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September 5, 2007
By: Kevin Drum

IS OUR BLOGGERS EDUCATED?....Just to follow up on Matt and Atrios's point about media obsessions with bloggers as semiliterate ranters, here's a quick list of the highest traffic liberal political blogs and the educational attainments of their proprietors:

  • Josh Marshall: Princeton, Brown PhD

  • Markos Moulitsas: Northern Illinois University, Boston University Law

  • Ezra Klein: UCLA

  • Duncan Black: Indiana University of Pennsylvania, Brown PhD

  • John Aravosis: University of Illinois, UParis, Georgetown Law

  • Jeralyn Merritt: UMichigan, UDenver Law

  • Matt Yglesias: Harvard

  • Arianna Huffington: Cambridge

  • Brad DeLong: Harvard, Harvard PhD

  • Mark Kleiman: Haverford, Harvard PhD

  • John Amato: Hunter College

  • Glenn Greenwald: George Washington, NYU Law

  • Jane Hamsher: USC (masters)

I'm the dimwit in this crowd, boasting only a bachelors degree from Cal State Long Beach. On the other hand, I do manage to read a book or two each year, and I've traveled outside the country several dozen times in my life so far.

And before anyone gets mad, yes, I'm sure I've stupidly left someone important off this list. It's just a quick reality check for any roving journalist wondering who's behind the pixels that account for the vast bulk of liberal blog traffic.

And blog readers? Here's the 2006 BlogAds survey. It's a pretty select group.

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Arlen Spector and other high profile Republicans all agree Larry Craig was railroaded.

Posted by: sy on September 5, 2007 at 8:05 PM | PERMALINK

Ph.D., schmee-h-d! I was the class clown in third grade! And I've read all the "Ziggy" books, to boot!

Posted by: Richard Cohen on September 5, 2007 at 8:07 PM | PERMALINK

Kevin, I wouldn't be intimidated in the slightest by the other bloggers educational creds. Heck, those Sunni sheiks don't have PhD's and look what they are accomplishing!

Posted by: Doc at the Radar Station on September 5, 2007 at 8:21 PM | PERMALINK

You realize now they'll just call you all a bunch of elite, un-American liberal pansies, right?

The point is, defending yourself never does much good with these guys. Much more useful to attack. Where have they all gone to school? And can we figure out whether the IQs of these dummies on the right and in the MSM are really as low as they appear?

Posted by: JD on September 5, 2007 at 8:35 PM | PERMALINK

(does this mean they'll start with the "Ivy Tower" meme next?) ughh.

Posted by: absent observer on September 5, 2007 at 8:35 PM | PERMALINK

Back in the day, I used to have lunch with Cohen before his wits left him. He used to be charming & a bit whimsical. Now he's hitting the wall of pain.

[FYI, Dick Cohen, I've been to 50 countries, lived in six & speak & read several foreign languages, including Arabic.] But since I'm not a registered journalist, despite having read as many books as Richard Cohen and about fifty in several foreign languages, my opinions are discounted cuz I blog. I'm not high-volume, but think the big blog hitters are better educated than most newsies. I'm ashamed I only have an M.A. from Univ. of Michigan.

Methinks the ink-stained wretch doth protest too much.

Posted by: daveinboca on September 5, 2007 at 8:36 PM | PERMALINK

How can you forget the formidable Juan Cole, PhD.

Posted by: Luigi D on September 5, 2007 at 8:38 PM | PERMALINK

Is our bloggers educated?

I take it you think an ungrammatical sentence is funny.

Posted by: Neil McKenty on September 5, 2007 at 8:45 PM | PERMALINK

Yes, but if you made a similar list of conservative bloggers...

Posted by: SadDove on September 5, 2007 at 8:46 PM | PERMALINK

Such a shame I'm not on one of the highest-trafficked blogs ... (Princeton, Harvard Ph.D.) (heh heh)

Posted by: hilzoy on September 5, 2007 at 8:46 PM | PERMALINK

Anyway, isn't Richard Cohen the same intellectual leading light who declared studying Math unnecessary? Sorry, not Math, but plain old simple ALGEBRA.

www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/blog/2006/02/15/BL2006021501989.html

Posted by: SadDove on September 5, 2007 at 8:49 PM | PERMALINK

You're the dimwit? How many of those other people have been quoted on "Wait, Wait..."?

Posted by: Quaker in a Basement on September 5, 2007 at 8:50 PM | PERMALINK

Neil, it's a reference to a famous George W. Bush quote: "Is our children learning?"

Posted by: Joe Buck on September 5, 2007 at 8:50 PM | PERMALINK

You are all missing the point: bloggers wear bathrobes. A guy with a Harvard Ph.D. who sits around in his bathrobe all day blogging is still just a guy who sits around in his bathrobe all day blogging. And all bloggers wear bathrobes. Or so I hear.

Is we learning yet?

Posted by: Orson on September 5, 2007 at 8:50 PM | PERMALINK

From a loyal reader.

B.S. Ohio State University. 1983.

Posted by: jharp on September 5, 2007 at 8:52 PM | PERMALINK

The male/female disparity (72%/27%) of blog junkies is interesting.

Are Blogs the ESPN equivelent for nerds and geeks?

Posted by: erict on September 5, 2007 at 8:54 PM | PERMALINK

Ph. D. from Harvard?

Well we all know how much is a Harvard MBA worth.

Another year or two will not impart much more credibility.

Posted by: gregor on September 5, 2007 at 8:55 PM | PERMALINK

What you really need is a list of the rightie bloggers and their credentials, or lack thereof ... It would be interesting. A few Dartmouth and Regent/Liberty/Bob Jones grads I'm sure, but what else?

Posted by: Neil B. on September 5, 2007 at 9:04 PM | PERMALINK

Gregor, Ph.D.s from anywhere are generally much more worthwhile than professional degrees, particularly MBAs. They may be on the same campus, but that's about it.

Posted by: freelunch on September 5, 2007 at 9:05 PM | PERMALINK

Hello? Sir?

Yes--I am a graduate of Princeton, my degree was in Economics. My Masters degree was earned at Duke, and it is in Business.

I decided against the practice of law or medicine, and chose the religion of American civil discourse, which is business. I have made more than my share of money, and I have put my "book lar'nin'" to excellent use.

Posted by: Norman Rogers on September 5, 2007 at 9:06 PM | PERMALINK

erict, I noticed the male/female disparity too, but also noticed the largest percent are from 2 person households.

Posted by: cjenk on September 5, 2007 at 9:09 PM | PERMALINK

"chose the religion of American civil discourse"

I eagerly await the first evidence of civil disourse from Normal Rogers with all the anticipation that attends the first announcement of porcine aviation.

Posted by: Joel on September 5, 2007 at 9:10 PM | PERMALINK

The male/female disparity (72%/27%) of blog junkies is interesting.

No kidding. I knew we chicas were outnumbered, but three to one?

Other than that, I appear to be fairly average in this crowd.

I was amused by the 1.82% of "apolitical" people who read political blogs.

Posted by: shortstop on September 5, 2007 at 9:23 PM | PERMALINK

I eagerly await the first evidence of civil disourse from Normal Rogers with all the anticipation that attends the first announcement of porcine aviation.

Oh, come now. Last night, I was reading a chapter of American Lion: The Norman Rogers Story, as I often do at bedtime, and I was struck once again by the man's open-hearted generosity in sharing his alternative tax theory, instructions for smooth ticket fixing and tips for feeding an entire household staff on $1.47 a day. He gives and gives, and all you people do is carp.

Posted by: shortstop on September 5, 2007 at 9:29 PM | PERMALINK

You may be "the dimwit" by some standard, compared to those geniuses, but you, sir, are a genius yourself, and among the very best of the bloggers. We are lucky to have you. Not a day goes by that I am not grateful for your efforts and the massive difference you make in the debate.

It's invisible to you, but I cut and paste many of your posts into forums and emails to further their distribution to as many people as I can. (Always with a link and recommendation, of course.)

And I am sure I am not the only one.

If we ever rescue this country from its enemies in the Republican Party, it will be because of the good will and support of millions, but the perspiration and dedication of a handful, including those ten you listed, but you, too, at the top of the list.

Thanks for everything you do.

Posted by: -asx- on September 5, 2007 at 9:29 PM | PERMALINK

I eagerly await the first evidence of civil disourse from Normal Rogers with all the anticipation that attends the first announcement of porcine aviation.

I can attest to civil *ahem* discourse with Norman. He is quite a charming gentleman and a considerate lover; or at least I always found him such.

Posted by: Paula Zahn on September 5, 2007 at 9:36 PM | PERMALINK

Thank you to Jeralyn for representing DU Law.

Posted by: Steve Balboni on September 5, 2007 at 9:36 PM | PERMALINK

...bloggers as semiliterate ranters...

Compared to the grunting morons who watch Fox and listen to Rush, the semiliterate are the elite.

Posted by: chance on September 5, 2007 at 9:37 PM | PERMALINK

elitist? fuck yeah.

Posted by: cleek on September 5, 2007 at 9:57 PM | PERMALINK

Well we all know how much is a Harvard MBA worth.
Posted by: gregor on September 5, 2007 at 8:55 PM
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I think Jed Clampett would have worked out much better. He was the Mark Twain of prime time TV in the 60's. He had oil bizness credentials too.

Posted by: Doc at the Radar Station on September 5, 2007 at 10:10 PM | PERMALINK

I do not hold a single degree from any Ivy League schools, I am state-school educated almost all the way, with the exception of my teaching credentials, earned at a small private liberal arts school.

I will go on record, however, that I have never apologized for my education. In either direction. I don't apologize for having one, and I don't apologize for the fact that it came from state schools.

Posted by: Blue Girl, Red State (aka G.C.) on September 5, 2007 at 10:12 PM | PERMALINK

Jonah Goldberg - Goucher College

Posted by: Dana on September 5, 2007 at 10:16 PM | PERMALINK

The fact that Mr. Drum graduated from Cal State Long Beach should make you want to send your children there; he is smarter and nicer than most people.

Posted by: Linus on September 5, 2007 at 10:44 PM | PERMALINK

I think Kevin (and Matt Yglesias) missed the point of Cohen's joke. Not that it was especially funny, but Cohen was actually acknowledging and making fun of the bloggers' Harvard-flavored bookish nerdiness by pretending that all they read is Potter. I think.

Posted by: Richard Riley on September 5, 2007 at 11:00 PM | PERMALINK

American Lion: The Norman Rogers Story

We are going to release some of my commentary here and on other blogs as an addendum in the trade paperback edition that the university press is going to put out next year. There is going to be an especially juicy section that outlines how I destroyed several liberal trolls on this site, especially one in particular.

It's invisible to you, but I cut and paste many of your posts into forums and emails to further their distribution to as many people as I can. (Always with a link and recommendation, of course.)

Thank you for that--it's good to see young people quoting those who are more knowledgable, like myself.

Posted by: Norman Rogers on September 5, 2007 at 11:07 PM | PERMALINK

I notice Karl Rove, although not a blogger, has no degree, tho he attended 6 Universities [and skirted away from Vietnam in the process] many Cons think he is a genius. He also makes baseless attacks.

Ann Coulter, who has a Degree in law, makes baseless personal attacks and writes books about Godless people. More baseless attacks.

Rush Limbaugh,failed speech class and ball room dancing, and managed to escape vietnam [Pilonidal thing], has no degrees, but also makes baseless personal attacks.

Michelle Malkin, has no Degree but a Rhodes scholar husband and economist, she wrote a book in 2002 Invasion: How America Still Welcomes Terrorists, Criminals, and Other Foreign Menaces, oddly she blames America first, a strict no no in R land, which others, mostly Democrats, are attacked with repetitiively, Malkin also likes to make personal attacks.

Ya know Kevin, front my viewpoint, you dont make enough personal attacks. [kidding]

Bill Oreilly, who attended the Kennedy school of politics, also engages in these attacks, Democratic bloggers are one day Stalinists, and the next Adolphist, he even attacked democratic bloggers for being secular in a secular country.

But why do Republicans like this type of political/personal attack with or without education or degrees?

Are these bloggers/pundits just in it for the money? If I was in it for the money I'd be a conservative blogger. Just attack people and groups, play on their bias. But conservatism is supposed to also be about religion, to do good things, the hypocrisy is glaringly rampant!

Anyway, the righties are just attacking Democratic bloggers because thats all they know how to do. It wouldnt matter if you were educated or not. What they do well, I notice, is turn like a school of fish, even on their own, and repeat slavishly the current talking point/attack.

They seem to enjoy not thinking.


Posted by: Ya Know.... on September 5, 2007 at 11:35 PM | PERMALINK

There is going to be an especially juicy section that outlines how I destroyed several liberal trolls on this site, -Norman Rogers

See what I mean? Like Pirhannas they are.

Yeh well what less should one expect from the ConPERVative party? Seems to me you are the new liberals in the big political scumpond =)

Posted by: Ya Know.... on September 5, 2007 at 11:40 PM | PERMALINK

Heard tell that there is mighty fine lady blogger from Graceland-Lamoni in Eyeoway.

Posted by: thethirdPaul on September 6, 2007 at 12:13 AM | PERMALINK

Anyway, the righties are just attacking Democratic bloggers because thats all they know how to do. It wouldnt matter if you were educated or not. What they do well, I notice, is turn like a school of fish, even on their own, and repeat slavishly the current talking point/attack.

Yuk yuk yuk. Another wanna-be intellectual has waded into the arena to humiliate itself. Bravo, loser. You have drawn my ire for at least five minutes at least. I doubt you'll warrant more than that.

Liberals--they like to tell people what to say, how to say it, where to eat, what to eat, what cars they can drive, what guns they can shoot, what color their roof must be, what flavor their drinking water cannot be, and so on and so forth.
This is why the American people stomach you for a bit and then turn on you and run you out of town. You are in their good graces for now; don't get used to it.

Conservatives let the market exist in freedom. In the marketplace of ideas, the list of people you cite above have *millions* of listeners, viewers and readers. Limbaugh alone commands a larger radio audience than *all* of the "air america" hosts combined and still has enough left over to throw a million or two to the likes of Hannity, Morgan, O'Reilly, etc.

You forget one person in particular--the great Paul Harvey. He has tens of millions of listeners, a devoted following, and has more reach into the heartland of this country than all liberals combined.

Now, go suck an egg and quit dabbling in things you know nothing about.

Posted by: Norman Rogers on September 6, 2007 at 12:17 AM | PERMALINK

Yuk yuk yuk. Another wanna-be intellectual [Projection] has waded into the arena to humiliate itself.[More Prjections] Bravo, loser. You have drawn my ire for at least five minutes at least [Projection Yawn]. I doubt you'll warrant more than that [Im sure you can make up more things to believe are true than that.]

Liberals--they like to tell people what to say,[Projection] how to say it [Projection], where to eat, what to eat, what cars they can drive,[Projection Projection Projection] what guns they can shoot, what color their roof must be, what flavor their drinking water cannot be, and so on and so forth.[Projection Projection Projection]

What you have typed, Norm, you can never prove, why? Because YOU think I am those things, your painting with a wide paint brush and trying to paint me into that group think, lemming psychology, picture]

You can Yuk Yuk all you want, what your doing here is playing pin your imagination on another, and then believing it. Thats rather peculiar isn't it?

Do you have a tin foil hat truth detector in your head? A crytal ball?

Bwah. I Know your game, and it aint gonna work on me, Mister Rogers!!\

In the word of Rove, "Nice try."

Posted by: Ya Know.... on September 6, 2007 at 12:27 AM | PERMALINK

poor Moron Rogers, so insecure, so pathetic.

People who have to broadcast their supposed educational background and supposed intellectual superiority are the most pathetic and insecure douchebags of all.

Posted by: haha on September 6, 2007 at 12:31 AM | PERMALINK

Now, go suck an egg and quit dabbling in things you know nothing about. -Norman ConPERVative Rogers


Ok, amazing O' great Kreskin, I have wander into your web of imaginative projectionism, O' wiss one flatter me with your projectionist prattling, tell what I do and do not know.

[And be sure to mail this to all your friends who enjoy your inane projectionist speculations!]

Posted by: Ya Know.... on September 6, 2007 at 12:32 AM | PERMALINK

Go CSULB! Kevin, what years did you attend? Are you a southern Californian? Have you made any triumphant returns to speak there?

-Another 49er who thinks you are a peerless writer....

Posted by: Susie Bright on September 6, 2007 at 12:32 AM | PERMALINK

Hey Norman, where did I say I was a Liberal, Huh?

O' great Swami, Johnny Carson reborn, put thy envelope to your forehead and ask the question you know not the answer too!!

Posted by: Ya Know.... on September 6, 2007 at 12:35 AM | PERMALINK

You have drawn my ire for at least five minutes -Norm Rogers [aka The Amazing Kreskin]


Can you see me in your crystal ball brain,with your great psycho-kinetic powers shaking in my computer chair, laughing at your earth shaking ire?

Posted by: Ya Know.... on September 6, 2007 at 12:39 AM | PERMALINK

You have drawn my ire! Bow before me lest I injure myself typing illogical bullshirt!!

I am the great big head you third rock miscreant Liberal! I will put my great eye of Horus, my Wedjet upon you and destroy you!

Yes, I the great Norman, Cheers!, will amaze you with my imaginative powers of projection!!

What I say must be true,because I, the great Norman have willed it to be! I think, therefore you are what I think! I need no proof of what I think you are, because I, the great spaghetti God [The internet psychic], command it to be!!

Kneel afore me knave!!

Posted by: AbnormaL Rogers on September 6, 2007 at 12:46 AM | PERMALINK

Liberal arts is evidence of low discipline and law is evidence of low character.

Posted by: Luther on September 6, 2007 at 12:55 AM | PERMALINK

Touchy, touchy! Anybody read the original WaPo column? It's a joke. Save the impressive academic credentials for your résumés (BTW, did I mention my Ph.D.'s and post-docs from MIT, CalTech and Cambridge?).

Posted by: alex on September 6, 2007 at 1:08 AM | PERMALINK

abNormaL, if you're going to suck your own cock, do it in private.

Posted by: ahem on September 6, 2007 at 1:09 AM | PERMALINK

abNormaL, if you're going to suck your own cock, do it in private. Posted by: ahem

Im sure Norm Rogers, all wise, can teach me.

Posted by: AbnormaL Rogers on September 6, 2007 at 1:29 AM | PERMALINK

National Radio Institute -- Certificate in Computer Technology --1981. Impressed?

Posted by: thersites on September 6, 2007 at 1:30 AM | PERMALINK

All these advanced degrees don't seem to have been much help with trying to figure out what Cohen was trying to do. It was an unsuccessful attempt at humor, to be sure, but not what Yglesias or Atrios seem to have thought it was. And Kevin missed it too?

Seems to be a case of arguing with Norman Rogers, only magnified. Not the liberal blogosphere's finest hour.

Posted by: JS on September 6, 2007 at 2:13 AM | PERMALINK

Yes, JS, if you read the link to Matts site [I'm sure you did] It says, right off the bat:

....In the course of a totally unfunny satirical column, one item is "A survey of political bloggers showed that 94 percent of them had never been out of the country or read anything other than a Harry Potter book."

It seems to qualify as humor to some, fair enough.

Sen Craig was arrested for lewd conduct and polls show that 94% of Republican men have wide stances and viagra prescriptions.

Har Har.

Ennyhooo, Im not gonna post my education and prove to anyone here where I have been or what I have read. However, Norms attack on me was unwarranted,elementary, and chock full of falsities

And I will leave his projectionist, guessing game, rant at that.

Posted by: Ya Know.... on September 6, 2007 at 2:59 AM | PERMALINK

Kevin Drum, Dimwit. Heh. There's something about this blog that draws a helluva good crowd. PhD not necessary.

I intend no disparagement of Kevin's eminently readable style, percipience, and eye for relevance, but I think the commenters here (myself excluded) need a hearty plug.

I read a number of blogs each day, but Political Animal is the only one that keeps me returning to nearly every post practically till the thread dies so that I can catch all the comments.

I haven't found another blog with quite the same high quality of comments. Strangely the quality of the commenting on a lot of blogs really sucks, even when the blogger is quite good. I can't account for this phenomenon other than to suggest that maybe it's something about Kevin's writing that draws such an exceptional crowd, even on days when the consensus is that he is full of shit.

Politically I suppose I am a little to the left of Chomsky, but I gotta admit that even Egbert entertains me. And Norman-- wow! I always look forward to the times when he gets out on a day pass and drops in at the library to do a little surfing.

I think the mods have struck a good balance; they allow Eggie and Normie to visit and we are all a little richer for the interchange. Al and ex-liberal, not so much. I wouldn't want to see them banned, though-- they're what the scroll wheel on my mouse is for. I call it my troll wheel.

From time to time Kevin catches a lot of flak for a blog post that doesn't come off well. And it's usually one with which I find myself in full agreement, at least at the outset, and only find myself wanting to bludgeon him after reading ten or twenty comments.

Next morning I am all fired up to go see what he has produced while saner folks are sleeping. And of course I have to read through all the comments then to find out if what he said was true.

I've heard people who've never met him say (apparently judging by the picture on the old Calpundit) they thought he was nine feet tall. I don't know about that but I think his skin is about an inch thick. An admirable, nay, essential quality in a blogger.

Those of you whose names I didn't mention - rejoice. I started at the bottom intending to work my up and then got tired. Give yourselves a pat on the back.

UPDATE: I just went back and read the comments that appeared while I was typing this and I thought about deleting the whole thing and going to bed. But I'll leave it because it will probably be EPU'd anyway, late as it is, and just say: "well, things do degenerate occasionally." [grin]

Btw I don't have a degree but Digby and Atrios mention my initials occasionally.

Posted by: DFH on September 6, 2007 at 3:13 AM | PERMALINK

YK, Cohen's comment on bloggers not traveling or reading was in a list of "news events" that included

Barry Bonds tripped and shattered into 23 pieces.

William Kristol called for an invasion of Venezuela and East Hampton...

Rep. Tom Tancredo blamed the Minneapolis bridge collapse on "fat illegal aliens."

That Matt (and Atrios and Kevin) thought it necessary to refute another item on the same list on factual grounds continues to be puzzling -- all the more so because, as you point out, at least Matt did recognize the column as a failed attempt at satire.

Posted by: JS on September 6, 2007 at 3:16 AM | PERMALINK

Long Beach State, huh? When I was at the University of Washington, the 49ers kicked our ass in basketball two years in a row -- and in our own Hec-Ed Pavilion, too. The Big West Conference was really tough in men's basketball back in the 1980s and early '90s, arguably better than the Pac-10 at that point.

Posted by: Donald from Hawaii on September 6, 2007 at 3:53 AM | PERMALINK

I was struck that nearly 80% of those responding to the 2006 BlogAds survey are college grads. That compares with, what, 24% of the population overall who have college degrees? And 58% of us find blogs very useful, 84% read blogs for news that we can't find elsewhere, 80% feel blogs provide better perspective and 66% find blogs provide faster news. What this suggests is that the brightest people in our society, at least those who have an interest in politics, are sucking up information faster and deeper than the standard news media can provide.

And I was reminded of, of all things, the Bell Curve, infamous book by Herrnstein & Murray. In one of the early chapters--not the one causing all the heat and fury--they pointed out that readers of a book like theirs are likely to come from an elite group. They proposed that American society was stratifying by cognitive ability and had their reader do an exercise to illustrate their point. "Think of 12 friends," they requested. "How many of those friends have a college degree?" And, of course, for a lot of us, all 12 had college degrees. The odds of picking such a set of friends at random, they said, was around 1 in 20,000,000 (iirc.) And then, how many of those went to an Ivy League school, they queried. I can't remember the figures exactly, but it was something like one in a billion that 6 of the 12 (in my case) graduated with degrees from an Ivy League school. I've been haunted by the notion of cognitive stratification ever since.

The list of bloggers that you provide is supporting evidence. They are a formidably well-educated bunch. On the other hand, the people responding to the Blog Ad survey might have been self-selecting. Certainly, the typical commentary on most blogs doesn't suggest the well-informed, well-educated readership suggested by the Blog Ads survey or the commentary at WM.

Posted by: PTate in FR on September 6, 2007 at 7:33 AM | PERMALINK

Yeah, but you're missing the point. None of those fine degrees (well, except possibly for those that don't list an area of study) were in JOURNAMALISM. So no matter how smart you may be, you don't have a secret journamalism decoder ring. This makes you fundamentally unserious and never, ever able to enter the hidden journamalism clubhouse.

Degrees mean nothing. You don't know the code and they do.

Lalala...my fingers are in my ears and I CAN'T HEAR YOU....

Posted by: bluewave on September 6, 2007 at 8:19 AM | PERMALINK

Another bunch you forgot: ScienceBlogs. There's a whole passel of Ph.D.s in various disciplines concentrated right there, and although there are a few moderate conservatives among them, and they aren't selected for their political views, you'll find an overall highly liberal bent among them. I get complaints about it -- conservatives whine that there's something unfair and underhanded about it, arguing that it's some kind of selection bias rather than a representative sampling of particularly highly educated bloggers.

Posted by: PZ Myers on September 6, 2007 at 8:44 AM | PERMALINK

My take away from your post is that the "meritocracy" has something to do with actual merit. That is, I have a much higher opinion of Brown graduate school than I ever had before. Bloggers get to be prominent, by having something interesting to say (at least in the liberal blogosphere).

Posted by: Robert Waldmann on September 6, 2007 at 8:58 AM | PERMALINK

Note the following from the blogger opinion survey...
Magazines you read regularly:
Print On-line
American Rifleman 91% (1101) 10% (123) 1213

This seems to indicate that 91% of the survey respondents read the American Rifleman regularly. This seems quite surprising in light of the other characteristics of those who responded.
Does anyone have an explanation? Did I misinterpret the table?
John S
Philadelphia, PA

Posted by: John Schmitt on September 6, 2007 at 9:52 AM | PERMALINK

since I'm not a registered journalist, despite having read as many books as Richard Cohen and about fifty in several foreign languages, my opinions are discounted cuz I blog.

No, doofus, your opinions are discounted because they come straight from Rush Limbaugh and the RNC blast-fax.

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My goodness, come unhinged very often?

You're what we used to call dull crayon material, because giving you pen and paper to work with would merely end up giving you a severe eye injury or a perforated bowel.

Posted by: Norman Rogers on September 6, 2007 at 10:21 AM | PERMALINK

Donald from Hawaii,

Considering Lute Olson, now at the University of Arizona, was the head BB coach at Long Beach State during that time, no wonder. Tarkanian was there before him.

And, it is a school for second chances in a way. Brigette Monet left a money making porn career, to study pre-med at Long Beach State and is now a MD.

So, Drum and Monet... Nah, too much singing Nessun Dorma this morning.

Posted by: thethirdPaul on September 6, 2007 at 10:26 AM | PERMALINK

Does anyone have an explanation? Did I misinterpret the table?

You did, but it's easy to do. I made the same mistake and started laughing at the prospect of 90-something percent of blog readers being addicted to USA Today.

The percentages in that table refer to the percentages of any particular publication's readers preferring online vs. print versions. The table could really benefit from identifying what percentage (rather than number of those responding) actually read the respective publications at all.

Posted by: shortstop on September 6, 2007 at 10:39 AM | PERMALINK

Gawd I love Normie. Where have you been. On vacation at some teenage hooker ranch in the Dominican Republic with Rush Limpdick. I don't relly know or care what college you went to because when you get right down to it what relly matters is what you print, do, and say. And allah be praised where would the laughs come from on this blog without Normie. Don't ever stop writing complete bullshit Norm it continues to point out that maybe an ivy league education is overpriced and overvalued because as you know there's another incompetent asshole ivy league graduate in the white house.

Posted by: Gandalf on September 6, 2007 at 10:42 AM | PERMALINK

Yeah, Normie taking time from his fund raising duties over at Hookers for Rudy, to post - Brings a tear.

Posted by: stupid git on September 6, 2007 at 10:46 AM | PERMALINK

Normie, had you only been able to finish school with Carl Sandburg at Lombard College - Oh, that's right, Carl was a drop out - pity.

Posted by: thethirdPaul on September 6, 2007 at 11:19 AM | PERMALINK

Posted by: Norman Rogers on September 6, 2007 at 10:21 AM | PERMALINK

Norm, you were completely PWND.

Posted by: Northern Observer on September 6, 2007 at 11:37 AM | PERMALINK

Norm, you were completely PWND.

Naw, I gotta side with Normie on this one. Staying up for hours obsessing lamely over Norman Rogers does not a pwn1ng make.

Posted by: shortstop on September 6, 2007 at 11:52 AM | PERMALINK

Late to the thread, but nevertheless:

I made it into the survey as an over 70 blogger who began blogging in 2002...AND, I have a BA from the University of Toronto and Master's in Journalism (gasp) from Northwestern. Blogs saved the day for me when the MSM failed completely, especially post-9/11. I mostly lurk, lured by by the immense talent and brain power herein!

Posted by: monzie on September 6, 2007 at 12:03 PM | PERMALINK

You are all missing the point: bloggers wear bathrobes. A guy with a Harvard Ph.D. who sits around in his bathrobe all day blogging is still just a guy who sits around in his bathrobe all day blogging. Posted by: Orson

This conversation seems to be confusing, at least for some of the people on the list, being "well-educated" versus intelligent and experienced. Yglesias is the perfect example of this closely followed by Josh Marshall. Have these guys ever done anything other than write about things other people do and say? Are they really that different than the better educated members of the Fighting 101st Keyboardists in that regard?

Posted by: JeffII on September 6, 2007 at 12:04 PM | PERMALINK

old harvard-texas-marine corps joke:

never ask a man any of the following three quests. listed below:

1)are you a harvard graduate?
2)are you from texas?
3)have you ever served in the marine corps?

the reason for not asking this question is:
1)if the answer is yes, then the probability, that he will eventually tell you this, is one.
2)if the answer is no, then the probability is one that you will only embarrass him.

Posted by: wschneid25 on September 6, 2007 at 12:07 PM | PERMALINK

one thing nice about bench pressing:

1)you can have all the acad. creds. in the world if you don't push hard enough the wt. won't go up.
2)if you do push hard enough the wt. goes up even if you have no acad. creds.

Posted by: wschneid25 on September 6, 2007 at 12:24 PM | PERMALINK
Now, go suck an egg Norman Rogers 12:17 AM
Say, weren't you in the stall next to me in the Boston Airport? Remember the one-eyed whitesnake we shared? Posted by: Senator Larry Craig on September 6, 2007 at 12:29 PM | PERMALINK

I have an MBA from Hamburger U., a J.D. from the Sequoia Institute of Truck Driving and an honorary doctorate in hospitality services from U.S.C.

George W. Bush has degrees from Yale and Harvard.


Posted by: Roger Ailes on September 6, 2007 at 12:44 PM | PERMALINK

JeffII: "well-educated" versus intelligent and experienced."

Well-educated = "going to places like Princeton & Harvard" though, of course, with GWB out there, it's pretty obvious that it isn't a sure thing that one will be well-educated there.

Intelligent. = smart enough to get into places like Princeton and Harvard. A "normal" kid going to hugely selective Princeton or Harvard--that is, if you don't have a legacy, a sport, affirmative action, a Hollywood career or CEO dad to boost your chances--has SATs scores in the top 1% of the population plus a high GPA and some distinquishing talent as well. That's pretty smart.

Experienced...well, that's kind of their private business, don't you think?

Posted by: PTate in FR on September 6, 2007 at 1:29 PM | PERMALINK
Gregor, Ph.D.s from anywhere are generally much more worthwhile than professional degrees, particularly MBAs.

Well, when it comes to political blogging, I'm not so sure; I'd take a MPP or even a JD more seriously than a Ph.D. in Econ on general public policy issues, all other things being equal.

(Though, in practice, all other things are rarely equal.)

Posted by: cmdicely on September 6, 2007 at 2:10 PM | PERMALINK

Norm, you were completely PWND.

Here, on this talent-deficient blog? Methinks you pulled that from your rump, Bumpkin.

Posted by: Norman Rogers on September 6, 2007 at 2:44 PM | PERMALINK

cmdicely: I'd take a MPP or even a JD more seriously than a Ph.D. in Econ

A JD, really? Oh, I get it, juvenile delinquency gives you justice system exposure.

Posted by: alex on September 6, 2007 at 3:03 PM | PERMALINK

A JD, really? Oh, I get it, juvenile delinquency gives you justice system exposure. Posted by: alex

Nope. Just fillin' his own sails. Otherwise, Shakespeare had it right.

Posted by: JeffII on September 6, 2007 at 3:07 PM | PERMALINK

Otherwise, Shakespeare had it right.

Oh, thanks very much. You know, of course, the actual context of that line. If not, 10 posters will now feel they have to explain it to you at excruciating length and with unbearable earnestness.

Posted by: shortstop on September 6, 2007 at 3:38 PM | PERMALINK

Well Brad deLong may be educated at Harvard but he still is (and probably always was) an idiot.

Posted by: anon on September 6, 2007 at 3:57 PM | PERMALINK

"Oh, thanks very much. You know, of course, the actual context of that line."

Okay, my liberal education fails me. Shakespeare wrote about Juvenile Delinquents? Perhaps one of those ten posters would explain it to me in excruciating length and unbearable earnestness. The abridged version or five line explanation would be okay as well.

Posted by: PTate in FR on September 6, 2007 at 6:27 PM | PERMALINK

Don't forget Andrew Sullivan, Oxford, Harvard PhD

Posted by: JDM on September 6, 2007 at 8:54 PM | PERMALINK

an old playboy cartoon:

a maitre d', at a fancy restaurant is talking on the tele. and the caption underneath says:

a reservation for six for dr. and mrs. jones for fri. nt. at 7:00-----now is that a legitimate
four year medical school degree or just some
wishy-washy, totally worthless three yr. ph.d.
in some artsy-fartsy liberal arts area like sociology?

Posted by: wschneid25 on September 7, 2007 at 6:58 AM | PERMALINK

Sorry, PTate. I believe Jeff was referring to Henry VI: "First thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers."

Posted by: shortstop on September 7, 2007 at 8:54 AM | PERMALINK




 

 

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