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November 29, 2007
By: Kevin Drum

SHAGADELIC!....I sort of buried the big Rudy/Judi story in the middle of my debate blogging last night, and that's just not right. It deserves a post of its own.

So just in case you missed it, The Politico reported yesterday that back in 1999-2000, when Rudy was carrying on an affair with Judith Nathan (later Mrs. Rudy #3), he tried to hide what was going on by charging the expenses of his security detail to obscure city agencies:

The expenses first surfaced as Giuliani's two terms as mayor of New York drew to a close in 2001, when a city auditor stumbled across something unusual: $34,000 worth of travel expenses buried in the accounts of the New York City Loft Board.

When the city's fiscal monitor asked for an explanation, Giuliani's aides refused, citing "security," said Jeff Simmons, a spokesman for the city comptroller.

But American Express bills and travel documents obtained by Politico suggest another reason City Hall may have considered the documents sensitive: They detail three summers of visits to Southampton, the Long Island town where Nathan had an apartment.

....Broadening the inquiry, the comptroller wrote, auditors found similar expenses at a range of other unlikely agencies: $10,054 billed to the Office for People With Disabilities and $29,757 to the Procurement Policy Board.

The next year, yet another obscure department, the Assigned Counsel Administrative Office, was billed around $400,000 for travel.

Rudy's explanation for these odd billing practices? Three so far: (a) it's just a "hit job," (b) it's the police department's fault, and (c) why, this is just standard operating procedure.

Well, standard operating procedure at Enron, maybe, but probably not for the city of New York. But there's more. While this was all still percolating, ABC News reported this afternoon that Judi had been getting some additional special treatment:

Well before it was publicly known he was seeing her, then-married New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani provided a police driver and city car for his mistress Judith Nathan, former senior city officials tell the Blotter on ABCNews.com.

"She used the PD as her personal taxi service," said one former city official who worked for Giuliani.

Former mayor Ed Koch was not amused: "That was bizarre. She's not the city's responsibility. Rudy is the city's responsibility. Your wife and his children get protection, and that's understood. But certainly not your lady friend."

And just to jog your memories, remember that this comes on top of all those rumors that Rudy bucked his advisors and insisted on putting his emergency command post in the World Trade Center so that it would be within walking distance of City Hall, and therefore convenient for in-city trysts with Judi. That turned out not to be such a great idea, but what can you do? Love makes fools of us all.

And, hell, as long as we're piling on Rudy, ABC also reported today that for the past two years Giuliani Security & Safety has been providing security consulting and advice to the Qatar Interior Ministry, "which is currently run by a member of the royal family who has long been accused of supporting al Qaeda, according to security consultants familiar with the area."

If you want to keep up, TPM (natch) is flooding the zone on all things Rudy. Head over there for the latest.

Kevin Drum 7:13 PM Permalink | Trackbacks | Comments (51)

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Yeah, but 9/11!!

Posted by: Rudy on November 29, 2007 at 7:15 PM | PERMALINK

Felony charges, anyone?
[NY State Comptroller Alan Hevesi’s] decision to step down came as Albany prosecutors were preparing to ask a grand jury to indict him on charges of defrauding the government and on other felonies stemming from his use of state employees as chauffeurs and aides to his wife , a law enforcement official said, charges that could have yielded a prison sentence had he been convicted."

Rudy's fourth alibi: 9-11 9-11 9-11.
Oh, right then. Nevermind.

Posted by: Mike on November 29, 2007 at 7:26 PM | PERMALINK

Rudy + 527 Dem groups = one ugly 2008 election. It will be fun in a "tragic for the union" sort of way.

Posted by: Bush Lover on November 29, 2007 at 7:26 PM | PERMALINK

Yeah but Hillary planted a gay admiral.

Posted by: An Anonymous American Patriot on November 29, 2007 at 7:31 PM | PERMALINK

But it isn't as though he lost money on a land deal in AR!!!!

Posted by: Gore/Edwards 08 on November 29, 2007 at 7:31 PM | PERMALINK

I'm starting to like this guy Guliani. Could help us out a lot.

Posted by: Art Rantarian on November 29, 2007 at 7:37 PM | PERMALINK

He's safe as long as she didn't spill anything on her dress.

Posted by: tomeck on November 29, 2007 at 7:37 PM | PERMALINK

Rudolphus Giulianius is more of a MAN than any of you boys ever will be. You are all weaklings.

Posted by: Free Lover of Freedom and Free Liberty on November 29, 2007 at 7:41 PM | PERMALINK

as long as he's not 'Peter of Rome' he'll get the vote. You know what I'm talking about.

Posted by: anonymous on November 29, 2007 at 7:42 PM | PERMALINK

Obviously you guys are all blinded by Bush derangement syndrome. Guiliani is a great American hero, and all you leftits can do is to pathtically try and tear him down. Luckily the greta american people will see through your bs and will elect this great man to the positionb that he deserves. Too bad you all hate every thing and one that is good and great in the greatets country in the world. Dhimmicrats!

Posted by: Free Lover all of Freedom on November 29, 2007 at 7:50 PM | PERMALINK

Kevin Drum: standard operating procedure at Enron, maybe, but probably not for the city of New York

Nonsense. Back in the days of Tammany Hall this was accepted practice. And they were Democratics!

Of course that was cleaned up by Rudy's fellow Republican and Eyetalian-American Fiorello LaGuardia, which, through process of generalization, proves that Rudy has the right stuff!

Posted by: alex on November 29, 2007 at 7:56 PM | PERMALINK

At the TPM page Kevin linked, Josh Marshall says:

But we've been looking into this and from what we can see Rudy probably skates.

Again, this is preliminary and we're in touch with experts on New York law. But the law that snagged Hevesi applies to state officials, not all public officials in the state of New York. So even though Rudy did something considerably more egregious we're pretty sure the law simply doesn't apply to him as a city elected official (probably a case where the diminutive nature of his office is something he's thankful for).

We're looking to see if there's a parallel law that applies in New York City. But so far we haven't found it.


Posted by: JS on November 29, 2007 at 7:56 PM | PERMALINK

I was shocked, shocked, shocked -

- that people actually thought this incident would end Rudy's candidacy! Come on, people! Once Pat Robertson (the guy who said New York's immoralities were the cause of the 9/11 attacks) threw his support behind the immoral New York mayor, you should know the jig is up. The Republicans have their orders, and there's nothing that Rudy can do, no principle he can break, no value of his that Republicans once hated, that'll keep them from supporting him.

Posted by: a1 on November 29, 2007 at 8:00 PM | PERMALINK

Well, that's about the end of this Rudy nonsense I'd say.

Posted by: JeffII on November 29, 2007 at 8:04 PM | PERMALINK

Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.

Posted by: Novemberist on November 29, 2007 at 8:07 PM | PERMALINK

But is anyone actually paying attention to things this early in the race? There were various scandals early during Clinton's first run (affairs, using state troopers for personal errands and such) and it only had a temporary impact on his campaign.

After all, the press is giving far more attention to that SAME missing white girl from what, three years ago?

And the "debates"? Wow, talk about Idiocracy. I half expected to hear one of the candidates say "Electrolytes. It's what plants crave."

Posted by: Augustus on November 29, 2007 at 8:14 PM | PERMALINK

Well, if you watched the network news, you'd learn that this was really rather trifling. It does raise the question what Rudy would have to do to stir the mainstream media to something like scrutiny. Maybe if Rudy cackled. Or if he was shown combing his hair. How about filching some rhetorical lines from a British pol? Hmmm?

Posted by: walt on November 29, 2007 at 8:20 PM | PERMALINK

ABC also reported today that for the past two years Giuliani Security & Safety has been providing security consulting and advice to the Qatar Interior Ministry

The Village Voice published an extensive piece Tuesday; see here.

Posted by: has407 on November 29, 2007 at 8:20 PM | PERMALINK

I don't mean to be too much of a nuisance but...Rudy certainly was traveling to places other than the Hampton's at that time. He was the mayor. Where did he bill the secuirty fees for that travel? Thru the round about or right down town? My guess is legit travel was billed legit..and booty call travel was billed as ..well booty call.

Posted by: Richard on November 29, 2007 at 8:36 PM | PERMALINK

Keep thinking this is important while Jack Murtha backpedals on Iraq.

Posted by: Mike K on November 29, 2007 at 8:43 PM | PERMALINK

thanks for the link to hotair, Mike K.
What a bunch of pathetic whiners!! Too funny!

"Boo hoo! That liberal media makes us look so bad! Waaah!"

Again everyone, if you want to read some of the most sorry bunch of sniveling Republicans, go to
hotair.com !!

Posted by: Joey Giraud on November 29, 2007 at 9:01 PM | PERMALINK

Yes and read about Murtha.

Posted by: Mike K on November 29, 2007 at 9:05 PM | PERMALINK

Dear heart, if you think Murtha is important, by all means continue to obsess about him. The rest of us will have fun watching Giuliani squirm. Good luck in 2008.

Posted by: PaulB on November 29, 2007 at 9:14 PM | PERMALINK

Back on topic: what's really fun is watching the right-wingers squirm on Giuliani, knowing that every single thing about Clinton is coming back to bite them in the ass if they support Giuliani. This will also be a test of the media, which for a while gave Giuliani a free pass.

Posted by: PaulB on November 29, 2007 at 9:16 PM | PERMALINK

So Murtha acknowledges that violence dropped while the unsustainable surge - that was supposed to give the Iraqi politicians "breathing space" - has been in effect.

Galileo knows that no one is distressed that the number of coffins coming home has dropped. But we also realize that nothing over there happens in a vacuum.

But go on obsessing about Murtha while your entire party implodes and we all do a little happy-dance.

Posted by: Blue Girl, Red State (aka G.C.) on November 29, 2007 at 9:19 PM | PERMALINK

The analogy I've been using, BGRS, is that of a broken leg, with "the surge" the equivalent of administering pain medication. It can do some good but, if you don't set the leg, when the medication wears off, the leg will still be broken.

Posted by: PaulB on November 29, 2007 at 9:37 PM | PERMALINK

PaulB, I think more in terms of open heart surgery. The high price chest cracker does her job and everything is perfect as she strolls out of the room and the patient crashes just as the anesthesiologist starts to reduce the gas. The surgery was a success and the patient is dead.

Later that week, the hospital sends out the bill.

Posted by: Keith G on November 29, 2007 at 10:06 PM | PERMALINK

What's that about Murtha? I never even noticed, because the hotair.com comments outweigh the post by 100 to 1.

And what comments they are! Proud Republicans whining and crying and feeling sorry for themselves.

I'm still ROTFLMAO.

Remember, that's HOTAIR.COM! More pathetic then anything you've seen, more amusing then freerepublic.

Oooooh the poor babies.

Posted by: Joey Giraud on November 29, 2007 at 10:11 PM | PERMALINK

It's not enough to set the leg, the bones have to knit.

On Giuliani, don't forget that one likely set up is with Clinton as his opponent. It is NOT as easy as it appears for Clinton to be attacking Giuliani over infidelity. That's not cuz she's unfaithful, nor strictly speaking cuz Bill ain't perfect, but because Lewinsky, weirdly, inoculates a Republican for similar offenses.

If it was Obama, it'd be easier to attack Republicans for hypocrisy in nominating Giuliani: this ain't rational, but it's true.

The weird fact is, Republicans next year are actually running as... Dukakis. They're selling COMPETENCE. Giuliani is America's Mayor; Romney is the chief executive from Central Casting.

Don't scoff -- Democrats CAN lose next year if the Congress continues to be unsuccessful (what, we were supposed to pass appropriations bills?), and the Presidential nominee runs a campaign that is vulnerable to a contrast with imagery of the Republican nominee's formidability as an executive -- and, weirdly enough, Rudy the tough guy having the cops escort his mistress IS that kind of image.

REMEMBER this -- don't count on Iraq to give us the White House or keep Congress.

Posted by: theAmericanist on November 29, 2007 at 10:12 PM | PERMALINK

Keep praying for defeat, folks. Giuliani has problems but I'll take his to Hillary's. In the meantime, CNN showed its ethical bankruptcy. We knew that but some people probably didn't and they do now. See you next November, especially if your moderators keep deleting comments that don't agree with the theme.

Posted by: Mike K on November 29, 2007 at 10:39 PM | PERMALINK

Lewinsky, weirdly, inoculates a Republican for similar offenses.

Huh? WTF?

Okay, I'll bite. Try to explain to me how this works.

If you can.

Posted by: Keith G on November 29, 2007 at 10:39 PM | PERMALINK

Mike K:

Oh, puleese. At present the Dems (who I love) could not even organize a two car funeral.

Go back to Malkin's site, huff some more glue, and enjoy some more private time with yourself. You deserve it lil' fella.

Posted by: Keith G on November 29, 2007 at 10:53 PM | PERMALINK

Hey, I'm just pointing a few things out. You don't have to accept them as true but I would appreciate it if you remembered them next fall. Malkin found out all these ringers just as a Freeper found out the Dan Rather fake memo. It's not who you are but how you do.

I followed Kevin very closely when he investigated the Bush TANG stories a couple of years ago. He concluded that there was no real evidence, as much as he would have preferred otherwise. Some people are honest and some aren't. That's all.

Posted by: Mike K on November 29, 2007 at 11:05 PM | PERMALINK

"Keep praying for defeat, folks."

Keep lying, Mike. Alas, you don't have much else these days.

"Giuliani has problems but I'll take his to Hillary's."

Really, dear? So you're fine with incompetence, disgraceful ethics, appointing dishonest and incompetent cronies, looting the government, not to mention Giuliani's insane views? You can have him, dear.

"See you next November"

Yes, we will, dear; we're looking forward to it.

"especially if your moderators keep deleting comments that don't agree with the theme."

ROFL... And this is relevant to "next Novemeber" in what way, dear? And, for the record, the moderators block idiots and trolls, dear, not people who disagree.

Posted by: PaulB on November 29, 2007 at 11:19 PM | PERMALINK

"Hey, I'm just pointing a few things out."

Not to mention lying and posting mindless partisan drivel. Did you have a point?

"You don't have to accept them as true"

Since much of what you write is, in fact, not true, are you surprised at your reputation?

"but I would appreciate it if you remembered them next fall."

Dear heart, why on earth should I care about CNN's behavior "next fall?"

"Malkin found out all these ringers just as a Freeper found out the Dan Rather fake memo. It's not who you are but how you do."

ROFL.... Dear heart, you really should watch those stones you're throwing. Your glass house is too fragile.

"Some people are honest and some aren't. That's all."

Yes, dear, we know. And we know where Giuliani stands, dear. The fact that you could support him tells us all we need to know about you.

Posted by: PaulB on November 29, 2007 at 11:23 PM | PERMALINK

$400,000?

Posted by: Boronx on November 29, 2007 at 11:34 PM | PERMALINK

Don't scoff -- Democrats CAN lose next year

Agree.

don't count on Iraq to give us the White House or keep Congress.

Also agree -- especially if the Dems allow tactical issues like the surge and bringing the troops home immediately to dominate. But I do think that keeping alive the story of the war as a huge and expensive mistake, and showing video of Bush in 2002 talking about Iraq's WMD, will help. (I know you disagree on this).

Posted by: JS on November 30, 2007 at 12:17 AM | PERMALINK

Hail Caesar!

Posted by: Luther on November 30, 2007 at 2:23 AM | PERMALINK

This is all bad news, in its way. Democrats should hold fire on Giuliani till the nomination. He's the GOP's fattest target so far.

On the other hand, the rise of Huckabee could mark the start of a fun fight between the God faction and the Money faction of the GOP, so Rudy's entertainment value will be easily replaced.

Posted by: sweaty guy on November 30, 2007 at 4:29 AM | PERMALINK

At least when Clinton got laid, nobody paid.

Posted by: sullijan on November 30, 2007 at 8:00 AM | PERMALINK

The Troopergate story had about as much credibility as the "Hillary Clinton is a lesbian who had an affair with Vince Foster and then killed him" story.

Giuliani billed the taxpayers in excess of half a million dollars to boink his mistress, AND gave her a security detail and police car and driver. Those are FACTS.

Posted by: sullijan on November 30, 2007 at 8:19 AM | PERMALINK

Not to mention Rudy's tryst pad set up.

Bringing troops home? Kind of funny at the time the Oregon National Guard has just been put on alert that approximately 3,500 troops will be called up sometime in the next year to be sent to Iraq. This alert allows them to bring their forces up to full strength, readiness, and gives them priority in upgrading equipment. Biggest call-up since WWII. Some will be going back to Iraq for the 3rd time. And the "surge" has brought "peace in our time".

Still time for any Chicken Hawk trolls out there to come to Oregon and en-list. And Mike K, they probably will need a couple of "Docs" as well. You know, to deny service connected injuries.

Posted by: bert on November 30, 2007 at 8:53 AM | PERMALINK

Kevin, Kevin, Kevin, you don't get it: What matters is oral sex in an office of the people. Misusing money, cheating on spouses, lying about it all--none of that does not matter.

On a serious note, I can't but juxtapose this story with the one involving Phil Kline, who refused to release parking garage records due to "security" issues. (That's a partial truth . . . it's a matter of *job* security.)

It makes me wonder how many more Republicans have used this excuse in recent years.

Posted by: Tx Bubba on November 30, 2007 at 10:02 AM | PERMALINK

"none of that does not matter."

I've been hit with Bush Syndrome. Make that "none of that matters."

Posted by: tx bubba on November 30, 2007 at 10:03 AM | PERMALINK

Using taxpayer money to facilitate sex is illegal? Who knew?
Then there's ...who paid for Monica's pizza.
Ken Starr to the rescue...new grand jury...uproar...with five toppings!...is there no shame, no end to it all?

Posted by: cognitorex on November 30, 2007 at 10:50 AM | PERMALINK

So Murtha acknowledges that violence dropped while the unsustainable surge - that was supposed to give the Iraqi politicians "breathing space" - has been in effect. Posted by: Blue Girl, Red State (aka G.C.)

The surge worked in Baghdad. In part because by the time the surge took place, most of the neighborhood clearing had taken place. Most of the Iraqi refugees aren't from small towns or the countryside. They are from Baghdad and the other major cities. Both Sunnis and Shia have been somewhat successful in "draining the swamp."

Furthermore, violence has not decreased appreciably around the rest of Iraq, and if all the extra American troops were to be withdrawn tomorrow from Baghdad, you'd see the same sort of Sunni on Shia/Shia on Sunni violence that proceeded the surge. This would be facilitated, in part, by the U.S. arming and training a good number of Sunnis to work against the foreign element and the so-called Al Qaeda in Iraq. Don't forget, Sadr has told his militia, the most organized and heavily armed group, to stand down. As soon as he knows it's to his advantage, they will be back in the streets taking as much territory as they can. As soon as the Americans leave, Baghdad will look like Mogadishu.

Electricity, water and health care are still below pre-invasion level in most of the country. The oil industry is moribund.

No matter how you slice it, Shrub's Iraq adventure has been a complete failure, and has saddled the nation with more debt that WWII.

Posted by: JeffII on November 30, 2007 at 11:22 AM | PERMALINK

I think it's cute when your hall monitors remove my comments but leave your replies. You just can't be trusted to hear other opinions.

Posted by: Mike K on November 30, 2007 at 1:44 PM | PERMALINK

Keep praying for defeat, folks. Giuliani has problems but I'll take his to Hillary's.

Here's the Republican party for you: "Sure, Giuliani has mob ties, is a serial adulterer, and paid for his mistress out of city funds -- at least he doesn't want to improve healthcare for American citizens!"

Posted by: Mnemosyne on November 30, 2007 at 2:58 PM | PERMALINK

"I think it's cute when your hall monitors remove my comments but leave your replies. You just can't be trusted to hear other opinions."

Dear heart, as has been pointed out to you frequently, we aren't anti-conservative or anti-Republican or anti-"opinion-we-don't-agree-with." We're anti-stupid. You don't want your posts deleted? Don't write stupid posts. It really is quite simple, dear.

I will note, by the way, that you continue to spend far more time whining than you do actually addressing the substantive responses to your posts. That's particularly true of this thread, where you failed to respond even once, preferring instead to post partisan drivel and ad hominem attacks.

Now, why is it you think we should we take you seriously?

Posted by: PaulB on November 30, 2007 at 4:28 PM | PERMALINK

Paul dear, you complain that my responses are not "substantive" but the substantive ones are deleted by your minders. You really should get out more. I have a post on my blog about your timid response to comments that challenge your tiny brains.

Posted by: Mike K on November 30, 2007 at 11:04 PM | PERMALINK


mike k : Yes and read about Murtha.


wingnut flip flop....you are a traitor until you agree with them..

hilarious..

(see bill clinton is a liar...but oh..look what he said about wmds)

Posted by: mr. irony on December 1, 2007 at 11:23 AM | PERMALINK




 

 

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