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December 6, 2007
By: Kevin Drum

HUCKABEE AND THE NIE....Last night I wrote an email to a friend about Mike Huckabee and Wayne Dumond:

What's actually a little weird is that this is going to get a lot attention, whereas the fact that he hadn't even heard of the Iran NIE by Tuesday night won't....But honestly, the NIE thing is genuinely disqualifying for a presidential candidate. It wasn't a gotcha question. Huckabee just hadn't heard about it and didn't care.

But maybe I'm too cynical! Maybe the press will pick up on this. For starters, here's Huckabee feebly lying about the whole thing on today's Morning Joe:

Well, I don't blame my staff. It is a situation where a report was released at 10:00 in the morning, the president hadn't seen it in four years and I'm supposed to see it four hours later.

No. The NIE was released Monday morning. He was asked about it Tuesday evening. That's two days. Two days in which the NIE was on the front page of every newspaper; it was blanketing cable TV, talk radio, and the blogosphere; and the president of the United States addressed its conclusions in a press conference. It was blockbuster news on one of the most important foreign policy issues of the campaign and Huckabee didn't even know about it.

If this were just an attempt to play gotcha with Huckabee, that would be one thing. But it wasn't. It was an ordinary question from a reporter who assumed — rightfully — that any serious candidate for president of the United States would keep up with news like this and have something to say about it. Huckabee didn't.

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Kevin,

Just becaused you are obsessed with the NIE doesn't mean everyone else has to be.

Posted by: Yancey Ward on December 6, 2007 at 2:42 PM | PERMALINK

Huckabee seems to believe that there's no political problem that can't be solved with a bald-faced lie.

He reminds me of somebody.

Posted by: frankly0 on December 6, 2007 at 2:42 PM | PERMALINK

Just becaused you are obsessed with the NIE doesn't mean everyone else has to be.

Yeah, why should that concern some hick politician from Arkansas? Of course, if he were running for President, that'd be a different matter.

Posted by: frankly0 on December 6, 2007 at 2:44 PM | PERMALINK

What's actually a little weird is that this is going to get a lot attention, whereas the fact that he hadn't even heard of the Iran NIE by Tuesday night won't....But honestly, the NIE thing is genuinely disqualifying for a presidential candidate.

It is, yes.

You don't think that personally pushing for the release of a convicted rapist whose other victims had personally begged you not to free him, who had participated in a previous murder but pleaded out after testifying against his accomplices, and whose release allowed him to murder two more people--all because you wanted to stick it to Bill Clinton--should also be genuinely disqualifying?

Posted by: shortstop on December 6, 2007 at 2:45 PM | PERMALINK

Just becaused you are obsessed with the NIE doesn't mean everyone else has to be.

Yancey's right. It's not like this is the first time Bush has baldfaced lied in order to make an unjustified attack on another country that murders thousands upon thousands. Where is the newsworthiness, I say?

Posted by: shortstop on December 6, 2007 at 2:47 PM | PERMALINK

Every Republican running for President has disqualifiers. In the land of the blind, George Bush is King.

Posted by: reino on December 6, 2007 at 2:49 PM | PERMALINK

But honestly, the NIE thing is genuinely disqualifying for a presidential candidate.

You know, there's more than one thing that's genuinely disqualifying for a Presidential candidate.

The real difference is that the NIE business disqualifies Huckabee as President. The Dumond affair disqualifies Huckabee as President, Governor, dog catcher, preacher, and human being.

Posted by: frankly0 on December 6, 2007 at 2:50 PM | PERMALINK

Just becaused you are obsessed with the NIE doesn't mean everyone else has to be.

Yeah, why should the question of whether Iran is or is not pursuing nuclear weapons concern someone who wants to be commander-in-chief of the armed forces of the United Stat....oh, wait.

Posted by: Stefan on December 6, 2007 at 2:59 PM | PERMALINK

Huck's appealing to a demographic that doesn't give a shit about things like Iran's nukes (or lack thereof).

If his supporters like that he doesn't believe in evolution, you think they're going to give a damn what he thinks of some inside-baseball-y thing like the NIE?

Posted by: Auto on December 6, 2007 at 2:59 PM | PERMALINK

Actually, I'm prepared to believe that a Presidential candidate on a whirlwind schedule might have a little trouble keeping up with the media noise machine. The Dumond affair, however, was a considered action taken in his professional capacity as Governor - far more reflective of his (bad) judgment, in my view.

Posted by: Virginia on December 6, 2007 at 3:02 PM | PERMALINK

And I wrote about this here:
http://steveaudio.blogspot.com/2007/12/dont-look-to-me-for-answers-dont-ask-me.html

Posted by: SteveAudio on December 6, 2007 at 3:06 PM | PERMALINK

That's two days. Two days in which the NIE was on the front page of every newspaper; it was blanketing cable TV, talk radio, and the blogosphere

Ah - but were they discussing it on The 700 Club?

Posted by: Blue Girl, Red State (aka G.C.) on December 6, 2007 at 3:10 PM | PERMALINK

I found it highly disconcerting, and knew he had more than a couple of hours to find out about it.

Now, whether it's more a question of him not caring, or more of his idiocy, I'm not sure.

But, then again, you could say that about the Republican crop in general, couldn't you?

Posted by: SocraticGadfly on December 6, 2007 at 3:13 PM | PERMALINK

"Well, I don't blame my staff. It is a situation where a report was released at 10:00 in the morning, the president hadn't seen it in four years and I'm supposed to see it four hours later."

Interesting defense to claim that he's not at fault becuase the leader of his own party, the man Republicans twice nominated for the presidency, is even more ravingly incompetent. Really does make you want to run out and elect another Republican, doesn't it?

Posted by: Stefan on December 6, 2007 at 3:13 PM | PERMALINK

Just remember Huckleberry (or the Huckster as he is known in Arkansas) will always lie if it suits his purpose. Not at all like Bush, Guliani, Romney or TanCredo (which is Latin for "I believe Brown")

Posted by: marcs sobel on December 6, 2007 at 3:16 PM | PERMALINK

It was an ordinary question from a reporter who assumed — rightfully — that any serious candidate for president of the United States would keep up with news like this and have something to say about it. Huckabee didn't.

Well you certainly can't blame the guy for thinking he can pursue the Republican nomination without having to actually know stuff, but it is refreshing to see that, this election cycle, at least one reporter isn't giving a free pass to the folksy Southerner who lacks knowledge & curiosity about policy.

Posted by: junebug on December 6, 2007 at 3:16 PM | PERMALINK

Hey Blue Girl,

They weren't discussing it on Fox news either.

Posted by: Blue guy on December 6, 2007 at 3:16 PM | PERMALINK

I'd bet that if you did a survey of random citizens a plurality wouldn't know anything about the NIE. Now the status of the latest missing white Peterson woman, or even which way Hillary parts her hair- those are important topics to know about!

Besides the qualification for the job is all about who I'd like to sit down and have a beer with. It has nothing to do with whether he keeps up with important policy related events -or even has dedicated staff to follow them for him. That would be just too un-authentic!

Posted by: bigTom on December 6, 2007 at 3:30 PM | PERMALINK

Facts, schmacts. All that matters is that God and Huck love each other!

Posted by: Gore/Edwards 08 on December 6, 2007 at 3:34 PM | PERMALINK

Besides the qualification for the job is all about who I'd like to sit down and have a beer with.

Especially if the candidate, like Bush, is an alcoholic.

Posted by: Stefan on December 6, 2007 at 3:40 PM | PERMALINK

Mike Huckabee is quickly learning that the frontrunner's life isn't always an easy one. After first brushing off questions Tuesday about his creationist beliefs, the former Arkansas Governor went on to display complete ignorance of the new National Intelligence Estimate on Iran now dominating the news and debate in Washington. But while Huckabee might be excused for being a foreign policy neophyte, the former Baptist minister is an old hand when it comes to promoting creationism at the expense of evolution in the nation's public schools.

For the details, see:
"Huckabee Proclaims Ignorance of Iran NIE, Evolution."

Posted by: Angry on December 6, 2007 at 3:48 PM | PERMALINK

Ah, Kevin.

So because Huckebee isn't a poindexterish foreign policy wonk, we're all supposed to disqualify him?

Sorry, Drum, that doesn't fly in the America I know. The America I know wants a manager as President. Someone with charisma, leadership and managment knowhow. Don't want an overly scripted robot. Don't want a Poindexter. We want someone who isn't afraid t

Posted by: egbert on December 6, 2007 at 3:49 PM | PERMALINK

The NIE is only relevant to those who believe it.

We have a sitting president who claims that "god" tells him what to do, not the polls, not Karl, not Cheyney.

Why shouldn't the Repugnacans field a clueless dimwit for the next preznut?

But then again, the Demoncrats are not all that awe-inspiring either.

Folks trashed Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton. Yet those two guys cared about science and actually were rather smart.

We need a sharp and skeptical mind in the oval office.

Now we have neither.

Posted by: Tom Nicholson on December 6, 2007 at 3:50 PM | PERMALINK

Especially if the candidate, like Bush, is an alcoholic.

I pointed out that little bit of cognitive dissonance in 2000, and was called a moron and a "baby killing c*&#"

Posted by: Blue Girl, Red State (aka G.C.) on December 6, 2007 at 3:52 PM | PERMALINK

Wait, was this the most recent NIE on the Soviet Union?

Where's my oatmeal?
.

Posted by: Fred Thompson on December 6, 2007 at 3:57 PM | PERMALINK

Don't want a Poindexter

egbert wants no one any smarter than he is.

Which narrows the field considerably, eliminating at a stroke the entire ordo Primates.

Posted by: Davis X. Machina on December 6, 2007 at 3:58 PM | PERMALINK

Huckebee isn't a poindexterish foreign policy wonk

Which admittedly is encouraging, given Adm. Poindexter's multiple felony convictions in the Iran-Contra affair, and subsequent service in the Bush administration in charge of DARPA. But somehow I suspect that's not what you meant . . .

Posted by: rea on December 6, 2007 at 4:00 PM | PERMALINK

Why is no one asking the more important question: why aren't Democrats starting impeachment proceedings?

Posted by: Augustus on December 6, 2007 at 4:00 PM | PERMALINK

So because Huckebee isn't a poindexterish foreign policy wonk, we're all supposed to disqualify him?

Yes. (This has been another edition of satsq...h/t atrios)

Posted by: Blue Girl, Red State (aka G.C.) on December 6, 2007 at 4:00 PM | PERMALINK

For such a pious Christian, Mike Huckabee sure seems ever the consummate bullshit artist.

And speaking of disingenuous religiosity, what the hell was up with Mitt Romney's "my faith is the faith of my fathers" speech this morning, where he was supposed to address people's concerns about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints? Instead, he mentioned Islamic jihadism more than his own Mormonism.

Are these fuckin' clowns God's idea of playing a sick practical joke on our country?

Posted by: Donald from Hawaii on December 6, 2007 at 4:01 PM | PERMALINK

In the land of the blind, George Bush is King. Posted by: reino at 2:49 PM

I would respectfully disagree. In the land of the blind, George Bush is still a fucking moron.

And egbert...Huckebee isn't a poindexterish foreign policy wonk You're right, why would we want a President who pays attention to the world? Having a strong ignorant leader is working out so well.

Posted by: thersites on December 6, 2007 at 4:01 PM | PERMALINK

Are these fuckin' clowns God's idea of playing a sick practical joke on our country?

Someone has to ask: why does God hate America?

Posted by: thersites on December 6, 2007 at 4:02 PM | PERMALINK

I believe if I'm interpreting this correctly is that Egbert wants the U.S to be more reflective of the movie idiocracy.

Posted by: Gandalf on December 6, 2007 at 4:05 PM | PERMALINK

egbert: "Ah, Kevin."

Ah, egbert, you little reich-wing wuss. This blog is for serious people only. now, get lost before I do something to make you cry.

Posted by: Donald from Hawaii, the terror of Mrs. Fordham's 5th grade class on December 6, 2007 at 4:12 PM | PERMALINK

I believe if I'm interpreting this correctly is that Egbert wants the U.S to be more reflective of the movie idiocracy.

Don't forget the electrolytes. Plants crave 'em, you know.

Posted by: Blue Girl, Red State (aka G.C.) on December 6, 2007 at 4:21 PM | PERMALINK

Blue Girl, Red State: " pointed out that little bit of cognitive dissonance in 2000, and was called a moron and a 'baby killing c*&#'"

For those about to rock, we salute you.

Posted by: Donald from Hawaii, holding up a lit cigarette lighter in tribute on December 6, 2007 at 4:21 PM | PERMALINK

Thanks Donald! I don't think I ever shot pool in that bar again.

Posted by: Blue Girl, Red State (aka G.C.) on December 6, 2007 at 4:24 PM | PERMALINK

. . . I was called a moron and a "baby killing c*&#" Posted by: Blue Girl, Red State (aka G.C.)

Funny, I thought c*&#"s, when used correctly, were only capable of shriveling cocks.

Posted by: JeffII on December 6, 2007 at 5:00 PM | PERMALINK

If you want to use the NIE report to determine who is "qualified" to be president, it will be the first candidate that can clearly state what techical capability is the most difficult to achieve in order to make a nuclear weapon, and that candidate will be able to tell you what the NIE report had to say about Iran in this regard.

However, to clarify my first comment- I was making fun of Kevin for his multiple posts every day on this topic, not really excusing Huckabee's lack of information.

Posted by: Yancey Ward on December 6, 2007 at 5:22 PM | PERMALINK

I got a problem with Huckabee turning a violent criminal loose on the say-so of deranged Clinton haters. Not having an immediate opinion on the NIE, not so much. Wanting him to produce a take on the spot, no doubt in the hope that a gaffe will ensue, smacks of Russertism to me.

Posted by: kth on December 6, 2007 at 5:24 PM | PERMALINK

There was nothing in the Bah-bull about any NIE. Why you libruls heat on people o' faith?
.

Posted by: Grand Moff Texan on December 6, 2007 at 5:35 PM | PERMALINK

Wanting him to produce a take on the spot, no doubt in the hope that a gaffe will ensue, smacks of Russertism to me. Posted by: kth

Riiiight. Just what we need - another president who doesn't know what the fuck is going on in world. I guess you've forgotten that Shrub didn't know who the dicta, er, I mean leader of Pakistan was in 2000, and now he's writing him multi-million dollar rent checks every month.

While Huckabee has a lot on his plate running for president and all, it also reflects poorly on his staff that didn't have it under his nose the minute it became public.

Posted by: JeffII on December 6, 2007 at 5:38 PM | PERMALINK

I got a problem with Huckabee turning a violent criminal loose on the say-so of deranged Clinton haters.

You and me both. This is a position held by everyone in northwest Missouri.

Posted by: Blue Girl, Red State (aka G.C.) on December 6, 2007 at 5:43 PM | PERMALINK

Why you libruls heat on people o' faith?

Self-answering question, GMT. ;)

Posted by: Blue Girl, Red State (aka G.C.) on December 6, 2007 at 5:44 PM | PERMALINK

Blue Girl: was called a moron and a "baby killing c*&#"

c*&#? We're taking away your foul-mouthed blogger certificate!

Posted by: thersites on December 6, 2007 at 5:45 PM | PERMALINK

If bush has known since early 2007 Iran had no nuke program, why are there still 3 carrier groups sitting in the gulf???

Posted by: tin foil on December 6, 2007 at 5:59 PM | PERMALINK

Maybe he only watches Fox News...

Posted by: Charles on December 6, 2007 at 6:06 PM | PERMALINK

Really, is there NOTHING these pigs won't stoop to? The rapist DuMond was released to make a point about the Clintons--i.e., that since the Clintons are subhuman, what he did was no worse than humping a dog. These people really need to be rounded up and sent to Antarctica or someplace. They have forfeited their right to U.S. citizenship.

Posted by: jprichva on December 6, 2007 at 6:29 PM | PERMALINK

Why would Huckabee need to know about the NIE? He's only talking to his own audience. He's literally not talking to anyone who might be curious about it or whose mind might be changed by it.

Posted by: Frank Wilhoit on December 6, 2007 at 7:15 PM | PERMALINK

I think Huck has been greatly distracted with damage control meetings regarding Wayne Dumond lately, don't you think?

Posted by: Doc at the Radar Station on December 6, 2007 at 7:17 PM | PERMALINK

Mike was talking to Jesus, do not disturb.

Posted by: SqueakyRat on December 6, 2007 at 7:52 PM | PERMALINK

It's even worse. When the reporter explained to Huckabee what the NIE said, Huckabee's response suggested that he had no idea what an NIE was, i.e., the official conclusions of our entire intelligence community. So, he not only doesn't glance at the morning paper while he's getting dressed, he doesn't even really get how our intelligence process works.

Posted by: biggerbox on December 6, 2007 at 8:29 PM | PERMALINK

o complete a sentence.

Posted by: egbert on December 6, 2007 at 9:09 PM | PERMALINK

Heekaboo, I see you.

Posted by: Luther on December 6, 2007 at 10:44 PM | PERMALINK

Its ironic that Wayne Dumond would end up being an issue in not one but two presidential campaigns by Arkansas governors!

Huckabee is about a mile wide and an inch deep...the rest of the country are just beginning to see what we in Arkansas have known for at least 11 years now.

Posted by: NoZe on December 6, 2007 at 11:29 PM | PERMALINK

The day before the NIE mess blew up I thought Huckabee was the strongest Republican candidate. I still think that he is the strongest of the Republican candidates, but any of those morons pull more than single digits in the general we ought to kick ourselves for nominating Hillary. Next year nobody is kicking ass but Democrats.

Posted by: corpus juris on December 6, 2007 at 11:29 PM | PERMALINK

Everyone knows that there are only a handful of ways to derail a presidential campaign: Acknowledged Adultery, Microphone Mishaps, Public Perspiration, Rapist Recidivism, military service, and participating in sports that provide stupid metaphors for the campaign commercials of ones opponents. Not only that, but presidential candidates and cable news pundits continue to lower the bar every four years. By the year 2060 we'll be lucky if we don't accidentally elect a monkey.

Posted by: B on December 7, 2007 at 12:01 AM | PERMALINK

By the year 2060 we'll be lucky if we do accidentally elect a monkey.

Posted by: thersites on December 7, 2007 at 12:21 AM | PERMALINK

Isn't there a monkey in the White House now?

Posted by: jcricket on December 7, 2007 at 1:46 AM | PERMALINK

He's a chimpanzee, actually. Close, but no, um, cigar.

Posted by: Kenji on December 7, 2007 at 1:56 AM | PERMALINK

Huckabee is some kind of weird hybrid of fiscal conservative and social liberal (except on abortion). I can almost agree with his views on social justice issues (feeding the hungry, universal health care, etc.), but he also supports war and the death penalty and unfettered capitalism.

The fact Huckabee hadn't even heard of this highly damning NIE (which should be Exhibit A in Bush's impeachment trial) isn't surprising to me. Given his proclivity for picking and choosing positions, some that directly contradict one another, I am not surprised that hard news that runs counter to his sensibilities would not be processed by his tiny brain. He is a very confused and conflicted man...

Posted by: The Conservative Deflator on December 7, 2007 at 6:40 AM | PERMALINK

However, to clarify my first comment- I was making fun of Kevin for his multiple posts every day on this topic

I'm sure it's very ruggedly individualistic of you to find the attention paid to the Bush Administration's trying to mislead the nation into yet another war, and Huckabee's claimed ignorance of the existence of the NIE, so all-fired amusing, Yancey.

Jackass.

Posted by: Gregory on December 7, 2007 at 10:17 AM | PERMALINK

TCD, The HuckMan isn't particularly weird as hybrids go--he's just pretty good at balancing sane and less-than in one cranium. He _is_ real thin-skinned, though; he gets defensive real quickly when prodded and tends to be pissy and to hold grudges. And to, ahem, quibble or prevaricate when in a corner. No, he wouldn't quite measure up to the West Point code. But he and John McCain may be the two least-unsavory candidates from That Party; in a just world, Dennis Kucinich could beat any of the others in a walk.

Posted by: dware on December 7, 2007 at 10:30 AM | PERMALINK

dware:

Agreed. I used to also respect John McCain, even though I didn't agree with many of his stances, just because he was brutally honest. However, he has lost that after he whored himself to George W. Bush in return for White House support. Now I don't respect McCain any more than those girls you see in Times Square, twirling a purse and wearing fishnet stockings.

Huckabee is a man who is confused about what it means to be a Christian, much like Bush himself. I think he may be crazier than a runover dog, and possibly, as dangerous if he became president. No, there really isn't any Republican I could currently vote for. I would rather move out of the country. Peace out.

TCD

Posted by: The Conservative Deflator on December 7, 2007 at 11:41 AM | PERMALINK

Huckabee is some kind of weird hybrid of fiscal conservative and social liberal (except on abortion). Posted by: The Conservative Deflator

Huckabee's a Southern Baptist minister without a real college degree, let alone any advance training or experience in foreign policy. He's barely qualified to be the mayor of small town let alone president of the U.S.

Posted by: JeffII on December 7, 2007 at 11:58 AM | PERMALINK

Agreed. I used to also respect John McCain, even though I didn't agree with many of his stances, just because he was brutally honest. However, he has lost that after he whored himself to George W. Bush in return for White House support. Posted by: The Conservative Deflator

Not unlike Huckabee, McCain is not particularly gifted and has no business conduction the "People's business."

Actually, he sold his soul to Shrub in 2004, supporting his bid for reelection, this after being Roved in the 2000 campaign. The final proof that he wasn't particularly independent or tough came when he caved to Shrub and Cheney on the torture issue. I can't quite imagine Chuck Hagel doing that.

The sooner McCain retires, the better for the nation.

Posted by: JeffII on December 7, 2007 at 12:26 PM | PERMALINK

Now I don't respect McCain any more than those girls you see in Times Square, twirling a purse and wearing fishnet stockings.

After Rudolph Giuliani cleaned up New York with his bare hands over the squeals of the liberal riffraff, the only fishnet-stockinged girls you see in Times Square are Rockettes doing promotions at 42nd and Broadway, pal!

Posted by: shortstop on December 7, 2007 at 12:37 PM | PERMALINK

I admit that Norman Rogers could have written mine of 12:37 far better than I did. He probably even has a few personal Rockette anecdotes. It goes without saying that he has hoor anecdotes aplenty.

Posted by: shortstop on December 7, 2007 at 12:38 PM | PERMALINK

Agreed. I used to also respect John McCain, even though I didn't agree with many of his stances, just because he was brutally honest. However, he has lost that after he whored himself to George W. Bush in return for White House support. Now I don't respect McCain any more than those girls you see in Times Square, twirling a purse and wearing fishnet stockings.

There's nothing honest about that Arizona disgrace. He is a betrayal of conservative values, not a paragon of them. With four other liberals, he was a member of the Keating Five and brought shame and disgrace to public office and the conservative movement.

His outrageous claims that he is a straight shooter should be met with howls of derision. He is a darling of the liberal media, nothing more.

As for those wonderful women who used to peruse Times Square, do not denigrate their memory by mocking them. Those women were the last bulwark against monstrous crime that we had in those days. Whenever a mugger would accost someone, it was invariably a working girl who who drop to one knee, pull out a gun, and shoot the mugger in the leg. It was true in those days--if you shot someone in the leg, it was NOT attempted murder.

I do agree that he has tried to be Bush's whore--only, not so successfully. Does he have lipstick traces on his cheeks? Does he wear enough rouge? I cannot tell, nor do I have the time to continue to lurk here and explain things to you.

Posted by: Norman Rogers on December 7, 2007 at 1:25 PM | PERMALINK

When is the next GOP debate? Huckabee's ignorance on arguably the most important national security news of the last year should be perfect fodder for Guiliani, and likely McCain as well.

Posted by: anoregonreader on December 7, 2007 at 1:59 PM | PERMALINK

Huckabee isn't fit to be a dogcatcher.

See also his drunken, dog-killing son, who didn't fall far from the tree.

Huckabee's so fake he had surgery to look skinny.


One can imagine what kind of comments he'll say about Fred Thompson's rent-a-boobs wife. He's basically 'going to do a Dubya' and be a spoiler for his own side if he doesn't get his way.

It's how fundies play it.

As for the thread subject,

He cannot admit to seeing it in news because the Jesus Fundie Flakes continue to be in denial about Israel's nukular proliferation and Iran's lack thereof.

Admission you see the NIE would be acknowledging that you've been lying your mouth off about another war to be started by Rummy and Cheney.

Face it, the Republicans are the Scopes Monkey trial version of both domestic and foreign policy. Ignorance(or acting so) is their common ancestor and the evidence is abundant.

Posted by: Mr.Murder on December 16, 2007 at 11:07 PM | PERMALINK




 

 

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