November 3, 2007
ALL-TIME WINGNUTTIEST BLOG POST CONTEST....While the rest of the blogosphere concerns itself with the worthy task of choosing the all-time best blog posts, I'm keeping my focus where it belongs: on the all-time worst blog posts. And thanks to help from my commenters, plus commenters over at FDL and John Cole's place, we now have an official list of nominees.
A note on methodology: Several prose stylings that seem like they ought to be on the ballot missed out because intensive research by the PA staff determined that they weren't actually blog posts. "Objectively pro-terrorist" deserves recognition, for example, but it came from a Michael Kelly column, not a blog post. Ditto for "The decadent Left in its enclaves on the coasts is not dead and may well mount a fifth column," which Andrew Sullivan wrote for the Sunday Times, not his blog. Or John Derbyshire's musings on women over the age of 20. And "Lucky Duckies" was a Wall Street Journal editorial. Since this contest is all about blog wingnuttery, these contenders were sadly but firmly disqualified.
But why focus on the all-time worst in the wingnut blogosphere anyway? Isn't that mean? What's driving this besides sheer bloody-mindedness?
History, that's what. A century from now, even the very best blog posts will be long forgotten. Let's face it: they aren't that good. But bad blog posts will still be every bit as bad as they were on the day they were spawned. They'll endure. So really, we're doing this for the children. And the grandchildren.
The fourteen finalists for the worst, most embarrassing, most risible wingnut blog posts of all time are listed below. You can vote for up to five. So take a trip down memory lane and then vote for your favorites. Remember: It's your civic duty.
UPDATE: Voting is now finished. Thanks to one and all. The final five winners are announced here.
—Kevin Drum 6:20 PM
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The Steven Den Beste website seems to not even let ANYONE link there from Washingtonmonthly.com. That's a new low.
Posted by: Daniel A. Munz on November 3, 2007 at 6:27 PM | PERMALINK
OK, I AM a woman, but I just can't resist. Kim du Toit. French name, right? Wouldn't the correct prounciation of that be "Kim du Twat"? Sounds like a femal porn star. Explains a lot about him.
(I can't believe I said that. My mother must be spinning in her grave.)
Posted by: Helena Montana on November 3, 2007 at 6:28 PM | PERMALINK
The Krugman comment that the collapse of Enron would be more important than 9/11 - not a blog post either? Couldn't find any worthy blog posts defending Dan Rather?
Posted by: Homer on November 3, 2007 at 6:30 PM | PERMALINK
Love the constant ripping on Kim's name. Very open-minded and tolerant of you liberals. It's pronounced du Twah.
Posted by: Homer on November 3, 2007 at 6:32 PM | PERMALINK
Homer: Get off your butt. That's a job for conservatives. This is a contest for worst wingnut blog entry.
Posted by: Kevin Drum on November 3, 2007 at 6:36 PM | PERMALINK
Kim du Twah's name explains a lot about his article. He's probably spent his whole life on the defensive about his masculinity.
I voted for Pam Atlas not so much because of thhe specified post as for thhe whole person. Shhe's like a low rent Coulter.
Posted by: wonkie on November 3, 2007 at 6:36 PM | PERMALINK
Can't we just vote for the ledes? Every one's a bonafide hit, worth the award alone. They all bring back memories.
Posted by: ThresherK on November 3, 2007 at 6:55 PM | PERMALINK
what's that drug you use to suppress the urge to puke? I need a sixpack to get through those posts...
Posted by: supersaurus on November 3, 2007 at 7:01 PM | PERMALINK
A meta-note -- it's said the trajectory of a growing political movement goes something like, first they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
Well, it would seem the wingnut-o-sphere is at step 2 on the way DOWN.
Posted by: bleh on November 3, 2007 at 7:04 PM | PERMALINK
I'm just a kid in a candy store with one coin to spend. Please, Sir, can I have some more?
Posted by: Jackie on November 3, 2007 at 7:15 PM | PERMALINK
More of you really do need to consider the "Tribes" post by Bill Whittle.
In another forum, where such efforts are called by their proper name, wanking, I had this to say about it:
"...Whittle’s Tribe post cannot be topped[in a competition of the years worst wankery -eds]. It comes in at 6,877 words and eleven pages of single spaced (double between paragraphs) of 9 pt verdana type. It isn’t just a blog post, it is a veritable pamphlet of wank complete with italicized words when a point needs to be driven home. Not only are there divisions between grey and pink, there is the further division of the world into warrior sheepdogs, sheep, and wolves (guess who’s who). And of course the sheepdogs don;t always like what they have to do, and the sheep don’t always understand because they a fearful herd, but dammit the sheep have to understand that the wolves want to kill them.
It really is the most breathtaking example of wankery since Kim Du Toit’s epic tissue waster The Pussification Of The Western Male."
So, so very true. They are two of the most epically bad things people have ever put on the internet.
You really owe it to yourself to read the whole "Tribes" post. It has to be seen to be believed.
Posted by: Bas-O-Matic on November 3, 2007 at 7:18 PM | PERMALINK
My picks:
1. Althouse & the Jessica Valenti breast controversy
2. du Toit - Pussification, &c.
3. Goldberg's helpful advice to Katrina victims
4. Assrocket's lament for the unsung genius of George W. Bush
5. Lee Siegel and blogofascism
Frankly, I think the youtube clips from Malkin and Pam need to be in their own category of Worst Web Videos. We could also include in that Althouse's commentary on the Jessica Valenti breast controversy.
Posted by: Isaac on November 3, 2007 at 7:19 PM | PERMALINK
There has to be something by Andrew Sullivan!
Posted by: chris on November 3, 2007 at 7:24 PM | PERMALINK
That Glen Reynolds "I Told You So" one most definitely deserves to be in the top 5. You can just feel the hate oozing.
Posted by: Dan on November 3, 2007 at 7:37 PM | PERMALINK
Is there a contest for the use of oxymoron: intellectual, erudite conservative?
Posted by: Tired in Tennessee on November 3, 2007 at 8:08 PM | PERMALINK
Kevin, the entire premise of this post is childish and annoying. It is certain to bring out the worst in the comment community. I don't care if the question is directed to the left asking about "the worst" blog posts from the right, or to the right asking about "the worst" posts from the left.
It ignores the ideas and insults the reader. If the ideas expressed in one side's posts are faulty, by all means respond with fair argumentation that would convince a reader that the ideas have been refuted.
Just saying that the other side has cooties and are stinky stinkpots is something that should not happen after, say, second grade in elementary school. I'm disappointed that you and your community of commenters seem to revel in it.
Posted by: Otis on November 3, 2007 at 8:18 PM | PERMALINK
Wait, Wait, Kevin! You MUST accept a late entry. This is from the Wayback Machine, but I must insist you consider.
Ladies and gentlemen, Jackie Massey Paisley Passey on dating.
She's a Randroid, so I think that counts as a wingnut post.
Posted by: Ron on November 3, 2007 at 8:24 PM | PERMALINK
"My Tribe" is a tear-jerker.
I give it a five-klenex rating.
But for all its humble bravado....
It's lacking one important puzzle piece:
Does "My Tribe" torture people?
Posted by: ROTFLMLAO on November 3, 2007 at 8:36 PM | PERMALINK
So really, we're doing this for the children. And the grandchildren.
As if we need more examples of the stupidity and ignorance of some with access to a distribution channel--bloggers today with web sites or pamphlateers of yesterday with a cheap printing press and minions to pass out their diatribes--they're all much the same (no offense intended).
The fourteen finalists for the worst, most embarrassing, most risible wingnut blog posts of all time are listed below.
You forgot Mein Kampf, and a host of others.
Posted by: has407 on November 3, 2007 at 8:44 PM | PERMALINK
Submitted for consideration:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/8/16/6303/86531
Posted by: majarosh on November 3, 2007 at 8:52 PM | PERMALINK
Kevin, the entire premise of this post is childish and annoying. It is certain to bring out the worst in the comment community.
Damn straight! Wingnuts deserve nothing less. Where have you been the last 40 years?
Posted by: elmo on November 3, 2007 at 8:53 PM | PERMALINK
Just saying that the other side has cooties and are stinky stinkpots is something that should not happen after, say, second grade in elementary school. I'm disappointed that you and your community of commenters seem to revel in it.
neener neener neener!!!!eleven!!!!
Posted by: jcricket on November 3, 2007 at 9:07 PM | PERMALINK
Kevin, the entire premise of this post is childish and annoying. It is certain to bring out the worst in the comment community.
On the contrary, it is to call a turd a turd, which is eminently worthy, noble and of lasting value.
"They are not ridiculed because ridicule in itself is, or ought to
be, a pleasure, but because it is just to undeceive and vindicate the honest and unpretending part of mankind from imposition, because particular interest ought to yield to general, and a great number who are not naturally fools ought never to be made so, in complaisance to a few who are." -- Alexander Pope
Posted by: ahem on November 3, 2007 at 9:10 PM | PERMALINK
I suppose we should hold a similar contest for Lefty blogs, then compare the results. I can't think of any now, but there must have been a few bad ones.
Posted by: the fake fake al on November 3, 2007 at 9:16 PM | PERMALINK
Wow. That video blog of Pam "Atlas Shrugs" Geller was pretty far out there. She is a low rent Coulter.
Posted by: JAC on November 3, 2007 at 9:19 PM | PERMALINK
Kevin, I'd suggest that you use links that open a new tab, because any markings one makes on the poll while reading through the entries is erased when you return back. I marked John Derbyshire's incredibly inane and inhuman post as a sure "top 5" winner, but proceeding to Domenech's otherworldly rant erased my mark for Derbyshire. It's simple to close a tab after you're done reading. As you have it, you either have to remember all five "worsts" or mark your candidates on a piece of paper (!)
Cheers, Greg
Posted by: Greg in FL on November 3, 2007 at 9:22 PM | PERMALINK
In all fairness, I did enjoy taking a closer look at those breasts.
Posted by: Frank on November 3, 2007 at 9:28 PM | PERMALINK
My vote went to Pam "Atlas Shrugs" for her My Sharia video. Any vlog with the words "When you gonna cut my va? va jay jay!" has got to win the prize for worst post ever.
Posted by: Rosali on November 3, 2007 at 9:28 PM | PERMALINK
Atlas Shrugs is easily my favorite wingnut site. She's the quintessential yenta philosopher; loud, myopic; a jingoist torn between two flags. And then there's the irony of the blog name; Atlas Shrugged was written by an atheist born to secular Jewish parents; a woman who didn't believe that the US should have fought in either World War or Vietnam. Oh, delicious irony.
Posted by: Tuna on November 3, 2007 at 9:35 PM | PERMALINK
I went for Den Beste, Derbyshire, du Toit, Reynolds, and Whittle. The Hinderaker, which is in the lead, pales in comparison to those. Clearly you're just reading Kevin's excerpt--come on, people! The rest of it is excrement like all the rest, but it isn't quite as much of a ball-licking fest as that memorable quote leads one to believe. Give Glenn the attention he deserves, and also let's hear a big shout-out to poor Mr. Whittle, who's inexplicably near dead last.
Posted by: fumphis on November 3, 2007 at 9:36 PM | PERMALINK
"what's that drug you use to suppress the urge to puke? I need a sixpack to get through those posts..."
Marijuana. It's one of the best anti-nausea drugs available. Combined with copious amounts of whiskey (I'd recommend Lagavulin), it's more than enough to get through those blogs. And if you're intoxicated enough, some of those blogs might even start making sense. That's when you need to slow down on the whiskey. In some cases, say Christopher Hitchens, you NEED to get wasted before reading. But there are some cases, like Michelle Malkin, where you need something stronger, like DMT.
Posted by: fostert on November 3, 2007 at 9:37 PM | PERMALINK
Has anyone contacted Child Protective Services vis-a-vis the "My Sharia" video? I know child abuse when I see it, and that's child abuse.
Posted by: Bob on November 3, 2007 at 9:49 PM | PERMALINK
My votes went to Ben Domensch because the post was so unbelievably stupid to begin with and it started the infamous 24 hour flameout from the Post.
Kim du Toit for being an impotent, misogynistic weakling with a French girl's name.
Pam Atlas Jugs for actually making me more uncomfortable than David Brent at his most excruciating, embarrassing worst in The Office.
John Assrocket for being the biggest idiot on the Internet.
Michelle Malkin for being the vapid, blinking blow up doll she is.
Posted by: Old Hat on November 3, 2007 at 10:03 PM | PERMALINK
my these are bad. we can only vote for five?
old hat, you give michelle malkin too much credit.
Posted by: mudwall jackson on November 3, 2007 at 10:13 PM | PERMALINK
Kevin, the entire premise of this post is childish and annoying. It is certain to bring out the worst in the comment community. I don't care if the question is directed to the left asking about "the worst" blog posts from the right, or to the right asking about "the worst" posts from the left.
Oh dear God, a concern troll who's deeply concerned about the bitter partisanship on the Internet!
Please cease and desist from all partisan activities and reach across the aisle in the interest of tamping down this horrible partisan rancor! David Broder beseeches you, nasty blogofascist liberals!
Posted by: Old Hat on November 3, 2007 at 10:27 PM | PERMALINK
Shorter Pussification:
Big tits good. Mommy bad.
I've said it before...
Time to say it again:
Someone needs to do a psycho study to see if republicanism is a result of not getting enough nipple in the formative years.
Test that hypotheses...
Please.
Posted by: ROTFLMAO on November 3, 2007 at 10:35 PM | PERMALINK
Sullivan wrote "may well mount a fifth column," not the clumsy "mount what amounts to"--he cleaned it up later (including in his own archives, though those are mostly gone now). Google the former phrase and you'll get a whole lot of contemporaneous reaction. I don't think they all misread him.
Posted by: Thrax on November 3, 2007 at 10:40 PM | PERMALINK
Oh, hey, the helpful folks at Free Republic put the whole thing up in its original form. Thanks, guys!
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/524437/posts
Posted by: Thrax on November 3, 2007 at 10:42 PM | PERMALINK
Hinderaker ought to win hands down. I showed that post to some wingnuts I know -- the kind of people who argue that Bill O'Reilly is a moderate, the Supreme Court is liberal, and so on -- and every single one of them thought it was a parody post from some liberal blogger. It's so absurd that even people who suffer from terminal Irony Dysfunctional Syndrome could detect something fishy.
Posted by: Martin Gale on November 3, 2007 at 10:50 PM | PERMALINK
Kevin,
What's the point of voting on this? Genius has its limitations but stupidity is not thus constrained. There is no lower bound!
Posted by: capitalistimperialistpig on November 3, 2007 at 11:29 PM | PERMALINK
There's an additional tidbit about the Hinderaker post that puts it in a class by itself. Not only is he aghast that people don't recognize George Bush's unending genius, but guess what the proximate cause of his aghastness is?
Yep, the Asia Pacific Partnership on Clean Development and Climate. This is the presidential initiative that's his "latest master stroke."
Is there a single person here who remembers in even vague terms what this supposed master stroke was? I sure can't. But this is what got Assrocket so hot and bothered. That takes a very special brand of wingnuttery.
Posted by: Kevin Drum on November 4, 2007 at 12:56 AM | PERMALINK
And for what it's worth, I didn't realise you could vote for more than one, so eager was I to cast my vote for the Anal Projectile. It's the distilled wingnuttery that makes it a stand-out, the refusal to accept that the emperor is naked even though your head is thrust between his bare asscheeks.
In passing, I'm surprised it isn't the top PowerLine post under Google's results for Assrocket. The linked post is: it's his 40-minute noshing session with Bush, which he calls "an absolutely riveting experience."
Posted by: ahem on November 4, 2007 at 1:21 AM | PERMALINK
a meta-note -- it's said the trajectory of a growing political movement goes something like, first they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
well, it would seem the wingnut-o-sphere is at step 2 on the way down.
i think the hardly-ever-right wing is simply doing gandhi's progression in reverse:
first they won, then we fought them, now we're laughing at them, soon we'll ignore them...
Posted by: skippy on November 4, 2007 at 1:32 AM | PERMALINK
I am SO disappointed that Malkin's 'The John Doe Manifesto' didn't make the list. None of the listed nominees really typify the batshit fascism of the right as well as that one.
Ah well. C'est la vie.
Posted by: JGabriel on November 4, 2007 at 1:45 AM | PERMALINK
I'm crushed. I was going to make the Kim du Twat joke and I see that I've been beaten to the punch by, oh, 2,511,653 people.
Sigh.
Posted by: jprichva on November 4, 2007 at 1:48 AM | PERMALINK
Wow. Just wow. Some of those posts were absolutely wrong in hindsight...but what is Tribes doing there? More generally, this seems like an excuse to p*** on all the right-wing posts you can think of, which is a pretty pointless exercise in partisanship. Why not at least do an equivalent one with all the worst left-wing posts you can think of?
Posted by: Math_Mage on November 4, 2007 at 2:02 AM | PERMALINK
Well, we could misspell it Kim du Toite and then he would be a twat. Not that there's anything objectively wrong with twats, which are fine, upstanding bodily accessories, and the word really shouldn't be used as an insult. In his case, though, an exception seems prudent.
Posted by: shortstop on November 4, 2007 at 2:16 AM | PERMALINK
Wow, the terrible "partisanship" of mocking horrendously bad winger posts on a left-leaning blog seems to have gotten some freeper concern trolls' panties in a twist. This ain't Joe Lieberman's house. If Kevin wants to make fun of atrocious winger blogging, he (and we) will do it with no reaching across the aisle required.
Posted by: shortstop on November 4, 2007 at 2:20 AM | PERMALINK
The atlasshrugged/pamela geller/my sharia link crashed Firefox. Boo hiss.
Malkin - you'd think someone who subs for O'Reilly would have the least clue about video production value. Like editing out the second of inhale before yelling. It'd make her look more energetic.
Ann Althouse - is it wrong that I think I need the picture in question before deciding?
Hugh Hewitt's post sounds like a Fark cliche of some member who got shamed off the site when he huffily claimed being at some sort of risk on 9/11 because he had a view of Logan Airport. Can't remember or find it now, but *they* had the sense to ridicule him into oblivion. It occasionally comes up, especially in photoshop contests, usually in the context of "man up, you wimp ass"
But for me, if I were to put one post in a time capsule to describe the decrepit state of public discourse, it would be Instapundit. The most popular right-wing blogger, reflecting the attitude of the majority of media pundits, hand-waving at the oh-so-wrong naysayers. The capacity of self-delusion makes this the premier post, far and above everyone else.
Posted by: anonymous on November 4, 2007 at 2:31 AM | PERMALINK
I can't believe I read through all of them. They were all just so bad. I don't really mind the Instapundit-type ones that just happened to be wrong, but the sheer stupidity and cluelessness. den Beste has to be on the top because he doesn't want people coming from here to read his stuff and because he thought that France will attack the US over Iraq. My Sharia was the most cringe inducing - the if-I-knew-Geller-I-would-never-ever-recognize-her-in-public bad.
Thanks a lot Kevin.
Posted by: mcdruid on November 4, 2007 at 2:35 AM | PERMALINK
"Wow, the terrible "partisanship" of mocking horrendously bad winger posts on a left-leaning blog seems to have gotten some freeper concern trolls' panties in a twist. This ain't Joe Lieberman's house. If Kevin wants to make fun of atrocious winger blogging, he (and we) will do it with no reaching across the aisle required."
My point was that it was a stupid thing to do, and just happened to be partisan as well. My suggestion doesn't make it a less stupid thing to do, it was just facetious.
And my question stands - why Tribes?
Posted by: Math_Mage on November 4, 2007 at 2:37 AM | PERMALINK
Deciding which to vote for is hard, since most of these aren't bad posts. They're hilarious, enjoyable to read, and quite memorable... all things that are rather the opposite of bad. The concept is "wingnuttiest" which is different, I suppose, but worthwhile. The worst blog posts ever would be utterly forgettable, and not worth differentiating between.
Still, it pains me to vote for writing that I would find hilarious and enjoyable if it were intentional parody. The Kim du Toit post, for instance, is essentially vintage Maddox, author of the best page in the universe and a ridiculous How to be a Man comedy book I always get a few laughs from while browsing Borders.
Quite a few of these could slip effortlessly into the fake editorial archives of the Onion, for that matter. The Hindraker one about Bush's genius, for instance.
It's also tricky to judge some with the benefit of hindsight. I don't think there's any rational defense of the de Benste Francophobic betwetting, but Glenn Reynolds' "nah" had some factual basis, at least at the time it was written. Then it was just mean and petty and stupid. It's only with the benefit of time that it's become vote-worthy. How will the rest of these selections age?
Posted by: Flux on November 4, 2007 at 2:45 AM | PERMALINK
The atlasshrugged/pamela geller/my sharia link crashed Firefox.
Lucky you.
Posted by: Thlayli on November 4, 2007 at 5:42 AM | PERMALINK
I don't see how anyone but Hindraker could win. I still remember the day that was published. It took quite some time to be convinced their site hadn't been hacked.
Posted by: Jazz on November 4, 2007 at 7:16 AM | PERMALINK
My vote went to Pam "Atlas Shrugs" for her My Sharia video. Any vlog with the words "When you gonna cut my va? va jay jay!" has got to win the prize for worst post ever.
Oh dear. It just dawned on me what she is saying here. My shoulders were so hunched up in permanent cringe mode that I missed it the first go around.
Posted by: JAC on November 4, 2007 at 7:18 AM | PERMALINK
"Kim du Toit for being an impotent, misogynistic weakling with a French girl's name."
1. I'm not impotent.
2. I'm not a misogynist.
3. "Kim" isn't a French name, male or female.
"I'm crushed. I was going to make the Kim du Twat joke and I see that I've been beaten to the punch by, oh, 2,511,653 people."
So by your own admission, you're not only pathetic, you're unoriginal.
Making fun of someone's name always works SO well in the grade-school playground, which is what this silly little exercise of Drum seems to be.
I should point out that of the email responses from women that I've received about this rant, the positives outweigh the negatives by about 300 to 1. At least most women seem to get the point of the post -- too bad it seems to have flown over the heads of most, including Kevin Drum.
Oh, and by the way, I'm really upset that more people are offended by John Darbyshire (surely, the mildest of conservatives) than by me. That stings.
And I can't believe that the Pussification essay made it ahead of Let Africa Sink, which has also triggered the liberal Offend-O-Meter so much in the past, so that horrified liberals could add "Racist!" to the "Misogynist!" epithets.
Maybe next year, Kevin?
Posted by: Kim du Toit on November 4, 2007 at 8:28 AM | PERMALINK
Kim's site is so sophisticated. The air of an intellectual. So thoughtful too. Mustache? Arrogant? Not likely to take a joke well? HA HA
Posted by: bobbywally on November 4, 2007 at 8:39 AM | PERMALINK
Nothing by the anti-idiotarian rottweiler? (nicedoggie.net)
Probably the most deranged right-wing blog I've ever seen.
Posted by: Speed on November 4, 2007 at 8:51 AM | PERMALINK
Gee, Kim, it's good to see that you don't take this stuff (or yourself) too seriously.
You obviously have the Bloggers' Disease (which the late Steve Gilliard suffered from): you spend an enormous amount of time & energy battling with other bloggers and responding to negative posts and e-mails, defending your Ego, rather than keeping some perspective on how unimportant most of this stuff is.
Posted by: Gay Old Potty on November 4, 2007 at 8:55 AM | PERMALINK
Funny how many of the right-wing blogs have closed commenting systems. They want to fight the Global War Against Islamo-Fascism but they're afraid of a few liberals leaving comments.
Posted by: Not a Troll on November 4, 2007 at 9:18 AM | PERMALINK
This was a tough call! Finally voted for Derbyshire's piece on the Virginia Tech shootings. For me, this article epitomizes neo-conservatives extraordinary lack of conscience in pushing their agenda. Their "end" always justifies their "means".
Posted by: JerseyMissouri on November 4, 2007 at 9:28 AM | PERMALINK
Kevin writes about the Asia Pacific Partnership on Clean Development and Climate and whether anyone here remembers why it was considered a "latest master stroke" by Bush.
Fortunately "anyone here" does not include rdw. He posted extensively about the Asia Pacific Partnership and how they were going to leave Kyoto in the dust. This was back in the latter days of '05, when rdw would post for hours - There was one time in December '05 when rdw, Alex and TBroz hooked up about APP, the EU and the US. It became so bad that Pale Rider actually thought it was a rdw parody. If only rdw would have had his own blog site, he could have been in the top five.
Posted by: bert on November 4, 2007 at 9:30 AM | PERMALINK
Man, that Kim du Toit has some real issues. I scanned though his post and the bit about the Cheerios commercial caught my eye. Going off on a rant about characters in a tee-vee commercial? Yikes. Somebody has some real deep-seated issues with their Mommy, I'd say...
Posted by: Mark on November 4, 2007 at 9:45 AM | PERMALINK
Homer: Get off your butt. That's a job for conservatives. This is a contest for worst wingnut blog entry.
Kevin views politics as tribalism rather than a serious discussion... so, of course, his 'side' couldn't have a bad blog post. Sad but expected.
Posted by: Al on November 4, 2007 at 9:55 AM | PERMALINK
But Otis, Kevin, Atrios, Kos, et al, and the commenters therein, have been explaining for years why those posts and similar are idiotic. It's disingenuous of you to expect that *every time the posts are mentioned*, we have to reinvent the wheel and provide rebuttals again right there.
Posted by: Neil B. on November 4, 2007 at 9:56 AM | PERMALINK
OK Al, since you believe that honor means providing bad posts from your own side, let's see your nominees for worst right-wing blog posts.
PS: I was addressing Otis, but then listing Kevin et al - a quirk of comma use.
Posted by: Neil B. on November 4, 2007 at 9:58 AM | PERMALINK
Guys, I know hard-core lefties are notorious for lacking a sense of humor, but let me suggest that the Hinderaker post was an over the top put-on to get your eyes spinning in concentric circles until your heads explode.
Posted by: minion on November 4, 2007 at 10:02 AM | PERMALINK
I voted for Pam "Shrieky" Atlas since she got her children involved. That takes it to a whole 'nother level of terrible.
And minion, it didn't work, did it?
Posted by: Doodle Bean on November 4, 2007 at 10:05 AM | PERMALINK
All we should do is make sure that none of Africa gets transplanted over to the U.S., because the danger to our society is dire if it does. I note that several U.S. churches are attempting to bring groups of African refugees over to the United States, European churches the same for Europe. Mistake. Mark my words, this misplaced charity will turn around and bite us, big time.
-- Kim de Toit, Let Africa Sink.
Kim is right. This essay is truly pukeworthy.
Posted by: Douglas Watts on November 4, 2007 at 10:10 AM | PERMALINK
Funny how many of the right-wing blogs have closed commenting systems. They want to fight the Global War Against Islamo-Fascism but they're afraid of a few liberals leaving comments.
Actually, I think they are even more afraid of their own supporters leaving comments - that would just reveal how stupid/hateful/racist/misogynist/etc their fans are - not to mention the inevitable schisms that would result.
Posted by: Cholly on November 4, 2007 at 10:20 AM | PERMALINK
why Tribes?
Since I nominated it, I'd say that this sentence alone does it:
if the Superdome had been filled with white, middle-class, racist, conservative cocksuckers like myself, it would not have been a refinery of horror, but rather a citadel of hope and order and restraint and compassion.
Even if we accept Whittle's protestations that this isn't about race, the smug self-satisfaction alone would be enough to put this over the top. Also that the "refinery of horror" stories about the Superdome turned out to be urban legends.
Posted by: Matt Weiner on November 4, 2007 at 10:20 AM | PERMALINK
Or, if you like, we can go to the Poor Man:
If anyone is wondering what exactly we are looking for in a wanker, using the country’s worst natural disaster in recent memory as a chance to exalt their hypothetical heroism is a pretty good example.
Posted by: Matt Weiner on November 4, 2007 at 10:24 AM | PERMALINK
What a great idea, drive a bunch of traffic to the wingnut sites. Those with ads will appreciate the revenue you drive their way.
Posted by: Chris Brown on November 4, 2007 at 10:40 AM | PERMALINK
I voted for the Derbyshire post on the Virginia Tech shootings, for the stunningly infantile macho posturing. You read that post think "this was written by a child." On second thought though, the Hindraker Bush-worship post is the clear winner.
Posted by: Del Capslock on November 4, 2007 at 10:59 AM | PERMALINK
Damn... I didn't read "let's take a closer look at those breasts" until after I voted. Can I get a do-over?
Posted by: keptsimple on November 4, 2007 at 11:01 AM | PERMALINK
Wow, Lookist--
He even LOOKS like a twat.
Shortstop--
As you point out, the twat itself is a noble thing. The word, however, is funny. And has fallen into disuse. Though just the other day, one of my co-workers revived the old joke about the TWA flight attendant of yore who went down the aisle offering her clients "TWA Coffee, TWA Milk, or TWA Tea?"
That got a big laugh in the fourth grade.
Posted by: jprichva on November 4, 2007 at 11:08 AM | PERMALINK
Lee Siegel's nomination doesn't really seem to fit in with the rest of those, in that he's not really a wingnut, per se. He's just a pompous fool. It's like if Harold Bloom took up blogging, only without the knowledge or intelligence of Harold Bloom.
On the other hand, that particular post is so bad that it frankly deserves to have its own category to compete in.
Posted by: Ray Radlein on November 4, 2007 at 11:31 AM | PERMALINK
As a pussified male who still takes as close a look at those breasts as possible, I am torn. How can I choose only one of these effusions of idiocy? I have a classic pussy-liberal solution: let's give them all the blue ribbon. They are all special and above average in their own unique ways and we should cherish them all equally
Posted by: JHM on November 4, 2007 at 11:32 AM | PERMALINK
A question from the illustrious B. Bunny:
"Was this trip really necessary?"
[Those much younger than myself will have NO idea how much irony lurks in that simple quote.]
Posted by: Poilu on November 4, 2007 at 11:33 AM | PERMALINK
Poilu--
I knew I shoulda taken that left toin in Albuqouique..."
Posted by: jprichva on November 4, 2007 at 11:51 AM | PERMALINK
Jeepers. It's really hard to throw any of these people off the bus. This kind of reading is an emetic corrective to any idea that Americans are, on the whole, just a better class of people than say, the Germans, circa 1937.
Kim Il Twa is just a prima facie case study. He could be very usefully exploited for a Psych into lecture.
But a tip, for real, consistent smug crapulosity it's hard to beat Keith Burgess-Jackson, who used to bill himself as the Anal Philosopher, which might provide the fodder for Lecture 2: Reverse Autism: Irony-Impairment and the Self-Blind. Yikes!
http://www.analphilosopher.com/
Posted by: Kalkaino on November 4, 2007 at 11:55 AM | PERMALINK
What, not more love for Den Beste?
I mean, he frets about wanting the war he so enthusiastically supported being OVER (like it was the night before Christmas, f' crissake), he blocks "liberal" sites from linking to his blog, AND he's got a frickin' STARDATE on the post.
I dunno, Crazy Pammy might be funnier, but I... I can't, I just can't.
Posted by: Pere Ubu on November 4, 2007 at 12:10 PM | PERMALINK
Well, obviously The Genius of George Bush was a classic from the day it was published. Never having the stomach (or the time to waste) to haunt these various sites, most of them were new to me.
I have to say, the meditation on What if France Invades Us seems to gather up all the neuroses of the right wing into one tidy little package.
Posted by: joanbeach4 on November 4, 2007 at 12:30 PM | PERMALINK
Well, as the author of what seems to be the most-cited anti-du Toit/"Pussification" post (note: not giving title or link, in order to avoid charges of fishing for hits), I hope I've got at least a little bit of credibility to speak to the "concern troll" issue.
Personally, I think Kevin's blog is the very best of its type. And I think this whole little 'worst post' project has been a hoot. And I think that all the posts in question are dreck. And I think that dreck deserves ridicule.
But, like some of the folks above, I do worry that we might do this general kind of thing too much. I'm not saying that there's some great wrong going on here, and I'm not trying to kill anybody's buzz. I'm just saying that expressing the thought in question doesn't make you crazy or conservative or a concern troll.
There ARE such things as concern trolls, but not everybody who asks "hey, aren't we fanning the flames of partisanship a little excessively here?" is one. A concern troll, I take it, is somebody who does that all the time, or does it insincerely as a sneaky way of defusing criticism...or who's just a tool about it. Or something.
But if you just use "concern troll" to dismiss everybody who raises questions about excessive partisanship, then you've taken a big step toward creating the very kind of hyper-partisan environment that these so-called "concern trolls" are warning you about.
So, though this is an enjoyable opportunity to revel in the worst of the worst from the other side, I don't see why it can't also provide an opportunity to recognize that the worst of the worst may not be all that the other side has to offer. It's just a reminder that it's easy to go overboard with the guilty pleasures...
O.k., bring on the ridicule...
Posted by: Winston Smith on November 4, 2007 at 12:37 PM | PERMALINK
"My Sharia"...That had to be one the hardest things I've had to watch in a long time...ooh it burns.
Posted by: sauce on November 4, 2007 at 12:41 PM | PERMALINK
I should point out that of the email responses from women that I've received about this rant, the positives outweigh the negatives by about 300 to 1.
And you received nothing but praise for it from your wife, Morgan Fairchild.
Posted by: ahem on November 4, 2007 at 12:46 PM | PERMALINK
Malkin's 'Still Standing' post deserves a mention, if maybe not the top spot. That's the one where she goes to Iraq and films a mosque with a giant RPG hole in its roof, then declares the AP report on it being 'destroyed' to be a big pack of MSM lies, 'cos, see! It's 'still standing'! And now it's even got a skylight!
Posted by: D. Aristophanes on November 4, 2007 at 12:46 PM | PERMALINK
Hi Winston Smith
I have to say, what's wrong with laughing at the enemy? And what's wrong with recognizing that the enemy is the enemy? Kim du Toit and the rest aren't trying to launch a debate. When they write it's for the purpose of throwing garbage at out heads. Sometimes we throw the garbage back.
One great thing about this contest is that it introduced me to "Tribes." Man, that's a hoot.
Posted by: Kyle on November 4, 2007 at 12:51 PM | PERMALINK
>I have to say, what's wrong with laughing at the enemy?
I dont think the problem is the laughter.
I think the problem is that you actually consider your fellow-countrymen to be your enemy, when there are real and dangerous enemies that are to kill all of us.
Posted by: Vince P on November 4, 2007 at 1:00 PM | PERMALINK
Does Martin Peretz count as a wingnut? I would think that a wingnut couldn't love Al Gore. On the other hand, who but a wingnut could accuse Desmond Tutu of threatening the Jews?
I threatened the Jews once. I kept Martin Peretz from cutting ahead of me at the 7-11. Not only that, but I did it with my "characteristic sneer."
Of course the Peretz post about Tutu isn't a manifesto (as Kevin requested for entries), just a brief crystallization of paranoia and ill will.
Posted by: Kyle on November 4, 2007 at 1:05 PM | PERMALINK
The problem, Winston, is that you have said everything that a concern troll says, in precisely the same language, and with precisely the same followup "I'm sincere, how dare you doubt me" defense, not to mention your brilliantly executed form of prior restraint "have at me now" cherry on the top. Your sputtering of "but, but, but, you mean people are lockstep thinkers stiffling a good discussion" is classic trollism. An accident? The world collapses if Kevin's pages don't adhere to your faux standards?
Either you have a fatal lack of self-awareness or you are a concern troll. Neither possibility is all that attractive.
Posted by: Nash on November 4, 2007 at 1:09 PM | PERMALINK
"Tribes" is not getting enough love/hate in this poll.
Most of these posts are just people overtly saying things that they more subtly say every day. Only Bill Whittle actually goes the distance and uses a laundry list of racist cliches recast in a new language of "tribes", uses the same principles of limited executive power that Republicans claim destroy American security to defend Bush's response to Katrina, claims that he would have prevented September 11th if he was on one of the planes, and on and on. It's non-stop crazy with fantasies of personal and "tribal" aggrandizement mixed in.
Give it a chance, please.
Posted by: Tom on November 4, 2007 at 1:10 PM | PERMALINK
I can't believe I just wasted part of my Sunday morning reading all this claptrap.
Posted by: Crackpotpress on November 4, 2007 at 1:11 PM | PERMALINK
Hey, Vince P.
You must get your melodrama under control. But at least you left out "in a time of war."
Posted by: Kyle on November 4, 2007 at 1:12 PM | PERMALINK
Mr. du Toit: It isn't a silly exercise of Drum to have such a contest, even if some commenters make fun of your name, etc. I have seen similar or worse put-downs on the rightist blogs (the centrist ones are, of course, the most polite.)
Vince P: Can you tell that to the rightist bloggers (and politicians), who are manifestly more obsessed with declaring other Americans to enemies than anyone like Kevin Drum or even Atrios?
Posted by: Neil B. on November 4, 2007 at 1:13 PM | PERMALINK
ah, i didn't think the Ben Domenech piece was that bad, just wrong....
it did have a link to this post, tho...
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By Jim Brady | March 24, 2006; 01:17 PM ET
Posted by: dj spellchecka on November 4, 2007 at 1:16 PM | PERMALINK
I have to go with Blogfacism. The reason being is just the plain whiniest.
Posted by: Crackpotpress on November 4, 2007 at 1:17 PM | PERMALINK
Yeah, "Tribes"! Overwrought grandiosity, plus sheepdogs.
I never heard of this Whittle guy before, but the first few paragraphs sold me. The rest changed my notions of the written word and its, uh, potentialities. What an outpouring! What slopping passion! I must get something to wipe my shoes. But it was worth it to learn I am a, a ... oh wait ... a Pink Sheepdog? Something like that.
Posted by: Kyle on November 4, 2007 at 1:23 PM | PERMALINK
Wow. Just wow. Some of those posts were absolutely wrong in hindsight...but what is Tribes doing there? More generally, this seems like an excuse to p*** on all the right-wing posts you can think of, which is a pretty pointless exercise in partisanship. Why not at least do an equivalent one with all the worst left-wing posts you can think of?
Posted by: Math_Mage on November 4, 2007 at 2:02 AM | PERMALINK
See this..
Or, if you like, we can go to the Poor Man:
...
Posted by: Matt Weiner on November 4, 2007 at 10:24 AM | PERMALINK
If you don't see the breathtaking, self serving, stupidity (indeed the rank wankery) in dividing the world up, first into grey and pink tribes, then into "sheepdogs," "sheep," and "wolves," calling your self a "grey sheepdog," and the people in New Orleans, and on the planes on 9/11 "pink sheep," and in general spending some 11,000 words heralding what a very brave, manly, courageous person you are, all in the wake of one of the greatest catastrophes in American history, then that's your problem.
Posted by: Bas-O-Matic on November 4, 2007 at 1:33 PM | PERMALINK
Like, where do you even begin? I voted for Reynolds on the theory that he, unlike Kim du Toit, Pamela Geller and, to a lesser extent, Ann Althouse, is sane.
Posted by: Joe Strummer on November 4, 2007 at 2:00 PM | PERMALINK
I'm sorry I tried, I really did. I was only able to get through a couple of them before I couldn't take any more.
After so long of reading these (I had in the past read a few of them), my tolerance is not what it used to be.
For those who were able to read them all, I salute your resistance.
You deserve to pick the winner, I recuse myself from voting.
All I had read and the 3 I read today are very worhty contenders.
Posted by: Kahn on November 4, 2007 at 2:06 PM | PERMALINK
Kim du Toit may be a complete prick, but his surname is pronounced "Du Toy" not "Du Twat". It's a Huguenot name that evolved in South Africa from "Du Twa" to "Du Toy" as the Huguenots became Afrikaners. Also, "Kim" is not a very uncommon name for men in South Africa. Whatever hang-ups about sexuality Du Toit may have, I doubt very much they have anything to do with his name.
Posted by: SCM on November 4, 2007 at 2:07 PM | PERMALINK
Assrocket is approaching to genius.
Whatever happened to him anyway? Is checking the kerning on the U.S. Constitution?
Posted by: HeavyJ on November 4, 2007 at 2:18 PM | PERMALINK
Den Beste is certainly the nuttiest, but almost lovably. The rest are psycopaths.
I vote for Assrocket. Just when the idiocy of his post might seem to flag, he concocts the most supremely unrelated wingnut baloney you could want: "I doubt that the pact will make any difference to the earth's climate, which will be determined, as always, by variations in the energy emitted by the sun". Ah, the master at work.
Posted by: Gary Sugar on November 4, 2007 at 2:18 PM | PERMALINK
Um, where is Charles Johnson's leaping lizard drivel?
Posted by: getalife on November 4, 2007 at 2:27 PM | PERMALINK
Anyway there's nothing wrong with the name "Kim." I knew a Kim once and he ran a bait-and-tackle shop when he wasn't yanking kerchiefs off the heads of little Muslim girls on their way to school. Or writing posts about how he would have parachuted into North Korea to kill Kim Jong-il if it weren't for his nosebleeds. Or setting up his little action figurines so they could watch anime videos as a group. He was a great guy with an endearing high-pitched voice and lively views on the feminization of cereal box graphics. When he leaned forward his stomach touched his toes for him. I miss Kim, but he was up for a job with the USIA and no one's heard a thing from him since.
Posted by: Kyle on November 4, 2007 at 2:32 PM | PERMALINK
So many assholes...so little time.
Posted by: Zak44 on November 4, 2007 at 2:56 PM | PERMALINK
Kim of the Roof(the translation of his name: du toit)is too couch-potato fat to be French. It doesn't surprise me that he might have South African apartheid roots.
He looks the part.
Posted by: bernarda on November 4, 2007 at 2:59 PM | PERMALINK
Went with:
Ann Althouse: this likely will remain topical at least through 2012, possibly longer.
Steven Den Beste: perfectly sums up a lot of hawkwingnut attitude prior to the war.
John Derbyshire: staggering at the time, continues to be so even at length from the event. A classic example of how wingnuts see the world through Manly Men glasses, even when they themselves aren't.
Kim du Toit: An instant classic, perhaps moreso than anything else on the list.
Lee Siegel: How can one *not* vote for this?
Near misses:
Ben Domenech: the meltdown was great. The post itself doesn't have much staying power, and sadly has more truth in it than some of us want to ponder. He's off on the notion that the views of the left have "failed" since the 90s. It's really all the views of the right that have failed badly. But there is a lot of truth in the fact that many of the Dems that have won office swiming against the tide the Republican base have done so by being Red Dogs. We look around too many Dems that frustrate the hell out of us a lot more than Crybaby Bohnner. Out here in California, DiFi talks tough and then rolls over to give the Admin what it wants, along with the Telcoms and far too many other folks who've been lining her pockets. So while the flameout was wonderful, there are some painful elements of the post.
Jonah Goldberg: I'd love to vote for Loadpants, but this isn't his most intellectually dishonest moment... or even close to it. It is a nice moment of wingnutty behavior, but it's too easy.
Robert Hahn & John Hinderaker: There remain entertaining posts.
Don't Rate:
Hugh Hewitt & Glenn Reynolds: they've said so many nutty things, that while these are prime examples of their nuttiness, they don't get me all that worked up. Hewitt and Reynolds are more of a cumilative effect - one post never sums up their full insanity.
Pam Geller: Weak selection. It's embarassing, but in 5 years no one will pay any attention to it.
Michelle Malkin: Strikes me as a lazy selection. I would have preferred something that she wrote that was a total trainwreck of facts and logic than the cheerleader video. Malkin looks like a fool, but she is one all the time. This simply isn't biting.
Bill Whittle: This is almost a throwaway. I've got to think there are better candidates out there.
John
Posted by: jdw on November 4, 2007 at 3:06 PM | PERMALINK
My Sharia - for being the most absolutely disingenious bare-naked prejudice, couched in the most effective type of graphic media. People who like this also like to watch maggots devouring a dead rat. Yum!
"President Bush understands money.." OMG! WTF? There really are aliens among us not from this planet!
Glenn Reynolds...how's that CROW tasting now, buddy? HAHAHAHA.
"Tribes" - PUH-LEEZE don't tell me this guy is a product of our best Ivy League schools...'cause if he is, we're in BAD shape! His tribe is fat, prone to heart attacks, their major workout is tracking their investments, and they have WAY TOO MUCH time on their hands.
He is right on one point: race is often used to explain CULTURAL differences. There's a huge difference in ascribing behavior to skin color pigmentation (which of course, cannot possibly affect behavior) or to cultural conditioning (which of course defines behavior for many people).
That was actually a deep insight coming from a racist. But, he's still a racist, probably due to his own cultural conditioning.
Posted by: getyeryayasout on November 4, 2007 at 3:07 PM | PERMALINK
I would like to see the Liberal version of this, really. Every post on the list was from a major conservative blogger. I'd read posts from every person on the list prior to this vote being called, and while these are crazy bad, their day to day output is funny too.
Imagine the worst, most crazy posts from Matt Y., Kevin, Paul Krugman ect. They are nowhere near as mind-bendingly bad as the posts on this list.
Posted by: mickslam on November 4, 2007 at 3:32 PM | PERMALINK
What about the most controversial comments? I had fifteen nano seconds of infamy for my Michelle Malkin comment.
Posted by: Hostile on November 4, 2007 at 3:45 PM | PERMALINK
Derbyshire isn't a wingnut as much as he's an ass.
Posted by: Batocchio on November 4, 2007 at 3:50 PM | PERMALINK
I vote for you.
Posted by: grams on November 4, 2007 at 3:56 PM | PERMALINK
Did Steve den Beste take down that post, erase it from the site's archives? I can't read it - I get a 404 from his site, when I search it through his archive search, I get sent to the same 404 page.
Did he dismantle an entry in his archives just to annoy people coming from here?
If so - he really deserves a mention in the annals of greater wingnuttery for doing just that; not letting other people read his writings.
The wanker even has blocked Archive.org from his site: I'm proud of what I wrote, but I won't let you read it ... !!!
Yeah right. He'll get my vote in these grounds alone.
Posted by: Ole on November 4, 2007 at 4:32 PM | PERMALINK
Is there anyone copying interesting posts and comments etc., that might not be on archive.org? I suppose someone/s would think to do that.
Posted by: Neil B. on November 4, 2007 at 4:49 PM | PERMALINK
"Did Steve den Beste take down that post, erase it from the site's archives? I can't read it - I get a 404 from his site, when I search it through his archive search, I get sent to the same 404 page."
Same here. Now I'm curious as to just how bad that post is.
Posted by: Paul on November 4, 2007 at 4:50 PM | PERMALINK
Why not at least do an equivalent one with all the worst left-wing posts you can think of?
What would the point of that exercise be, exactly?
God, I hate the motherfucking Civility Brigade.
Posted by: Fishbone McGonigle on November 4, 2007 at 5:05 PM | PERMALINK
Kevin views politics as tribalism rather than a serious discussion... so, of course, his 'side' couldn't have a bad blog post.
Hilarious, considering that it was someone from your "tribe" who once said that the eleventh commandment was "Thou shalt not speak ill of a fellow Republican."
How is that not tribalism, again?
Posted by: Fishbone McGonigle on November 4, 2007 at 5:08 PM | PERMALINK
I says:
Pam Implant Shrugs
Bennie Boy
Jonah Pantload Doughy Division
Hyoooo Hyooouu-it
And of course, Kimberly Dew Toy. Much like the famous Carlin skit about the name you are given(Wayne Pierre for gawds sake), imagine being tagged a girl's name in middle school. Lots of teasing going on there that builds up over time. Rush, Newt, to boot.
Posted by: adj on November 4, 2007 at 5:42 PM | PERMALINK
Den Beste seems to have scrubbed the post from his site, so I guess that should earn him some kind of award.
Posted by: Steve J. on November 4, 2007 at 6:01 PM | PERMALINK
DuhTwat's post got my top vote for two reasons: 1) lots of 'scientific facts' but no references; 2) it was the most obvious example of making stuff up to prove a point I think I've ever seen.
And who can resist the frustrated, bitter, inadequate Asshouse? She was my second pick.
All in all, a good lineup.
Thanks!
Posted by: Caveat on November 4, 2007 at 6:10 PM | PERMALINK
This may seem hard to believe, but it appears Pammy *wants* her devoted tens of readers to vote for her here.
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/
Posted by: marsden on November 4, 2007 at 6:13 PM | PERMALINK
imagine being tagged a girl's name in middle school. Lots of teasing going on there that builds up over time.
yeah, might explain the guy's overpowering impulse to constantly prove his manhood.
I'm telling ya, I've known a few men in my lifetime (my ex-father is one of them) who were waaaaaaay too concerned about what constitutes 'manly' or 'masculine' behavior. Paging Dr. Freud...
Posted by: r€nato on November 4, 2007 at 6:25 PM | PERMALINK
I'm not quite sure how Debbie Schlussel managed to avoid being on that list.
Posted by: ChenZhen on November 4, 2007 at 6:28 PM | PERMALINK
"Ex-father", Renato? There must be a story there.
Posted by: Boronx on November 4, 2007 at 6:46 PM | PERMALINK