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December 11, 2007
By: Kevin Drum

HUCK TOUTS ZEC!....Over at ThinkProgress, they're highlighting the fact that both Fred Thompson and Mike Huckabee don't believe in global warming. It turns out that's not quite fair: they both cravenly evaded Katie Couric's question ("Do you think the risks of climate change are at all overblown?") by pleading ignorance, but they didn't outright deny that climate change is real. So that ruined the post I was planning to write on this subject.

However, it turns out I got something better. Mike Huckabee, believe it or not, has by far the most spectacular energy conservation plan of any presidential candidate in history, Democrat or Republican. Here it is:

I think we ought to be out there talking about ways to reduce energy consumption and waste. And we ought to declare that we will be free of energy consumption in this country within a decade, bold as that is.

That is bold! I sure hope his plan for getting to ZEC (zero energy consumption) doesn't have something to do with the end times.

Bonus question: what are the odds that Couric followed up on this howler? Slim or none?

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1 for None!

Posted by: leftie on December 11, 2007 at 6:49 PM | PERMALINK

Ouch. Not even as bright as GW Bush. And that is one LOW freaking bar.

Posted by: Sparko on December 11, 2007 at 6:53 PM | PERMALINK

Someone needs to school the fool on the laws of thermodynamics!

Posted by: Blue Girl, Red State (aka G.C.) on December 11, 2007 at 6:53 PM | PERMALINK

Nonsense BGRS, everybody knows that the scientists at the big motor companies have already developed the perpetual motion machine.

And they released it this fall - in the form
of Rudy Giuliani.

Posted by: optical weenie on December 11, 2007 at 6:56 PM | PERMALINK

I think this is what he meant - The neocons have decided it will be more economically efficient to burn bodies directly instead of sending our solders to the Middle East to exchange their blood for oil. Hence, war with Iran is an important part of our national energy policy.

The next great “breakthrough” will be a growing appreciation of the efficiencies that result from the burning of humans as fuel. This process allows the body's organic matter to directly contribute to the economic growth of society without the thousands of years that are needed to convert organic matter into oil reserves. The administration's current "blood-for-oil" policy will not sustain us.

The neocons are looking out for our well-being. The future is in burning the bodies of "undesirables" to allow the rest of us to prosper. Not only will there be benefits from harvesting the poor, infirmed, or elderly that result from the laws of thermo-science, the economic benefits and economies of scale that will result from consumption of humans for fuel add more value to the administrations policies.

Until people become useless to the ruling class, they participate in our economic system adding to the creation of wealth. When their economic usefulness no longer serves the needs of the ruling elite, we convert the surplus value of their labor into an energy commodity. The powerful interests that will benefit from this economically efficient production cannot be stopped - just consider it another example of "the-invisible hand" that guides our economy slapping you in the face.

Posted by: littlebear on December 11, 2007 at 7:00 PM | PERMALINK

Not satisfied with Armageddon, eh, and instead he's got his eye on entropy?

Posted by: Blue Girl's Better half on December 11, 2007 at 7:02 PM | PERMALINK

It's interesting to contrast Huckabee's level of intellectual incuriosity with Bush's.

Bush always had the pugnacious frat boy, "I already know what I know and don't see any reason to give it more thought" temperament.

Huckabee's ignorance has this more cheerful what the hell quality. He doesn't seem too worried that other people are into the science and all that, but he personally just really hasn't given the matter much thought given his greater interest in figuring out what Biblical positions on insurance claims, the flat tax and homosexuality.

Posted by: commentator on December 11, 2007 at 7:06 PM | PERMALINK

Far more interesting than making lame jokes about a stupid slip of the tongue would be exploring how Huckabee proposes to make us oil-independent in a decade.

Posted by: Hugh Gordon on December 11, 2007 at 7:09 PM | PERMALINK

It is an interesting contrast, isn't it? The republicans always like to compare themselves to Reagan, but Huckabee's the first GOP candidate in a long time to actually have an engaging personality - or at least he's not obviously an asshole. His expression is pure "sure I'm a dimwit, but what the heck, it's politics!" The NIE thing was a good example. Nope! I have no idea what you're talking about! Evidently gleeful plays well in the GOP primaries.

Posted by: pinson on December 11, 2007 at 7:14 PM | PERMALINK

Is anyone in the press going to ask Huck to confirm that he thinks the universe is a mere 6,000 years old? Just wondering...
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Posted by: Aris on December 11, 2007 at 7:16 PM | PERMALINK

"Far more interesting than making lame jokes about a stupid slip of the tongue would be exploring how Huckabee proposes to make us oil-independent in a decade."

100% independent? In a decade? A Republican? Hahaha.

Now, back to the lame jokes.

Posted by: scudbucket on December 11, 2007 at 7:17 PM | PERMALINK

Huckabee's ignorance has this more cheerful what the hell quality. He doesn't seem too worried that other people are into the science and all that, but he personally just really hasn't given the matter much thought given his greater interest in figuring out what Biblical positions on insurance claims, the flat tax and homosexuality.Posted by: commentator

Of course he doesn't care, he's a fucking Southern Baptist minister. He doesn't even have a real college degree for fuck sakes! The guy's barely qualified to be mayor of a small town.

Posted by: JeffII on December 11, 2007 at 7:29 PM | PERMALINK

And the nation's anorexics found a new hero.

Posted by: absent observe on December 11, 2007 at 7:37 PM | PERMALINK

Huckabee cracks me up. If an interviewer were to say, "Gee, Mr. Huckabee, a lot of Americans die every day in traffic accidents; what do you think could be done to get those numbers down?" Huckabee would respond that, if elected, he intended to make America free of traffic accidents by 20-whatever. He's not the slightest bit concerned with whether or not the goal is achievable, he just whips out a knee-jerk promise every time a subject is dangled in front of him. He now has the feverish look of a Vegas gambler, because nobody is as surprised by the "Huckaboom" as Huckabee himself; it occurs to him that HE MAY ACTUALLY BECOME PRESIDENT!! He'd promise to order all clothing manufacturers in America to make their products out of Jell-o Jigglers if he thought it would help him achieve that goal.

Posted by: Mark on December 11, 2007 at 7:45 PM | PERMALINK

"Bonus question: what are the odds that Couric followed up on this bombshell? Slim or none?"

I'd settle for Couric breaking out in uncontrollable pointing and laughing and eventually just moving on to the next question. Sadly, the odds on that aren't any better.

Posted by: R Johnston on December 11, 2007 at 7:46 PM | PERMALINK

"Ouch. Not even as bright as GW Bush. And that is one LOW freaking bar."

If only Bush would have something to do with a bar. He's one mean and bitchy dry drunk. GWB meeting a handle of cheep whiskey would do the world a world of good.

Posted by: R Johnston on December 11, 2007 at 7:49 PM | PERMALINK

"the perpetual motion machine . . . Rudy Giuliani."

Nah; it's more like he's in orbit. You know: perpetual free fall.

Posted by: R Johnstonr on December 11, 2007 at 7:50 PM | PERMALINK

Sheesh! Gore lost the 2000 election, INCLUDING EVERY ONE OF THE THREE RECOUNTS (not to mention his HOME STATE of Tennessee...so freakin' get over it, you whiny losers.

People who accuse other people of being angry should refrain from typing in ALL CAPS, calling people names and using multiple punctuation marks, since these are all telltale signs of uncontrollable anger. Just sayin'...
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Posted by: Aris on December 11, 2007 at 7:54 PM | PERMALINK

"Far more interesting than making lame jokes about a stupid slip of the tongue would be exploring how Huckabee proposes to make us oil-independent in a decade."

Actually, that's sounds a lot less interesting.

Nonsense BGRS, everybody knows that the scientists at the big motor companies have already developed the perpetual motion machine.

Ah, but we'd still be consuming the energy produced by such a machine. And dammit! Huckabee won't even stand for that! Zero. Consumption. Period.

Posted by: Seitz on December 11, 2007 at 8:02 PM | PERMALINK

Aris - you beat me to it.

But let's admit it -- these people are very entertaining, aren't they?

R Johnston - I just posted this on another thread, but it's relevant to your point:

The current (January 2008) issue of Vanity Fair -- in its "Editor's Letter" -- Gordon Carter recounts what former British Foreign Secretary Lord Owen reports in his book, "The Hubris Syndrome: Bush, Blair, and the Intoxication of Power." Carter says that, according to Owen, Bush's blood "contained significant amounts of alcohol" when analyzed at Johns Hopkins following the 2002 incident when Bush "choked on a pretzel" while watching a football game on TV.

The notion that Bush has slipped into active alcoholism is a familiar blog subject, mainly because the President often (usually) acts that way. But this is the first time I've seen such an allegation in print at any level above National Enquirer.

Interesting. Certainly fits with his behavior.

Posted by: wileycat on December 11, 2007 at 8:04 PM | PERMALINK

I'll be interested in a Republican's analysis of the 2000 election whenever one confronts the fact that thousands of overvotes for Gore were initially disqualified (overvotes being those where the overenthusiastic voter both checked off Gore and wrote his name in) and then later held valid in one county by a judge, but not in time to effect the overall count because the Supreme Court halted all proceedings.

After you deal with that, then you can use your capitalization key to yell about the earlier machine counts that disqualified various valid votes.

Posted by: commentator on December 11, 2007 at 8:05 PM | PERMALINK

The notion that Bush has slipped into active alcoholism is a familiar blog subject, mainly because the President often (usually) acts that way. But this is the first time I've seen such an allegation in print at any level above National Enquirer. Posted by: wileycat

I've suspected that he's been drinking for years. He sounds half in the bag a lot of the time. He's a shitty public speaker, but has gotten worse, and beyond the Norm Crosby malapropisms, his voice often sounds thick.

Posted by: JeffII on December 11, 2007 at 8:08 PM | PERMALINK

Let's call this the Huckabee return to the stone age plan. Oh wait, they had fire in the stone age, we'll have to go back further than that.

Posted by: The Bobs on December 11, 2007 at 8:12 PM | PERMALINK

littlebear,

We can't burn the poor! If we did, who would we eat?

Posted by: FearItself on December 11, 2007 at 8:12 PM | PERMALINK

Maybe Chuck Norris will tell energy to happen?

Posted by: Dave Dobson on December 11, 2007 at 8:13 PM | PERMALINK

As long as he doesn't win the general election, it could make for an absolutely hilarious 2008. I can just think of the John Stewart/Colbert/Michael Moore possibilities. I wonder what the average progressive prefers: a candidate like Huckabee who's absatively fucking nuts, and would therefore probably get b-slapped by the Democratic nominee (but still, you never know...) or a tougher candidate (Romney? McCain?) who would surely be a more formidable opponent, but at least who's not a complete moron (in the event the GOP wins). Tough question. I'd go with Huckabee. I bet the Dems win 40 states. But in the event the guy wins. Gulp.

Posted by: Jasper on December 11, 2007 at 8:16 PM | PERMALINK

FearItself - I commend your attention to Soylent Green (the book and the movie). that's who.

Jeff II - Consitution, Amendment XXV -Section 4.
"Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President."

Of course, we then have Cheney. Surprised he hasn't figured that out by now.

Posted by: wileycat on December 11, 2007 at 8:16 PM | PERMALINK

"Sheesh! Gore lost the 2000 election, INCLUDING EVERY ONE OF THE THREE RECOUNTS.."

Every one except for the independent recount conducted by Columbia Univ/Washington Post which showed Gore did in fact win Florida.

Posted by: scudbucket on December 11, 2007 at 8:17 PM | PERMALINK

Impressive, cut right to 'heat death' and anticipate the inevetable! Reminds me of the "Nine Billion names of God" by Clark or Asimov or somebody! He IS a preacher, no?

Posted by: jay boilswater on December 11, 2007 at 8:23 PM | PERMALINK

scudbucket - as a Florida voter, living in Miami when the Repugs invaded to terrorize the vote-counters, this still rankles me. Bad enough to have Bush, but worse since he wasn't even elected.

Sheesh, indeed!

Posted by: wileycat on December 11, 2007 at 8:27 PM | PERMALINK

Good grief. And this guy is leading in the Iowa polls. Maybe the Repulicans really are the stupid party.

Posted by: ex-liberal on December 11, 2007 at 8:28 PM | PERMALINK

Doubtless H, if elected and sworn into office, will lead a nationwide prayer to send high-carbohydrate manna from heaven, which can be fermented into ethanol.

No one is really sure what manna was, but some suggest the sugary secretions of aphids or other insects (eww).

Posted by: sara on December 11, 2007 at 8:29 PM | PERMALINK

Both Huck and Couric will leave you wondering where the play-acting ends and stupidity begins.

I've only seen Katie get annoyed with likes of Michael Moore. Republicans don't seem to bother her.

Posted by: little ole jim on December 11, 2007 at 8:30 PM | PERMALINK

Zero energy consumption is not difficult to achieve. Energy is always conserved. When you burn gasoline in a car, for ex., the energy released is used to propel high speed CO2 and H2O molecules against the pistons to move the car and out the exhaust. You don't really lose any energy, just transform it into non-recoverable forms such as fast moving exhaust gas molecules streaming into the environment. Energy being dispersed like this is accompanied by an increase in a fudge factor called "entropy," which is difficult to understand because it is a fudge factor invented to increase when energy is dispersed, but it is really this increase in entropy that is relevant.

Religious fundamentalists who follow the shaman Gore might not understand this.

Posted by: Luther on December 11, 2007 at 8:45 PM | PERMALINK

That is bold! I sure hope his plan for getting to ZEC (zero energy consumption) doesn't have something to do with the end times.

Hee!

Posted by: shortstop on December 11, 2007 at 8:49 PM | PERMALINK

OK, let me ask a dumb question.

What was it that Huckabee was really intending to say when he said "zero energy consumption"? Because I'd like to know if this is just a slip of the tongue or a deep confusion.

Posted by: frankly0 on December 11, 2007 at 8:51 PM | PERMALINK
The notion that Bush has slipped into active alcoholism is a familiar blog subject, mainly because the President often (usually) acts that way. But this is the first time I've seen such an allegation in print at any level above National Enquirer.

I've suspected that he's been drinking for years. He sounds half in the bag a lot of the time. He's a shitty public speaker, but has gotten worse, and beyond the Norm Crosby malapropisms, his voice often sounds thick.

Sadly, I don't think he's fallen off the wagon. Rather, he really is that mean and stupid. GWB is the sort who, as President, when drunk, would run naked down the mall to the Capitol, in an incident that could only end with the Speaker's gavel, rectal surgery, and midgets being the primary topics of late night talk shows for the following year.

Posted by: R Johnston on December 11, 2007 at 8:53 PM | PERMALINK

"Religious fundamentalists who follow the shaman Gore might not understand this." - Luther

I'm no religious religious fundamentalist, but I don't understand your point. The transfer of energy you describe is exactly the problem, no matter who's saying it.

Posted by: wileycat on December 11, 2007 at 8:56 PM | PERMALINK

What was it that Huckabee was really intending to say when he said "zero energy consumption"? Because I'd like to know if this is just a slip of the tongue or a deep confusion.
Posted by: frankly0

Zero energy imported, I hope.

Posted by: SJRSM on December 11, 2007 at 9:17 PM | PERMALINK

Zero energy imported, I hope.

Just googled that expression. No hits.

Must be something else.

Posted by: frankly0 on December 11, 2007 at 9:20 PM | PERMALINK

I think it would be far more interesting if "his plan for getting to ZEC", really read: "His Plan for getting to ZEN." Hmmm. Maybe, there could be a hidden ecumenical streak there?

Posted by: Doc at the Radar Station on December 11, 2007 at 9:39 PM | PERMALINK

"Southern Baptist" and "ecumenical" are mutually exclusive.

Posted by: coldhotel on December 11, 2007 at 9:52 PM | PERMALINK

"And we ought to declare that we will be free of energy consumption in this country within a decade

Wasn't there a recent book about that?

littlebear - what an admirably modest proposal . . .

" . . . cheep whiskey . . ."

Er. . . Grey Goose vodka?

Or - a great way to meet chicks? . . .

Or - is this a tequila kind of thing - y'know, a little bird floating at the bottom of the bottle? . . .

Or - I suppose some folks will drink anything that can be fermented - a particularly horrible Russian thing made from soggy bread sticks in my memory, and probably my liver and brain - but this seems a bit . . . .

Posted by: Dan S. on December 11, 2007 at 10:07 PM | PERMALINK

Dan; I think you're talking about kvas, which is indeed made from bread - but it's non-alcoholic.

Posted by: Mark on December 11, 2007 at 10:24 PM | PERMALINK

Shucky darn. That goldang Mike Hucklebee or Huckleberry is one sharp cookie, ain't he? Why, I think that is one jim dandy idea - no energy consumption. Shee-it. After I get dun cleanin' my gun, I'm gonna say me a prayer and send one bigass check to that good ole boy! Yee-ha!!!

Posted by: Another Dumb Republican on December 11, 2007 at 10:28 PM | PERMALINK
What was it that Huckabee was really intending to say when he said "zero energy consumption"?

If I had to guess, and assuming he had something remotely sensible in mind, I'd say it was zero energy consumption growth.

Posted by: cmdicely on December 11, 2007 at 10:35 PM | PERMALINK

If I had to guess, and assuming he had something remotely sensible in mind, I'd say it was zero energy consumption growth. -- cmdicely

Agreed, and a not so hard to pull off once peak oil sets in with a vengeance. We won't be able to increase our energy consumption. Zero energy consumption growth will be forced upon us.

Posted by: Dave Howard on December 11, 2007 at 10:43 PM | PERMALINK

Couric is an embarrassment. A classic example of affirmative action for mediocre blondes.

Posted by: Sally on December 11, 2007 at 10:58 PM | PERMALINK

So, Huck has a faith-based perpetual motion machine?

Posted by: SocraticGadfly on December 11, 2007 at 10:59 PM | PERMALINK

Evangelicals like the Huckster are the new punks - "no future." They seek to tie the destiny of the United States of America to a program that has a 100% failure rate: the prediction of the imminent return of Jesus and the end of the world. Christians have been predicting this for over 2000 years, and they have a 100% failure rate. And the evangelicals want to tie the destiny of the USA to this repeatedly failed fantasy.

If Jesus is coming soon, there's no need to protect the environment, no need to mind the federal budget, no need to mind the long term interests of the United States, no need to ensure a sound future for our children. It's a system of thought that says the future of our country doesn't matter, because it's going to end soon anyway. No matter to them that they've been wrong for 2000 years -- they still want to send our country down this dead end road.

The United States of America faces no greater threat than these dead-ender evangelicals.

Posted by: McCord on December 11, 2007 at 11:05 PM | PERMALINK

So, now we know that NONE of the Repubican candidates is really fit to be president.

Which Democratic candidate will the Republican electorate vote for?

Sure as heck ain't Hillary.
Obama? I can't see it.

Edwards -- Real Leadership for All of America!

Posted by: MarkH on December 11, 2007 at 11:16 PM | PERMALINK

Littlebear, brilliant!

Posted by: frnk on December 11, 2007 at 11:44 PM | PERMALINK

I suspect Huck's plan is one word long: RAPTURE! Naked people ascending into heaven don't have to consume any energy!

Posted by: maurinsky on December 11, 2007 at 11:45 PM | PERMALINK

I'd say it was zero energy consumption growth

According to th DOE, it seems that we have been at zero energy consumption growth for the past few years.

Posted by: JS on December 11, 2007 at 11:50 PM | PERMALINK

Zero energy consumption? Here's how it works. First, all Hucky's kind get themselves raptured. Then the rest of us piddle around for a thousand years of tribulation or whatever, then it's over and all energy consumption and everything else is finished forever.

Alternatively, Hucky just blows the whole world to kingdom come once he has his finger on the red button in ONE BIG burst of energy consumption. And then we're all finished forever.

And I doubt a follow-up question ever crossed Katie's pretty little mind.

Posted by: Delia on December 11, 2007 at 11:59 PM | PERMALINK

I am for ZEC.

Posted by: Brojo on December 12, 2007 at 12:15 AM | PERMALINK

Alternatively, Hucky just blows the whole world to kingdom come once he has his finger on the red button in ONE BIG burst of energy consumption.

The missiles are flying, gentlemen. Hallelujah. Hallelujah.

Posted by: Greg Stillson on December 12, 2007 at 5:50 AM | PERMALINK

Simple. The human body consumes and gives off power of about 100 watts. Just invent a heat exchanger that will capture and recycle this power. Good, solid Republican science.

Posted by: bob h on December 12, 2007 at 7:48 AM | PERMALINK

Sally said:

"Couric is an embarrassment. A classic example of affirmative action for mediocre blondes."

Yeah, because Brian Williams, Wolfe Blitzer, etc. etc. are so much better.

What do you think the chances are that any of them would have followed up on it?

Posted by: DR on December 12, 2007 at 9:35 AM | PERMALINK

Neither Romney nor Rudy seemed to understand that burning coal contributes to global warming.

Romney: "But sources that don't emit Co2. And that's nuclear power, clean-burning coal..."
(even clean burning coal creates CO2)
"China, which is the biggest Co2 emitter in the world..."
(wrong, the US emits more than China)

Rudy: "We've got more coal reserves in the us than they have oil reserves in Saudi Arabia. If we find a way to deal with it and use it so it doesn't hurt the environment, we're going to find ourselves not contributing to global warming"
(again coal still creates CO2)

http://sierraclub.typepad.com/cleanenergywatch/2007/12/cbs-evening-new.html

Posted by: bakho on December 12, 2007 at 9:49 AM | PERMALINK

Because of the holidays, I'm think of a lot of stuff in terms of its similarity to being home during Christmas or Thanksgiving. Huckabee is your friendly but dumb uncle. Sure, he's not as unpleasant as your cranky uncle who can't shut up about whatever he heard on Rush or O'Reilly this past week, and you enjoy hanging around with him and enjoy talking about Rodney Dangerfield movies with the guy, but ultimately he's dumb as a sack of hammers and not someone you want running the country.

Posted by: Tyro on December 12, 2007 at 10:08 AM | PERMALINK

If through some weird fluke huck gets elected we could call him president Gomer. Who would vice-pres. Goober be?

Posted by: Gandalf on December 12, 2007 at 10:09 AM | PERMALINK

Neither Romney nor Rudy seemed to understand that burning coal contributes to global warming.

Recall that the scientific wiz currently in the WH asserted that coal was not a fossil fuel and that nucular power a sustainable, renewable energy source.

Posted by: scudbucket on December 12, 2007 at 11:54 AM | PERMALINK

Simple. The human body consumes and gives off power of about 100 watts. Just invent a heat exchanger that will capture and recycle this power. Good, solid Republican science. Posted by: bob h

And Huck, before he became a poster boy for Weight Watchers, back in this 300lb. + Double Whopper days, probably gave off 200-300 watts.

Hey! I think we're on to something sort of Soylent Green-like here - we could corral all the really obese Southerners, who'd vote Rethug regardless, set 'em down in front of Hee Haw reruns with a bag of chips, hook-up to some machines, and . . .

Ah, never mind.

Posted by: JeffII on December 12, 2007 at 2:55 PM | PERMALINK

JeffII,

You reminded me of a question I've had for awhile - how come we don't hear about spontaneous human combustion so much any more?

My guess is the reduction in tobacco and alcohol use compared to a hundred years ago.

Hey, it might be morbid, but there is no scientific reason why cremation couldn't be used to produce useful energy. The same with the product of liposuction. At the minimum the patient could be sent how with a couple complementary candles. Hmmm, is the proper term for human fat 'lard' or is it 'tallow' or something else?

Posted by: Tripp on December 12, 2007 at 3:13 PM | PERMALINK

Tripp, I'm glad I'm pretty much finished with lunch.

But to answer your first question, the intensity of fire/heat needed for cremation is not going to be added to significantly, regardless of how obese the body is being cremated. Think of energy needed to produce ethanol vs. the energy released burning it, and you get the idea.

Posted by: JeffII on December 12, 2007 at 3:38 PM | PERMALINK

JeffII -- everyone knows you have to sun dry the corpses first. Most of the energy loss is associated with driving off the water.

Posted by: sdfg on December 12, 2007 at 5:30 PM | PERMALINK

sdfg is right. After they are sun-dried, you could turn them into something like FritoScoops™ (with minimal processing) that when lit will create a self-sustaining fire. That's why Fritos™ are a good source of kindling for an emergency campfire.

Posted by: Doc at the Radar Station on December 12, 2007 at 5:43 PM | PERMALINK

012685.. He-he-he :)

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