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September 16, 2007
By: Kevin Drum

THE BASE....Andrew Sullivan sez:

The discomfort level of the leading GOP candidates with anyone but straight white males is palpable.

Now see? That's just the kind of hyperbole Andrew is infamous for. And it's really unfair. The leading GOP candidates are perfectly comfortable with straight white females too.

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Not if the straight white female wants to be a leader.

Posted by: freelunch on September 16, 2007 at 1:58 PM | PERMALINK

sullivan: The discomfort level of the leading GOP candidates with anyone but straight white males is palpable.

i hear....its higher in men's bathrooms

Posted by: mr. irony on September 16, 2007 at 1:59 PM | PERMALINK

As a straight white male married to a straight white female I'll have to disagree with the both of you.

Posted by: Mark on September 16, 2007 at 2:09 PM | PERMALINK

Andrew Sullivan clearly has a self-hatred problem. He knows good and well that he is despised and hated by the Repukeliscum, yet he remains a Repukeliscum.

He must be very uncomfortable with his own orientation.

Posted by: POed Lib on September 16, 2007 at 2:10 PM | PERMALINK

Sorry, Kev, but Sillie is correct.

Posted by: Disputo on September 16, 2007 at 2:15 PM | PERMALINK

do you have any evidence for this contention, kevin?

the wing-nuts liked what phyllis schlafly said. they laugh along with anne coulter. they were afraid of nancy reagan.

but comfortable? with any woman?

where's the evidence?

Posted by: kid bitzer on September 16, 2007 at 2:25 PM | PERMALINK

Kevin is right - the Republicans ARE comfortable with straight, white females - barefoot, pregnant & in the kitchen where they belong.

Posted by: sidewinder on September 16, 2007 at 2:32 PM | PERMALINK

Well, several of them are so comfortable with white women that they married more than one.

Posted by: PaulB on September 16, 2007 at 2:32 PM | PERMALINK

Kid Bitzer:
Are any in any position of power?

Posted by: Joe Klein's conscience on September 16, 2007 at 2:33 PM | PERMALINK

jkc--

nope. that's part of my point.

that's why i was asking kevin for any evidence that the gop is comfortable with women of any kind.

Posted by: kid bitzer on September 16, 2007 at 2:45 PM | PERMALINK

Clearly, the Rs have a platform that is designed to appeal to voting age US citizens with an inclination to be nativist, authoritarian, isolationist and imperialist who also don't believe in evolution (or science in general). Just because those planks are narrowly focused doesn't mean their appeal is only to seemingly-straight white males and their cousins,er,wives. Rs are happy to let all races and genders vote for them as often as they want to. Just don't think they like it.

Posted by: TJM on September 16, 2007 at 2:46 PM | PERMALINK

They are definitely comfortable with straight white women like Kay Bailey Hutchison, but I wouldn't say they were all that comfortable with straight women in general. I think the candidates' comfort level is directly proportionate to the level of hair spray protecting the staight white woman from rational thought.

Posted by: jussumbody on September 16, 2007 at 2:57 PM | PERMALINK

Some of my favorite wives have been straight white females.

Posted by: reino on September 16, 2007 at 3:04 PM | PERMALINK

Remember when Sammy Davis, Jr. hugged Richard Nixon?

Posted by: floppin' pauper on September 16, 2007 at 3:09 PM | PERMALINK

Sully is an idiot and self promoter. and he is stupid too for sticking with the rethugs.

Posted by: bob on September 16, 2007 at 3:12 PM | PERMALINK

Oh, come on. The candidate closest to being an outright racist (Tancredo) and the most extreme anti-gay candidates (Brownback, Huckabee) all accepted the debate invitation.

The real reasons:

(a) PBS is not a prime venue for appealing to Republican primary voters.

(b) The types that do watch PBS are less likely to be swayed by soundbites and more likely to swayed by sincere, reasoned arguments. Even if you abhor the principles of Tancredo or Paul, they are at least offering real arguments based on those principles. So the front runners using poll-tested stuff have little to gain.

(c) In general we're probably going to see fewer of the 8/9/10 candidate debates. The front runners must be realizing by now that these things help Huckabee and Paul more than themselves.

Posted by: eeyn524 on September 16, 2007 at 3:33 PM | PERMALINK

Considering the last year of Republican sex scandels*, the only reasonable conclusion one can make is that the reason Republicans want to appeal to "straight white males" is as a form of mating ritual, since observable data says many are "straight" white males.

* And the only real outlier is a guy who likes to crap in diapers during sex, so we're dealing with a situation where the only weirdo is the straight guy.

Posted by: Phalamir on September 16, 2007 at 4:00 PM | PERMALINK

sullivan: The discomfort level of the leading GOP candidates with anyone but straight white males is palpable.

mr. irony: i hear....its higher in men's bathrooms

"Palatable" may be a more accurate word. Or maybe "Palpable" then "Palatable."


Or are you more so going for "Pilferable"?

Posted by: absent observer on September 16, 2007 at 4:33 PM | PERMALINK

Well, now that Alan Keyes is poised to jump in, the black vote is there to be had.

I mean, look how well Keyes did in Illinois against Obama.

Posted by: Tracy on September 16, 2007 at 6:04 PM | PERMALINK

Vin mit Romney!

Posted by: adolph on September 16, 2007 at 6:13 PM | PERMALINK

Obviously, the Dems are quite comfortable with People of Color Including Lesbians, Gays, Transsexuals, Transgenders, and Others. That is, just as long as they form a neat little power base. If they disagree, then it's off to the modern-day equivalent of the gulags.

[Note: my comments are frequently deleted or edited without notice, and this will likely suffer the same fate.]

Posted by: The annoying LonewackoDotCom on September 16, 2007 at 6:48 PM | PERMALINK

Fear not, Republicans, Alan Keyes has declared; and, yes, he will run!
We shall see if Handy Andy narrows his stance.

Posted by: Mike on September 16, 2007 at 6:48 PM | PERMALINK

Sullivan voted for John Kerry, you guys. He hasn't been "sticking with the rethugs" for years now.

Posted by: Rip on September 16, 2007 at 7:09 PM | PERMALINK

One has to wonder what kind of political landscape we would now have, had Colin Powell decided to run in '96. (Yes, I know: his willingness to drink Bush's cool-aid, etc., which destroyed him*; too much of a good solder and all. Still, historically, military men have not been a bad lot in the presidency.)

*Look at the list of good people who drank Bush's cool-aid, and how it destroyed them.

Sullivan has a funny reply to Kevin; nice to see they're both good sports about this stuff. And again, for my money, Sullivan is a far sharper critic of Bush & Co. than 97% of the left of center critics. Interesting . . .

Posted by: MaxGowan on September 16, 2007 at 7:23 PM | PERMALINK

Who is "Andrew Sullivan?" He's not that flatulent trick from last night's party at the Stoneleigh, is he?

Posted by: John Cole on September 16, 2007 at 7:51 PM | PERMALINK

Yeah, at $100 an hour.

Posted by: Johnny on September 16, 2007 at 8:06 PM | PERMALINK

They were comfortable with cookies on tables Doan - for a while at least...

Posted by: Ya Know.... on September 16, 2007 at 8:26 PM | PERMALINK

Dear annoying, Ya Know...I was in the half-price book store yesterday [[sorry to inform YOU no copies of 'My Pet Goat' were to be had]] but I did come across a book by Coulters old flame, Dinesh D'Souza, called "The End of Racism", something about principles required for a multi-racial society.
Is it my fault the Republicans are squeamish becaus of the Republican 'mano-a-mano' scandals?

Yah know what tho? I am savvy to the attack your opposition with your weakness game.

And in the words of Moby Grendel Dick as he leapt off GoodShip Lollipops plank, "Nice Try."

Posted by: Ya Know.... on September 16, 2007 at 8:47 PM | PERMALINK

Not if the straight white female wants to be a leader.

Or wants an abortion.

Posted by: Thumb on September 16, 2007 at 9:33 PM | PERMALINK

Why does anyone pay attention to what Sullivan says?

Posted by: brian on September 16, 2007 at 9:34 PM | PERMALINK

Well, I think Sully is unfair. Depending on how emotionally supple and physically limber they are, the leading GOP candidates would prefer straight white females to males of any kind.

Except Mitt.

Mitt would tie her to the top of the car and go 70 miles per hour, just to her her howl.

Posted by: dan robinson on September 16, 2007 at 10:11 PM | PERMALINK

I wonder if Sully knows his "husband" is fooling around behind his back?

Posted by: Ted on September 16, 2007 at 10:52 PM | PERMALINK

"Except Mitt.

Mitt would tie her to the top of the car and go 70 miles per hour, just to her her howl.

That is funny, I gotta admit.

Just when the thread was looking like a bust.

Posted by: tomtom on September 16, 2007 at 11:01 PM | PERMALINK

Mitt would tie her to the top of the car and go 70 miles per hour, just to her her howl.

That is funny, I gotta admit.

It is. Especially when you think that it's the only way Mitt could ever make a woman howl, other than in boredom and disgust.

Posted by: shortstop on September 16, 2007 at 11:41 PM | PERMALINK

Andrew Sullivan...just one of the many "turning worms" or "jumping rats"...he was right in there CHEERLEADING for Bush and Company at the beginning of the occupation...course sings a different tune whenever "gay issues" are being discussed. Talk about an agenda!

Posted by: Dancer on September 17, 2007 at 9:48 AM | PERMALINK

Well, just to clarify one point: I've read Andrew Sullivan for years, and he has repeatedly posted, over many years, that he is not, nor never has been, a Republican. He was a Tory, in his youth in Britain.
And at least since 2004, he has endorsed Democrats in every election. So, say what you will, but he isn't a Republican, as many in this comment thread have said.

Posted by: Eric on September 17, 2007 at 10:17 AM | PERMALINK

Remember when Sammy Davis, Jr. hugged Richard Nixon? Posted by: floppin' pauper

That was a great twofer for Tricky Dick - a negro and a Jew.

Posted by: JeffII on September 17, 2007 at 11:04 AM | PERMALINK

Irony alert: brian, everyone's favorite faux-reasonable concern troll, whose posts are devoid of anything but authoritarian apologia and weak pushing of the discreded myth of GOP competence on defense, wonders:

Why does anyone pay attention to what Sullivan says?

I'll give you one answer, brian: His recognition of Bush as an incompetent authoritarian provides evidence of more intelligence and honesty than you, "ex-liberal", and the rest of you Bush Cultists can muster together.

Posted by: Gregory on September 17, 2007 at 11:39 AM | PERMALINK

What about Rudy and his gay roommates?

Posted by: phg on September 17, 2007 at 12:03 PM | PERMALINK

Only when the straight while females charge $200 per hour, if ya get my drift.

Posted by: scott on September 17, 2007 at 12:43 PM | PERMALINK

Speaks volumes. They also had to cancel the Univision debate. The only way a Repub candidate can get the nomination is to aim for the core of the GOP base.

Posted by: Daryl on September 17, 2007 at 2:27 PM | PERMALINK

Margaret Thatcher.

Golda Meir.

Two straight white females in positions of power that the GOP was very comfortable with. I despise the modern Republican party a lot, but cheap shots are still cheap shots.

Posted by: Daniel on September 17, 2007 at 5:37 PM | PERMALINK




 

 

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