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June 29, 2007

ADVENTURES IN POLLING....As Eric Kleefeld noted, there's a real gem towards the end of the latest Fox News poll (.pdf).

This has to be a first. In its new poll, Fox News asked what may well be the ultimate in jingoistic, rally-around-the-flag questions -- and the Democrats came out on top:

"If there is an all-out war between the United States and various radical Muslim groups worldwide, who would you rather have in charge -- Democrats or Republicans?"

Democrats 41%, Republicans 38%, Both the same 9%, Don't know 12%

As Eric put it, "The question of which party the people would trust more to lead World War III against a global coalition of Islamofascists should have been a gimme for the Republicans. But they couldn't even manage to get a plurality." Ouch.

Of course, given the rather silly wording of the question, this probably wasn't the result Fox News was hoping for. Indeed, once a month the partisan network releases a poll, and once a month we see shamelessly slanted questions that no legitimate news outlet would ever want to include in a valid survey.

From May's FNC poll: "Recently Democratic Leader of the Senate Harry Reid said that the war 'is lost' in Iraq. Do you feel this was an acceptable thing or an unacceptable thing for Reid to say while U.S. troops are still in the field fighting?"

From April's: "Considering that over the past twelve months the stock market is up, employment has increased and the disposable income of U.S. workers has increased, do you think the news media has generally done a good job or bad job providing accurate news about the nation's economy?"

From March's: "Do you think the Democratic Party should allow a grassroots organization like Moveon.org to take it over or should it resist this type of takeover?"

Pretty soon, someone might get the sense that Fox News is trying to skew its polls to advance some kind of political agenda. Shocking, I know.

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"If there is an all-out war between the United States and various radical Muslim groups worldwide, who would you rather have in charge -- Democrats or Republicans?"

Obviously the phrase "who would you rather have in charge" is referring to "various radical Muslim groups worldwide", and the American people rightfully chose the Democrats....

Posted by: Disputo on June 29, 2007 at 9:10 AM | PERMALINK

Without the intellectually sophisticated and and nuanced presentation of the news by Fox, we would not have plain speaking Supreme Court judges like Roberts. Who else would have had the courage to opine that 'the way to end racial discrimination is to end racial discrimination'?


It is the legion of well informed viewers of Fox news who gave us the enlightened administration of Cheney that has made it possible for the appointment of Roberts and Alito who will finally be able to solve all our problems like mixing of the races, multicuturalism, too much consumer power that makes it difficult for corporations to make profit by fixing prices, too many rules that allow the female employees to sue their employers for inadvertently paying them less than their male counterparts, and predatory laws that allow the shareholders to impede the CEOs from getting just rewards for their hard work, just to list a few.

Posted by: gregor on June 29, 2007 at 9:16 AM | PERMALINK

Do you think Chinese fish farmers only use toxic and illegal veternary drugs for farming the five species banned from import by the FDA -- or do you think they also use such practices for species that make up the bulk of their imports: tilapia, scallops, cod and pollock?

Posted by: rewolfrats on June 29, 2007 at 9:18 AM | PERMALINK

The problem is: if we have a war with the Moslems, the Dems would support the Moslems if a Republican is leading the effort.

Posted by: Freedom Fighter on June 29, 2007 at 9:24 AM | PERMALINK

gregor, you left out Cheney's mind-meld of Clarence Thomas stating that high school students have no right to free speech while at school. Thank Darwin, er, I mean God, that teachers no longer need to abide outbursts in their classrooms. Now, if only he can work on those damnable college professors.....

I also note from the Fox poll:
Do you get coverage from:
Yes
Television coverage 88%
Newspaper coverage 69%
Radio coverage 51%
Internet news sites 38%
Web logs or blogs 11%
YouTube 7%
MySpace 4%

I always knew this was a special bunch; one in nine!!!!!

Posted by: TJM on June 29, 2007 at 9:28 AM | PERMALINK

But we don't need no "fairness doctrine"! I'm still trying to figure out HOW this story about Dems trying to bring back the FD got started? I know about the idiotic story with Inoye (?) and his fabrication...so, is that what got the legs to get around and get this going? Actually it benefits REPUG/CONSERVES more to perpetuate this myth...because as we all know liberal/left talk means you hear both sides...right wing talk means JUST LISTEN TO WHAT WE TELL YOU IS THE TRUTH!!!

Posted by: Dancer on June 29, 2007 at 9:38 AM | PERMALINK

Freedom Fighter: Your arguments would carry more weight if you were not the same person who last year was caught impersonating a soldier serving in Iraq on this very board. After repeated questioning of his story by other posters, it fell apart and he admitted he is actually a teenager living at home. (I'm not kidding. 100 percent true.) Son, step away from the keyboard, and go outside. Get a girlfriend or play sports or something. Come back in 15 years when you can comment intelligently on something.

Posted by: Pat on June 29, 2007 at 9:48 AM | PERMALINK


FOX: "If there is an all-out war between the United States and various radical Muslim groups worldwide..."


you mean it's not an all-out war now?


Incidents of terrorism worldwide
2006: 11,153
2007: 14,338

Incidents resulting in death, injury, or kidnapping of at least one individual
2006: 8,028
2007: 11,170

Incidents resulting in death of at least one individual
2006: 5,135
2007: 7,332

Source: National Counterterrorism Center 4/13/2007

http://www.globalsecurity.org/security/library/report/2007/c-rprt-terrorism_2006-annx.htm

how's it going with a republican in charge?

oh right...

Posted by: mr. irony on June 29, 2007 at 9:49 AM | PERMALINK

Looks like Fox Noise stepped on a push-polling landmine.

I'm sure the Iranians are behind it.

The problem is: if we have a war with the Moslems, the Dems would support the Moslems if a Republican is leading the effort.

Still can't get laid, eh?

Posted by: trex on June 29, 2007 at 9:54 AM | PERMALINK

Ah, that explains Rudy W. Bush's campaign remarks yesterday in the Midwest. Faux News must have beamed their poll results directly into his domed hard drive so he could adjust his spinning terror points. Rudy criticized the Democratic presidential debates saying:

"They never mentioned the word 'Islamic terrorist' during the debate…. Maybe they think they're going to be insulting somebody if they say it. I'm trying to figure out who would be insulted — other than Islamic terrorists."
Dem candidates mentioned "terrorists" and "terrorism." Of course, that's somehow not adequate enough for Bush, er, I meant Giuliani.

Thanks for the heads up, Steve.

Posted by: Apollo 13 on June 29, 2007 at 10:01 AM | PERMALINK

Dem candidates mentioned "terrorists" and "terrorism." Of course, that's somehow not adequate enough for Bush, er, I meant Giuliani.

Giuliani is just sticking up for his rightwing terrorist base.

Posted by: Disputo on June 29, 2007 at 10:08 AM | PERMALINK

Pat: After repeated questioning of his story by other posters, it fell apart and he admitted he is actually a teenager living at home.

A teenager who spells it "Moslem." So young, yet so medieval.

trex: Looks like Fox Noise stepped on a push-polling landmine.

Haw!

Posted by: shortstop on June 29, 2007 at 10:12 AM | PERMALINK

"If there is an all-out war between the United States and various radical Muslim groups worldwide, who would you rather have in charge -- Democrats or Republicans?"

What if there is an all-out war between the Mole People, or Prince Namor's warriors of Atlantis, or the slavering Orc hordes of Mordor? Who would you rather have in charge then?

Jesus, these clowns. An "all-out war" -- it's frankly disturbing that so many in the GOP seem never to have developed beyond the level of a twelve year old boy playing toy soldiers on the floor of his bedroom.

Posted by: Stefan on June 29, 2007 at 10:14 AM | PERMALINK

But Fox left out this part from the question "or would you rather keep W in charge of this half-assed war against dead-enders, ex Bathists, Saddam lovers, Sunni insurgents, Shiite extremists, Al Qaeda, Iranian dupes, um, what are we calling them this week?"

Posted by: tomeck on June 29, 2007 at 10:25 AM | PERMALINK

what are we calling them this week?"

Apparently this week's nom de guerre is "Moslem hordes."

As the brains of wingers continue their retrograde evolution I fully expect to hear them referred to as "Mehomitans, Musselmen, and Hindoos" over the next few months.

Posted by: trex on June 29, 2007 at 10:35 AM | PERMALINK

#42. Do you support President Bush's plan for victory in Iraq, or are you with the traitorous Democrat plan to surrender to Islamic terrorists who hate you for your freedom and want to have sex with your puppies?
( ) President Bush
( ) Defeatocrats

Posted by: Qwerty on June 29, 2007 at 10:47 AM | PERMALINK

With Fox "News", parody and satire is unnecessary.

Posted by: Ringo on June 29, 2007 at 10:59 AM | PERMALINK

What is this "Fox News" of which you speak? Is it some kind of GOP terror ring?

Posted by: craigie on June 29, 2007 at 10:59 AM | PERMALINK

Now you libs know what we have been talking about all these years about the biased lib networks-- Katie and Charlie, Dan, and the long line of predecessors who have dominated while TV was king. Thank God the internet and talk radio broke up this monopoly.

I feel that "news" people and "reporters" should voluntarily disclose their politics so we know where they are coming from, and thus they are far less able to sneak in propaganda masquerading as news. At the very least disclose that TV anchors and the lib reporter corps are providing opinion.

Talk radio hosts are quite open about giving opinion; why can't we have this transparency in TV news on the major networks? Or perhaps a fairness doctrine that permits conservative talk hosts like Michael Savage to equal time on TV networks right after Katie, Charlie, Jim Lehrer, et. al.?

Posted by: Luther on June 29, 2007 at 10:59 AM | PERMALINK

The thing to watch out for, for Democrats, is what happens when the Murdoch empire gives up on trying to shore up the Republican Party and starts putting most of its efforts into subverting the Democratic Party to serve its financial and ideological interests, just like it fairly successfully did with the when it cozied up to Blair's Labour governnment in the UK.

Posted by: cmdicely on June 29, 2007 at 11:17 AM | PERMALINK

luther there comes a time when you can't just deal with idiots.And your one.Yes yes thats what we need more bloviating and mindless opinions and less facts. Those facts are so pseky.

Posted by: Gandalf on June 29, 2007 at 11:17 AM | PERMALINK

The only fairness doctrine I can think of that would work would be one that doesn't let Michael Savage et al within 60 feet of a microphone or keyboard.

Posted by: tomeck on June 29, 2007 at 11:30 AM | PERMALINK

luther: Thank God the internet and talk radio broke up this monopoly.


NEWSWEEK Poll

1. Do you happen to know the name of the Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court?

81% = No


6. Do you think Saddam Hussein’s regime in Iraq was directly involved in planning, financing, or carrying out the terrorist attacks of September 11th, 2001?

41% = yes (911 commission says no evidence)


10. Which one of the following countries did most of the 9/11 hijackers come from?

20% = iraq (15 of 19 were saudi)


24. Which of the following countries do NOT have a border with Iraq?

15% = iraq
14% = syria (both do, of course)


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19375611/site/newsweek/

Posted by: mr. irony on June 29, 2007 at 11:32 AM | PERMALINK

Or perhaps a fairness doctrine that permits conservative talk hosts like Michael Savage to equal time on TV networks...

You're mistaken. That's the freak show doctrine.

Posted by: Apollo 13 on June 29, 2007 at 11:36 AM | PERMALINK

1. Do you happen to know the name of the Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court?

Paris Hilton? Do I win?

Posted by: craigie on June 29, 2007 at 11:39 AM | PERMALINK

I saw a car commercial once that cited research showing a certain Buick was rated #1 in customer satisfaction. The fine print said "first time buyers at point of purchase."

In other words, this is the opinion of people who know absolutely nothing about it.

Fox.

Posted by: chance on June 29, 2007 at 11:56 AM | PERMALINK

Craigie,
Sorry you don't win. It's Sanjaya.

Posted by: optical weenie on June 29, 2007 at 11:58 AM | PERMALINK

Where was "neither"?

Posted by: Neil B. on June 29, 2007 at 12:29 PM | PERMALINK

24. Which of the following countries do NOT have a border with Iraq?

15% = iraq
14% = syria (both do, of course)

"Syria" is dumb, but Iraq shouldn't even be an option. Lots of folks think the self-identity thing is a trick question or technically false. (Really it is: a nation doesn't have a border "with" itself - implying more elsewhere perhaps - but as an identity. Either "with" is false, or at least misleading.)

Posted by: Neil B. on June 29, 2007 at 12:33 PM | PERMALINK

Hey Neil, if you follow the link to the actual poll results, you'll see that "Iraq" was just a typo on Mr. Irony's part, and the actual answer choice was "Iran."

Just saying, is all.

Posted by: mitch on June 29, 2007 at 12:57 PM | PERMALINK

Not only is there a typo, but he got the %ages wrong:

50 Libya
4 Iran
15 Kuwait
14 Syria
17 Don’t know/Refused

(Note: even though it is a multiple choice poll, I'm shocked that 50% got it correct.)

Posted by: Disputo on June 29, 2007 at 1:18 PM | PERMALINK

I always enjoy conservatives arguing the opposing positions that the media is incredibly "liberal" and that there is no need for the fairness doctrine. One would think with this liberal monopoly on the media, the righties would be falling all over themselves to reenact the doctrine.

Posted by: Pat on June 29, 2007 at 2:10 PM | PERMALINK

The correct answer is "Indiana," even those who know both claim that it is a lot like Iraq.

Posted by: Qwerty on June 29, 2007 at 2:45 PM | PERMALINK

The thing to watch out for, for Democrats, is what happens when the Murdoch empire gives up on trying to shore up the Republican Party and starts putting most of its efforts into subverting the Democratic Party to serve its financial and ideological interests, just like it fairly successfully did with the when it cozied up to Blair's Labour governnment in the UK.

Watch out for? Too late. Have you not noticed Murdoch and Clinton sitting in a tree, k-i-s-s-i-n-g?

Posted by: shortstop on June 29, 2007 at 3:08 PM | PERMALINK

Qwerty: The correct answer is "Indiana," even those who know both claim that it is a lot like Iraq.

Bwa!

Posted by: shortstop on June 29, 2007 at 3:10 PM | PERMALINK
Watch out for? Too late. Have you not noticed Murdoch and Clinton sitting in a tree, k-i-s-s-i-n-g?

Well, yes, and I'm hoping that if other people start looking, they'll start noticing, too.

Posted by: cmdicely on June 29, 2007 at 5:02 PM | PERMALINK

The problem is: if we have a war with the Moslems, the Dems would support the Moslems if a Republican is leading the effort.

Posted by: Freedom Fighter on June 29, 2007 at 9:24 AM

Well, I am more Green than Dem, but I think I would watch it with the same outlook as I did the Japanese horror flicks when I was a kid - like "Godzilla versus Rodan."

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