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May 22, 2007
By: Kevin Drum

JOE LIEBERMAN WATCH....Joe Lieberman seems to be sliding further and further away from the Democratic Party:

"I hope the moment doesn't come that I feel so separated from the [Democratic] caucus" that he decides to shift allegiance to the Republicans, he said in an interview. Asked what Democratic actions might cause such a break, he invoked Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart's famous 1964 definition of pornography: "I'll know it when I see it."

....The senator said his new-found independence may extend to presidential politics...."It's quite possible I would support a Republican or independent,'' Lieberman said.

It seems like every time Lieberman opens his mouth he moves a few more inches toward leaving the Democratic caucus. I wonder how much longer it will take until he decides, as a salve to his own conscience, that the Democratic Party "left him," rather than the other way around?

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recall.

Posted by: Trypticon on May 22, 2007 at 2:12 PM | PERMALINK

Slimy piece of self-absorbed dog poop! I wish I'd flung my triple espresso in his face at National instead of just loudly endorsing Ned Lamont!

Posted by: shortstop on May 22, 2007 at 2:16 PM | PERMALINK

why does Joe refer to himself in the third person?

Posted by: troglodyte on May 22, 2007 at 2:17 PM | PERMALINK

Lie-berman and McCain are both going through some mental kind of melt down.

Posted by: Mrs. Peel on May 22, 2007 at 2:17 PM | PERMALINK

Liberman is just hedging his bet.

If the Dems lose senate in 2008, he'll jump ship and enjoy his perk as a GOP committee chair. If the Dems keep Senate, he's shut his mouth and enjoy his perk as a Dem committee chair.

Posted by: clone12 on May 22, 2007 at 2:20 PM | PERMALINK

Maybe I'll lay off the coffee for the rest of the day.

What I meant to say (in a dignified manner) is that Weeperman's patented inability to read the handwriting on the wall may well lead him to delay becoming a Republican until after the 2008 election, at which point he can join his GOP compatriots in what I hope will be the electoral wilderness. Of course, it's perfectly possible that his continuous rage at other Democrats not sharing his...er...views on Iraq could lead him to a big old flounce-out any day now. God, I wish Connecticut had a Democratic governor.

Posted by: shortstop on May 22, 2007 at 2:21 PM | PERMALINK

> It seems like every time Lieberman opens his
> mouth he moves a few more inches toward leaving
> the Democratic caucus.

I don't see how he actually could. Barring some utterly unforseen even, the (real) Democratic Party should easily maintain and extend control of the Senate in 2008, and possibly gain quite a bit in the House. As a (openly declared) Republican Lieberman would be a minority in a minority.

Which means this kind of posturing only works if he doesn't actually make the switch.

But oddly - no Democratic Party leader has explained this to him.

So that tells me the leaders of the Democratic Party are not actually unhappy with Lieberman guarding their right flank.

Cranky

Posted by: Cranky Observer on May 22, 2007 at 2:22 PM | PERMALINK

"Salve to his own consicence"? I think you mean ego, not conscience.

In any event, I think it will take a major crisis to get him to leave. My reasoning is that if you follow Lieberman's career, he has usually positioned himself to be near the center of the 100 votes in the Senate, so that he has the most leverage. In the mid-1990s this appeared to take the form of moderation since the ideas likely to pass with a bare 50 votes were things such as school vouchers and welfare reform. In the current state of play, the agenda items at the same threshold are far more extreme.

If he bolts the Democratic caucus, it would only be to obtain whatever advantage accrues between now and January 2009, since it seems likely that the Republicans will lose at least one seat, and he would be in the minority again. I think the advantage would have to be tremendous for him to make such a move. One such event would be an impeachment proceeding of Gonzales.

Posted by: Sam W on May 22, 2007 at 2:26 PM | PERMALINK

I thought rats were supposed to LEAVE a sinking ship.

Posted by: Kenji on May 22, 2007 at 2:27 PM | PERMALINK

Lieberman may find his relatively extreme hawkish views out of step with most Democrats, but his overall votes place him well with the Democratic norm if you exclude his outlier positions on the war and his propensity to support Bush on all things terror.

Lieberman certainly is far from the only hawkish democrat, what sets him appart is his patronizing adoption of the Bushian viewpoint and ridicule of those who disagree with him.

The Democratic party hasnt change what changed is that he is completely out of touch with his constituents on the war and so called war on terror.

Posted by: Catch22 on May 22, 2007 at 2:28 PM | PERMALINK

It's appropriate this story came from Bloomberg.com. Could Joe be eyeing another vice presidential run, this time as an independent with the New York mayor? (This is assuming Hagel isn't interested in being Mike's running mate.)

Posted by: Vincent on May 22, 2007 at 2:29 PM | PERMALINK

In the fine tradition of big city folks everywhere when faced with someone on a ledge...

Jump!!!! Jump already!!!!

Posted by: Nazgul35 on May 22, 2007 at 2:29 PM | PERMALINK

Let it be soon, and good fucking riddance.

Posted by: Baldrick on May 22, 2007 at 2:31 PM | PERMALINK

Somewhere, somehow there is a link between Lieberman, his "dance" and Bush Handlers, Inc. that needs to be made public. I suspect it goes through Big Pharma (well hello GHW Bush, Dan Quayle & Donald Rumsfeld !) & Rev. Moon.

Dig deep for paydirt

"No place is so strongly fortified that money could not capture it." - Marcus Tullius Cicero

Posted by: daCascadian on May 22, 2007 at 2:32 PM | PERMALINK

I hope he jumps...Democratic Senators and CT Party members who supported him deserve exactly what they get for defying the will of primary voters who spoke loud and clear regarding their view of the junior Senator from NY.

Maybe next time they will take the hint....Democratic Senators...too smart by half once again...

Posted by: justmy2 on May 22, 2007 at 2:36 PM | PERMALINK

Leiberman ran promising to caucus with the Dems, so I don't think he'll change parties. I think he was just reminding Harry Reid that he has the power to kick him out of leadership.

Posted by: ex-liberal on May 22, 2007 at 2:38 PM | PERMALINK

I hope Reid strips Lieberman of his seniority after the 2008 elections, when the Dem Senate caucus no longer needs him.

What a self-absorbed ass.

Posted by: David Bailey on May 22, 2007 at 2:48 PM | PERMALINK

"I think he was just reminding Harry Reid that he has the power to kick him out of leadership."

No he doesn't, moron.

What's truly funny is that the only viable (using that term very loosely) third-party option is even more anti-war than the Democrats.

Posted by: brewmn on May 22, 2007 at 2:49 PM | PERMALINK

I am with justmy2, above. The Democratic Party "leadership" that failed to do what was necessary to get rid of Lieberman betrayed not only themselves, but their party and their country.

Just imagine what kind of position the Democratic senate majority would be in right now with Lamont instead of Lieberman. And not just on Iraq, but on everything important to the Democratic electorate.

Idiots! (in Napoleon Dynamite voice)

Posted by: James E. Powell on May 22, 2007 at 2:50 PM | PERMALINK

"I hope the moment doesn't come that I feel so separated from the [Democratic] caucus"

Gee, Joe...do you think that's because the rest of the Democratic caucus is choosing to reflect the wills and needs of their constituents re: Iraq and All Things Terror-Related? How freaking huge does your ego have to be to be so williingly out of touch with mainstream America?

Effing whiner...Lieberman would rather play games than do the right thing.

Posted by: grape_crush on May 22, 2007 at 2:56 PM | PERMALINK

I think he was just reminding Harry Reid that he has the power to kick him out of leadership.

No he doesn't dillweed. The Jeffords gambit doesn't apply in this congress.

But of course not knowing what you are talking about has never stopped a winger from spouting off, has it?

It must suck to be such a tool, but I do understand your craven need to have a daddy figure rule you like a king.

But that understanding doesn't make it any less pathetic.

As for Joe, goodbye and don't let the door hit you in the ass.

For the good citizens of CT who re-elected this braying Jack-ass, I would think the never ending War on Terra(tm) wouldn't really require anymore high-dollar nuke subs.

Say bye-bye to the good days in Groton and Newport News.

Bye bye

Posted by: SnarkyShark on May 22, 2007 at 2:57 PM | PERMALINK

Goodbye, Joe - don't let the door hit your fanny on the way out!

Posted by: low-tech cyclist (formerly RT) on May 22, 2007 at 2:58 PM | PERMALINK

Majority or not, just go, Joe. I'm tired of his self-serving hand-wringing about democratic "excesses", yet never mentioning the outright abuses that have occured during the Dumbya years. He's biding his time until he can jump ship, and he'll be able to say that the dems left him, rather than the truth.

Posted by: MeLoseBrain? on May 22, 2007 at 2:59 PM | PERMALINK

The people of Connecticut certainly should have seen this day coming. They voted for a de facto Republican (synonym for Bush administration lackey) who likes to play at being Democrat, and that's what they got. Hard to say they've been hoodwinked, notwithstanding his pledges of fidelity during the campaign.

If buyer's remorse sets in and hurts the GOP in CT, well, that's just too bad.

Posted by: Philip the Equal Opportunity Cynic on May 22, 2007 at 3:00 PM | PERMALINK

When the Senate reconvenes in early 2009, the Dems' new and larger majority should declare "Independent Democrat" not to be the same party as "Democrat," and let Joe go caucus with his buddies in the minority.

Posted by: anandine on May 22, 2007 at 3:00 PM | PERMALINK

Oh, for fuck's sake, people, think about it. He has power all out of proportion because of his status as the 51st vote. Every once in a while he has to remind the Dem leadership of that, so he goes off on one of these spiels. Given the way the 2008 election is forming, he's unlikely to shift to the Republicans when it seems likely their minorityship will be confirmed that year. So he rattles the cages. Watch for some kind of reaffirmation of him by Harry Reid in the next week or so.

Posted by: Total on May 22, 2007 at 3:01 PM | PERMALINK

When, oh when can we arrest these AIPAC agents for spying and treason?

Posted by: osama_been_forgotten on May 22, 2007 at 3:02 PM | PERMALINK

> I hope Reid strips Lieberman of his
> seniority after the 2008 elections,
> when the Dem Senate caucus no longer needs him.

One more time: the available evidence says that Reid and the Senate Insider Insiders' Club _like_ Lieberman. And they have no plans to punish him for anything; more likely the opposite.

Cranky

Posted by: Cranky Observer on May 22, 2007 at 3:03 PM | PERMALINK
why does Joe refer to himself in the third person?

He doesn't, in the excerpt Kevin posted. Note carefully where the quotation marks are.

Posted by: cmdicely on May 22, 2007 at 3:04 PM | PERMALINK
I thought rats were supposed to LEAVE a sinking ship.

Rats, clearly, have more sense than Joe Lieberman.

Posted by: cmdicely on May 22, 2007 at 3:05 PM | PERMALINK

In my mind, Lieberman stopped being a Democrat when he refused to accept the outcome of the Democratic primary in Connecticut.

Posted by: Daryl McCullough on May 22, 2007 at 3:06 PM | PERMALINK

why does Joe refer to himself in the third person?

He doesn't, in the excerpt Kevin posted. Note carefully where the quotation marks are.

But if he did, admiration for Richard Milhous Nixon would no doubt be the inspiration.

Posted by: shortstop on May 22, 2007 at 3:11 PM | PERMALINK

It was that bitch's fault Gore lost in 2000.

Posted by: Al Gore's Momma on May 22, 2007 at 3:12 PM | PERMALINK

The only thing that could lower my opinion of Joe Lieberman is if he gives a keynote speech at the 2008 Republican National Convention. That would win him a spot in the circle of Hell currently occupied by Judas, Brutus, Cassius and Zell Miller.

Posted by: Daryl McCullough on May 22, 2007 at 3:16 PM | PERMALINK

Can someone confirm something for me? I thought I'd read, back in January when the Congress was constituted with Democrats in control, that the rules say this situation remains in effect till January 2009 regardless -- which is to say, that a Lieberman defection would not have any impact on the control of committees, etc. As I understood it, this is the standard rule for organization of Congress. The Jeffords thing was only allowed to happen because, when Congress convened in January '01, the split was 50/50 and Al Gore was, until the 20th, VP, so Daschle & co., in exchange for letting the Pubs establish committees as if Cheney had already been sworn in, extracted the concession that any change in composition of Congress could lead to re-organization. Is my understanding correct, or is it something I imagined in an opium dream?

Were Lieberman to switch, his career would be over in all kinds of ways -- he'd certainly be in the minority after '08 even if I'm misinformed about the above; rage from CT voters (plus the state's blue tilt) would make him un-re-electable; and, as a confirmed GOPer, he'd lose his go-to value as FOX's Democrat-with-sense.

Posted by: demtom on May 22, 2007 at 3:17 PM | PERMALINK

Joe Lieberman seems to be sliding further and further away from the Democratic Party:

Most people do as they grow up.

But some never do.

Posted by: sportsfan79 on May 22, 2007 at 3:18 PM | PERMALINK

Joe is an Iago stalking his Othello. He'll strike when the time is right - probably just after the Democrats summon up the guts to actually do something about Iraq.

Posted by: The Next to Last Pope on May 22, 2007 at 3:22 PM | PERMALINK

Ah, Kevin.

Bravo, Mr. Leiberman!

I predict this will be the first of many defections to come, just as soon as it becomes apparent how the Pelosi-Reid axis is undermining this country.

Posted by: egbert on May 22, 2007 at 3:26 PM | PERMALINK

Of course he won't leave the party. He gets to be a big cheese. oooooooo, I'm so important. What an ass!

He also won't leave the party -- or let the party leave him -- because Dems have a good shot in 2008.

If anything, maybe he'll stay Dem but offer himself up as VP with McCain. Or something equally stupid.

Posted by: Tilli (Mojave Desert) on May 22, 2007 at 3:43 PM | PERMALINK

Let him go! And all the slimy Dems on the State level who enable him!

Signed-
A Disgusted Connecticut Yankee Who DIDN'T Vote for That Two-Faced, Lying, Creep

Posted by: greynoldsct00 on May 22, 2007 at 3:51 PM | PERMALINK

Rats, clearly, have more sense than Joe Lieberman.

And principles, for that matter.

Posted by: Gregory on May 22, 2007 at 3:59 PM | PERMALINK

Man, I hope the first string trolls come back from vacation soon.

Posted by: Disputo on May 22, 2007 at 4:05 PM | PERMALINK

If you really want to punish Connecticut voters for putting him back in the Senate, simply put UConn's men's and women's basketball teams on NCAA probation.

Posted by: Vincent on May 22, 2007 at 4:14 PM | PERMALINK

The worst day's work Al Gore ever did was when he selected this moralizing and self-absorbed opportunist as his running mate and gave him a national platform.

And of course, kudos are also due the DLC'S Beltway-based Boobs for talking Ned Lamont into abandoning what had been a winning campaign strategy, and once again enabling this pontificating poltitical hedonist to hold the party, his state the rest of the country hostage to his own ego.

Stop threatening to make the switch to Granny McConnell's caucus, Joe, and just do it already. Then go to temple, you pious fucker, and try to explain to your God how your miserable political legacy of pre-emptive war and social Darwinism is really His will.

Posted by: Donald from Hawaii on May 22, 2007 at 4:34 PM | PERMALINK

egbert: "I predict this will be the first of many defections to come, just as soon as it becomes apparent how the Pelosi-Reid axis is undermining this country."

You just didn't listen to me, dear, when I told you that spanking little eggie too much would make you go blind. You apparently can't see the broad side of a barn.

Posted by: egbert's Grandma on May 22, 2007 at 4:51 PM | PERMALINK

Joe Lieberman represents Israel in the U.S. Senate. He is Israel's senator.

Whenever he threatens to leave the Democratic Party, you can bet your bottom dollar he's maneuvering to get something behind the scenes for Israel.

"You do this for Israel, or I quit," he mutters.

With the Senate split so closely between the two political parties that the defection of a single senator from the Democratic fold could mean Republicans in control, Lieberman has singular power. Or so he and his circle figure.

But -- and this is a big BUT -- for him to sign off on the Democratic Party -- especially at a time when it is obvious the next President will be Democratic and perhaps even the next Congress -- Liberman's power is somewhat curbed by the anger and resentment he would cause in Democratic circles by abandoning the Democratic Party and throwing the Congress to the Republicans, even for a short while, like 18 months. Lieberman would suffer BUT so would Israel.

Lieberman is playing a dangerous game and even if he doesn't land the "R" bomb, it's bound to fuel resentment against him and his client, Israel.

So -- look for wiser heads to prevail. Those in the Jewish community whom I know and hear do not want to be thrust into the racist, anti-Jew Dixiecrat GOP whose base now is the racist white South and rural Midwest. While this remains unlikely, Joe Lieberman or no Joe Lieberman, it's a consideration in the game this senator is playing. And I'd suggest it would be wise for him not to overplay his hand. By bluster and huffing and puffing, he'll get what he seeks for the time being, but as for how the future shapes up, we'll see.

I personally feel Liberman already has hurt himself and his client Israel with his maneuvering, which has included support for the Cheney Doctrine that includes a long-term U.S. combat troop commitment in Iraq, and that a backlash is bound to occur down the road because of it. Lieberman is crafty, but not as smart and as well placed as he and his circle may think he is.

Posted by: closecall on May 22, 2007 at 5:24 PM | PERMALINK

egfart: "I predict this will be the first of many defections to come..."

Hahahahahahaha! Yes, there's going to be a mass rush to join the Republican party in 2008. Sure you aren't confusing the GOP with Al Qaida?

Oh, hey, shouldn't you be over there killing ragheads? Are are you a pissant coward who cant even tell day from night?

Posted by: Kenji on May 22, 2007 at 5:49 PM | PERMALINK

Those in the Jewish community whom I know and hear do not want to be thrust into the racist, anti-Jew Dixiecrat GOP whose base now is the racist white South and rural Midwest.

That pretty much sums up the point of view of the red-state Jew.

Posted by: Blue Girl, Red State (aka G.C.) on May 22, 2007 at 5:57 PM | PERMALINK
Most people do as they grow up. spotsfan79 at 3:18 PM … this will be the first of many defections to come….eggbutt at 3:26 PM
Who has the edge in party identification? Oops, not Republicans by a margin of 35% to 50%. Some fools just can't help making dumbass assertions that are easily refuted Posted by: Mike on May 22, 2007 at 6:11 PM | PERMALINK

oops - I meant this red-state Jew.

I, too, am a lousy self-editor.

Posted by: Blue Girl, Red State (aka G.C.) on May 22, 2007 at 6:21 PM | PERMALINK

In January 2009 Jomentum goes under the bus and the citizens of Connecticut are rebuked for being dumbasses.

Posted by: darby1936 on May 22, 2007 at 6:23 PM | PERMALINK

The story, possibly apocryphal but certainly instructive, is that Genghis Khan killed any enemy soldier who tried to change sides. It's never wise to trust turncoats, either before or after they turn.

Posted by: Ray on May 22, 2007 at 6:31 PM | PERMALINK

Correction:

Lieberman's problem is his allegiance to his own ego trumps his allegiance to the USA.
Posted by: cmdicely on May 22, 2007 at 6:37 PM | PERMALINK

I don't think it will happen. The minute Lieberman switches he will become instantly irrelevent. The Democrats will still have the leadership in the Senate (which was vested when this Congress was formed and cannot be changed without a supermajority vote) and Lieberman will be on the outs with all of his former allies in the Democratic party.

Face it, the ONLY power Lieberman has right now is to publicly speculate about switching WITHOUT ACTUALLY SWITCHING.

If he does it then he is through.

Posted by: Chris Andersen on May 22, 2007 at 6:56 PM | PERMALINK

Umm Total...

"He has power all out of proportion because of his status as the 51st vote."

Every Democratic Senator has that power....but the moran from CT seems to be the only one who feels the need to grab headlines declaring the fact.

Posted by: Nazgul35 on May 22, 2007 at 7:47 PM | PERMALINK

Just curious what the "I" in Joe Lieberman (I-CT) stands for...idiot? Imbecile? Ingrate? Honestly, it sounds like Lieberman just wants some media love, some attention to himself. It's lonely when you're so important yet you never make headlines.

Posted by: Fred on May 22, 2007 at 8:36 PM | PERMALINK

A "Lieberman" will become a term for an act of political treachery and deceit.

Move over Benedict Arnold.

Piece of shit of a man, and a disgrace to his heritage.

Posted by: jim on May 22, 2007 at 9:09 PM | PERMALINK

If you are Harry Reid putting up with Senator Lieberman's threats are a small price to pay for a Democratic Senate. Despite his coyness I don't think he will ever tip the balance to the GOP. Connecticut is a blue state that is only going to get bluer, and there is no way the GOP would allow him to keep his Government Affairs Chairmanship which is only the most powerful oversight committee in the Senate.

Posted by: aline on May 22, 2007 at 9:26 PM | PERMALINK

Have you noticed that Lieberman seems to be attracting less and less attention? I believe the main thing that's kept him a Democrat has been the attention he's been able to attract as the Democrat who loves to attack Democrats. As that hook starts to fade, he's finding less and less reason to remain a Democrat. When he switches parties, he'll attract a few weeks of headlines and then he'll be just another Republican.

Posted by: Guscat on May 22, 2007 at 9:37 PM | PERMALINK

Then he'll really be a Loserman. Wonder how many calls he gets from Al Gore these days.

Posted by: Kenji on May 22, 2007 at 11:28 PM | PERMALINK

Likud party. Joe's an American?

Posted by: Luther on May 23, 2007 at 1:48 AM | PERMALINK

Please! He has not been a Democrat since at LEAST 2000. This demented kabuki dance is all for show so when he makes the "big announcement", when he calculates it will most hurt the Democratic party, he can claim that he held on as long as he could.

Screw holy Joe, and the elephant he rode in on!

Posted by: Eric Paulsen on May 23, 2007 at 2:16 AM | PERMALINK

I wish they'd just throw that annoying asshole out. Even his voice grates on my nerves.

Posted by: merlallen on May 23, 2007 at 6:35 AM | PERMALINK

Just curious what the "I" in Joe Lieberman (I-CT) stands for...idiot? Imbecile? Ingrate?

Posted by: Fred on May 22, 2007 at 8:36 PM

It's obvious -- Israel!

Posted by: Vincent on May 23, 2007 at 8:53 AM | PERMALINK

clone12 has it right. It ain't like Holy Joe has any integrity.

But Holy Joe saying " 'I hope the moment doesn't come that I feel so separated from the [Democratic] caucus' that he decides to shift allegiance to the Republicans" just gives me the urge to tell him to hurry the f**k up and leave.

Posted by: zak822 on May 23, 2007 at 1:22 PM | PERMALINK

Disgusting masturbation comments and racial epithets aside, I find it absolutely fascinating how many people on this thread can connect the Jewish religion, a man's personal ethics, and Israel. It's so nice to know that you all are reading the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

So I guess any politician of the Jewish faith must be taking orders from Israel, just as every Catholic is taking orders from the Vatican, and every Protestant from his or her respective sect leader, and every Muslim from Tehran or Mecca, or every Buddhist from...China? Well, you get the idea.

It's just lovely to see the ideals of tolerance and trust personified in you all. By your standards, any religious man or woman is suspect, merely because of their beliefs.

In the old days, I think they used to call that "prejudice"...

Posted by: Elena on May 23, 2007 at 1:26 PM | PERMALINK

Elena,

Those comments were made by exactly three people: (1) Vincent, (2) closecall, and (3) Rhythmwize.

Posted by: Daryl McCullough on May 23, 2007 at 11:48 PM | PERMALINK

Fuck Lieberman, who gives a shit where he ends-up?

Posted by: Whitehouse Criminals on May 24, 2007 at 11:50 AM | PERMALINK

Judging by the majority of commenters here, Liebermann is a braver man than I thought for swimming against the tide of you vicious and suicidal, not to mention bigoted, idiots. Incidentally, the special venom reserved for him -- let's say from the non-anti-Semites, if any -- can only relate to his consistency, considering the number of Democrats who voted for the Iraq war (after insisting to be able to).

Posted by: Extraneus on May 24, 2007 at 3:29 PM | PERMALINK

Joe's problem is so clear. Obviously, he is no fan of Dems because they are against war in Iraq and seeking an end to it. Joe's main agenda as one of many Jewish supremacists is to look after the wellness of Israel at the expense of American lives and US money. We all could see it coming way before him pushing for a war with Iran. Fuck Lieberman and the nasty horse he is riding.

Posted by: TruthMatters on June 12, 2007 at 3:20 AM | PERMALINK

Joe's problem is so clear. Obviously, he is no fan of Dems because they are against war in Iraq and seeking an end to it. Joe's main agenda as one of many Jewish supremacists is to look after the wellness of Israel at the expense of American lives and US money. We all could see it coming way before him pushing for a war with Iran. Fuck Lieberman and the nasty horse he is riding.

Posted by: TruthMatters on June 12, 2007 at 3:20 AM | PERMALINK

I think Joe Lieberman (and the rest of the US) would be better off if he were honest and joined the Knesset by running with the Likud party. His loyalty is clearly not with this country.

Posted by: Joe Prendergast on June 13, 2007 at 3:16 PM | PERMALINK

The protocols were a forgery but they apprached reality in the fact that Israel is the fiftyfirst state of the Usa and that its leverage in world affairs is completely disproportionate, After all Southafrica pre apartheud never had the leverage on Gb policies that Israel has had on USA policies in the last decades. And the world is upside down at least in the Middle East because of a kind of permission for Israel do do whatever they want. in their region with the support of the Us.

Posted by: lapomar on July 7, 2007 at 5:33 PM | PERMALINK




 

 

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