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June 11, 2007
By: Kevin Drum

YUK YUK....The frat-boy-in-chief visited Albania this weekend. The topic at hand was independence for Kosovo:

"At some point in time, sooner rather than later, you've got to say, 'Enough is enough — Kosovo is independent,' " Mr. Bush said...."In terms of a deadline, there needs to be one. It needs to happen."

But on Sunday, Mr. Bush tried to backtrack when asked when that deadline might be. "First of all, I don't think I called for a deadline," Mr. Bush said, during a press appearance with Mr. Berisha in the courtyard of a government ministry building. He was reminded that he had.

"I did?" he asked, sounding surprised. "What exactly did I say? I said deadline? O.K., yes, then I meant what I said." The reporters laughed.

Look, I'll admit that my sense of humor has been stretched to the breaking point over the past few years. But is it really too much to ask the president of the United States to take his own policies seriously enough to actually know what they are?

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Bush League, for certain. Clueless.

Posted by: troglodyte on June 11, 2007 at 12:38 AM | PERMALINK

yes

Posted by: a cornellian on June 11, 2007 at 12:38 AM | PERMALINK

So 3500 of our kids died because of the decisions made by the Commander-in-Chief who did not know the rudimentary facts of the case? Like, for example, that Saddam did indeed allow the inspectors in.

And we are going to elect one more Republican idiot who has just as much command of the facts?

Makes me want to become a theist and pray for our country. Yuks indeed.

Posted by: gregor on June 11, 2007 at 1:00 AM | PERMALINK

Sounds like the Democratic Party. On policies like Iraq, immigration, ethics, among others, they've been jigging around like a squirrel trying to cross a freeway.

Posted by: rnc on June 11, 2007 at 1:02 AM | PERMALINK

Um, with this President? Yes, that is far to much to ask. Anyway, how would you ever know? Because, as Bush self-admits, his English is not very good.

Posted by: bmaz on June 11, 2007 at 1:11 AM | PERMALINK

There's an Albanian translator who's probably out of a job by now. His Albanian bosses will conclude that there is no way the leader of the free world could be so confused about a matter of such importance as to make completely contradictory declarations about it within the course of two days - it must be the translator's fault.

"You fat, bloated IDIOT!"

Posted by: lampwick on June 11, 2007 at 1:15 AM | PERMALINK

first rove loses his memory then gonzales. now bush. what idiots.

Posted by: mudwall jackson on June 11, 2007 at 1:18 AM | PERMALINK

But is it really too much to ask the president of the United States to take his own policies seriously enough to actually know what they are?

For this guy, yes, apparently.

Posted by: craigie on June 11, 2007 at 1:55 AM | PERMALINK

You libruls are so demanding!

Posted by: Kenji on June 11, 2007 at 2:01 AM | PERMALINK

The Cretin-In-Chief has increasingly become his own most devastating parodist. While John Stewart & others have become masters at impersonating Bush's hokey speaking style, odd tics & patronizing mannerisms, for the content he's almost become a parody-free zone: you can't caricature him any better than he does himself, you just gotta roll the tape.

The snickering of reporters notwithstanding, when John Stewart does Bush people laugh, when Bush does Bush people die.

Posted by: DanJoaquinOz on June 11, 2007 at 2:14 AM | PERMALINK

Lots of times that's all Jon Stewart does: roll the tape and react. That's all you need to do.

Posted by: Joe Buck on June 11, 2007 at 2:22 AM | PERMALINK

life imitates art. art imitates life. reality molests logic.

Posted by: hokie on June 11, 2007 at 2:24 AM | PERMALINK

Poor Albania. They take the Chinese guys from Gitmo and god knows what other favors they do and yet! Still they get no respect.

This is what happens when you get a president who really deep down does not give a shit.

Posted by: Tilli (Mojave Desert) on June 11, 2007 at 2:29 AM | PERMALINK

"Sounds like the Democratic Party. On policies like Iraq, immigration, ethics, among others, they've been jigging around like a squirrel trying to cross a freeway."

Look, rnc, even if I were to agree that what you say about Democrats is true, you're talking here about a whole BIG group of people to some degree at odds with one another. What Kevin is pointing out is George Bush being at odds with HIMSELF!!

I really don't think that one is "like" the other. Do you? Really, do you?

Posted by: Robert Earle on June 11, 2007 at 3:00 AM | PERMALINK

At least he didn't call for benchmarks....

Posted by: Disputo on June 11, 2007 at 3:00 AM | PERMALINK

Is it time to consider if the guy has moved from the worthy-of-contempt phase to the worthy-of-pity phase? Think about the chest-thumping incident, the "stomach-flu"-morning-after-drinking-near-beer incident. He couldn't get his immigration bill passed, his atty general is subject to universal contempt, his party's candidates show him no respect, even his media fellators have mostly jumped ship (Fred Barnes, of course, excepted). And he's clueless about the details of his Kosovo policy, which might not be too bad except that he's in Albania.

Clinton at the end of his term was weakened but well liked; Reagan at the end of his term was weakened but in the first stages of deification. Bush is ignored when he isn't being ridiculed, even by his own side.

He's still dangerous, in the sense that a rotting roof-beam is dangerous. You can worry about the roof-beam, but can you hate it?

Posted by: Basilisc on June 11, 2007 at 4:22 AM | PERMALINK

What can you say about America when thanks to Bush its biggest friend in the world is Albania? (Of course the UK and Poland still suck up to the US, as do a few other minor countries.)

Posted by: anonymous on June 11, 2007 at 4:41 AM | PERMALINK

> But is it really too much to ask the president of
> the United States to take his own policies
> seriously enough to actually know what they are?

Or, failing that, just leave announcements up the the state department pro`s... if there are any left.

But this gives yet another insight into the worldview of W. He apparently thinks journalist are out to trick him by pretending he already said there was a deadline.

Posted by: asdf on June 11, 2007 at 4:57 AM | PERMALINK

The only policy he takes seriously is that of going on vacation as often and as long as possible.

Posted by: Scorpio on June 11, 2007 at 6:49 AM | PERMALINK

yes, that is asking too much - of this president. But it wouldn't be too much to ask that he remember what he doesn't know a day after not knowing it. That at least would be something.

Posted by: cruel goat on June 11, 2007 at 6:50 AM | PERMALINK

But is it really too much to ask the president of the United States to take his own policies seriously enough to actually know what they are?

He doesn't have policies. He has fleeting, brutish impulses.

Posted by: obscure on June 11, 2007 at 6:50 AM | PERMALINK

Clearly, years of cocaine and alcohol abuse have fried the Little Emperor's memory cells. If he is drinking again, as the tabloids are reporting, expect the incoherence and memory lapses to get worse. Let's all pray he doesn't decide to preemptively nuke Russia, or something equally rash, during one of his increasingly more frequent lapses of coherence. Once again, if the mainstream media had treated Bush like they treated Clinton, his alcoholism, cocaine usage and their damaging impact on his brain would have been public knowledge in 2000 and the world would be a much better place now.

Posted by: The Conservative Deflator on June 11, 2007 at 7:03 AM | PERMALINK

Mr. President, you've stated that we'll be out of Iraq well before the 2008 primaries . . .

Posted by: B on June 11, 2007 at 7:16 AM | PERMALINK

B - hey, it's worth a try . . .

I agree with obscure: a couple of words just don't belong in that sentence, like "his," "policies," and "serious".

Posted by: Dan S. on June 11, 2007 at 7:24 AM | PERMALINK

I notice this morning's headlines have Bush declaring the no confidence vote in Gonzales as "meaningless". How much of being pissed on by Bush do you think this Congress will take?

Posted by: Del Capslock on June 11, 2007 at 7:47 AM | PERMALINK

The little fucker didn't get called on this:
"We gave him [Saddam Hussein] a chance to allow the inspectors in, and he wouldn’t let them in. And, therefore, after a reasonable request, we decided to remove him from power." July 14, 2003

or on this:
"We went to the United Nations, of course, and got an overwhelming resolution ミ 1441 ミ unanimous resolution, that said to Saddam, you must disclose and destroy your weapons programs, which obviously meant the world felt he had such programs. He chose defiance. It was his choice to make, and he did not let us in." January 27, 2004

or on this:
"I was hoping to solve this [Iraq] problem diplomatically. The world said, 'Disarm, disclose or face serious consequences.' We worked to make sure that Saddam Hussein heard the message of the world. And when he chose to deny the inspectors, when he chose not to disclose, then I had the difficult decision to make to remove him. And we did." March 21, 2006

or on this:
"As you might remember back then, we tried the diplomatic route: [U.N. Resolution] 1441 was a unanimous vote in the Security Council that said disclose, disarm or face serious consequences. So the choice was his [Hussein's] to make. And he made a choice that has subsequently caused him to lose his life." May 24, 2007
(all quotes taken from Robert Parry @ Consortium News)

by America's sycophantic press. Why should this 'need a deadline/what deadline?' act elicit anything more than a couple of yuks?

(and what rubes we are to be upset by all this. We so sorely lack the sophistication of the Candy Crowleys and Joe Kleins)

Posted by: snicker-snack on June 11, 2007 at 7:49 AM | PERMALINK

George Bush- the first "world leader" to make Enver Hoxha look good by comparison.

That's the kind of thing that only George Bush could do.

Must be something wrong with the internets this morning. This comment thread has nowhere near as much snark as it should.

Because, after all, what real American wouldn't want us to be more like Albania?

Posted by: serial catowner on June 11, 2007 at 7:55 AM | PERMALINK

sophistication of the Candy Crowleys and Joe Kleins


Even the buzzards can gag on that one.
And I thought Albania was the 'sick Man of Europe'.

Posted by: Mr. Bill on June 11, 2007 at 7:57 AM | PERMALINK

But is it really too much to ask the president of the United States to take his own policies seriously enough to actually know what they are?

You might as well complain to Jared because the subs at Subway suck.

Junta Boy's just the spokesman. He doesn't have to take it seriously. He doesn't even have to use the product.

Posted by: Davis X. Machina on June 11, 2007 at 8:00 AM | PERMALINK

And I thought Albania was the 'sick Man of Europe'.

No, no, that's old Europe that's sick.

(New-style Republicans like old-style Commies, talking systems and denying murky reality)

Posted by: snicker-snack on June 11, 2007 at 8:06 AM | PERMALINK

John Stewart is great but Letterman's nightly "Great Moments in Presidential Speeches" clearly illustrates what an embarrasing buffoon we have living in the White House.

Posted by: lamonte on June 11, 2007 at 8:13 AM | PERMALINK

So little difference between Dilbert's manager going to Elbonia and Shrub in Albania.

But, they just loooooove him in Bulgaria. A Rube visiting Rubes.

Posted by: thethirdPaul on June 11, 2007 at 8:59 AM | PERMALINK

Well said, Davis X. Machina. But I take issue with your attack on Subway. My God, man. Have you ever had the 6 inch. Veggie Delight on wheat? It is incredible.

By the way, Kevin. Where have all your posters gone? Used to be every thread in three digits. Now very few break fifty.

Posted by: Pat on June 11, 2007 at 9:17 AM | PERMALINK

"where have all your posters gone?"

Well, since the closing of the Bada Bing..........

Posted by: stupid git on June 11, 2007 at 9:31 AM | PERMALINK

Another non issue.

Let me guess--Bill Clinton never misspoke, did he? Bill Clinton never collapsed in a heap of hysterical laughter next to a besotted Boris Yeltsin on stage in front of people, did he?

No, of course not. The liberal meme is to destroy this President and anything they can do to achieve this is what passes for rigorous discourse in the first place.

Had Clinton not ensnared us in the grinding obligation that is the Balkans, we'd have more than enough troops to fight off the terrorists that liberals are cheering to victory. Too bad we have a President who won't play your game and try to destroy you back--he's got too much class for that.

Posted by: Norman Rogers on June 11, 2007 at 9:32 AM | PERMALINK

It is embarrassing whenever the President goes on a road trip. On this trip he has been seen drinking, "insulted" the Pope, and now he as committed this diplomatic screw up. Well he hasn't hit on the German prime minister this trip. At least not in public.

Can we just tell him to go on vacation for the next 18 months? He should stay in Crawford and cut brush or whatever.

Actually I think the picture of Bush drinking a beer tells us a lot. It is pretty well known that Bush is an alcoholic. It looks like he has fallen off the wagon.

Posted by: Ron Byers on June 11, 2007 at 9:51 AM | PERMALINK

Talk about pandering to the mob...

Posted by: Sean Scallon on June 11, 2007 at 9:52 AM | PERMALINK

Little Normie is on a roll - Twins must have beaten the Nationals.

Norm, $2,500 claimers at Evangaline Downs have far more class than Shrub the Rube and they're pumped with Lasix and Bute and wear four wraps - Yeah, he does play well in Elbonia - Keep shilling, baby!

Posted by: thethirdPaul on June 11, 2007 at 9:52 AM | PERMALINK

Kevin: "But is it really too much to ask the president of the United States to take his own policies seriously enough to actually know what they are?"

In other sords, George W. Bush really needs to stop getting stoned prior to press confrences.

Posted by: Donald from Hawaii on June 11, 2007 at 9:53 AM | PERMALINK

It's almost worthless to respond to someone who has shit-for-brains. But oh what the hell.Earth to norman. Clinton hasn't been president for six and a half years. You completely feckless moron. Don't you understand the importance of having a commander in chief who knows how to spell his own name? How many troops did we lose in the balkans war? How many are there now?

Posted by: Gandalf on June 11, 2007 at 9:56 AM | PERMALINK

Clinton hasn't been president for six and a half years.

Thank the Creator! But we've been in the Balkans since then, haven't we? And how do you know how many troops are there? Do you have a magical troop counting machine that tells you answers to questions you're not supposed to know? Did you ever stop to consider that that number is classified? Perhaps you should consider such things before you start whinnying about nonsense and carrying on like a liberal buffoon.

The fact of the matter is, we will maintain a troop strength in Iraq very similar to what we currently maintain in Korea--very easy to do and the Koreans pay for a good chunk of the cost. The Iraqis will pay their chunk as well.

What will liberals complain about then? No free Cadillac Escalades for welfare mothers? No free condoms for elementary school children? Awww, poor babies.

Posted by: Norman Rogers on June 11, 2007 at 10:00 AM | PERMALINK

Bless his heart, the president now goes to Albania to get some positive strokes? Oy gevalt.

"Sick Man of Europe"? Albania was right in there; you're thinking the Ottoman empire (or "greater Turkey," for those of us with a facetious streak).

Albania, by the way, is part of the inspiration for a recent novel by Harry Turtledove (he of the two-inch-thick alternate history novels). "Every Inch A King" is one part-riff on Ruritanian romances such as the Prisoner of Zenda, one part a sly picaresque novel, and a third part (third half?) a knowing sendup of Balkan politics, culture, history and societies, with a sprinkling of dragons and wizards, plus a surly innkeeper named Enver Hoxha and a pragmatic wizard whose moniicker is Zogu. It's darned close to priceless, but probably a little beyond the ken of our Chief Executive. Sigh.

Posted by: david ware on June 11, 2007 at 10:01 AM | PERMALINK

The Albanian crowd rush was kinda crazy. I think the SS may have lost control for a few minutes. The Prez was vulnerable.

Whatever you think of Shrub, think of how scary Pres. Cheney would be.

Posted by: wishIwuz2 on June 11, 2007 at 10:02 AM | PERMALINK

This whole Presidency has been utterly utterly amazing. You couldn't have made it up.

Posted by: Renwick on June 11, 2007 at 10:08 AM | PERMALINK

david ware,

Is it out on Classic Comics, yet? Lots of neato pics?

Posted by: George W on June 11, 2007 at 10:09 AM | PERMALINK

This whole Presidency has been utterly utterly amazing. You couldn't have made it up.

I would tend to agree--the stock market is up over 13,000 and those of us who do the hedge fund thing are smiling. I personally love this economy and I hope the tax cuts can find a way to be made permanent.

For those of you suffering--too bad. You should have signed on years ago and you'd be doing well right now. Look what your love of liberalism has left you--high and dry, and angrily condemning good people for doing the right thing.

Posted by: Norman Rogers on June 11, 2007 at 10:11 AM | PERMALINK

"Bush is popular" only because Bill Clinton helped to liberate or protect areas near Albania sharing its culture and peoples. Do you think the right-wing (why do they like Bush anyway?) or even the SCLM will give proper credit for that?

Meanwhile, check this out:

CNN link

Speaker removed

Iraqi parliament Speaker Mahmoud al-Mashhadani -- known for his blunt personality and lack of diplomacy -- was removed from his leadership post in a closed-door session Monday because of remarks he made last month, a Shiite lawmaker said.

...

As the parliamentary session descended into chaos, al-Mashhadani banged his gavel and chided his fellow legislators with a smile: "Three-quarters of those sitting here are responsible for displacement and killings; don't pretend to be the nationalists here."

Lawmakers groaned as al-Mashhadani adjourned the session.

CNN's Mohammed Tawfeeq, Cal Perry, Saad Abedine and Jomana Karadsheh contributed to this report.

Copyright 2007 CNN.

Posted by: Neil B. on June 11, 2007 at 10:11 AM | PERMALINK

Drinking in Europe?

Must have left his Nanny Harriet, at home.

Posted by: thethirdPaul on June 11, 2007 at 10:12 AM | PERMALINK

Right, Norman, after accounting for inflation the DJ is now exactly where it was in January 2001. You pathetic Princeton moron.

Posted by: Dcbob on June 11, 2007 at 10:19 AM | PERMALINK

Here's some more goodies about Bush, from Juan Cole

Monday, June 11, 2007

Bush uses Sudan, Iran Assets in Iraq;
US GIs Killed, Trapped in Bridge Rubble;
Al-Mashhadani Dismissed as Speaker;
Clashes, Demonstrations in Sadr City


Remember all that Bush administration bluster against Sudan? Turns out that the CIA is using Sudanese spies against the Iraqi guerrillas. Bush sees no enemies among the oil states, only opportunities to be exploited. Most Americans don't realize that Bush has also de facto deployed Iran-trained Badr Corps fighters against the Sunni Arabs in Iraq, as well. So Iran and Sudan are the great bogeymen in Bush rhetoric, but the pillars of his Iraq policy in reality.

That is why Senator Joe Lieberman's call for aggressive air strikes on Iran are unlikely to eventuate. Bush needs Abdul Aziz al-Hakim of the Supreme Islamic Iraqi Council in order to avoid immediate and complete defeat in Iraq, and SIIC is very, very close to Iran. Lieberman doesn't seem to understand, by the way, that Iraqi Shiites would mind the US bombing their coreligionists and would probably massacre the entire British garrison in Basra as well as interdict US fuel convoys to the north from Kuwait and Basra. His irresponsible warmongering would get a lot of US troops killed for no good reason. One only hopes he isn't talking this way primarily for the purposes of Israeli PM Ehud Olmert's rightwing government; he just met with Olmert and: "The two also discussed U.S. policy toward Iraq and the West's capabilities for dealing with the Iranian threat." If Lieberman and Olmert want to start another war, they should please do it themselves and leave American servicemen out of it.

Posted by: Neil B. on June 11, 2007 at 10:20 AM | PERMALINK

Right, Norman, after accounting for inflation the DJ is now exactly where it was in January 2001.

How much higher would it be if the World Trade Center had not been destroyed? In a manner of minutes, a trillion dollars in capital wealth disappeared from the face of the Earth. And we are just now getting back on the rails after the train was derailed by attacks and by war and strife. Pretty good, if you ask me!

You pathetic Princeton moron.

Oh? A pantywaist from a state school, eh? Well, I hope the vo-tech degree you hold in welding is allowing you to earn enough money to buy hotdogs and flat soda pop when you wander across the train tracks and visit that high-falutin' carnival that looks so inviting. Better yet, take a copy of your resume (printed on toilet paper! Yuk!) and see if they need a greaser in a wife-beater t-shirt to run the spinning teacup ride when Bubba Joe takes a potty break.

Posted by: Norman Rogers on June 11, 2007 at 10:26 AM | PERMALINK

Norman Rogers - Hedge funds are propped up, aren't they? A sort of welfare... I was hoping that your trash talk was a parody, but I think it is real. It reflects the whole Bushite idea that their kind of administration is designed to set things up so that lazy investors can just plop money into funds and collect dividends at lower tax rates, while those who actually do real work get the short end of the stick. And then all that complaining about welfare... I don't usually write like this, but: you are a sack of shit.

Posted by: Neil B. on June 11, 2007 at 10:30 AM | PERMALINK

I would tend to agree--the stock market is up over 13,000 and those of us who do the hedge fund thing are smiling. I personally love this economy and I hope the tax cuts can find a way to be made permanent.

For those of you suffering--too bad. You should have signed on years ago and you'd be doing well right now. Look what your love of liberalism has left you--high and dry, and angrily condemning good people for doing the right thing.

God knows what you're rambling about.

There are just over 2000 US troops left in the Balkans, by the way.

Posted by: Renwick on June 11, 2007 at 10:32 AM | PERMALINK

There are just over 2000 US troops left in the Balkans, by the way.

How do you know? Did you borrow the top secret soldier counting machine that other idiot forgot how to use?

And how do you know that those "2,000" soldiers aren't also tying down another "6,000" troops who need to supply and support them? And that could also mean naval and air force assets that are forced to remain in the region to also support that initial force.

My point was this--had Bill Clinton not gotten use tied down in the Balkans when he was misusing our military to cover up his illegal activities at home, we'd have another eight to ten thousand US troops to fight terrorism with. But when silly liberals prattle on about how they want the ragtag army of "freedom fighters" called the insurgency to win, well, what can one possibly do to interject common sense into the discussion?

And the real reason why the "comment" threads are down? Morons who post the same things over and over and over and over again without bothering to note that the political landscape is changing. Plus, Kevin isn't talking about things that liberals really care about, like surrendering to all of our enemies at once, higher taxes and legalizing drugs.

Posted by: Norman Rogers on June 11, 2007 at 10:42 AM | PERMALINK

What is this a whack-a-mole game. One incredible doushbag gets knocked down and another norman takes his place.

Posted by: Gandalf on June 11, 2007 at 10:53 AM | PERMALINK

The day Kevin Dumbo™ posts a seven paragraph dissertation on where to get the really good Mexicali bud that leaves the user with a toasted feeling for seven or eight hours straight is the day that the comment counter will sail past 500 in a matter of hours...

Hedge funds are propped up, aren't they? A sort of welfare...

Silly liberal, debating is for adults. Hedge funds are not "welfare." They are necessary in a world where people need to make money, sir. Capitalism is what we call it. You and your comrades from the San Francisco politburo can howl all you want, but this hombre is rolling in the sweet dinero. Ay yi yi!

doushbag

The correct spelling is "douche bag" or "douchebag." Had you ever been within sniffing distance of a discreet and discerning woman, you'd know what you were talking about.

Posted by: Norman Rogers on June 11, 2007 at 10:56 AM | PERMALINK

Don't you mean "Liar-in-Chief"?

"I know these WMDs are here someplace, ho ho"

Posted by: ckelly on June 11, 2007 at 11:15 AM | PERMALINK

Norman Rogers on June 11, 2007 at 10:42 AM:

Morons who post the same things over and over and over and over again without bothering to note that the political landscape is changing.

Pot, meet kettle.

..what can one possibly do to interject common sense into the discussion?

Fewer ravings by one Norman Rogers would help greatly in increasing the amount of common sense into the discussions on this site.

Oh, and as of February 2006:

About 1,700 U.S. troops serve in the 16,000-strong NATO-led mission in Kosovo.

You're changing from a mildly amusing parody to a troll who knows how to use spell check, Normie. It's very boring.

Posted by: grape_crush on June 11, 2007 at 11:16 AM | PERMALINK

What a stupid ditto-dork Norman Rogers is...

Where did you get your wit? A cracker jack box?

Posted by: elmo on June 11, 2007 at 11:18 AM | PERMALINK

Look, rnc, even if I were to agree that what you say about Democrats is true, you're talking here about a whole BIG group of people to some degree at odds with one another. What Kevin is pointing out is George Bush being at odds with HIMSELF!!

I really don't think that one is "like" the other. Do you? Really, do you?

We can get more specific. Hillary is very likely to be the 2008 candidate for your party. How's she doing on consistency? Or on having any policies at all?

Guess what: Bush isn't going to be running in 2008, but as long as you're all bashing him, you don't have to look at where your own party is going.

One thing you can bet on: You aren't going to be hearing the media buzz-word "gravitas" during the Democratic primaries this year. The last Democrat with gravitas got tossed out of the party on his ear. Ironically, had Gore been president, Leiberman would be a shoo-in for the Democratic candidate this time around.

Posted by: rnc on June 11, 2007 at 11:22 AM | PERMALINK

You aren't going to be hearing the media buzz-word "gravitas" during the Democratic primaries this year..

I'll agree. You won't be hearing anything serious or significant from the media. The "liberal" [ha] media will be far too busy lambasting Edwards for his haircuts or marveling in Romney's broad shoulders or how tough Fred Thompson is because he plays tough on TV.

Posted by: ckelly on June 11, 2007 at 11:28 AM | PERMALINK

How surprising that rnc mistakes out-of-control self-centeredness, unchecked ego, constant whining and a world-class sense of entitlement for "gravitas."

And how surprising that he/she/it can't even spell the names of the idiots it defends. If we could tax Republican ignorance and incompetence, our deficit problem would be solved pronto.

Posted by: shortstop on June 11, 2007 at 11:31 AM | PERMALINK

When the POTUS has to visit Albania in order to enjoy public popular support, you know the prestige of our nation has fallen quite far.

Posted by: Brojo on June 11, 2007 at 11:33 AM | PERMALINK

Oh, and as of February 2006:

Can you at least try to come up with something relevant? You insult me and then you try to refute me with data from sixteen months ago? Are you even trying to engage in meaningful discourse? Or are you still waiting for Kevin Dumbo™ to draw you a map to where the pirates keep all of the good Mary Jane?

Posted by: Norman Rogers on June 11, 2007 at 11:34 AM | PERMALINK

Add Kelly O'Donnell of NBC to that fawning group of shills for Shrub and the Repugs - She was oohing and aahing on MSNBC this morning about the reception given to Shrub by the Bulgarians.

They must have thought the Roman Legions were returning. Shrub at the head of a military unit yelling "Follow me, let's go AWOL, guys".

Posted by: thethirdPaul on June 11, 2007 at 11:41 AM | PERMALINK

...is it really too much to ask the president of the United States to take his own policies seriously enough to actually know what they are?

Yes

Posted by: Horatio Parker on June 11, 2007 at 11:41 AM | PERMALINK

What is this a whack-a-mole game. One incredible doushbag gets knocked down and another norman takes his place.

Posted by: Gandalf

Better clean your keyboard Gandalf: the keys must be sticking, is's spelled 'moron'.

Posted by: slanted tom on June 11, 2007 at 11:43 AM | PERMALINK
2,500 claimers at Evangaline Downs have far more class than Shrub ...thethirdPaul at 9:52 AM
The fertilizer they leave behind has more class than Normie or his Dear Leader who is capitalizing on Clinton's popularity. Posted by: Mike on June 11, 2007 at 12:16 PM | PERMALINK

Sometimes a riled-up conservative comes on here and says something that makes me think.

Sometimes one comes on here and says something dumb enough to make me laugh.

But Norman, you are one of the funniest fellas I've seen in a long, long while. Really, I think you're probably bad for us liberals -- reading arguments this bad likely makes us overconfident. Just because you're so, so wrong doesn't make us right.

Posted by: Brandon Claycomb on June 11, 2007 at 12:24 PM | PERMALINK

Norman

Question for you. If Clinton screwed us up because of the Balkans and thus we are getting hurt in Iraq, shouldn't the president do something about that instead of sending you out to the blogosphere to cry about it?

Here's a few easy ideas you should be behind instead of blaming Clinton for the bad showing in Iraq...

- Actually reach out to Europe or other countries to get them to share the burden of Iraq instead of alienating them which would mean that French and others can go after reconstruction which is one of the main reasons they didn't go

- Implement a draft so we can have overwhelming solidiers to really secure the place much better

- Impose a tax so we can afford to armor our vehicles so our boys don't get blown up

- Impose a base gas tax so that people don't consume so much gas so we can stop using so much and invest in other energy

- Impose a gas guzzling car surcharge which could be diverted to Iraq spending, so you can have your SUV and support the troops at the same time

- Create an energy research super fund with a prize for 50 and 100mpg car prototypes

Well I am sure that you will have lots to say about these "bad ideas." I am sure your good idea instead will be something like

- Pass a law to make sure the media tells how great things are going over in Iraq and in the case it is bad make sure to mention that Clinton did something similar or caused it

Posted by: Norman Norman Norman on June 11, 2007 at 12:28 PM | PERMALINK

Norman

Question for you. If Clinton screwed us up because of the Balkans and thus we are getting hurt in Iraq, shouldn't the president do something about that instead of sending you out to the blogosphere to cry about it?

Here's a few easy ideas you should be behind instead of blaming Clinton for the bad showing in Iraq...

- Actually reach out to Europe or other countries to get them to share the burden of Iraq instead of alienating them which would mean that French and others can go after reconstruction which is one of the main reasons they didn't go

- Implement a draft so we can have overwhelming solidiers to really secure the place much better

- Impose a tax so we can afford to armor our vehicles so our boys don't get blown up

- Impose a base gas tax so that people don't consume so much gas so we can stop using so much and invest in other energy

- Impose a gas guzzling car surcharge which could be diverted to Iraq spending, so you can have your SUV and support the troops at the same time

- Create an energy research super fund with a prize for 50 and 100mpg car prototypes

Well I am sure that you will have lots to say about these "bad ideas." I am sure your good idea instead will be something like

- Pass a law to make sure the media tells how great things are going over in Iraq and in the case it is bad make sure to mention that Clinton did something similar or caused it

Posted by: Norman Norman Norman on June 11, 2007 at 12:29 PM | PERMALINK
.... we'd have another eight to ten thousand US troops to fight terrorism with....Norman Rogers at 10:42 AM
Not even in your drunken wet dreams. The number of troops in Kosova stands at 1500 and they will be losing their combat status.

Top Defense Department officials are considering a proposal to downgrade the combat status of U.S. forces who are part of the NATO peacekeeping mission in Kosovo, a decision that could cause the 1,500 U.S. soldiers currently deployed there to lose hundreds or even thousands of dollars each month in tax benefits and combat pay.
Such a decision, expected within the next month, would indicate that Pentagon officials do not believe Kosovo is still a combat zone...

.... we will maintain a troop strength in Iraq very similar to what we currently maintain in Korea....The Iraqis will pay their chunk as well.... Norman Rogers at 10:00 AM

That fantasy was a laugh when Feith and Wolfowitz first proposed that Iraq oil money would pay for the war: 500,000,000,000 and counting. You armchair heroes need to hie your arses to Baghdad.

Posted by: Mike on June 11, 2007 at 12:32 PM | PERMALINK
But is it really too much to ask the president of the United States to take his own policies seriously enough to actually know what they are?

I think it is a bit unjustified to assume that the vague aspiration for a deadline expressed in the earlier of the statements you quote represented anything even remotely resembling a "policy".

Posted by: cmdicely on June 11, 2007 at 12:33 PM | PERMALINK

Norman Rogers on June 11, 2007 at 11:34 AM:

Can you at least try to come up with something relevant?

You first.

You insult me..

It's not that difficult, you know.

..then you try to refute me with data from sixteen months ago?

That's because I had already seen this.

Not doing so well today, are you, Normie?

Are you even trying to engage in meaningful discourse?

I'd have to find out if you are capable of meaningful discourse, first.

Or are you still waiting for Kevin Dumbo™ to draw you a map to where the pirates keep all of the good Mary Jane?

Is that some sort of odd reference to that Disney Caribbean Pirate movie that's out?

Posted by: grape_crush on June 11, 2007 at 12:43 PM | PERMALINK

"Don't forget Bulgaria"

Posted by: R.L. on June 11, 2007 at 12:43 PM | PERMALINK

Ah, Kevin.

Why don't you write about all the cheering, adoring crowds that met the President in Alabania? THey love him there, as in Bulgaria. They held up pictures of his wife and generally adored him. showing him adoration.

Plus, rememebr that Alabania is a Muslim country. It's good for the world muslims to see this footage of adoring muslims in Albania cheering on Bush. That's PR you can't buy. I also believe Alabania is the canary in the cole mine, so to speak. Could be a portent for good things to come.

Posted by: egbert on June 11, 2007 at 1:04 PM | PERMALINK

I also believe Alabania is the canary in the cole mine

I picture small yellow birds belting out "Night and Day" and "It's Delovely."

I love old egbert.

Posted by: shortstop on June 11, 2007 at 1:17 PM | PERMALINK

Why do reporters keep laughing at his foolishness?

Posted by: Rula Lenska on June 11, 2007 at 1:26 PM | PERMALINK

Plus, rememebr that Alabania is a Muslim country. It's good for the world muslims to see this footage of adoring muslims in Albania cheering on Bush.

The neocons are already pressuring Bush to bomb Albania, since in neocon theology that's the only way to get a country to really respect us.

Posted by: bob on June 11, 2007 at 2:04 PM | PERMALINK

"How much higher would it be if the World Trade Center had not been destroyed? In a manner of minutes, a trillion dollars in capital wealth disappeared from the face of the Earth."

The earnings losses, property damage, and cleanup costs associated with the WTC were on the order of $35 billion dollars. You pathetic Princeton moron.

Posted by: dcbob on June 11, 2007 at 2:10 PM | PERMALINK

Bush creates diplomatic kerfuffle with Serbia
Serbian outrage over Bush remarks
SOFIA, Bulgaria (CNN) – U.S. President George W. Bush was returning home Monday after an eight-day European tour dominated by concerns over American plans for a Europe-based missile defense system and the future status of the Serbian province of Kosovo.
Serbian Prime Minister Vojislav Kostunica said Monday that his country was "rightfully embittered" by Bush's remarks in support of Kosovan independence made during a brief stopover Sunday in Albania, adding that the United States "has no right to give away Serbia's territory to Albanians," according to a government news release.
"America must find another way to show its affection and love for the [Kosovan] Albanians, without offering them Serb territories," Kostunica told Serbian national television.
"Serbia is rightfully outraged at the American policies on the issue of Kosovo."...

What will the Serb's ally Putin have to say about this new gaff? Stay tuned to the Adventures of the Ugly American: Amok in the Eurozone.

Posted by: Mike on June 11, 2007 at 2:29 PM | PERMALINK

Ah yes, why didn't we all sign on? Maybe because you have to be an accredited investor to be able to invest in a hedge fund. Which means, be worth a million bucks, or earn $200k a year for at least two years in a row. Well, that eliminates all but 1% of the american population. You really are very silly Norman.

Posted by: royalblue_tom on June 11, 2007 at 2:57 PM | PERMALINK

Bush's humor is very reminiscent of the Last King of Scotland.

Posted by: ogmb on June 11, 2007 at 5:42 PM | PERMALINK

Why do reporters keep laughing at his foolishness?

Posted by: Rula Lenska on June 11, 2007 at 1:26 PM | PERMALINK

Becuase they want to get home on the press 'plane?

Same psychology at the White house. They want to be able to ask questions and get directions from "a reliable source" or that very busy A. Nonymous source.

Kibuki?

Posted by: notthere on June 11, 2007 at 5:45 PM | PERMALINK

When the POTUS has to visit Albania in order to enjoy public popular support, you know the prestige of our nation has fallen quite far.

Posted by: Brojo on June 11, 2007 at 11:33 AM

Where will he visit a year from now? Nauru?

Posted by: Vincent on June 11, 2007 at 7:53 PM | PERMALINK

Where will he visit a year from now? Nauru?

"We submit respectfully that the willful destruction of entire countries and cultures, with foreknowledge, would represent an unspeakable crime against humanity. No nation has the right to place its own, misconstrued national interest before the physical and cultural survival of whole countries."
--Kinza Clodumar, former President of the Pacific Island nation of Nauru, which is threatened with destruction from the rising sea level caused by global warming

Nah, I don't think so.

Posted by: snicker-snack on June 11, 2007 at 8:56 PM | PERMALINK

"The reporters laughed."

Unfortunately, that about sums up the last 6 years...thi ignorance and immaturity of this asshole are never challenged. The press, eager to be on the good side of the frat-boy, just chuckle along.

Posted by: marty on June 11, 2007 at 9:25 PM | PERMALINK

But is it really too much to ask the president of the United States to take his own policies seriously enough to actually know what they are?

Was it stomach flu or a hang-over? Can we even be sure he knows what day it is?

Posted by: beb on June 11, 2007 at 10:44 PM | PERMALINK

By the way, isn't it ironic that Bush has finally gone to a country that is showering him with praise and idolatry and that country is...ALBANIA!?!

Bush is being praised strictly because of the policies of Bill Clinton. It certainly was no help from most Republicans that Clinton took the politically risky step to support a combined US-NATO effort to stop the ethnic cleansing in Kosovo and basically kick the Serbs out.
During his presidency Bill Clinton was mobbed in Ireland, in Africa, in SE Asia. Yet one of the only places on Earth Bush is not despised is Albania, and that's because of the efforts of his bete noir, Bill Clinton.
Too funny.

Posted by: John on June 12, 2007 at 1:47 AM | PERMALINK

"The reporters laughed."

Unfortunately, that about sums up the last 6 years...thi ignorance and immaturity of this asshole are never challenged. The press, eager to be on the good side of the frat-boy, just chuckle along.

Posted by: marty on June 11, 2007 at 9:25 PM

Or be obsequious. Ever listen to Mark Knoller (sic), White House correspondent for CBS radio, with his constant fawning references to "Mr. Bush"? (Which brings up a question -- why do broadcast media still use the courtesy title for the president and no one else, not even other world leaders? The Washington Post stopped this practice about 30 years ago. Hey, broadcasters -- we elected him, not coronated him; if you want a damn king, move to England.) And it's not partisan -- Knoller acted the same way during the Clinton administration. I suppose some of us prefer "royalty"; it's easier than thinking.

Oh, one final comment regarding Albania, and this is a true story: Many years ago, the school district our family attended had a policy where blank report cards had addresses filled in by students, and teachers would then add the grades; the cards were subsequently mailed. Summer came, and no report card for my younger brother had arrived. Our family was growing concerned. What had happened? Well, he knew his grades were going to be horrible, so he listed a fictional address in Tirana, Albania -- and the card was mailed there! Eventually we received the card in the mail, guessing someone in the Tirana post office got a good laugh over the poor grades the imperialist Americans were getting. We eventually got a laugh out of it, too. As for why it was mailed there, I guess someone in the school system was tired that day, confused "Albania" with "Albany," and thought the family was summering in upstate New York (or downstate Georgia).

Posted by: Vincent on June 12, 2007 at 10:46 AM | PERMALINK




 

 

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