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June 12, 2007
By: Kevin Drum

COMMITTED....Rudy Giuliani unveiled his "12 Commitments" to the American people today. James Joyner is seriously unimpressed. And he's a conservative.

In any case, I guess Rudy will be barnstorming America this summer to put some meat on the bones of each one of his commitments. I can't wait.

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Shouldn't it be 15 commitments in order to include the ones to his multiple spouses?

Posted by: gregor on June 12, 2007 at 4:58 PM | PERMALINK

Josh Marshall at TPM got a campaign contribution e-mail from Giuliani via the Jerusalem Post. How odd is that? Any people think that Romney panders.

Posted by: JeffII on June 12, 2007 at 4:58 PM | PERMALINK

Didn't conservatives fail to deliver on like 90% of the Contract On- er, I mean With America?

Posted by: osama_been_forgotten on June 12, 2007 at 5:01 PM | PERMALINK

Same reaction as Gregor, will Giuliani honor these commitments with the same rigor as his multiple, prior marital commitments? Color me unimpressed.

Posted by: ckelly on June 12, 2007 at 5:11 PM | PERMALINK

Just because he did not deliver on his first two commitments, idiot liberal bloggers will assume that he will fail on the other ones too.

Posted by: KenBaer on June 12, 2007 at 5:17 PM | PERMALINK

Nah, we assume he'll fail because they are, for the most part, rather idiotic (not to mention unachievable) commitments. And until they are actually backed up by solid proposals, it's just more election-year pie-in-the-sky, a chicken-in-every-pot pandering.

Posted by: PaulB on June 12, 2007 at 5:24 PM | PERMALINK

The late Senator Paul Simon says he once had a voter stand up at a meeting with ten ways to improve America. The first nine all involved higher expenditures. The tenth was lower taxes.

George Bush has proved that somebody dumber than that voter can become President. Giuliani thinks that being dumber than that voter is the way to become President.

If Rudy does get elected, somebody should keep a running total of how many illegal immigrants he finds. Maybe they could make a thermometer like fundraisers do, with 12 million at the top of the thermometer.

Posted by: reino on June 12, 2007 at 5:32 PM | PERMALINK

This country needs jobs.

This country needs affordable health care.

F--- the terrorists, security and warfare is a cash cow for those of us who can't seem to grasp what violence is all about (it sucks, but you have to look at the forces that drive it and not expect a few well placed million dollar bombs to solve it!).

The judicial system needs neutral judges, folks who have studied US Constitutional law and aren't keen on bending or distorting it (torture-lite?).

Accountability means being honest. We tend to forget that early on in our history, Philadelphia was the economic engine that galvanized the Colonies. Much of Philly was a direct offshoot of Penn's Holy (Quaker )experiment. Folks liked doing business with quakers because they were honest, delivered the goods and had scruples to boot!

Until Rudy can explain the events of 9-11 I just can't trust him. Something about that day just doesn't add up. (PNAC?)

Health Insurance is an easy one. Cut school taxes by 50% and divert the dollars into a co-pay plan for all. Then take ____% out of defense pork spending and use it to make up the difference in school taxes.


Posted by: Tom Nicholson on June 12, 2007 at 5:34 PM | PERMALINK

Giuliani forgot the Pony!

Posted by: ckelly on June 12, 2007 at 5:41 PM | PERMALINK

Just remember, he doesn't have to beat Franklin Roosevelt in the election. Just Hillary, and she couldn't nail down a commitment of any kind to save her life. Check the polls lately?

Posted by: rnc on June 12, 2007 at 5:44 PM | PERMALINK

Rudy's Twelve Commandments

1. I am the Lord, your God of 9/11.

2. Thou shalt refer to me as America's Mayor.

3. Thou shalt not make any graven images; fuck the First Amendment.

4. Thou shalt not call a combover vain.

5. Honor thy father and thy mother, but shtup thy second cousin.

6. I shalt deny knowledge of Bernie Kerik's corruption.

6. Thou shalt not kill, unless employed by the N.Y.P.D.

7. I shalt commit adultery.

8. I shalt have an entire staff committed to bearing false witness.

9. I shalt covet my press secretary's ass.

10. I shalt covet the White House.

11. Thou shalt speak ill of those unqualified crackers, Thompson and Gingrich.

12. What's in it for me?

Posted by: Roger Ailes on June 12, 2007 at 5:49 PM | PERMALINK

"Just Hillary, and she couldn't nail down a commitment of any kind to save her life. Check the polls lately?"

Dear heart, Hillary has been on top of, or competitive with, Giuliani in just about as many polls as she has been under him. And this is before Giuliani has been well and truly exposed to the voters, most of whom only know him as "the hero of 9/11." Moreover, it's not even remotely a done deal that either of those candidates will win their respective nominations.

I find it interesting, by the way, that you are desperately (and pathetically) trying to turn attention away from Giuliani's commitments. Why is that, dear?

Posted by: PaulB on June 12, 2007 at 5:58 PM | PERMALINK

I don't know that Giuliani, with his questionable mental health, really wants the word "commitment" attached to his name....

Posted by: Stefan on June 12, 2007 at 6:02 PM | PERMALINK

Speaking of "latest polls," dear, care to comment on what's been happening to St. Rudy in the polls that focus solely on the Republican nomination? He seems to be having a little trouble.

Posted by: PaulB on June 12, 2007 at 6:04 PM | PERMALINK

Just remember, he doesn't have to beat Franklin Roosevelt in the election. Just Hillary, and she couldn't nail down a commitment of any kind to save her life. Check the polls lately?

As I recall the last time Giuliani ran against Clinton, in the 2000 New York Senate race, he was so scared of facing her that he cut and ran and quit the election altogether.

Posted by: Stefan on June 12, 2007 at 6:05 PM | PERMALINK

Health Insurance is an easy one. Cut school taxes by 50% and divert the dollars into a co-pay plan for all. Then take ____% out of defense pork spending and use it to make up the difference in school taxes.

Go look up some actual numbers and see how that works.

Posted by: harry on June 12, 2007 at 6:15 PM | PERMALINK

As I recall the last time Giuliani ran against Clinton, in the 2000 New York Senate race, he was so scared of facing her that he cut and ran and quit the election altogether.

In 2008, Hillary is going to have to impress someone besides New Yorkers.

Posted by: rnc on June 12, 2007 at 6:24 PM | PERMALINK

In 2008, Rudy is going to have to impress someone besides bedwetters.

Posted by: reino on June 12, 2007 at 6:33 PM | PERMALINK

In 2008, Hillary is going to have to impress someone besides New Yorkers.

Well, we'll just have to wait and see if Rudy quits to spend more time with his mistress like he did last time....

Posted by: Stefan on June 12, 2007 at 6:37 PM | PERMALINK

As I've said before, if Republicans are really so desperate to vote for a tough on crime, tough on terrorism, fiscally conservative, pro-abortion, pro-gay New Yorker who enjoys wearing pearls, dresses and high heels then why not just vote for Hillary Clinton?

Posted by: Stefan on June 12, 2007 at 6:47 PM | PERMALINK

I was really hoping he'd mention ferrets.

Posted by: calling all toasters on June 12, 2007 at 7:10 PM | PERMALINK

"Seriously unimpressed"?

Yep, works for me......

For one thing "The Twelve Commitments" sounds mostly like some kind of drug-rehab program, or the sort of self-help "systems" pitched to the trailer-park crowd late at night on cable TV by guys in cheap suits.

For another, Rudy's points seem mainly to consist of airy, platitudinous boilerplate - feel-good generalities that, apparently, some consultant told him would do well as sound bites.
What a yawn.

Next!

Posted by: Jay C on June 12, 2007 at 7:16 PM | PERMALINK

How to get elected as a republican in america:

1. Find out what are the major disatisfiers to middle america.

2. Promise to commit yourself to fixing them (and promise to never saying words like 'disatisfier').

3. Put name on ballot.

Posted by: jg on June 12, 2007 at 7:18 PM | PERMALINK

Rudy Giuliani is a Great Man. Greater than you all can imagine. His greatness is beyond liberal comprehension. You all hate freedom and are so stupid and dumb.

Go ahead, find us another human being who can give a press conference in a difficult time as well as Rudy did. Those press conferences make him a hero. But you hating liberals can't see that. You don't know heroism.

Posted by: Free Lover of Freedom and Free Liberty on June 12, 2007 at 7:25 PM | PERMALINK

Do any real trolls post here anymore?

Posted by: gert on June 12, 2007 at 7:38 PM | PERMALINK

I understand he originally had 18 Commitments but he dropped one of the tablets while climbing down the stairs.

Posted by: bill on June 12, 2007 at 7:56 PM | PERMALINK

Posted by: Stefan on June 12, 2007 at 6:47 PM


If HRC runs against Rudy that would be awesome if she trotted out that one.

Posted by: Joe Klein's conscience on June 12, 2007 at 8:16 PM | PERMALINK

I always look forward to Free Lover of Freedom and Free Liberty's rare appearances.

Posted by: shortstop on June 12, 2007 at 8:44 PM | PERMALINK

I like Stefan's 6:37 even better: last time Rudi ran against Hillary, he quit the race to spend more time with his mistress.

Posted by: Emma Anne on June 12, 2007 at 8:45 PM | PERMALINK

Is it just me -- or is anybody else noticing that Rudy Giuliani's personal demeanor and knack for gesticulation are eerily similar to those displayed by Imperial Italy's Il Duce, Benito Mussolini?

Posted by: Donald from Hawaii on June 12, 2007 at 10:11 PM | PERMALINK

Like most conservative rhetoric, Giuliani's "commitments" (gag me), range from the vague (#6) to the absurd (#4 - Cut taxes? We are $7 trillion in debt, chump!). Simple-minded people like banal, prescriptive lists like these (remember the Contract on America?), because it doesn't require nuanced thinking. And those are the only people that will vote for this little fascist turd.

A lisping, diminuitive comb-over whose last name cannot be spelled correctly by 98% of Americans without looking, will never, ever be elected president.

Posted by: The Conservative Deflator on June 12, 2007 at 10:22 PM | PERMALINK

In 2008, Rudy is going to have to impress someone besides bedwetters.

Bedwetting, indeed. America's Mayor had a case of the piddles over a preposterously unworkable plot to blow up JFK airport.

However, Michael Bloomberg shone. He may have dressed up the words a bit, but you can read between the lines:

"I'm a Noo Yawker. You can't scare me. I don't waste fear on bull like that."

Posted by: ThresherK on June 12, 2007 at 10:22 PM | PERMALINK

James Joyner isn't exactly the sharpest tool in the Bush box: like Kevin Drum he edits comments without noting that they were edited, and he also didn't know that his site uses nofollow tags.

Jay C says: Rudy's points seem mainly to consist of airy, platitudinous boilerplate - feel-good generalities that, apparently, some consultant told him would do well as sound bites.
What a yawn.

I agree. Unfortunately, at least #2 on Rudy's list sounds very similar to promises made by Democrats... at the same time as they're encouraging even more IllegalImmigration.

If the Dems were smart they'd point out how Rudy's ForeignersOnly IDCard would actually evolve into a NationalIDCard. The problem, of course, is that they aren't smart enough to either oppose that idea or to point out the flaws in Rudy's plans.

Posted by: TLB on June 12, 2007 at 10:33 PM | PERMALINK

I can not believe that Apollo 13 and I are the only two people who hear Sylvester the Cat every time Rudy openth hith mouth. (C'mon - you know you just heard Sylvesther thay Tacth cutth)

Posted by: Blue Girl, Red State (aka G.C.) on June 12, 2007 at 10:45 PM | PERMALINK

I have long thought that Maximum Rudy should be committed....

Posted by: bmaz on June 12, 2007 at 10:47 PM | PERMALINK

I was really hoping he'd mention ferrets.
Posted by: calling all toasters on June 12, 2007 at 7:10 PM

totally!

Posted by: Jeff S. on June 12, 2007 at 10:50 PM | PERMALINK

I agree bmaz. Why don't you draft a brief and we will submit it to the court...

Posted by: Blue Girl, Red State (aka G.C.) on June 12, 2007 at 10:50 PM | PERMALINK

Am scared; you now have the drop on me.

Posted by: bmaz on June 12, 2007 at 11:02 PM | PERMALINK
Like most conservative rhetoric, Giuliani's "commitments" (gag me), range from the vague (#6) to the absurd (#4 - Cut taxes? We are $7 trillion in debt, chump!).

Cutting taxes isn't necessarily absurd; something like what Wesley Clark discussed in 2004 (cutting income taxes drastically for most Americans up through somewhat above the median income while increasing taxes on higher earners) wouldn't necessarily be unreasonable, and could be fairly described as a tax cut—since it might not cut the total taxes collected, but would cut taxes for most people.

But, being a Republican, that's probably not what Giuliani is talking about.

Posted by: cmdicely on June 12, 2007 at 11:10 PM | PERMALINK

I'm with Jay C. Rudy's points seem mainly to consist of airy, platitudinous boilerplate - feel-good generalities

In fact, they're almost contradictory.

"#1 Keep America on offense in the Terrorists’ War" seems to mean focusing on attacking terrorists abroad.

But, "#10. every community in America is prepared for terrorist attacks and natural disasters." seems to mean focusing on Homeland Security.

I guess he's promising to focus on both areas, but at the same time he promises, #4 Cut taxes."

I think releasing this impossible combination of wishful-thinking goals will hurt Rudy politically.

Posted by: ex-liberal on June 12, 2007 at 11:22 PM | PERMALINK

"If Rudy does get elected, somebody should keep a running total of how many illegal immigrants he finds. Maybe they could make a thermometer like fundraisers do, with 12 million at the top of the thermometer."

I kind of like that idea. It's in the let's-just-fuck-with-'em-to-fuck-with-'em tradition, but I doubt that'd be the worst thing in the world. For a while now, I've thought there should be a running total of how many days since bin Laden has evaded capture since Bush promised he'd find him. Anything in that vein, anything that'll raise the blood pressure of the Republicans without making us look bad, is fine by me.

Posted by: Brian on June 13, 2007 at 12:02 AM | PERMALINK

I love it when a conservative begins his campaign by a central pledge to destroy the public schools.

He's upfront about hatred for the public schools. We need to be upfront in destroying him.

Posted by: POed Lib on June 13, 2007 at 12:08 AM | PERMALINK

POed Lib, your point accurately focuses on a key difference between liberals and conservatives:

Liberal are more concerned about the schools.
Conservatives are more concerned about the students.

Posted by: ex-liberal on June 13, 2007 at 12:44 AM | PERMALINK

Liberal are more concerned about the schools.
Conservatives are more concerned about the students.

It appears that what Conservatives are most concerned about is the bumper stickers.

Posted by: craigie on June 13, 2007 at 12:49 AM | PERMALINK

Craigie, as always, you nailed it.

Posted by: Blue Girl, Red State (aka G.C.) on June 13, 2007 at 12:58 AM | PERMALINK

Guilliani's 12 Commitments translated from vague politician-speak to plain English (I would like to point out before starting that in no way does any of this constitute a personal or ad hominem attack on Mr. Giulianni whatsoever, I am simply pointing out the principles behind this document and will not comment on the man himself):

1. I will bomb Iran back to the stone age after I annihilate Iraq with nukes.

2. I will terrorize all people darker than pink in the name of ending illegal immigration and fighting terrorism while actually doing absolutely nothing to even slow either.

3. Your taxes will only go to defense spending and my major corporate backers from now on.

4. More tax cuts for the rich.

5. I will rid Washington of my political enemies. Krystalnacht for liberals.

6. Iran is ours.

7. I will disregard this commitment once I'm elected.

8. I have telekinesis and can move things with my mind.

9. Don't worry James Dobson, I'll do whatever you tell me, I'm your man.

10. I will ensure that every community in America is so scared of being attacked by vaguely-defined, unreasoning terrorists that they are willing to give up every constitutional right they have ever had.

11. I will further defund public schools that have already been so hopelessly defunded that they make an easy target for people who say public schools don't work.

12. I will bomb Iran.

Posted by: d. b. cooper on June 13, 2007 at 2:48 AM | PERMALINK

"Liberal are more concerned about the schools.
Conservatives are more concerned about the students."
--ex-liberal

Oh, really? Is that why conservatives consistently de-fund education and insist on teaching kids mythical nonsense like creationism? Concern?

Talk is cheap.

Posted by: The Conservative Deflator on June 13, 2007 at 6:24 AM | PERMALINK

# 3 below is impossible if he were to even begin to accomplish # 1 and # 2.

1. I will keep America on offense in the Terrorists’ War on Us.


2. I will end illegal immigration, secure our borders, and identify every non-citizen in our nation.


3. I will restore fiscal discipline and cut wasteful Washington spending.

If his public maritial bliss wasn't enough to give us a clue, these 12 points should tell all of us that this guy is a L O S E R.

Posted by: Chief on June 13, 2007 at 7:22 AM | PERMALINK

Conservatives do not care about students. Since 1965, conservatives have engaged in a systematic, coordinated attack on the teaching profession. As a result, American schools have been damaged, directly, by this conservative attack. Students are less respectful, students are less able and teachers have more trouble.

This is due to many things. One EXTREMELY important component is the destructive, anti-teacher campaign run by conservatives. The teaching profession used to be a respected one. Now, thanks to the conservative attack machine, teachers are much less respected.

Why do conservatives hate teachers?

Posted by: POed Lib on June 13, 2007 at 8:15 AM | PERMALINK

If anybody has the least doubt that POed Lib is correct, they should view Bob Dole's 1996 acceptance speech.

Posted by: reino on June 13, 2007 at 8:34 AM | PERMALINK

"ex-liberal" wrote: Conservatives are more concerned about the students

Three words: Abstinence-only education.

Jackass.

Posted by: Gregory on June 13, 2007 at 8:55 AM | PERMALINK

Now, an intelligent person might ask, "WHY do conservatives hate teachers?"

1) Teachers are not controlled by conservatives.

2) Teachers are concerned with truth, not delivering Repukeliscum lies.

3) Teachers mold minds.

4) If the conservative attack machine can damage the public school system, they can get the money sent to the public schools to run their own private racist minority-free academies.

# 4 is of course the real reason. Prior to BvBoE, the public schools were pretty good. As soon as BvBoE came down, the students began to learn less. Did the students actually learn less? Of course not, silly. It was those brown faces in classes which were the problem.

Posted by: POed Lib on June 13, 2007 at 9:29 AM | PERMALINK

What Rudy's bold statements about terrorism hide is the fact that he has been an ardent supporter of the IRA for years, including the time that the IRA was planting bombs in shopping malls.

Rudy has attended numerous NORAID fundraisers for the IRA. If a politician had attended a similar Hamas fundraiser for 'humanitarian' work he would rightly point out that it is simply a front for raising funds for terrorism.

By Rudy's own definition he is a supporter of terrorists and a terrorist himself. Rudy raised the money to buy the bombs, he is just as guilty as the people who planted them.

Posted by: PHB on June 13, 2007 at 10:15 AM | PERMALINK

"impress the bedwetters"

Been changing the sheets for Chris Matthews?

FAUX, yes, conservatives do love children - Either having them sit on their knee or using a paddle on their cute little back sides.

Posted by: thethirdPaul on June 13, 2007 at 10:31 AM | PERMALINK

Rudy alway struck me as a little unhinged, but I never realized it had gone so far that he'd had 12 commitments

Posted by: rea on June 13, 2007 at 10:32 AM | PERMALINK

moses (rudy) met with god behind the burning "bush" and now he is revealing the 12 committments

wow!

if you made this up, people wouldn't find it funny, it would be too incredulous

rudy casting himself as moses

a religious leader, lawgiver, prophet, military leader and historian

wow! what a metaphor!

Posted by: jamzo on June 13, 2007 at 10:47 AM | PERMALINK

jamzo -
check out pic #1 on the ny daily news site:


http://www.nydailynews.com/

Posted by: sean on June 13, 2007 at 12:12 PM | PERMALINK

Thought his campaign's phrasing of the "Terrorist's War on Us" was kind of interesting. The new and improved framing of the War on Terror I suppose. Might be effective but it sounds awkward, somehow.

Posted by: demisod on June 13, 2007 at 12:54 PM | PERMALINK

roger ailes: rudy's 12 commandments: 12. What's in it for me?

Rudy Guiliani assets reported to divorce court - 2001: $7,000

Rudy Guiliani net worth disclosed in federal election reports - 2007: $30 million

Posted by: mr. irony on June 13, 2007 at 5:28 PM | PERMALINK

Will Rudy rule by decree?

Posted by: DILBERT DOGBERT on June 14, 2007 at 12:26 AM | PERMALINK




 

 

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