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November 23, 2007
By: Kevin Drum

QUOTE OF THE DAY....From Sen. Bob Corker (R-TN), explaining what he meant when he said he was "underwhelmed" by White House discussions on Iraq that he had participated in:

Let me say this. George Bush is a very compassionate person. He's a very good person. And a lot of people don't see that in him, and there's many people in this room who might disagree with that....I just felt a little bit underwhelmed by our discussions, the complexity of them, the depth of them.

Insert obvious joke here.

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But he's guided by God, so what's the problem?

Posted by: Nick on November 23, 2007 at 2:36 PM | PERMALINK

I thought that Corker was telling the joke.

Posted by: freelunch on November 23, 2007 at 2:38 PM | PERMALINK

W is a simple man for simple times.

Posted by: Gore/Edwards 08 on November 23, 2007 at 2:38 PM | PERMALINK

Well, ain't that a corker!

Posted by: sara on November 23, 2007 at 2:53 PM | PERMALINK

Ya think ??

oh and Go Buffs !!

Posted by: Tim on November 23, 2007 at 3:05 PM | PERMALINK

Sorry Senator Corker, but we all just feel a little bit underwhelmed by your criticisms of the worst president in our history, the specificity of them, the depth of them.

It's as if, I don't know, you've been a more than willing accomplice to bankrupting our government; destroying the US military; backdoor drafts; denying our soldiers medical care, signing bonuses, and retirement benefits while also deliberately hiding casualty figures; illegal domestic wiretaps, violating the Geneva conventions with torture, undermining the Bill of Rights, making the United States an international pariah, while actively obstructing justice, accountability and consequences for these bad acts.

At long last, this is the closest you can come to criticizing the most corrupt, incompetent, and criminal presidency in our nation's history?

Sorry, 'underwhelmed' doesn't even begin to cut it. The only way Justice could begin to be served would be to see you standing alongside Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rove, and others on the gallows.

Posted by: Augustus on November 23, 2007 at 3:56 PM | PERMALINK

Augustus:
You forgot to add:
Tried to create a US coprosperity sphere in the middle east, led a politically/religously motivated war on science.

Posted by: bigTom on November 23, 2007 at 4:15 PM | PERMALINK

There's a joke on top the one about a Republican Senator named Corker?

Posted by: F. Frederson on November 23, 2007 at 4:27 PM | PERMALINK

Sara at 2:53 - Great minds!

Augustus, I'm no fan of Corker, and hate to even look like I might be defending the jackass, and there are plenty of reasons to detest the jerk - but he has only held the seat since being sworn in last January - he is not nearly so complicit in the perfidy and malfeasance as the feckless losers who comprised the Republican majority prior to '07.

Posted by: Blue Girl, Red State (aka G.C.) on November 23, 2007 at 4:39 PM | PERMALINK

Corker's painfully phrased language about Bush is a little bit reminiscent of Gene Wilder's statement to the embittered black sheriff in the racist town in "Blazing Saddles": "You can't rush them. These are simple people, the salt of the Earth. You know -- morons."

Posted by: Bruce Moomaw on November 23, 2007 at 4:50 PM | PERMALINK

Who wants kitties?

Posted by: Blue Girl, Red State (aka G.C.) on November 23, 2007 at 5:18 PM | PERMALINK

"Insert obvious joke here."

Obvious joke inserted in White House by Supreme Court in 2000.

Posted by: Ross Best on November 23, 2007 at 5:42 PM | PERMALINK

Blue Girl at 5:18 PM , you are entirely shameless.
God bless you.

Posted by: thersites on November 23, 2007 at 5:53 PM | PERMALINK

Aw, I just know how cranky some people can be when they don't get their kitties, and I blog as a public service...

Posted by: Blue Girl, Red State (aka G.C.) on November 23, 2007 at 6:18 PM | PERMALINK

According to Kevin's link, Sen. Corker said: I do believe that the most recent course of action we've pursued is a good one

Do you folks believe Sen. Corker? Or, do you only believe him when he says things you agree with?

Corker was "underwhelmed" by a President who is pursuing a good policy? What would he think of those who don'e even have the sense to support Bush's good policy? He'd think they were [insert appropriate adjective and noun].

Posted by: ex-liberal on November 23, 2007 at 6:25 PM | PERMALINK

What do you mean Shiite and Sunni? I thought they were all Muslim in Iraq.

Posted by: Emphyrio on November 23, 2007 at 6:26 PM | PERMALINK

In neo-speak compassion is a five hundred pound bomb named freedom.

Posted by: Ya Know... on November 23, 2007 at 6:26 PM | PERMALINK

Do you folks believe Sen. Corker? Or, do you only believe him when he says things you agree with?

Its not about belief, its about an opinion. Just because I agree with one of his opinions does NOT mean I believe everything he says. And for the record I dont agree with everything ANY politician says.

Never trust a politician.

Posted by: Ya Know... on November 23, 2007 at 6:33 PM | PERMALINK

Do you folks believe Sen. Corker? Or, do you only believe him when he says things you agree with?

Way to attempt to set up a false comparison, dipshit. You really have a talent for making my bile rise like no one else. Wonder why that is? maybe because you are totally without conscience, and have nothing to lose?

Here is a belief for ya. I believe I would rather have my nephew home and your bloodthirsty, chickenhawk ass in full battle rattle in the god-damned desert.

Posted by: Airman Rowland's Aunt on November 23, 2007 at 6:40 PM | PERMALINK

"Do you folks believe Sen. Corker? Or, do you only believe him when he says things you agree with?"

Do you believe in serious discussion or do you believe in playing silly little games?

Never mind ... the answer is obvious.

Posted by: PaulB on November 23, 2007 at 6:46 PM | PERMALINK

Going with Blue Girl on this one. Why is it that so often we write on here about the knee jerk wingnuts, & then so many of the more left persuasion prove yourselves to be knee jerk libtards? Anytime a Republican Senator tells us Bush is clueless about Iraq, that is a minor victory for our side, for God's sake!

Corkers' statement that we are finally moving in the right direction in Iraq is not a contradiction of Bush not having a clue, but a validation of the commanders in the field who changed the strategy & tactics there. I think the change in direction is too little, too late. I hope I'm wrong.

Posted by: bob in fla on November 23, 2007 at 7:34 PM | PERMALINK

ex-liberal: "Do you folks believe Sen. Corker? Or, do you only believe him when he says things you agree with?"

Don't you have to get going, if you're going to meet Bob at the Playboy Party?

Posted by: Donald from Hawaii on November 23, 2007 at 8:11 PM | PERMALINK

but he has only held the seat since being sworn in last January

Unless someone can show that he's mentally incompetent, I don't know how that even remotely exonerates him.

He's fully cognizant of what the GOP has been doing since 2001 and made a conscious, overt act to join them. That's the way criminal conspiracy laws work - they hold co-conspirators equally responsible for all of the crimes committed even if the co-conspirator joined after the crime has been committed. They simply need to be aware of the conspiracy and take overt acts to further it or keep it concealed.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, the harm done to the United States by Osama bin Laden in terms of lives lost, property and prosperity destroyed pales in comparison to the harm done by the Bush administration and GOP.

Anyone of Corker's education and intelligence who is aware of what these people have done and willingly joins them after the fact is every bit as guilty and responsible as that group for the crimes they have committed.

And frankly the same goes for average citizens who are still willingly registered as Republicans. They are placing greater loyalty on a political party (which is now almost indistinct from a criminal organization) above what is good for their fellow citizens, country, and even the planet.

The majority of these self-professed Religious Conservatives will be spending the rest of eternity burning in hell for their part in all of this. (Of course, they don't really believe in God and Christianity or they wouldn't have dragged the religion of Jesus Christ into the sewers with them for political and monetary gain).

Posted by: Augustus on November 23, 2007 at 8:14 PM | PERMALINK

I have come to the conclusion that there is a cosmic law of Conservation of Cluelessness. First there was tbrosz, but he took his faux-intellectualism elsewhere; as if by magic, ex-liberal has stepped into the gap to produce post after post of psuedo-thinking claptrap.

Posted by: craigie on November 23, 2007 at 9:28 PM | PERMALINK

Blogwhoring alert!

...if anyone is hungry for fresh content, WTWC has it.

Posted by: Blue Girl, Red State (aka G.C.) on November 23, 2007 at 9:42 PM | PERMALINK

Hey Kevin, is there some reason you haven't taken your place at bat in the latest blog memey thing going around? Shit talking Saletan?

Posted by: Jes Wonderin' on November 23, 2007 at 10:46 PM | PERMALINK

"Boutique team"*, my ass: Hawaii 39, Boise State 27.

* Kirk Herbstreet -- Professional Ohio State Apologist, ESPN College Football Gameday (November 17, 2007)

Posted by: Donald from Hawaii on November 24, 2007 at 1:01 AM | PERMALINK

[Inane blather deleted]

Posted by: The Objective Historian on November 24, 2007 at 1:52 AM | PERMALINK

Thank you for the link, Blue Girl. I hope you're being sarcastic, however, when you end the post saying you're going to call Congress when they are back in session to complain about these violations of the Constitution.

Um, like Corker above, they already know about these abuses. The fact that they haven't done anything to stop these abuses demonstrates either that they are willing accomplices in these abuses or are more concerned with their own political capital than they are the rule of law and the Constitution.

I suppose there's also a third wingnut possibility, that the Bush administration is using its unchecked wiretapping powers to blackmail members of congress into acquiescence. But I'm sure the Bush administration is above that kind of behavior, right? (cough cough)

Posted by: Augustus on November 24, 2007 at 3:18 AM | PERMALINK

ex: Do you folks believe Sen. Corker? Or, do you only believe him when he says things you agree with?


my personal favorite is when the gop call bill clinton a liar..(for what a decade now?)

then the gop cult try to use clinton's words to defend gwb..

how's that working out?

Posted by: mr. irony on November 24, 2007 at 5:46 AM | PERMALINK

George Bush is a very compassionate person. He's a very good person.

""Raymond Shaw is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life."

For more than six years, people who have met Bush a total of one or two times (and in controlled settings orchestrated by the White House), exit their meetings with him and repeat these same words. One after another. I think it's quite remarkable.

I don't think Corker has been in the same room with Bush (and never alone with him) any more times than I can count on one hand.

What is it that Bush said or did in his meeting with Corker that convinced Corker that Bush is a "very compassionate" and "good person"?

Posted by: Maeven on November 24, 2007 at 6:07 AM | PERMALINK

Jeez, "Objective" "Historian," a wee touchy, aren't we?

You sound like Travis Bickle: "You're in a hell, and you're gonna die in a hell!"

Posted by: Matt on November 24, 2007 at 7:55 AM | PERMALINK

TOH,

You are absolutely correct in castigating the moderator for deleting your comments about that Australian Poodle being nipped in the rear end by a legion of Australian Cattle Dogs.

John Howard, go into the shame of oblivion and may that Loco Shrub, you sniffed and adored, join you there, in January '09.

And may the Jayhawks, prevail in the Border War.

Posted by: bert on November 24, 2007 at 9:02 AM | PERMALINK

"Do you folks believe Sen. Corker? Or, do you only believe him when he says things you agree with?"

If you have to explain the joke, it doesn't work.

Posted by: Jose Padilla on November 24, 2007 at 9:33 AM | PERMALINK

Here's a different twist: Why do we automatically think the thing Corker was "underwhelmed" by was the Preznit's IQ? There is no evidence that Corker is any smarter than you're average Gooper, is there?

I wonder if what Corker was disturbed about was that he really thought he was walking into a room of near-equals, ready for a good give-and-take, and instead he got a full blast of the Imperial Presidency. "Here are your soundbites, kiss my ring and be happy it isn't my ass although you'll be expected to pucker in that direction soon enough, goodbye".

Maybe, stupid as he is, he still isn't quite down to the level of say, ex-liberal here, and doesn't appreciate being treated like a child who should just hush and listen to Daddy.

Posted by: doesn't matter on November 24, 2007 at 9:45 AM | PERMALINK

doesn't matter: Why do we automatically think the thing Corker was "underwhelmed" by was the Preznit's IQ?

We don't need to guess what Corker was underwhelmed by, because he explained it:

I just felt a little bit underwhelmed by our discussions, the complexity of them, the depth of them. And yet in spite of that, I do believe that the most recent course of action we've pursued is a good one. I feel like what we've lack in our country is a coherent effort that really links together the Treasury Department, all the various departments of our government in a way that really focuses not just on the hard military side of things, but also the soft effort that it takes to build good will among people. I really think much of that has righted itself,

http://www.newschannel9.com/news/corker_964648___article.html/underwhelmed_very.html

Posted by: ex-liberal on November 24, 2007 at 10:33 AM | PERMALINK

Heckava job, over at Treasury, Henry Paulsen, heckava job you're doing in Baghdad. Dispersing the loot, building hearts and minds. Heckava job. Must put in for another Freedom Medal.

Posted by: George W B on November 24, 2007 at 11:06 AM | PERMALINK

Actually, I agree with Corker, and I commend him for his refreshing honesty. I also think George Bush IS a very compassionate person. A good person...

...at least to his cronies, the ones who share Bush's delusions, aggressiveness, contempt, mean-spiritedness, and lack of curiosity, so, yeah, why wouldn't they think he's a good person? Unlike me, they are willing to forgive Bush for his conviction that self-interested conservative delusions are a philosophy for governing. People who are incompetent don't know that they are incompetent and can't recognize incompetence in others.

But it's encouraging to think that Bush's colleagues may now be trying to salvage his legacy with the "nice guy" excuse. That's really scraping the barrel! As a variation on the old joke would have it, "Gee, for an incompetent screw-up, you sure are compassionate!"

Posted by: PTate in MN on November 24, 2007 at 11:22 AM | PERMALINK

Aw...the Obtuse Histrionic was here and I missed his wingnutty goodness! Damnit! He is always good for a laugh.

Posted by: Blue Girl, Red State (aka G.C.) on November 24, 2007 at 12:02 PM | PERMALINK

ex: posting corker's comment: I feel like what we've lack in our country is a coherent effort that really links together the Treasury Department, all the various departments of our government in a way that really focuses not just on the hard military side of things, but also the soft effort that it takes to build good will among people.

really?

a lack of effort to build good will?

1. Senior Bush HUD Official Alphonso Jackson Resigns Amidst Investigation - 11/21/07

2. The number of potential U.S. home-loan defaults "will be significantly bigger" in 2008 than in 2007. - Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson 11/21/07 - Wall Street Journal Online

3. U.S. mine safety regulators failed to conduct inspections required by federal law at more than 1-in-7 of the country’s 731 underground coal mines last year. Budget constraints and a lack of management emphasis on worker safety by the Bush administration are responsible for the lapses, the Labor Department inspector general said in a report. - Wash. Post 11/17/07

4. FBI: Blackwater Killed Iraqis Without Cause - 11/14/07


looks like the same old bush admin. heckofajob to me..


Posted by: mr. irony on November 24, 2007 at 1:34 PM | PERMALINK




 

 

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