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November 11, 2007
By: Kevin Drum

COLLAPSE....I don't watch much pro football, but today I tuned into the end of the Redskins-Eagles game to give me something to do while I ate lunch. Sheesh. What an epic collapse. Suddenly I understand why the Skins drive Jim Henley into such despair.

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one man's collapse is another man's great comeback. the eagles still suck, but it's always nice to get a win over the stupid redskins. E-A-G- ... oh, forget it.

Posted by: sc on November 11, 2007 at 4:20 PM | PERMALINK

Go iggles.

Posted by: Tom Nicholson on November 11, 2007 at 4:32 PM | PERMALINK

That's three games they've lost after leading late in the game this year. Accounts for all their losses other than getting destroyed by the Pats.

Goddamn chokers.

Posted by: Will on November 11, 2007 at 4:42 PM | PERMALINK

Pampered juveniles that can`t even perform at the minimum level of their paygrade.

"Envy is thin because it bites but never eats." - Spanish proverb

Posted by: daCascadian on November 11, 2007 at 4:59 PM | PERMALINK

Go iggles!

Posted by: Rob S. on November 11, 2007 at 5:09 PM | PERMALINK

Hmm, well the Redskins' collapse today was kinda epicish. Sorta.

However, last night in a National Hockey League game against the Los Angeles Kings, the Dallas Stars gave up five goals in just 5:07 in a match they were winning 4-0 with 7:00 or so to play.

As a Los Angeles Kings fan, I agree wholeheartedly with sc's observation about epic comebacks. Suck it Marty Turco!

Posted by: Model 62 on November 11, 2007 at 5:23 PM | PERMALINK

So I go out today to watch the Skins play. Drink a pitcher of beer, see them blow it again, come home tired and decide to forget it and check out a few political blogs.

And this is what I get.

Posted by: b. on November 11, 2007 at 5:29 PM | PERMALINK

Looked better from Philly. But the Iggles still aren't going anywhere this season.

Posted by: Zak44 on November 11, 2007 at 5:36 PM | PERMALINK

the Skins drive Jim Henley into such despair.

And Joe Gibbs back to NASCAR.

P.S. Poor little Cal cubs. Better luck next year.

Posted by: Goof Beyou on November 11, 2007 at 5:48 PM | PERMALINK

Hey, the game sucked all around, but it was nice to see one of the Iggles' opponents suck more than they did for a change.


Posted by: zorro on November 11, 2007 at 6:28 PM | PERMALINK

Growing up in DC, we learned that consistently rooting against the local team led to more happiness. Apparently that's true again.

Posted by: Jade on November 11, 2007 at 7:52 PM | PERMALINK

Sadly, the Giants looked as bad as the Skins...

Posted by: Alex B on November 11, 2007 at 8:27 PM | PERMALINK

Redskins and Iggles fans, it can be worse. The Lions reached a level of suckitude today far deeper than either of your teams have displayed, both of whom (as you know) have beaten the Detroiters like a red-headed stepchild this year already.

And rest assured, Giants fans, you'll soon have your way with William Clay Ford's and Matt Millen's boys, too. That's the natural order of the universe.

Posted by: bluestatedon on November 11, 2007 at 9:13 PM | PERMALINK

My interest in the NFL really began to wane when the Los Angeles Rams moved to St. Louis at the end of the '94 season. I've watched exactly one game so far this season, which was Patriots-Colts last week -- for the obvious reason, since both were undefeated (can't argue with perfection).

I'm much more of a college football fan, anyway, and certainly this year's college season has been as exciting as the NFL's has been perfunctory. I've got my tickets (40 yd. line) to the Hawaii-Boise State game in two weeks. That should be quite a shootout.

Posted by: Donald from Hawaii on November 11, 2007 at 9:22 PM | PERMALINK

The funny thing was that for some ungodly reason, the Atlanta Hawks decided to play a Sunday afternoon game (even though the Falcons had a 1 p.m. game, albeit on the road), and their opponent was the Washington Wizards, who finally -- finally -- won a game, 101-90, although hardly anyone in D.C. noticed. (Kevin, your Wiz fan at least will no doubt be happy.)

As for me, I'm happy because my Maryland women's basketball team showed signs it might be back to elite status today with a 76-66 win over Oklahoma (and Courtney Paris) that was nowhere as close as the score indicates.

Posted by: Vincent on November 11, 2007 at 9:53 PM | PERMALINK

As a American Indian living in the DC metropolitan area, I only refer to them as the local professional football team. I believe they will never win until they stop denigrating a race of people. However, I am a long time football fan whose favorite coach was Tom Landry. Ol' Tom did seem to lose some of his genius with age; and, it appears that has happened to Joe Gibbs. All of Gibbs' championship teams had really good defenses. So far, none of his recent teams have had any decent defenses.

Ever notice how San Diego gets the local pro football team's rejected coaches? Maybe Joe is headed for San Diego soon. (P.S. I am aware that San Diego is playing well against the colts; but, it isn't something they can sustain under Norv Turner, a truly terrible head coach.)

Posted by: Mazurka on November 11, 2007 at 10:29 PM | PERMALINK

Nice to see the Eagles kept their season alive today. I watched the awful Bears eek out a victory over the even worse Raiders. For both Philly and Chicago it looks like they're only postponing the inevitable though maybe Donovan can miraculously regain his form.

Nothing though can erase the Fightin Illini's mastery of Ohio State in Columbus yesterday. Next year they'll have a great shot at ending the Buckeye's and Wolverine's stranglehold on the Big Ten title.

Posted by: markg8 on November 11, 2007 at 11:08 PM | PERMALINK

I gave up on football long ago. Over weight, over testosteroned, steroid infested thugs bashing their brains in. Soccer is the answer.

Posted by: William Jensen on November 11, 2007 at 11:15 PM | PERMALINK

Oh, for God's sake!!! You want a sports rant, I'll give you a sports rant.

Try being a Raiders or a 49ers fan!!! Actually, try being a Bay Area sports fan. I can't remember a worse year for Bay Area sports teams (Raiders, Niners, Giants, A's, Warriors, and Cal - at least the Sharks are doing well). And to think, the team from Washington D.C. has more wins than both the Raiders, Niners, and the Golden State Warriors combined... At least Washington can score a touchdown.

What is worse is that America's favorite university, the University of California Golden Bears lost to the University of Spoiled Children yesterday (Hey, if the Dallas Cowboy's can be called "America's Team," I can name Cal "America's Team too).

Anyway, I really don't get the Redskins. Apparently they are one of the most wealthy and popular teams in the NFL. Yet, I have never once seen or met a Redskins fan. They are like the Jacksonville Jaguars or the Houston Texans - you just never see any fans. I mean, in Northern California, you see fans of all different teams, but you never see Redskins fans, decals, clothes, etc. Weird. And yes, whomever wants to call me an elitist from the "left coast" who doesn't know anything about "real America" can do so now.

Mazurka, I totally and completely agree with you regarding the name of the Washington D.C. football club (I am sure that we also agree about the Cleveland Indians' cap design). I think that it is racist and offensive. But what is worse is that there is nothing that anyone can really do about it. I mean, you can keep the racist and offensive name. Or, you can change the name, and then all these "fans" will get even more upset, blame "political correctness gone amok," and all that. Of course I am for changing the name.

What is even weirder is that I actually watched the Redskins-Eagles game, and then they switched the game to the heartpounding Raiders-Bears match. I mean, I love a defensive battle, but man, what a snoozer.

Posted by: Fighting Words on November 12, 2007 at 12:06 AM | PERMALINK

Oh, sorry about the rant above, I just needed to let off some steam.

Anyway, all this talk of Football got me thinking. Since this is a left leaning political website, does anyone know of any current football players who are progressive? I know that Doug Flutie and Jim Kelly are Democrats. But is there anyone else?

Posted by: Fighting Words on November 12, 2007 at 12:15 AM | PERMALINK

The 'Skins need to be 30 points ahead going into the fourth quarter to be safe.

Posted by: pj in jesusland on November 12, 2007 at 6:53 AM | PERMALINK

Hate to burst your bubble, Fighting Words, but the Sharks aren't doing well.

Posted by: Model 62 on November 12, 2007 at 9:39 AM | PERMALINK

That 'heavier objects don't fall faster than lighter ones' is ONLY true in a vacuum! A very important omission. Try dropping a baseball and a feather simultaneously.

Posted by: Don Quixote on November 12, 2007 at 9:46 AM | PERMALINK

Model 62,

You're right. In my earlier post, well is a relative term. The Sharks aren't doing "well" compared to the Red Wings or Senators (or, for that matter, against several other NHL teams). But compared to the other Bay Area teams, they are doing fantastic, even though they only have only 18 points (having only won around half their games). Besides, the Sharks will at least get to the playoffs where they can choke.

Posted by: Fighting Words on November 12, 2007 at 10:48 AM | PERMALINK

"Try dropping a baseball and a feather simultaneously"

Well for one thing, Marvelous Marv Throneberry of the old Mets could not have caught either one.

The Chiefs of KC, named for a local truck line which was named for Native Americans, are worse than the 'Skins. Of course Al Saunders the former offensive coordinator of the Chiefs is now the so-called sameo with the 'Skins. Both teams need to toss their names, owners, general and field management in the gutter and start over.

And thanks to whomever for the rise of the Kansas Jayhawks - Geez, living in Portland, surrounded by Quackers and reading about my beloved Jayhawks - And USC is where?

Posted by: bert on November 12, 2007 at 11:13 AM | PERMALINK

PPFFT Trying being a Viking fan.I hope all the players from the vikes donate there paychecks to charity,Because they don't deserve to be paid.

Posted by: john john on November 12, 2007 at 12:57 PM | PERMALINK

I come here to forget about this brutal loss...only to have it rubbed in my face. How dare you sir.

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