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September 5, 2007
By: Kevin Drum

MISCELLANY....I'm still recovering from a long, sleepless night about which the less said the better. So blogging will be slow (or nonexistent) for the next few hours. In the meantime, we foiled a terrorist plot in Germany, Tyler Cowen tells us that it's bad for a company's fortunes if its CEO's wife dies but good for its fortunes if the CEO's mother-in-law dies, and Sen. Larry Craig is still dithering over whether he's going to resign.

Oh, and Max might be gone, but the MaxSpeak replacement site is up and running. It's called EconoSpeak and you can find it here:

http://econospeak.blogspot.com

I'll be back in a bit. Don't bomb Iran while I'm gone.

Kevin Drum 12:09 PM Permalink | Trackbacks | Comments (52)

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Please, Larry, hang around. We need you. We want you. We want you NOW, Larry, you hunka burning Repukeliscum baritone manhood.

I'll be in Stall 3 on the First floor of the capital. Look for me by my blue argyle socks.

Posted by: POed Lib on September 5, 2007 at 12:16 PM | PERMALINK

Hope all is well. See you soon.

Posted by: Ruck on September 5, 2007 at 12:16 PM | PERMALINK

The outcome(hehe he said outcome) if Craig stays......1. Car crash(usually single car into tree)...2.Heart attack....3. Plane crash...4. Suicide( Sometimes with 2 or 3 gunshots to head to make it clear) 5. All of these at one time to really drive the point home.

Posted by: R.L. on September 5, 2007 at 12:21 PM | PERMALINK

Craig really should fight for his reputation.

If he doesn't then, GOP will come to stand for Grand Ol' P___ks.

Now, that would be awful.

So, fight on Craig, you are defending the honor of your party!

sex in stalls sells.

Posted by: Tom Nicholson on September 5, 2007 at 12:24 PM | PERMALINK

Strannix had me rolling with his Craig post. C'mon! He used a graphic of Mr. Garrison and Mr. Hat! That right there is worth the price of admission!

Posted by: Blue Girl, Red State (aka G.C.) on September 5, 2007 at 12:34 PM | PERMALINK

Larry, trust this will not affect our ad campaign.

Posted by: Ad Agency for Charmin on September 5, 2007 at 12:34 PM | PERMALINK

Larry:

You didn't reply to my earlier message. Both Al and Egbert are here too. They are closet queens like you and look forward to the chance of a close encounter of the toilet kind in the Senate washroom.

We're all wearing argyle socks. You should have no problem finding us. Al's stall is the one that smells funny, but don't worry about that, it's under treatment, and not currently communicable, Al has PROMISED.

Posted by: POed Lib on September 5, 2007 at 12:34 PM | PERMALINK

Anyone here that Bush did not go to Iraq he landed inside Kuwait, They where too scared to land and take off in Iraq because of what happened last week.Still just a rumor I,m waiting to get confirmation.

Posted by: john john on September 5, 2007 at 12:38 PM | PERMALINK

The new symbol for the GOP - Obelisks will abound - their shafts have done so much to our nation.

Posted by: thethirdPaul on September 5, 2007 at 12:39 PM | PERMALINK

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Posted by: mhr on September 5, 2007 at 12:41 PM | PERMALINK

Sorry about your sleepless night, Kevin.

Posted by: Gore/Edwards 08 on September 5, 2007 at 12:43 PM | PERMALINK

good question mhr, maybe he means we, the "non-islamofascists" caught them, the "islamofascists"

Posted by: benjoya on September 5, 2007 at 12:47 PM | PERMALINK

We foiled a terrorist plot in Germany? Sounds to me more like good detective work by the German police foiled a terrorist plot.

Posted by: dob on September 5, 2007 at 12:47 PM | PERMALINK

We foiled a terrorist plot in Germany? Sounds to me more like good detective work by the German police foiled a terrorist plot.

Indeed, it sounds like good police work -- sneered at and derided by the Bush Cultists -- is what foiled most of the terrorist plots in the news since 9/11.

Posted by: Gregory on September 5, 2007 at 12:52 PM | PERMALINK

Gregory made the point before I could - good old-fashioned police work is a lot more effective at preventing terrorism than invading and occupying Muslim countries.

"Attacking Iraq after 9-11 made as much sense as attacking Mexico after Pearl Harbor."
--Richard Clarke

Posted by: The Conservative Deflator on September 5, 2007 at 1:21 PM | PERMALINK

Kevin, regarding the deaths of mother-in-laws, you should read the entire article in today's WSJ. There is some real good juice there regarding overpaid CEOs and research that is being done correlating a CEO's personality/behavior and a firm's profitability.

The thumbnail sketch:

1. as you mentioned, a CEO's personal tragedy effects a firm's profitability.

2. CEOs with megamansions hurt their firm. (theory: such CEOs are focused more on enjoying their wealth)

3. CEOs who receive awards hurt their firms. (theory: celebrity CEOs are too distracted.)

4. Narcissistic CEOs take big risks, leading to big swings in profitability.


#2 is most interesting because it suggests that overpaying a CEO can actually hurt a company.

Posted by: Disputo on September 5, 2007 at 1:24 PM | PERMALINK

Yea what is that now 12 terror plots foiled by police work o for the Military complex.You righties still don't get it after all these years.

Posted by: john john on September 5, 2007 at 1:25 PM | PERMALINK

I'm still trying to figure out how many people it takes to pay a HMO CEO 1 Billion dollars.

Posted by: john john on September 5, 2007 at 1:27 PM | PERMALINK

Police work!? That's for candyasses! Sure, it foils terrorists, but it takes so long and doesn't make cool loud noises.

Hey, if Craig succeeds in pulling his plea, does he not then get slapped with the charge he pled out of, which carries possible prison time? And is it not likely that in a trial, the prosecution will bring in all sorts of bathroom-sex experts who will explain that, far from accidentally brushing Officer Dreamboat's shoe as his few defenders claim, Craig went through a number of very precise and explicit cruising moves? For such a hysterically ungay guy, the possibilities for gargantuan embarrassment seem endless.

Posted by: shortstop on September 5, 2007 at 1:27 PM | PERMALINK

Sorry for you troubles, Kevin. Thankfully, someone is still on mhr watch. But when did he get promoted to two asterisks, where there used to be just one?

Posted by: thersites on September 5, 2007 at 1:29 PM | PERMALINK

you should read the entire article in today's WSJ. There is some real good juice there regarding overpaid CEOs and research that is being done correlating a CEO's personality/behavior and a firm's profitability.

Guess I'll wander over there to read it...then check to see whether the editorial flatly pretends that the news story said the exact opposite.

Posted by: shortstop on September 5, 2007 at 1:33 PM | PERMALINK

And is it not likely that in a trial, the prosecution will bring in all sorts of bathroom-sex experts who will explain that, far from accidentally brushing Officer Dreamboat's shoe as his few defenders claim, Craig went through a number of very precise and explicit cruising moves?

I'm looking forward to the prosecution subpoenaing the guys that have already admitted to having bathroom sex with Craig.

Posted by: Disputo on September 5, 2007 at 1:34 PM | PERMALINK

Hey owners and editors of the Monthly,

Remember back in the Spring and Early Summer of 2004, when the Abu Ghraib pictures broke? If you go back in the comment threads I and several others advised you all that the Washington Establishment was in the process of vomiting out the Bush/Cheney Regime. Remember how I told you there was no bottom to the scandal. Remember how I advocated impeachment proceedings, that would have been easy to start based on the sheer volume of information forth coming from the inside? And remember how the consensus was to put your fricking heads in the sand and pretend nothing was happening.

Turns out I was right. As Dan Eggen and Peter Baker outline the surface issues in the Post today.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/04/AR2007090402292_pf.html

To bad we are now looking at the worst financial disaster in history, as well as the worst military defeat, all thanks to the second term of Jr, which could have been avoided if you guys had decided to step up...

Maybe now that the public knows you all can grow a spine.

Posted by: patience on September 5, 2007 at 1:35 PM | PERMALINK

I'm looking forward to the prosecution subpoenaing the guys that have already admitted to having bathroom sex with Craig.

I'm kind of surprised that nobody has stepped up to say they spent some time with Lar on his regular Friday trip through the Minneapolis airport.

Posted by: shortstop on September 5, 2007 at 1:51 PM | PERMALINK

Why are there terrorists plots to be foiled in Germany in the first place?

Bush has proclaimed loud and clear that as long as we stay in Iraq we won't be attacked in the West.

Since we are still in Iraq, there should be no threats worth bothering about in the West.

In fact, according to Bush's justifications for remaining in Iraq, we can just disband all that eavesdropping and domestic security, since Al Qaida is too busy fighting us there to fight us here.

Posted by: anonymous on September 5, 2007 at 1:57 PM | PERMALINK

I'm kind of surprised that nobody has stepped up to say they spent some time with Lar on his regular Friday trip through the Minneapolis airport.

That reminds me of another question I have had -- are there no direct flights from DC to ID, or did Craig specifically arrange for a stop-over in MN?

Nevermind -- I don't want to know....

Posted by: Disputo on September 5, 2007 at 1:57 PM | PERMALINK

Hope all is well with you and yours. The blog will survive, although I do fear for Al, where will the bot post?

Posted by: jerry on September 5, 2007 at 2:04 PM | PERMALINK

Bush has proclaimed loud and clear that as long as we stay in Iraq we won't be attacked in the West.

Silly. Old Germany invited a terrorist attack, what with its citizens' impertinent opposition to Bush's war. Also, Angela Merkel is uppity and didn't appreciate George's thoughtful neck massage last year. These people clearly had it coming.

Posted by: shortstop on September 5, 2007 at 2:12 PM | PERMALINK

Don't bomb Iran while I'm gone.

I'm sorry, we can't promise you that.

Posted by: The NeoCons on September 5, 2007 at 2:13 PM | PERMALINK

That reminds me of another question I have had -- are there no direct flights from DC to ID, or did Craig specifically arrange for a stop-over in MN?

I'm not proud of having done this, but I just checked Sidestep, and it appears that there are no non-stops from DC to Boise, at least not on Friday afternoons.

On the other hand, Northwest is among the cheapest options on this route, so let's give Lar some points for that.

Posted by: shortstop on September 5, 2007 at 2:19 PM | PERMALINK

I hope your sleeplessness was "bug" related. You're too young to get hit with insomnia.


Posted by: Jeffrey Davis on September 5, 2007 at 2:51 PM | PERMALINK

On the other hand, Northwest is among the cheapest options on this route...

Their seating is also more tolerable for those with a wide stance.

Posted by: Nemo on September 5, 2007 at 2:52 PM | PERMALINK

Their seating is also more tolerable for those with a wide stance.

LMAO.

God Bless Larry Craig. He has given me more joy than I should ever allow a man to give me....

Posted by: Disputo on September 5, 2007 at 3:01 PM | PERMALINK

God Bless Larry Craig. He has given me more joy than I should ever allow a man to give me....

You know, liberals were FOR gay rights before they were AGAINST gay rights. And the fact of the matter is, no one cares whether Senator Craig is gay or straight. They care whether he is a conservative! That's the honest truth!

I am quite *liberal* when it comes to certain values issues. I don't have an issue at all with gay men and their public displays of affection. I do not partake of such things myself. I am, by nature, mischievous but not naughty to the degree that I would do anything in public with a woman. I will not hold hands with my current girlfriend in public. When we stroll down a dusty path here in the planned community in which we live, yes, I will hold her hand when it is icy or when it appears that there is a skunk on the walking trail. But that's as far as it goes.

We were out one night and one of the local businessmen that I know--he owns the Lexus dealership where I purchased my Lexus SUV--was out walking with a young man we know from the store in town where they sell kayaks and hiking equipment. The businessman was hot and flustered and couldn't get enough fluid. He had apparently been wrestling with someone and the good young man--scrawny and muscled like he was a courier who rode a bicycle everywhere--had come along to help him.

I asked them, "who won the fight? Who got the better of you? Did they get your wallet and the keys in your pants?" and this businessman who I have known for at least a dozen years screamed at me and ran off.

It was an awkward exchange, but I know one thing: you cannot judge a man by how he appears in public. Some people are easily flustered and shy, and that's apparently what happened to poor Senator Craig. He became flustered and shy and that policeman took advantage of him.

It happens every day in this country.

Posted by: Norman Rogers on September 5, 2007 at 3:15 PM | PERMALINK

Now that Craig is outed, he should be immune to the usual blackmail. I hope he sticks around and becomes an anti-Bush Republican. The Senate needs at least one.

Norman, no one cares how gay you are or aren't. It really doesn't matter at all.

Posted by: Joey Giraud on September 5, 2007 at 3:38 PM | PERMALINK

Norm, you Republican hero you!

Do the wife and the girlfriend get on together, or do you go through all manner of elaborate machinations to keep them apart? I hope it is the latter, because I want to hear some of the wacky schemes related on these threads with great detail. When one of them turns up on the teevee as a sitcom plotline, you can claim credit for that, too.

Tell me, which one of these ladies was the object of "She Loves You, Yes, Yes, Yes"? Or was it "I Wanna Hold Your Handbag"?

Posted by: Blue Girl, Red State (aka G.C.) on September 5, 2007 at 3:44 PM | PERMALINK

nr: And the fact of the matter is, no one cares whether Senator Craig is gay or straight.


speak for yourself....

how can we save freedom....

if we taunt god....

Posted by: conservative wing nuts on September 5, 2007 at 3:45 PM | PERMALINK

Norman, no one cares how gay you are or aren't. It really doesn't matter at all.

I'm not gay: I have an assortment of ex-wives and a new girlfriend to prove that I am not gay.

My larger point is really an observation that the police who patrol our cities these days are usually high school dropouts who shouldn't be issued anything more powerful than a notebook, let alone a gun.

John Law is alive and well, chasing flustered people and making poor decisions. If I had a nickel for every flatfoot who wrote me a parking ticket or a speeding ticket based on information in their possession which was demonstrably false or misleading, I'd have a big bag of nickels to swing around.

Good Americans are often caught in compromising positions, confused and bewildered. I have a hard time getting through the day without becoming lost in thought or confused by a sequence of signs and lights that makes me turn around and go the opposite of whence I came. This is called having an intellectual life--being lost in thought is not a crime, now is it?

You'd think the fuzz were actually catching dangerous criminals. Many of them catch the donuts that fly out of their hand and into their gullet.

Posted by: Norman Rogers on September 5, 2007 at 3:53 PM | PERMALINK

I hope he sticks around and becomes an anti-Bush Republican. The Senate needs at least one.

That would be in many ways more valuable than a Dem in that seat. (Assuming of course that the Dems maintain the majority.)

Posted by: Disputo on September 5, 2007 at 4:06 PM | PERMALINK

Norman,

I'm sure you have a big bag of nickels to swing around, but such boastfulness is unseemly in a person of your generally modest character.

Posted by: thersites on September 5, 2007 at 4:12 PM | PERMALINK

Hope you're okay, Kevin. Best wishes to you and yours.

Posted by: william on September 5, 2007 at 4:15 PM | PERMALINK

oooh, normie! you're such a manly man's man. can't you make an exception, just once? i'll be gentle.

your hopeful pal,
blake

Posted by: blake on September 5, 2007 at 4:29 PM | PERMALINK

Shortstop,

Good pickup on the Northwest info - I knew that Horizon flew to the west, and of course there is an AFB in Idaho, but, sometimes, with all of those black clad UN helicopters buzzing about the Gem State, hard for a commercial plane to take off.

But, Minneapolis would be a logical hub for Northwest, and the men's room another logical hub for Lar.

Posted by: thethirdPaul on September 5, 2007 at 4:31 PM | PERMALINK

Blue Girl,

Next time you check in - The Oregonian online has an article today about the terrble back log at the VA over claims - Truly disgusting the long waits -

Posted by: thethirdPaul on September 5, 2007 at 4:42 PM | PERMALINK

"
I'm looking forward to the prosecution subpoenaing the guys that have already admitted to having bathroom sex with Craig.

I'm kind of surprised that nobody has stepped up to say they spent some time with Lar on his regular Friday trip through the Minneapolis airport.
"

It's not that they're ashamed of the bathroom sex; it's that they don't want to have to admit to their friends that they f***ed such scum.

I mean, come on, if you banged Anne Coulter at some wild party under the assumption that she was just some skanky blonde, wouldn't you want to keep it secret?

Posted by: Maynard Handley on September 5, 2007 at 4:50 PM | PERMALINK

"John Law is alive and well, chasing flustered people and making poor decisions. If I had a nickel for every flatfoot who wrote me a parking ticket or a speeding ticket based on information in their possession which was demonstrably false or misleading, I'd have a big bag of nickels to swing around."

Gee, i thought you fascist Repukeliscum were big on law-n-order. So, what are you, Normie, like a fascist anarchist? What kinda kinked up wack is a fascist anarchist, anyway?

Posted by: POed Lib on September 5, 2007 at 5:15 PM | PERMALINK

I'm not gay: I have an assortment of ex-wives and a new girlfriend

...with a suspiciously large Adam's apple.

Posted by: ckelly on September 5, 2007 at 5:38 PM | PERMALINK

Gee, i thought you fascist Repukeliscum were big on law-n-order.

And I thought you liberals were big on doing drugs and making it okay for people to take a handout from the government.

The larger issue here is the overwhelming zeal of police officers, who are tired of going after the cool cucumbers who know how to commit crimes and won't talk and lawyer up quickly and now prefer to scare decent, law abiding people and railroad them so that they can meet some bogus "quota" so that the chief of police or the County Sherriff can keep his fat pants on the job for another year.

If you live your life with any kind of panache or any kind of adventure, you're bound to be outside, running around, exhausted and tired. The exercise one gets leaves a person dehydrated, without proper electrolytes and without proper consideration of what they're doing. Sometimes, you have to go to the bathroom in the woods or make a pit stop somewhere and relieve yourself--I would prefer a port-a-jonny be there, but sometimes, with budget cuts and all, it can't be there.

And cops love to roust people and confuse them with rapid fire questions. Watch any episode of "Cops" and you'll know what I'm talking about. So it's not about law and order--it's about letting people do what they're doing and going after the drug dealers and the car jackers.

Posted by: Norman Rogers on September 5, 2007 at 9:12 PM | PERMALINK

"The businessman was hot and flustered and couldn't get enough fluid. "
Norman Rodgers
--

I thought that was Larry Craig's excuse?

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