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November 30, 2007
By: Kevin Drum

RUDY UPDATE (AFTERNOON EDITION)....Dick Polman runs down the evolving list of excuses Rudy has offered up for hiding security detail expenses in obscure city agency accounts here.

Excuse #5 — I did it in order to help the men in blue get their expenses reimbursed more quickly — never made sense in the first place (why not just do it openly if that's the real reason?), but in any case gets shot down here:

The current New York Police Commissioner Ray Kelly said today he knew of no problems with the delay of payments before Giuliani was mayor, when Kelly served under Mayor David Dinkins, or since.

"I don't recall anybody, any statements about delay," Kelly told reporters.

He said all bills for the police details for Dinkins and now for Mayor Mike Bloomberg are handled directly "through the police department."

Meanwhile, Rudy's campaign is in full panic mode, flatly refusing to talk to the press:

"We've already explained it," he said, walking past reporters after a town hall meeting.

Giuliani, who is normally friendly to reporters, bristled past them, and campaign staffers were unusually physical in keeping the press away. Several campaign aides told campaign reporters to return to the press area, and some of his security detail manhandled reporters.

"We've already explained it." Uh huh. I sure hope he doesn't think that excuse is going to tide him through the upcoming week.

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Let's see....this guy was a prosecutor, right?

Posted by: Keith G on November 30, 2007 at 8:28 PM | PERMALINK

Heck, Rudy’s now blaming Bloomberg for starting the leak about the situation, claiming it’s because Bloomberg is about to launch his presidential campaign.

Posted by: SocraticGadfly on November 30, 2007 at 8:47 PM | PERMALINK

I said it 10 months ago, and I'll repeat it:

An unknown guv from AR comes to save a party that seems hopeless.

Posted by: Gore/Edwards 08 on November 30, 2007 at 9:01 PM | PERMALINK

G/E '08:

Could be. Though I still think Mitt has a good chance.

Posted by: idlemind on November 30, 2007 at 9:10 PM | PERMALINK

To quote from Beetlejuice, "It keeps getting funnier ... and funnier."

Posted by: Jeffrey Davis on November 30, 2007 at 9:14 PM | PERMALINK

"Uh huh. I sure hope he doesn't think that excuse is going to tide him through the upcoming week."

That strategy certainly would never work for a Democrat. It just might for a Republican. IOKIYAR

Posted by: Ben on November 30, 2007 at 9:20 PM | PERMALINK

Yeah, what do Sensible Centrists have to say about this?

Posted by: craigie on November 30, 2007 at 9:23 PM | PERMALINK

Rudy just got Garyharted. Having wife #2 and soon-to-be-wife #3 in the SAME TAXPAYER-FUNDED PUBLIC HOUSING AT THE SAME TIME is the equivalent of Hart saying "Investigate me. I've got nothing to hide." Okay, you're being investigated and more of your bull$hit is bobbing to the top.

Shouldn't take long from here.

Posted by: Piehole on November 30, 2007 at 9:24 PM | PERMALINK

Lou Dobbs wants to lay off of Rudy over this issue. He says it's the politics of personal destruction and it's just not an issue, or shouldn't be. It's not like he's a Democrat where such behavior would be a telling character flaw. Let's talk about how HRC drives men mad because she can't say what she thinks without polling the question.
I'm positive that's what drove that hostage situation in New Hampshire today. Poor guy, it's just a natural reaction to her.

Posted by: TJM on November 30, 2007 at 9:33 PM | PERMALINK

remember this one:

Let me refresh your memory, in case the details are a little hazy. Lategano was working as Giuliani's Press Secretary when their affair began, and was later elevated to Communications Director. When the affair ended in May of 1999, he installed her at the helm of the city's tourism bureau, a $150k/year plum. Lategano, now married, denies that anything improper took place, but Rudy himself has issued a series of artful non-denial denials. His ex-wife, Donna Hanover, has blamed Lategano in public statements and court papers for the demise of her marriage.

Posted by: patrick on November 30, 2007 at 10:58 PM | PERMALINK

Wonder if the statute of limitations has run out. Sounds like Rudy committed a few crimes.

Posted by: little ole jim on November 30, 2007 at 10:59 PM | PERMALINK

"We've already explained that" means "I don't want to keep embroidering the lie I told. It's much simpler to ignore all questions after the first lie."

Posted by: freelunch on November 30, 2007 at 11:05 PM | PERMALINK

Lou Dobbs wants to lay off because of politics of personal destruction when thats what Rove did?

Bwah, come to think of it Roves proteges work for Rudy and probably told Dobbs what to say.

Posted by: But But Clinton on November 30, 2007 at 11:31 PM | PERMALINK

The enthusiastic defender of torture, illegal surveillance, and an intrusive military-based government has his campaign for president killed - and make no mistake, Gulliani for President 2008 is dead.

Now watch as the same people who so vigorously proclaimed at the shameful actions of Bill Clinton now somehow try to justify their support of someone's who behavior was far worse (let's see your latest balloon, Al).

What is ironic is that the truth came out through good old fashioned journalism - no need for torture, "enhanced-interrogation techniques" (i.e., torture), or illegal surveillance. Makes you wonder why the government is willing to lose global goodwill using an obviously inferior method for getting information.

This proud nation is no longer willing to be represented by small men. Enjoy your last few days as a serious candidate, man who would be "America's Mayor".

Next to fall is Mitt "Political Representation Based on Demographic Makeup (except for my group)" Romney.

Edwards/Obama/Hillary crushes Huckabee. Democrats control congress, and then...

...what changes?

Are we to be used as the Religious Right is right? Will we, the progressive activists, be constantly promised changes, with the most important changes always staying...just...out...of...reach...with each election being promised as the one that would bring "Real Change"?

And if not...why and how?

Posted by: An Anonymous American Patriot on November 30, 2007 at 11:32 PM | PERMALINK

Does living in denial about the party and people one so enthusiastically supports, increase or diminish in the face of such hypocricy? Hmm. Pass the chips.

Posted by: Captain on November 30, 2007 at 11:45 PM | PERMALINK

And if not...why and how?

Why? Because dew only flourishes in the morning.

How? We all become morning people...

Posted by: elmo on November 30, 2007 at 11:57 PM | PERMALINK

[OT]: Big Brother government is poised to become even BIGGER, thanks to the "People's Branch":

The Violent Radicalization Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007

... HR 1955, "The Violent Radicalization Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007", apparently intended to assess "homegrown" terrorism threats and causes is on a fast-track through Congress. Proponents claim the bill would centralize information about the formation of domestic terrorists and would not impinge on constitutional rights. ...

Civil liberties activists have criticized the bill, some comparing the Commission it would establish to the McCarthy Commission that investigated Americans for possible associations with Communist groups, casting suspicion on law-abiding citizens and ruining their reputations. The Commission would be empowered to "hold hearings and sit and act at such times and places, take such testimony, receive such evidence, and administer such oaths as the Commission considers advisable to carry out its duties."

Odette Wilkens, the executive director of the Equal Justice Alliance, a constitutional watchdog group, compared the legislation to the McCarthy Commission and to the FBI's Counter Intelligence Program (COINTELPRO), which infiltrated, undermined and spied on civil rights and antiwar groups during the 1950s and 60s.

"The commission would have very broad powers. It could investigate anyone. It would create a public perception that whoever is being investigated by the Commission must be involved in subversive or illegal activities. It would give the appearance that whoever they are investigating is potentially a traitor or disloyal or a terrorist, even if all they were doing was advocating lawful views," Wilkens said. ...
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Posted by: Poilu on December 1, 2007 at 12:57 AM | PERMALINK

Poilu, yeah, I've read about it. And you know JoeMentum will ramrod it through the Senate.

Posted by: SocraticGadfly on December 1, 2007 at 1:09 AM | PERMALINK

TJM: "Lou Dobbs wants to lay off of Rudy over this issue. He says it's the politics of personal destruction and it's just not an issue, or shouldn't be."

Yeah, right. Lou Dobbs is a pompous, self-righteous ass.

This was a guy who insisted for months that former New York Times correspondent Judith Miller was but an innocent victim of a partisan prosecutorial vendetta in the Valerie Plame affair.

I also recall how quickly Dobbs shut up when, under oath, Miller finally admitted how Scooter Libby did in fact reveal with malice aforethought that star-crossed CIA agent's identity to her. Dobbs will soon do the same here, too, as Rudy Giuliani is finally exposed for the charlatan he is.

Lou Dobbs may be a blowhard, but he also doesn't like getting caught on the wrong side of public opinion.

Posted by: Donald from Hawaii, & currently in Chicago on December 1, 2007 at 4:39 AM | PERMALINK

Giuliani is just following the model established by George W. Bush - don't "dignify" questions about your checkered past, and the press will eventually not ask any more (e.g. "How many times have you been arrested, Mr. Bush?")

It didn't work for Bill Clinton, but it seems to be working O.K. for Rotten Rudy. The so-called liberal media is too chickenshit.

Posted by: The Conservative Deflator on December 1, 2007 at 6:38 AM | PERMALINK

Not to attack 'Gore/Edwards 08', but is he/she predicting that the Reps will be 'born again' (whatever that means) and be saved? Saved from purgatory? Or do they have no chance of salvation!

Posted by: Don Quixote on December 1, 2007 at 8:22 AM | PERMALINK

"Several campaign aides told campaign reporters to return to the press area, and some of his security detail manhandled reporters."

What? You mean another thuggish Republican? I'm shocked. Gotta love them "family values"!

Posted by: marty on December 1, 2007 at 8:34 AM | PERMALINK

Get ready for the FoxNews counteroffensive on behalf of Rudy. Roger Ailes is not going to let his boy go down easily, so the carefully calibrated campaign of smears is being finalized as we drink our coffee. You can expect a coordinated Shock and Awe assault on the credibilty of anyone daring to question the heroism of President 9-11. It will have at least three channels: the regular loons who infest the FoxNews studios, like Hannity and Gibson, and all the second-bananas who will repeat the slurs.

The second and equally important channel is Rush Limbaugh, who will extend the blame to Hillary Clinton's mafia of underhanded political operatives seeking to undermine the great President 9-11. This will turn the spotlight onto HRC and other Dems and away from President 9-11.

Third, the even more nutty tier of talk show blatherers like Savage and Beck will spread even more ridiculous lies and smears, and will talk darkly about the allegations being a coordinated campaign of domestic Islamic terrorists and defeatocrat Dems like Barack Osama.

Of course, none of this will be possible without the connivance of such august institutions as the Washington Post. The WaPo has already signaled its eagerness to join the heroic fight against the IslamoDemocrats, devoting front page space to Barack Osama's alleged Muslim beliefs while burying three lines about President 9-11's taxpayer-supported ShagFest in the back pages.

You can also count on the Christian Right to remain completely mum about ShagFest, too. Since they are positively vibrating with eagerness to torture Muslims in Jesus's name, they have no problem with a few budgetary indiscretions related to a pro-torture hero's natural right to fulfull his manly needs.

Posted by: bluestatedon on December 1, 2007 at 9:47 AM | PERMALINK

Rudy's rationale about speeding up reimbursement seems perfectly valid. After all, if the city's police dept is inefficient, what else can the Mayor do?

Posted by: Isaac Hill on December 1, 2007 at 10:56 AM | PERMALINK

I'm not surprised to see this sort of stuff coming out of the woodwork. Guiliani is leading in the polls because he started with a national reputation, but I think as voters learn more about the candidates, Romney will get the nomination. Romney is stiff and he has flip-flopped on some key issues, but I'm confident that there aren't any skeletons in his closet.

Posted by: ex-liberal on December 1, 2007 at 11:03 AM | PERMALINK

Hey, patrick, thanks for bringing up the Lategano affair. One of my favorite all-time quotes comes from an article at the time about Rudy and Christine. Seems someone (maybe Donna Hanover) walked into Rudy's office and found him "dick-deep" in Lategano. Don't know why, but I always found that expression hilarious!

Posted by: phoebes on December 1, 2007 at 11:37 AM | PERMALINK

Such a lovely scandal, and couldn't happen to a nicer guy. Also to be appreciated for the way it feeds the Republican=Corrupt meme the GOP has been nurturing so diligently these last 7 years or so. Having Rudy cruising along up at the front of their pack for a good while before this came out tends to cast a pall over the whole lot of 'em. Rudy's rampant Bushism--9/11 all the time, promoting incompetent cronies prized only for their loyalty, nest feathering, using devious methods to keep what should be public records deep out of sight, hiding behind "security concerns" when you're caught red handed, clamming up in the face of legitimate inquiry and oversight--makes it just shout "Republican" all the louder.

Haven't heard any national commentators remark on this aspect. "Rudy's problems are his own," will I'm sure be the prevalent view. But let's not kid ourselves: this is a nice big blot on the GOP brand. He's already been held up and praised by lots of big media people both openly GOP and not, especially after being the twinkle in FOX-Murdoch's eye for the last several months. Whole lotta splatter to this particular gob of mud.

Posted by: DrBB on December 1, 2007 at 12:10 PM | PERMALINK

Romney is stiff and he has flip-flopped on some key issues, but I'm confident that there aren't any skeletons in his closet.

Nope, no skeletons. Just undergarments.

Posted by: Modle62 on December 1, 2007 at 12:20 PM | PERMALINK

Isaac Hill: "Rudy's rationale about speeding up reimbursement seems perfectly valid. After all, if the city's police dept is inefficient, what else can the Mayor do?"

Yeah, the NYPD is so inefficient that hundreds of its officers were killed on 9/11. Is that what you're insinuating?

I'm getting rather tired of people refusing to own up to their own culpability regarding our current problems, preferring instead to always blame others.

This time, the whipping post of choice is the supposed "inefficiency" of anonymous government employees -- the vast majority of whom are honest and hard-working individuals who perform their tasks in an exemplary manner. It's a patently dishonest and disingenuous slur.

You want to read about how "efficient" the private sector can be, check this story out. A 92-year-old woman was efficiently fleeced of over $600,000 of her life savings by a bank manager, and the bank just as efficiently tried to cover up the theft to save itself what its president felt would be unnecessary public embarrassment.

Posted by: Donald from Hawaii, & currently in Chicago on December 1, 2007 at 12:24 PM | PERMALINK

Huck!

Posted by: Kyle on December 1, 2007 at 12:29 PM | PERMALINK

ex-liberal: "Romney is stiff and he has flip-flopped on some key issues, but I'm confident that there aren't any skeletons in his closet."

Well, there is that little matter of Mr. Romney strapping his dog to the luggage rack of the family automobile for a 12-hour drive from Boston to Ontario, Canada. Granted, it was some time ago, but one can legitimately ask what that incident reveals about his personal judgment.

Posted by: Donald from Hawaii, & currently in Chicago on December 1, 2007 at 12:32 PM | PERMALINK

No matter what a Republican candidate does in his personal life, it should in no way be construed as a reflection on his character or a predictor of his behavior as a future President.

Even a sneeze of a Dem candidate, on the other hand, shows that he has disdain for America and the humanity at large.

Posted by: gregor on December 1, 2007 at 1:10 PM | PERMALINK

I detect a trend here. Seems the repugnacans have worked extra hard to dig up dirt on the demoncrats over the years. Yet the repugnacans are the ones who are filthy, and think they are "above the law."

-I have a wide stance

-the NYPD is slow to reimburse funds to my loyal bguards.

-God told me to take out Sadaam.

etc.

Rudy is clearly a guy who thinks public funds should be available for his own pubic fun!

Posted by: Tom Nicholson on December 1, 2007 at 1:45 PM | PERMALINK

Judy Nathan took full use of her free ride .
...A source involved with the mayor's operations at the time tells CBS 2 HD that Nathan took flagrant advantage of that police car and driver.
The source says Nathan forced police to chauffeur her friends and family around the city -- even when she wasn't in the car.
That set off alarms with ethics watchdogs.
"The rules are clear, you can't use city resources for private reasons," said Gene Russianoff of the New York Public Interest Research Group. "And if you're using a city car, a police driven car to chauffeur around relatives, unless they're explicitly protected and their deemed to be the subject of potential security threats, it's just wrong." ...

Judy Judy Judy

Posted by: Mike on December 1, 2007 at 2:47 PM | PERMALINK

Thanks for the cite, Donald. I hadn't realized that Ana Marie Cox now writes for Time. She's moved up in the world since the days when she first became known for writing about anal sex on her blog.

Posted by: ex-liberal on December 1, 2007 at 3:08 PM | PERMALINK

You seem to be rather familiar with Wonkette's butt sex days, huh Ex-lax?

I cannot imagine for the life of me why you would know that. Cannot at all. No sir.

Posted by: ex-lax on December 1, 2007 at 3:41 PM | PERMALINK

I'm trying to figure out why 'butt-sex' fits into a discussion of Rudy Guliani's past corruptions? Personally, I could give a good god damn if Ana Marie Cox wrote about the sex lives of the Village People, if she writes the truth now, who the fuck cares?
Of course, I have no idea who this person is, and since she's media, she's almost certainly another right-wing joke of a reporter/columnist. Sorry, I honestly don't know for sure. However, I get sick the concept that if someone does something slightly outre` in the past, that that disqualifies and discredits everything they do forever and ever, but only if it doesn't fall in line with the conservative party line.

Posted by: Aaron on December 1, 2007 at 5:58 PM | PERMALINK

Of course the big secret is that while you all think that he is frantically criss-crossing the States to drum up support, he's actually schtupping for America. So much less chance of embarassing meetings if you keep your women in different States.

Posted by: Jim on December 1, 2007 at 6:50 PM | PERMALINK

but I'm confident that there aren't any skeletons in his closet.

Ah, but what about wetsuits?

Posted by: craigie on December 1, 2007 at 8:40 PM | PERMALINK

Kevin, every thing you rite may be tru, but, givin September eleven, we shood let bigones be bigones and instede look a head to the future. Buy the way, where ever Al went too, I hope he is glad too be their, I now I wood be. If he we"re hear, he nodd. You no me Al.

Posted by: Americas Mayer (F*ck yeah!!!) on December 2, 2007 at 5:46 AM | PERMALINK

Typo watch, instede of saying:

"givin September eleven"

I ment too say "giving September Eleven"

Notice the g and the capitol E, much more sofistickated this way.

Posted by: Americas Mayer (F*ck yeah!!!) on December 2, 2007 at 5:49 AM | PERMALINK

The photos of Rudy dressed as a Rockette! (shudder) Once your average red-meat American see those, it will be all over for the Manhattan Mussolini.

Posted by: Speed on December 2, 2007 at 10:32 AM | PERMALINK

Can't we all just agree to lay off poor Rudy for another eleven months -- so we can kick his ass next November?

Posted by: Kenji on December 3, 2007 at 2:07 AM | PERMALINK

I'm trying to figure out why 'butt-sex' fits into a discussion of Rudy Guliani's past corruptions? Personally, I could give a good god damn if Ana Marie Cox wrote about the sex lives of the Village People, if she writes the truth now, who the fuck cares?
Of course, I have no idea who this person is, and since she's media, she's almost certainly another right-wing joke of a reporter/columnist. Sorry, I honestly don't know for sure. However, I get sick the concept that if someone does something slightly outre` in the past, that that disqualifies and discredits everything they do forever and ever, but only if it doesn't fall in line with the conservative party line.

Posted by: Soma on December 13, 2007 at 1:49 AM | PERMALINK




 

 

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