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December 5, 2007
By: Kevin Drum

LA LA LA LA LA....How did Fox News cover the bombshell NIE on Iran? Steve Benen provides a wrapup.

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Apparently Mike Huckabee watches Fox News when he isn't reading his bible.

Posted by: corpus juris on December 5, 2007 at 2:33 PM | PERMALINK

Kevin, my question is just this:
"Look, you guys were wrong in your reporting during the last several years, and yet there is no sort of self-examination on your part, or critical reasoning improvement. We understand your network has an intelligently-lazy inclination towards this administration, as well as an inability to do real journalism in light of your performance, so why is it that you should still have your job?"

Posted by: Boorring on December 5, 2007 at 2:37 PM | PERMALINK

War: the only force that gives life meaning.

Posted by: Gore/Edwards 08 on December 5, 2007 at 2:38 PM | PERMALINK

If ignorance is bliss, Fox News viewers are ecstatic!

Posted by: RobertSeattle on December 5, 2007 at 2:42 PM | PERMALINK

Just like the liberal media sat on the Clinton scandals.

Posted by: gregor on December 5, 2007 at 2:42 PM | PERMALINK

And what "Clinton scandals" might that be? You mean like the NY Times on Whitewater? Wen Ho Lee?
What liberal media?

Posted by: MaxGowan on December 5, 2007 at 3:06 PM | PERMALINK

Iran: The Ticking Bomb

I've got this figured out finally. These folks can't get enough firecrackers to satisfy them. Fireworks, guns, bombs, atomic weapons. BOOM! It's an addiction. They just want to see stuff blow up.

Posted by: Doc at the Radar Station on December 5, 2007 at 3:38 PM | PERMALINK

The Cable News Channel execs are probably all bummed out that a war with Iran won't come about. They've probably got it figured into the profits for 2008. What will they do!

Posted by: Doc at the Radar Station on December 5, 2007 at 3:40 PM | PERMALINK

Is there some way they can blame Clinton? That seems to be their "get out of jail free" card.

Posted by: Joshua Norton on December 5, 2007 at 4:04 PM | PERMALINK

And what "Clinton scandals" might that be?

You know, all the people murdered by the Clintons that Norm is frothing about in Kevin's post on Dumond. The liberal media covered up like a rug on that one.

Posted by: tomeck on December 5, 2007 at 4:06 PM | PERMALINK

The last days of the Vichy government are often characterized as a theatre of the absurd. When the facade of the puppet government finally came down it revealed the strange alternative reality of fascism. The government bureaucracy treated lies as truth and war as peace, just as Orwell taught us, but more than that it operated as if ideology and propaganda were the basis for reality, reality being merely an obstacle of power, and everyone followed along as if nothing were amiss. We are coming to point when Americans begin to realize the emperor has no clothes, that all the truths were merely propaganda, and they have been led by the most absurd fantasists.

Posted by: bellumregio on December 5, 2007 at 4:29 PM | PERMALINK

I'm unclear what Kevin Drum and Steve Benen are complaining about. The NIE story was covered on day one by the one straight news show of the four he mentioned and covered the next day by the news analysis shows.

Benen didn't mention FoxNews's two other daily news shows with Shepard Smith. I would guess that if Smith had failed to cover the story Benen might have included them. I would also guess that the story was covered in the crawl. In short, it seems that the story was probably covered on day one by three news shows and throughout that day in the crawl.

The comments Benen quotes are all reasonable ones. Some doubt is certainly appropriate, because of the CIA's poor past record in Iraq. According to the New York Times, even the UN's IAEA is skeptical of the NIE report.

Apparently nobody mentioned the right wing paranoid theory that the report is part of an anti-Bush plot by certain people in the CIA.

Nor did they mention that left-wing paranoid theory that President Bush has long known about the revision in the NIE evaluation, but he has been deliberately lying about it.

BTW Mort Kondracke may be more conservative than Steve Benen, but he is not a conservative in the usual sense.

Posted by: ex-liberal on December 5, 2007 at 5:04 PM | PERMALINK

NPR didn't do so great either. The story came on at 20 minutes after the hour on On Things Considered. The World, which comes next on my local station, had it as the lead story. By then the NYTimes online had it on top too.

Posted by: David Siegel on December 5, 2007 at 5:05 PM | PERMALINK

Shorter KD on Fox News: Waaaaah!

Posted by: Brian on December 5, 2007 at 5:09 PM | PERMALINK

BTW Mort Kondracke may be more conservative than Steve Benen, but he is not a conservative in the usual sense.

Why not, did he tell the truth once?

Posted by: ckelly on December 5, 2007 at 5:14 PM | PERMALINK

Like the networks are better. They seem to serve up nothing but PC stuff, black news, and updates on breast cancer.

Posted by: Luther on December 5, 2007 at 5:19 PM | PERMALINK

Apparently nobody mentioned the right wing paranoid theory that the report is part of an anti-Bush plot by certain people in the CIA.

Ummm yes it was mentioned - go read. But thanks for admitting that it is rightwing paranoia.

Posted by: ckelly on December 5, 2007 at 5:21 PM | PERMALINK

Why. Do. These. People. Still. Stay. On?
Again, it's not like their comments are going to be unpredictable, it's not like they are going to learn from the experience, so why should they keep their jobs ill-informing the public?

Posted by: Boorring on December 5, 2007 at 5:59 PM | PERMALINK

@ Boorring #2

...so why is it that you should still have your job?

Because there's a market of willfully ignorant people who are willing to watch such "news" (and hence, pay for cable that includes it and watch the ads that come with it) rather than get facts from the "liberal" media. As long as they don't libel anyone, and as long as it makes money (although their ratings may have been down lately), they can run all the statist propaganda they want. Who's going to stop them?

I'm not sure why there aren't more advertiser (and for that matter, cable provider) boycotts, though. In my opinion by supporting this trash with their advertising, these corporations are declaring that they're not really that interested in the market made of people possessing critical thinking skills. Since I fall in that market in which they're not interested, I probably shouldn't reward them with my business.

Posted by: Philip the Equal Opportunity Cynic on December 5, 2007 at 6:04 PM | PERMALINK

It just amazes me that these handful of talking heads, who were so wrong in the past, and show no hope of calibrating themselves, are still going to go on flapping their lips for several years with the same line of thought that has mis-directed them in the past.

Merit-based employment is not their strong suit, I guess. But then again, look who they support.

Posted by: Boorring on December 5, 2007 at 8:36 PM | PERMALINK

Why does the NIE hate America? If you read or agree with the NIE you are supporting the terrorists.
I heard the NIE was written by illegal muslim immigrants who work for Hillary and are related to Obama!

Posted by: cboas on December 5, 2007 at 8:40 PM | PERMALINK

It's all about carrots and sticks. The conservative movement simply says that if you support us, we will reward you, if you oppose us, we will punish you. That's why big business bolsters the regime like it does. Remember, everything that conservatives accuse liberals of, is exactly what conservatives are guilty of:
The liberal media accusation being first and foremost. This came before media outlets were bought wholesale by conglomerates that now serve up endless conservative propaganda. One of the places that benefits from those wholesale tax cuts for the ultra-wealthy.
Conservatives have also accused the dems of using public aid as a means of buying votes from the poor masses using public money. Conservatives dangle carrots in front of media companies to pump opinion forming propaganda to the public masses, while stifling other outlets.
The whitehouse also subtly threatened intellegance gatherers in the pentagon with their jobs if they didn't produce evidence that supported preconceived foreign policy.
Conservatives often label democrats as being 'whimps' and defeatists, saying they are unable to make the tough calls. The toughest calls of our time requiring the most political will have been completely ignored by the republicans. Global warming and trade deficits spring to mind. I won't mention stagflation, since the republican party seems to actively pursue policies which create it.
In my humble opinion, there is not a single thing that democrats have been accused of that the republicans are not even MORE guilty of, once the lies, misdirection, and echo chamber have been removed.


Posted by: Aaron on December 6, 2007 at 7:35 AM | PERMALINK

Lately the whole Murdock rag thing is, well, full of complete deceit. I mean, what with TIME publishing completely falsehoods about the FISA bill, so why would anyone want to bother with FOX?

If you're the 20% of Bushite hardcore, and you want to be lied too, need to be lied too, than watch FOX News.

I think it's half way decent of NYT to try to establish a little different pattern of reporting since firing Judith Miller, but still we have no news service that really hits this administration hard the way reporters used to prior to the Bush coronation. There really is room out there for a serious news service and it is just too bad USATODAY didn't step up to the plate. I really think all the talk about how newsprint is dead would go away if we had even one newspaper that serously dedicated itself to real, hard research, actually journalistic excellence. BUT since we have Murdock buying up the big guys and lying about everything, I see there certainly room out there for upstart of little guys that want to make golden, sterling reputations for reporting, the kind of news service once only produced by WP an NYT but longer in their realm nor their desire. There has to be a number of journalist who want to be real journalist, want to do their jobs, want to report the truth and not just take dictation like Walter Pincus or Dan Balz. Those guys are merely waiting for someone else to do their jobs these days.

Posted by: Me_again on December 6, 2007 at 7:49 AM | PERMALINK

"ex-liberal" wrote: that left-wing paranoid theory that President Bush has long known about the revision in the NIE evaluation, but he has been deliberately lying about it

Bullshit as usual, you lying neocon toad.

Posted by: Gregory on December 6, 2007 at 9:17 AM | PERMALINK




 

 

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