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November 12, 2007
By: Kevin Drum

QUOTE OF THE DAY....From Admiral William Fallon, head of Central Command, on the challenge of trying to deal effectively with Iran:

None of this is helped by the continuing stories that just keep going around and around and around that any day now there will be another war which is just not where we want to go.

Getting Iranian behaviour to change and finding ways to get them to come to their senses and do that is the real objective. Attacking them as a means to get to that spot strikes me as being not the first choice in my book.

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Somebody send this latter day "McClellan" a copy of Ken Burns' Civil War.

Posted by: Boronx on November 12, 2007 at 2:11 AM | PERMALINK

methinks it's more urgent to bring Bush to his senses, not Iran.

Posted by: billy on November 12, 2007 at 2:11 AM | PERMALINK

Attacking them as a means to get to that spot strikes me as being not the first choice in my book.

Christ, there's the problem! The Admiral's working from an obsolete book!

Could somebody in Cheney's office get the Admiral the right book?

Posted by: Michael Scott on November 12, 2007 at 2:44 AM | PERMALINK

In a crazy way I wish Bush attacks Iran so we can have a nuke war there. Let's destroy everything so Americans will hopefully wake up.

Posted by: bob on November 12, 2007 at 3:28 AM | PERMALINK

This fly- by- the -seat- of -their -pants war-mongering administration...just today, there's the ineffective Condi, at Crawford--on my teevee, beside this oh-so wrinkled American flag, like something they grabbed and put up, like it might look official, at this so-called western whitehouse, just ridiculous looking, all baggy and wrinkled at the bottom,this flag, and there's this fly landing on her head, on her shoulder, buzzing around her throughout her interview...and I am thinking, let's support democrats, the lesser of the evils, let's get through this one last evil year of this misguided administration....

Posted by: consider wisely always on November 12, 2007 at 3:28 AM | PERMALINK

In a crazy way I wish Bush attacks Iran so we can have a nuke war there. Let's destroy everything so Americans will hopefully wake up.

Hmm... if it's for your benefit then I'd rather you conduct a nuclear civil war thank you very much. Then you don't need to worry about your waking up neither!

Posted by: snicker-snack on November 12, 2007 at 3:42 AM | PERMALINK

"Destroy everything?" Bob--get a grip. You must have a kind of conduct disorder, unspecified onset.
Kind of sad, really, that this is your comment. Go back to sleep.

Posted by: consider wisely always on November 12, 2007 at 3:50 AM | PERMALINK

Yeah, but...Fallon's not The Decider.

And Bob's a jackass. Let's all nuke him.

Posted by: Helena Montana on November 12, 2007 at 3:57 AM | PERMALINK

Phony sailor.

Posted by: Kenji on November 12, 2007 at 5:15 AM | PERMALINK

Most of these stories of course come from the likes of Seymour Hersh and are enthusiastically peddled by members of the "reality"-based community.

But it seems that Kevin (and some dullard at TPM, at least) are too stupid to realize that they are being talked about.

Posted by: am on November 12, 2007 at 5:20 AM | PERMALINK

Yeah, well, what would a fuckin' admiral know about military stuff that happens on land, anyway? Talk about your fish out of water! Keep it up, and he'll go the way of that crazy Japanese general Clinton put in charge of the army, who said we needed hundreds of thousands of troops to invade Iraq. We showed him, and then showed him the door.

Posted by: R. Cheney, Keeper of the Realm on November 12, 2007 at 7:17 AM | PERMALINK

Unlike Lieberman, et. al., Fallon is going to have to deal with the blowback from any such attack. Will our supercarriers really take a hit from Iran's Silkworms? He'd prefer not to find out.

Posted by: bob h on November 12, 2007 at 7:25 AM | PERMALINK

"...Fallon is going to have to deal with the blowback.... Will our supercarriers really take a hit from Iran's Silkworms? ........."
Posted by: bob h on November 12, 2007 at 7:25 AM
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Unfortunately should a U.S. carrier sink after an Iranian attack the Bushcheney monster would probably start unlocking launch codes.

Posted by: steve duncan on November 12, 2007 at 7:57 AM | PERMALINK

How wonderful...is it Fallon's BOOK that we go by for these things? I think NOT!!!

Posted by: Dancer on November 12, 2007 at 8:08 AM | PERMALINK

Apparantly the Admiral is very out of step with our current administration.

Posted by: e. nonee moose on November 12, 2007 at 8:16 AM | PERMALINK
Apparantly the Admiral is very out of step with our current administration.

You say that like it's a bad thing ...

Posted by: kenga on November 12, 2007 at 8:48 AM | PERMALINK

Now if only I could get up the courage to tell my boss that his efforts are not productive and not helping.

Posted by: B on November 12, 2007 at 8:56 AM | PERMALINK

Never believe an Admiral appointed by W. Bush. What Admiral Fallon really means is it is that the continuing stories that just keep going around and around prevent a proper sneak attack, catching the victim off guard.

Posted by: Brojo on November 12, 2007 at 9:30 AM | PERMALINK

"In a crazy way I wish Bush attacks Iran so we can have a nuke war there. Let's destroy everything so Americans will hopefully wake up."

Funny, I've been hoping we attack Iran so that my Mr. Humungous outfit can get some use.

Posted by: DBake on November 12, 2007 at 10:18 AM | PERMALINK

Most of these stories of course come from the likes of Seymour Hersh and are enthusiastically peddled by members of the "reality"-based community.

is this the best response the wingnuts have anymore?
The head of Centcom is a tool of the "liberal media"?

Sad

Posted by: haha on November 12, 2007 at 10:24 AM | PERMALINK

Here's mine:

"It all comes back to cash. Environmental, health care and war policies divide moneyed interests. But nothing unites them like trade pacts crafted to drive wages and public interest laws into the ground. Every corporate campaign donor rallies around that, especially when politicians and the media morph the trade debate into a caricatured contest between anachronistic protectionism and enlightened internationalism, rather than what it really is: a choice between pragmatic reform and selling out." - David Sirota

Under 'selling out' please see: Hillary Rodham Clinton.

Posted by: MsNThrope on November 12, 2007 at 10:36 AM | PERMALINK

Fallon speaks and the price of a barrel of oil drops $2.

Posted by: tin foil on November 12, 2007 at 10:41 AM | PERMALINK

snicker-snack: I'd rather you conduct a nuclear civil war thank you very much.

You never heard of a southerly wind? Be careful what you wish for up there.

Posted by: thersites on November 12, 2007 at 11:08 AM | PERMALINK

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Posted by: mhr on November 12, 2007 at 11:16 AM | PERMALINK

Attacking them as a means to get to that spot strikes me as being not the first choice in my book.

It's not anyone's first choice. If attack had been Bush's first choice, we would already have attacked. In fact, sanctions were Bush's first choice. Unfortunately, we have been unsuccessful at getting international agreement on effective sanctions. Germany, Russia, and China don't want to end their trade with Iran.

To me, the more interesting point is why this Admiral made a public statement. Is he supposed to make public this sort of info?

IMHO our best hope of preventing Iran from getting nukes without bloodshed is if Iran believes an attack is imminent. Admiral Fallon's public comment reduces Iran's worry, thus making war a bit more likely.

Posted by: ex-liberal on November 12, 2007 at 11:25 AM | PERMALINK

IMHO our best hope of preventing Iran from getting nukes without bloodshed is if Iran believes an attack is imminent.

Well ex-lib, since you and your ilk have been wrong every single time and you still shamelessly back the boy king and his myriad of foreign policy disasters - perhaps your "HO" isn't worth a bucket of piss.

Posted by: ckelly on November 12, 2007 at 11:34 AM | PERMALINK

Why can't we put dear leader and all his cohorts,And all these nuke wannabes on a remote island give each a pair of dark sunglasses and give them all what they want.BOOM.

Posted by: john john on November 12, 2007 at 12:39 PM | PERMALINK

ckelly beat me to it.

Posted by: Gregory on November 12, 2007 at 1:24 PM | PERMALINK
….If attack had been Bush's first choice, we would already have attacked….ex-lax at 11:25 AM
Just as with the preparations for Bush's attack on Iraq, there are certain niceties that he customarily undertakes to prove that all other options failed. That is why he did not permit the crucial second vote at the UN to authorize the war despite his earlier talk and would not let the weapons inspection team finish their work. Posted by: Mike on November 12, 2007 at 2:15 PM | PERMALINK


Getting Iranian behaviour to change and finding ways to get them to come to their senses and do that is the real objective. Attacking them as a means to get to that spot strikes me as being not the first choice in my book.

I guess Adm. Fallon's not a loyal Bushie. I bet the Decider axes him for that.

-Z

Posted by: Zorro on November 12, 2007 at 5:24 PM | PERMALINK

Why does the Silver Fox hate America? He'll never make CNO at this rate.

Posted by: Sean Peters on November 12, 2007 at 10:04 PM | PERMALINK

A lot of people freaked out when they put a Navy guy in charge of Central Command, figuring that that was a sign of a coming attack.
The time to worry is when they put an Air Force guy in command- then you've got trouble. Just ask Israel.

Posted by: MikeN on November 12, 2007 at 11:41 PM | PERMALINK




 

 

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