on May 21, 2007 at 4:18 PM | PERMALINK

I'm thinking Charles Manson as an eco-terrorist

Another counterculture hero to you dead enders of the liberal stripe. How proud you must be of your Altamont and your Manson Family uprising. Stick it to the Man and drop acid, liberals. I am a baby boomer, just barely, and I abhor the free love and wigged out aspect of my generation. Thank the creator some of us had our wits about us and listened to Motown and did not grow our hair long and run naked through the town on benders.

Posted by: Norman Rogers on May 21, 2007 at 4:19 PM | PERMALINK

Obviously, the urban definition of what a "beard" is goes over the head of most people. Posted by: anonymous

I think not. Chocolate Thunder pretty much aced the thread with the first post. After that, what would have been the point of making the same joke over and over?

Posted by: JeffII on May 21, 2007 at 4:22 PM | PERMALINK

After that, what would have been the point of making the same joke over and over?

Because that is what passes for discourse around here these days.

Knocked that one out of the park, didn't I? Losers...

Posted by: Norman Rogers on May 21, 2007 at 4:30 PM | PERMALINK

I think the Kagans are very attractive physically. Also Jonah, the white whale, Goldberg is hot.

Posted by: della Rovere on May 21, 2007 at 4:30 PM | PERMALINK

Hosted by some 3rd rate leftover comedian.

...shit, maybe I'd better stay on another year...

Posted by: bob barker on May 21, 2007 at 4:32 PM | PERMALINK

Wait, did I miss something? Did Michael Moore comment on the GOP presidential debate?

Or did Ann Coulter dress up as Michael Moore to deliver the Democratic commentary?

FYI, Michael Moore's got bigger boobs than Ann Coulter. Then again, Ann Coulter is a big boob.

Posted by: pj in jesusland on May 21, 2007 at 4:33 PM | PERMALINK

I abhor the free love and wigged out aspect of my generation.

Only because you couldn't participate, that's why you are so bitter.

Posted by: No Quarter on May 21, 2007 at 4:53 PM | PERMALINK

The Rep candidate debate on Fox News was hosted by Brit Hume, who is clearly conservative and Chris Wallace. I'd guess Wallace is liberal like his father, but he keeps his politics private. Also, asking questions was Wendall Goler, a Fox News Washington D.C. person. I don't know what his politics are.

When Goddard wrote, "bearded or weird", maybe he was referring to Chris Wallace's goofy grin. Goler doesn't have a beard. Maybe Goddard thinks all blacks are weird.

Or, maybe Goddard was making it up as he went along.

Posted by: ex-liberal on May 21, 2007 at 4:56 PM | PERMALINK

FYI, Michael Moore's got bigger boobs than Ann Coulter.

Don't be so insulting. Coulter stopped taking "her" estrogen pills after "she" canceled her surgery.

Posted by: Disputo on May 21, 2007 at 5:00 PM | PERMALINK

I agree with Jaded, above: The Economist, which used to be a very competent Gladstonian Liberal rag -- just as it had been a hundred years earlier -- has just totally fallen out of bed in the last few years.

The witty Oxbridge put-down has become the ugly GOP-type sneer. Economic sophistication has given way to ideological posing. Lexington, their American columnist, is a sad embarrassment. And their Tech section is all too often a mere pastiche of press releases recycled.

Pity. I used to enjoy it.

Posted by: David Lloyd-Jones on May 21, 2007 at 5:04 PM | PERMALINK

"weird or bearded" ...

As someone who dates back to the compulsively crew-cut, clean-shaven 1950s, I'm absolutely thrilled to learn that "bearded" is no longer considered "weird".

Even by the wingnuts!

Posted by: Zandru on May 21, 2007 at 5:07 PM | PERMALINK

Only because you couldn't participate, that's why you are so bitter.

Hardly. I graduated Princeton in 1965 and went right to work for my father. I could very well have joined the rest of my generation and had a drug-fueled freak out of gargantuan proportions. However, I was a responsible member of society. I wore Chinos, dress shirts and a tie with good shoes every day, even Saturdays. I have never had my hair fall below my collar--even during the late 1970s when I was through competing in the Octagon and had testified against my father I did not go for the shaggy, David Jansen look. I was tempted during late 1988 to adopt a kind of Bruce Dickinson look--my second son was a huge Iron Maiden fan and I was having trouble communicating to him. A psycologist suggested that I adopt the look of Iron Maiden's front man and try to communicate or bond with my son in that manner. (We ended up sending the boy to the US Air Force Academy and he lasted eight months before they threw him out for killing small animals and lighting fires.)

I don't know which "culture" the baby boomers are supposed to have been a part of, but everything we touched turned to shit and caught fire, to be honest about it.

Posted by: Norman Rogers on May 21, 2007 at 5:34 PM | PERMALINK

I just grew a beard last week. Many think facial hair is for keeping warm, which it may do as insulation, and grow one in winter, but I think it is more important as a sun screen.

Posted by: Brojo on May 21, 2007 at 5:43 PM | PERMALINK

Brit Hume, who is clearly conservative and Chris Wallace

Wow he's conservative and Chris Wallace?
It's called punctuation. Read some more books.

Posted by: mister pedantic on May 21, 2007 at 5:43 PM | PERMALINK

Hannity and Steele were there from the Right.
Colmes from the left, not sure who else was there. Andrew Sullivan is on fox a lot. He's bearded, as well as British and gay, but I wouldn't call him a liberal unless being British and gay automatically makes you a liberal.

Posted by: Joe Blow on May 21, 2007 at 5:51 PM | PERMALINK

(We ended up sending the boy to the US Air Force Academy and he lasted eight months before they threw him out for killing small animals and lighting fires.)

Posted by: Norman Rogers on May 21, 2007 at 5:34 PM

blood will tell, eh norm?

your snickering pal,
blake

Posted by: blake on May 21, 2007 at 5:52 PM | PERMALINK

I wore Chinos, dress shirts and a tie with good shoes every day, even Saturdays.

Translation: I never had a girlfriend in high school or college. Had to 'wait' until marriage.

Such a shame, but then again it's you who has the regrets, sure as hell ain't me.

Posted by: No Quarter on May 21, 2007 at 5:52 PM | PERMALINK

No Quarter: "Translation: I never had a girlfriend in high school or college. Had to 'wait' until marriage."

Even then ...

Posted by: Donald from Hawaii on May 21, 2007 at 5:58 PM | PERMALINK

but I wouldn't call him a liberal unless being British and gay automatically makes you a liberal.

You got the causation wrong. Being British and liberal makes one gay....

Posted by: Disputo on May 21, 2007 at 6:54 PM | PERMALINK

Translation: I never had a girlfriend in high school or college. Had to 'wait' until marriage.

In Norm's world, marriage is for procreation, not sex. If you want sex, you get what you pay for.

Posted by: Disputo on May 21, 2007 at 6:56 PM | PERMALINK

Andrew Sullivan is on fox a lot. He's bearded, as well as British and gay, . . . . Posted by: Joe Blow

You forgot Catholic (naturally, he wanted to be a priest when he was young) and a lousy editor.

Posted by: JeffII on May 21, 2007 at 7:25 PM | PERMALINK

And boring!

Posted by: shortstop on May 21, 2007 at 7:27 PM | PERMALINK

Just to pile on with jaded and the rest.

I've been reading The Economist for 34 years, cover to cover. When I arrived in the US (1979) I recommended it to everyone. Now? Well, after writing a couple of letters, I didn't bother renewing my subscription. What a sad demise.

David Lloyd-Jones put it very well but I'd go further; that the occasional article has the toxic smell of the AEI with no pretence at balance, informed opinion or editorial direction. Merely ideology. And that's something The Economist eschewed even when it seemed like a left-wing paper.

To lose that ability to, on occasion, write a striking, independent and discerning article is a sad loss.

In fact they've lost the whole point of what made them valuable. Now it's just hubristic pomp.

Posted by: notthere on May 21, 2007 at 8:26 PM | PERMALINK

Andrew Sullivan doing an Iron Maiden on his Rogers

Posted by: Mike on May 21, 2007 at 8:26 PM | PERMALINK

Translation: I never had a girlfriend in high school or college.

Actually, I've had three wives and quite a few girlfriends. Having money certainly helps in that department, and fortunately, I've never had to pay for the comforts of a woman. I've had to pay AFTERWARDS, of course, and I do lament losing the house on Long Island to my second wife. Que sera sera.

And, as I've mentioned before, I dated Paula Zahn a while back. Perhaps that is why there is so much jealousy from the liberals tonight.

Posted by: Norman Rogers on May 21, 2007 at 8:27 PM | PERMALINK

In fact they've lost the whole point of what made them valuable. Now it's just hubristic pomp.

How sad. I allowed my subscription to /The Economist/ lapse in the mid 90s for purely arbitrary reasons. I had no idea they had become so, well, *unreadable* since then.

Posted by: Disputo on May 21, 2007 at 8:34 PM | PERMALINK

I always read Norman's posts envisioning Jon Lovitz in a smoking jacket.

Posted by: pbg on May 21, 2007 at 8:37 PM | PERMALINK

I dated Paula Zahn a while back.

I always thought Ms. Zahn was very well named.

Posted by: Disputo on May 21, 2007 at 8:50 PM | PERMALINK

Have you ever considered that Norman Rogers may be a spoof?

Isn't he, like, a columnist for the Onion? He's quite good -- it's very clever, low-key satire.

Posted by: ask on May 21, 2007 at 8:55 PM | PERMALINK

The phrase "weird or bearded" makes me think of 1960s Top 40 radio. Seemingly every market had a disc jockey nicknamed "the weird beard"; I know we had one in Syracuse.

As for Norman Rogers and Paula Zahn...well, Paula sure knows how to pick winners. First Norman, then that guy who tried to evict the beloved hawks from the Manhattan condo where they were roosting.

Posted by: Vincent on May 21, 2007 at 8:58 PM | PERMALINK

Have you ever considered that Norman Rogers may be a spoof?

I, for one, welcome the return of our insect overlord.

Posted by: Disputo on May 21, 2007 at 9:06 PM | PERMALINK

A commenter name of pedantic
Is usually calm and romantic
....But the lack of a comma
....Makes him shriek for his mama
Cause grammar mistakes make him frantic.

Posted by: ex-liberal on May 21, 2007 at 9:11 PM | PERMALINK

Norman is not a spoof. He is very well hung.

Paula Zahn

Posted by: mickslam on May 21, 2007 at 9:14 PM | PERMALINK

I'm sorry I can so late to this thread. Um, when it comes to "weird or bearded" I think Karl Rove qualifies for both. He is weird by any shake of the imagination. And his marrage -- probably a "beard."

But what's this carp about good-looking Republicans? McCain has that weird chipmunk thing going on with his cheek. Guilianni looks oilym Romney has that Stepford Wives look. But more typical of conservatives is Mitch McConnell, over-weight with a baby-fat heavt face and a glazed , stapled on zombie-smile. Conservatives? Aliens from the 8th dimension if you ask me.

Posted by: beb on May 21, 2007 at 10:05 PM | PERMALINK

I always read Norman's posts envisioning Jon Lovitz in a smoking jacket.

perfect!

Posted by: thersites on May 21, 2007 at 10:20 PM | PERMALINK

You know, I am late to the party here, but I have a new insight into the Republicans - they are becoming obsolete. They resort to character assassination like this and fertilizer bombs like Timmy McVeigh because they are becoming as extinct as dodos.

Posted by: The Conservative Deflator on May 21, 2007 at 10:48 PM | PERMALINK

Isn't he, like, a columnist for the Onion? He's quite good -- it's very clever, low-key satire.

Hardly. First of all, I'm only a "parody" when I make points of argument that destroy pathetic liberals. Second of all, a position such as that would not pay me enough.

I am an investment banker by trade, a consultant by choice, and a Conservative by the grace of our Creator. If you liberals cannot deal with the fact that I'm here, too bad. I've been here for years and I'm not going away.

Has anyone made a "bearded clam" joke yet? Because I fired a fellow who made such a joke. Not that I was offended--I just didn't feel it was appropriate to make such a joke in the presence of my wife and my mother at the company Christmas party.

Posted by: Norman Rogers on May 21, 2007 at 10:55 PM | PERMALINK

A commenter name of pedantic
Is usually calm and romantic
....But the lack of a comma
....Makes him shriek for his mama
Cause grammar mistakes make him frantic.

Not bad, ex-lib, but because would've scanned better in that last line. But you're doing pretty well there, Juan. You'll be an American in no time at at all.
Next week's lesson will be about the difference between punctuation and grammar.

Posted by: mister pedantic on May 21, 2007 at 11:18 PM | PERMALINK

Sorry folks, Norman is a parody. Read all his comments. That being said, he's pretty funny, so better not let everybody in on the secret 'cuz it'll spoil the joke...

Posted by: westcoast wizard on May 21, 2007 at 11:21 PM | PERMALINK

Well actually I should have said the distinction between punctuation and grammar.

Posted by: mister pedantic on May 21, 2007 at 11:27 PM | PERMALINK

Norman Rogers is fine, as long as he's taking his meds.

Posted by: Donald from Hawaii on May 21, 2007 at 11:34 PM | PERMALINK

Norman Rogers is a treasure. This is like the calmest, funniest comment thread I've seen here.

Posted by: Noumenon on May 21, 2007 at 11:56 PM | PERMALINK

I fondly remember Norman's story about how he and his band originally wrote a song with the chorus "Yes! Yes! Yes!" which was pressed into a single, made it over to England and was plagiarized by the Beatles when they recorded "She Loves You." That was classic. Now we find out he's dated Paula Zahn. He's kinda like Forrest Gump, constantly in the eye of history's hurricane. Norman, please tell us more about Paula. Which way was her favorite? Did she like to talk when you were doing it?

Posted by: Orion on May 22, 2007 at 12:40 AM | PERMALINK

I could care fuck-all less whether Norm is a parody or for real. It doesn't matter. If I can't refute his arguments, I don't need to open my mouth to represent the progressive side of things, because I obviously couldn't hold my own in a real debate.

Parody or not, he's a god-damned public service.

Posted by: Isle of Lucy on May 22, 2007 at 1:09 AM | PERMALINK

Anyone who takes his mother to the "Company Christmas party" is a gigantic loser. Doesn't matter how much his salary is...

Dork.

Posted by: The Conservative Deflator on May 22, 2007 at 5:54 AM | PERMALINK

"You radical leftists have been sporting unpruned facial foliage to demonstrate your contempt for 'authority' for nigh unto 50 years now."
Posted by: Norman Rogers

I know the reichwing have been trying to make it seem as though Americans have moved far right over the last two decades -- but trying to claim Judge Bork as a LEFTtist radical stretches credulity, even for a wingnut liar (but I repeat myself).

Posted by: smartalek on May 22, 2007 at 8:43 AM | PERMALINK

Speaking of beards, and Paula Zahn, and Normie...well, you get the point.

Posted by: MeLoseBrain? on May 22, 2007 at 9:01 AM | PERMALINK

And you wonder why I take a week off at a time just to recover from posting here.

Posted by: Norman Rogers on May 22, 2007 at 9:25 AM | PERMALINK

Normie, I just figure you're under heavy sedation for weeks at a time.

Posted by: MeLoseBrain? on May 22, 2007 at 11:50 AM | PERMALINK

Parody or not, Norm Rogers is factually inaccurate. He claims to be "a baby boomer" and yet he claims he graduated from Princeton in 1965.

The Baby Boomers are people born in the years from 1946 through 1964. Assuming he actually did graduate in 1965 (and I see no reason to believe him), unless Norm graduated from college when he was 13 years old, he's not a baby boomer. I know this trivia because I was born in 1946 and have spent the past couple of decades hearing about how "special" we are.

Posted by: Emily on May 22, 2007 at 2:40 PM | PERMALINK

Emily Post posits:

Parody or not, Norm Rogers is factually inaccurate...The Baby Boomers are people born in the years from 1946 through 1964.

What I said was:

I am a baby boomer, just barely, and I abhor the free love and wigged out aspect of my generation.

I was born in 1944, darling. I went to graduate school briefly and I worked for my father. I was on the very cusp of that whole 'baby boomer' generation and my younger brothers were definitely part of that same generation. The war ended early for my father in 1943--he was sent home to manage a munitions factory after figuring out how to copy the German Mark V tank, one of which was captured in North Africa. He actually sailed to the Aberdeen Proving Ground on board a small freighter and that very tank is displayed on the grounds of that Army installation.

Do you wish to see my birth certificate? You can log in and see it at www.idontgiveagoddamnwhatmoonbatsthink.com.

Posted by: Norman Rogers on May 22, 2007 at 3:51 PM | PERMALINK

dude, I thought paula zahn WAS a man.

she's not?

seriously?

taking your mom to the office xmas party: COOL!!! probably about the only way a bircher's going to get lucky.

did you have to get her drunk first, Norm?

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