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November 21, 2007
By: Kevin Drum

LECONDEL....Ilan Goldenberg explains today that the prefix "le" in Hebrew means "to." So the word lecondel translates as to Condoleezza. And what do Israelis mean by this?

The long buildup to Annapolis, together with Ms. Rice's many trips to the region, have given birth to a new verb in Israeli government circles: "lecondel," meaning, to come and go for meetings that produce few results.

This is actually a very useful new verb. I recommend that we adopt it in the U.S. as well.

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I must agree with Kevin that this meeting has been a total SNAFU. It's an embarassment for Rice and our State Dept.

Actually, I'm relieved. A more serious meeting could do more harm. There never was a realistic chance of progress, because the government of the Palestinians is so unsettled that there's no potential peace partner for Israel to negotiate with.

Posted by: ex-liberal on November 21, 2007 at 2:25 PM | PERMALINK

"Condi, this is Dubya. Time's a-wasting, I need you to get me a legacy.

How 'bout you go over and knock some sense into those Israelis and A-rabs so we can get a deal done? My daddy couldn't do that, and neither could Slick Willie, and I'd really like to shove it in their faces, heh heh heh."

Posted by: Joe Buck on November 21, 2007 at 2:31 PM | PERMALINK

There never was a realistic chance of progress, because the government of the Palestinians is so unsettled that there's no potential peace partner for Israel to negotiate with.

Good point ex-liberal. How can one make peace with a Palestinian government when none exists? It makes no sense, and only liberals could think of such a ridiculous idea.

Posted by: Al on November 21, 2007 at 2:34 PM | PERMALINK

Lecondel, schmecondel.

What about LeInkblot? Is he gonna run for prez or not?
It's boring at work today, most everyone's gone, and I am feeling like a martyr.

How about a picture of our hero for today, dressed up as a turkey or a pilgrim, Kevin's choice.

Posted by: optical weenie on November 21, 2007 at 2:35 PM | PERMALINK

Dissing Condoleeza is like kicking a three-legged dog.

Posted by: David in NY on November 21, 2007 at 2:42 PM | PERMALINK

Dissing Condoleeza is like kicking a three-legged dog.

Not exactly. The three-legged dog deserves compassion. Condoleeza helped enable a bloody, senseless war that will be the ruination of all of us.

Posted by: thersites on November 21, 2007 at 2:46 PM | PERMALINK

Echo in here?

That's just like Bush. Setting up a meeting that we don't even know anybody's gonna come to where there's no "realistic chance of success" and that "makes no sense." That's what happens when you've got Republicans trying to run a government -- no real progress on anything.

Posted by: David in NY on November 21, 2007 at 2:49 PM | PERMALINK

How about a picture of our hero for today, dressed up as a turkey or a pilgrim, Kevin's choice.

This would cost Inkblot the Native American vote!

Posted by: thersites on November 21, 2007 at 2:52 PM | PERMALINK

What bothers me is not so much the display of ineptitude shown by announcing a summit first, and trying to get commitments to attend later...

What bothers me is that its taken these idiot nearly SEVEN FREAKING YEARS to realize that, yeah, maybe it is in the national security interests of the country to reduce tensions in the region by working toward a settlement of the Israel/Palestine issue.

Posted by: p_lukasiak on November 21, 2007 at 2:58 PM | PERMALINK

There never was a realistic chance of progress, because the government of the [Iraqis] is so unsettled that there's no potential peace partner for [Shiite/Sunni/Kurd]to negotiate with.

Posted by: ckelly on November 21, 2007 at 3:05 PM | PERMALINK

I've always maintained that anytime your name becomes a verb, you're basically a problem.

Posted by: Voice of Reason on November 21, 2007 at 3:26 PM | PERMALINK

leal, as in le Al. to post many times without saying anything.

Posted by: mudwall jackson on November 21, 2007 at 3:38 PM | PERMALINK

I propose to Americanize it to "to Condoleze".
I condoleze, you condoleze, he condolezes.

Posted by: MR. Bill on November 21, 2007 at 3:46 PM | PERMALINK

And 'condolezence' is that period when you condoleze.

Posted by: MR. Bill on November 21, 2007 at 3:47 PM | PERMALINK

Note the rhetorical finesse of Fake Al.

The "only a liberal" snark about the Bush arranged event is internet Mandarin High Sarcasm.

Posted by: Jeffrey Davis on November 21, 2007 at 3:47 PM | PERMALINK

So, one of the parties to the summit is not only not taking it seriously but is actively and widely mocking it in official circles?

Doesn't look like Condi ever stood a chance.

Posted by: Disputo on November 21, 2007 at 3:58 PM | PERMALINK

Who is the condolezer?

Posted by: thersites on November 21, 2007 at 3:59 PM | PERMALINK

On a positive note, apparently you can bounce a quarter off Secretary Rice's ass like a rocket.

Posted by: croatoan on November 21, 2007 at 4:07 PM | PERMALINK

How about "lebush", meaning acting so as to accomplish *very much* of a bad sort?

Posted by: Neil B. on November 21, 2007 at 4:23 PM | PERMALINK

Inkblot does have the whole Obama thing going on. "Is he black enough to be Black?!"

Posted by: absent observer on November 21, 2007 at 5:10 PM | PERMALINK

How about a new completely new approach to negotiating with the Palestinians, Kevin?

How about something radical, like extreme generosity?

A number of people seem to think it is an approach that just might work.

Posted by: James on November 21, 2007 at 5:39 PM | PERMALINK

"Lecondate," or "lecondelate" better in our English. The entire Bush era has been one of lecondations...

Posted by: bierstadt on November 21, 2007 at 5:48 PM | PERMALINK

Hebrew Lesson! "L" not only means to or towards, but it is a prefix to indicate the infinitive form of a verb. All infinitives start with "L" in the same way that all infinitives in English begin with "to"

Posted by: Joe Davidson on November 21, 2007 at 6:27 PM | PERMALINK

The adjective form, I believe, is "condeslezy."

Posted by: Inaudible Nonsense on November 21, 2007 at 6:28 PM | PERMALINK

How about the verb "lebush" to mean "to destroy one's own country while destroying others' simultaneously"?

Or "lecheney," which has dozens of meanings, among them "to reward incompetence in the most wrong-headed and expensive ways imaginable."

Or "lebrown" which means "to lose a city."

Or "lerummy" which means "I wonder why Old Europe has a stronger currency than we do."

Or "lelibby" which means...

Stop me, please. I could do this all day.

Posted by: skimble on November 21, 2007 at 7:36 PM | PERMALINK

It makes no sense, and only liberals could think of such a ridiculous idea.
Posted by: Al

I really really hate to call idiots names, so I wont.

U.S. Demands Israel, Palestinians to Implement Tenet Plan
The Tenet plan, worked out by CIA director George Tenet on a Middle East trip in June, ... Sharon Willing to Discuss Peace Proposal With Saudis: Solana ...
english.peopledaily.com.cn/200203/09/eng20020309_91748.shtml

Posted by: Ya Know... on November 21, 2007 at 8:06 PM | PERMALINK

"lecondel," meaning, to come and go for meetings that produce few results.

In a working mans term: Circle Jerk

Posted by: Ya Know... on November 21, 2007 at 8:27 PM | PERMALINK

skimble, you're a breath of fresh air!

leComasturbation?

Posted by: elmo on November 21, 2007 at 9:28 PM | PERMALINK

THere has got to be a Condalezza Rice porn out there somewhere!

Posted by: Matt on November 21, 2007 at 9:58 PM | PERMALINK

Nobody could have predicted that rank incompetence would lead to ridicule.

Posted by: Noam Sane on November 21, 2007 at 10:04 PM | PERMALINK

As if any Democrat who gets nominated or elected is going to that radically change our stance toward Israel, with the exception of the unnominatable Kucinich.

Posted by: SocraticGadfly on November 21, 2007 at 10:18 PM | PERMALINK

This is actually a very useful new verb.

Like most eponymies, it's named after the wrong person. Clinton's secretaries of state had lots more useless meetings about Israel/Palestine, not to mention the many visits of Arafat to the White House.

It's a good word.

Posted by: MatthewRmarler on November 22, 2007 at 12:11 AM | PERMALINK

MRM: Like most eponymies, it's named after the wrong person.

Not according to Israeli government circles.

Posted by: Apollo 13 on November 22, 2007 at 2:37 AM | PERMALINK

A little more "Practical Hebrew" for y'all...

If the infinitive is "lecondel", then the act of doing useless meetings is then

Condelut (pronounced: Con-del-loot).

And being forced to cope with useless diplomatic missions is therefore to be

Mecundal (me-koon-dal)

Semetic languages are very cool this way.

Hopefully someone reading this can give us the Arabic equivalents.

Posted by: Rob From Santa Cruz on November 22, 2007 at 4:08 AM | PERMALINK

KD was running a few (22) hours behind NPR.

And "lebush" is already coined. Go to 20th Nov NPR archives, but, from memory (poor), is to be "disengaged from reality and believe you achieve something" or something similar.

Posted by: notthere on November 22, 2007 at 4:47 AM | PERMALINK

"I must agree with Kevin that this meeting has been a total SNAFU. It's an embarassment for Rice and our State Dept.

"Actually, I'm relieved. A more serious meeting could do more harm. There never was a realistic chance of progress, because the government of the Israelis is so unsettled that there's no potential peace partner for Palestinians to negotiate with."

That better for you, never-ever?

I'll only agree that this is the worst time in the last 7 years for preznit to even feign interest in the Middle East. He's done his best to screw up both sides of this negotiation for every previous day, it's hard to believe he's sincere about this.

I'm sure both sides can agree with that.

Well done Al:

"Good point ex-liberal. How can one make peace with a Palestinian government when none exists? It makes no sense, and only liberals could think of such a ridiculous idea."

Posted by: Al on November 21, 2007 at 2:34 PM | PERMALINK

Only your idiot of a preznit, actually. Who, I believe, is the very presentiment of Republican idiocracy.

Which both of you, Al and never-ever, so ably personify.

Christ. If you put all the Repugnut brains together, you wouldn't get the IQ of rat. Which is strange as individually they seem so related.

Posted by: notthere on November 22, 2007 at 5:01 AM | PERMALINK

The sleeping nation been "Kristolized" by these deluded neo-cons, these empowered yet inept
cronies of the white house cabal.
How pleased I was to see former beleagured press secretary Scott McClellan exposing the administration's full complicity in the egregious outing of CIA agent Valerie Wilson.
With his book is due in April, the topic of Bush and Cheney's huge betrayal, lies and misrepresentations should remain in media discussions.
Especially with Bush's pardon of Scooter Libby.

Wonder if McClellan's expose was part of the reason Rove took off. Old Karl spoke of Republican corruption as he departed.
To my delight, curmudgeony commentator Jack Cafferty of CNN today called for the president's impeachment.
Yet more of the sleepy republic have buyers' remorse with this ineffective, manipulative group subverting democracy at home while illegitmately pushing it abroad.

Posted by: consider wisely always on November 22, 2007 at 5:10 AM | PERMALINK

So, one of the parties to the summit is not only not taking it seriously but is actively and widely mocking it in official circles?

Doesn't look like Condi ever stood a chance.

Wow. You really are an idiot.

Posted by: flora on November 22, 2007 at 11:06 AM | PERMALINK

Kind of explains the confusion a few years back about whether some insiders were mocking Rice or Carly Fiorina. Spend a few years running an organization into the ground and then write a book about your life as a genius.

Though I am fascinating by that passive aggressive whine "please let me finish my bullshit rather than answer your question" of hers at hearings. I'd like to see someone like Carl Levin sit down for a week and write a battery of questions for her and then ask them.

Posted by: Steve Paradis on November 22, 2007 at 11:14 AM | PERMALINK

There has got to be Condolezza Rice porn out there somewhere!

Google "bestiality".

Posted by: Econobuzz on November 22, 2007 at 11:18 AM | PERMALINK

Condi: "I’m plenty steeped in the past history of negotiations, and I’m plenty steeped in some of the things that have worked and some of the things that haven’t”

What I get out of this quote is fierce phobia of tea.

Posted by: B on November 22, 2007 at 11:54 AM | PERMALINK

I read this article by Robert Higgs titled CrackPot Realism Is Riding High"

[Sociologist C. Wright Mills] Mills's key insight was that although such people have indeed been movers and shakers, they have moved and shaken within such a constricted milieu of experience and training that in most respects they are fools.

[link fixed. --Mod]

Posted by: Ya Know... on November 22, 2007 at 1:24 PM | PERMALINK

Seems I forgot a quote mark in the URL above

Oh, yeh, have a great Thanksgiving!!

Posted by: Ya Know... on November 22, 2007 at 1:28 PM | PERMALINK

That's just what the Israelis want, isn't it? To look and sound earnest and have meetings that get nothing done.

Posted by: Horatio Parker on November 24, 2007 at 1:26 AM | PERMALINK

I'm confused. Nation upon nation and bipartisan diplomats have castigated Bushco for refusing to meet with our adversaries. At least they are now attempting a dialog.
Isn't this the preferred way to go???

Posted by: cognitorex on November 24, 2007 at 1:00 PM | PERMALINK




 

 

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