Republicans suck.

Carry on.

The most important question that must be asked of each & everyone of these potential ship-jumpers is "What will it take for you to actually support action to end this folly ?"

Negotiate w/them until the numbers are there for actual action

Democrats have to walk the hard road on this to get any progress & stop the loss of our troops

No time for posturing

"You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete." – Buckminster Fuller

The R's feel that it's better to bend than to break; but they still have their roots in the same dirt.

Why does Pete Domenici hate America?

Lugar isn't up for reelection till 2012 and Voinovich isn't up til 2010.

What's up with them. Competing for the minority leader position in a year and a half? Or do they actually give a f@%k about national defense and the state of our military?

Guess this is a case of (R)s wanting to make their letters look like (I)s to the near-sighted voter.

(Cue Mr. Magoo responses now...)

(Cue Mr. Magoo responses now...)

Every so often, Mr. Magoo would suddenly open his eyes wide and actually see things.

B, Lugar is -- I believe -- what passes for a statesman in today's Republican party. As for Voinovich 1) he CAN be reasonable, and 2) 2010 may not seem far enough away for him, given what happened statewide in Ohio last Fall.

It does not sound like he is committing to much of a specific change of position.

But I am more interested is the liberal rallying cry of "end the war." Isn't it silly to suggest one side in a war can "end it," when in reality all one side in a war can do unilaterally is quit?

I realize that,unfortunately, this war has deteriorated to political manuevering, but wouldn't we be better served by honesty?

And just as an aside, Domenici is up for re-election next year.

And it isn't an aside. Republicans who support the war will be in big trouble in the next election unless things go improbably well in Iraq in the upcoming months.

These GOP idiots who so eagerly continued to send our kids to die in Iraq till yesterday do not have any credibility.

Who knows what kind of games they are playing at the expense of the lives of our troops?

unless things go improbably well in Iraq in the upcoming months.

Could you entertain us with what that might look like?

What we have is a growing group of Republicans smart enough to realize that the war is unwinnable, but still too selfish to place the interests of country over party. The trick is for the Dems to find a way to shame the smart Republicans into doing the right thing for a change.

I'll give 10:1 odds that Domenici will vote the President's will on Iraq. He is just talking to constituents who won't pay attention to his vote nearly so closely as all this nice coverage he is currently getting. They will have some vague memory of him talking tough (e.g., see Spector, Hagel, Snowe, etc. on every single issue that matters). If he doesn't tow the line to the end, Rove will just plant an inconvenient little US Attorney scandal story about Pete during his campaign.

Could you entertain us with what that might look like?

The Islamic Messiah descending from the heavens onto the Umm al-Ma'arik mosque and transforming all improvised explosive devices into fish?

Domenici may be reflecting the stance that the White House will eventually adopt as the ‘08 season approaches. A slow-mo withdrawal from advanced hazardous surge positions back to “enclaves” in a suburban zone near Baghdad and other urban centers. A little like Vietnam, but here the unrest is genuinely between ethnic & religious & AQ.

BTW, AQ is now admitting it is taking a licking, but the MSM has no truck with good news during this war & that AQ self-assessment is not being disseminated. Honest reporters like John Burns at the NYT are being ignored and young TV suck-ups know that bad news is what their editorial bosses want to hear—so it remains the explosion of the day. The Tet syndrome repeats itself. Some Repubs will bow to the prevailing winds & the stupidly conducted expedition to Iraq will slowly retreat.

Like the Euroweenie left, the Dems exult in non-performance & national self-abasement.

Two questions:

Remind me again why all of these young soldiers are dying in Iraq again?

Where is Osama?

Irony alert: brian, everyone's favorite faux-reasonable concern troll, asks: "wouldn't we be better served by honesty?"

As for Domenici, Lagar, etc.: Big deal. They stood up to be counted scant weeks ago when it really mattered giving Bush political cover to continue the war. Their buyer's remorse now is a day late and a dollar short at the very least.

Domenici is in real danger of not being reelected. But it is going to take more than posturing to get reelected. If Edwards is the next president his AG will have Domenici and many others tried for obstruction of justice. Not so sure about the other candidates.

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