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December 18, 2007
By: Kevin Drum

KERREY....For the record, I'm with Mark Kleiman on the whole Bob Kerrey dustup. I was just barely willing to give him the benefit of the doubt over his "Obama's Muslim father" remarks — largely because I think he's substantively right about this — but his "secular madrassa" comment simply can't be spun as sincere even if you're bending over backward to be charitable. If he really thinks he's helping Hillary with the nonsense, he's sadly mistaken.

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Perhaps the Obama supporters would be so kind as to tell the rest of us exactly what we may say about Sen. Obama.

We realize that anything that happened prior to six months ago is off-limits, and cannot be discussed, even if Sen. Obama himself says it.

Posted by: John Petty on December 18, 2007 at 12:36 PM | PERMALINK

I don't undertand how a child rapist and known pedophile thinks he has any business slinging mud about Obama. Plus he removes the tags from bed pillows, a FEDERAL OFFENSE!

Posted by: steve duncan on December 18, 2007 at 12:38 PM | PERMALINK

Believe it or not, there are a lot of us out here who support other candidates who don't hate Hillary Clinton. But this crap is pushing us in that direction, and if it works, I for one will go from shrugging my shoulders at a Clinton nomination to actively opposing it.

Posted by: RollaMO on December 18, 2007 at 12:38 PM | PERMALINK

Though I tend to agree, Kerrey could be simply talking above us. He is, after-all, literally correct. Madrassa is Arabic for "school", whether secular or religious, but thanks to omnipresent anti-arab and anti-muslim bigotry, it has come to primarily mean in the US a Muslim radical religious school.

Posted by: Disputo on December 18, 2007 at 12:39 PM | PERMALINK

but his "secular madrassa" comment simply can't be spun as sincere even if you're bending over backward to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Nonsense Kevin. Madrassa just means "school" in Arabic. Obama's father is a Muslim. By calling his school a Madrassa, Kerrey was trying to respect Obama's father's Arab heritage. And by calling it secular, Kerrey was trying to deny the claim that Obama was taught in an Islamic religious school. If anything, you should be praising Kerrey in his defense of Obama from people who were disparaging him.

Posted by: Al on December 18, 2007 at 12:42 PM | PERMALINK

With Dems like Kerrey, who needs enemies like the Swifties?

Posted by: Uli Kunkel on December 18, 2007 at 12:42 PM | PERMALINK

Believe it or not, there are a lot of us out here who support other candidates who don't hate Hillary Clinton. But this crap is pushing us in that direction, and if it works, I for one will go from shrugging my shoulders at a Clinton nomination to actively opposing it.

It *will* get worse.

Has everybody forgotten the last cycle where in the final days before the Iowa caucus mysterious robo-calls went out reminding voters that Howard Dean is married to a (*gasp*) non-Christian?

Posted by: Disputo on December 18, 2007 at 12:44 PM | PERMALINK

Oh, Kevin. Not you too. Because nothing says religious fundamentalism quite like "secular".

And when Kerrey said pretty much exactly the same thing in October to the Economist, what was he doing? Anticipating supporting Clinton and sliming Obama in advance?

I guess Kerrey grossly overestimated the decency and open-mindedness of the American electorate, and apparently, the Democratic primary electorate as well.

Posted by: Steve on December 18, 2007 at 12:45 PM | PERMALINK

Well, Hillary just put me into the camp of those who will never vote for her, even in the general election. This latest line of attack, taken with Mark "Don't think of the word cocaine" Penn's Rove-like sliming last week, is just too much to stomach.

Truly tasteless, Hillary.

Posted by: waka waka on December 18, 2007 at 12:51 PM | PERMALINK

Um...Kevin...in Arabic madrassa means school, secular or religious (any religion). Secular madrassa is a secular school which is perfectly proper usage. Right there on Google "define". It also means "school" in muslim circles where it of course refers to Islamic schools, but that is a bastardization of the more common general definition.

I note yet again with sadness people saying "I will never vote for her (him)" in the General Election, to which I reply, you are part of the problem and are throwing your vote away and will give us a conservative supreme court for decades.
One more justice to join Scalia, Alito, Roberts and Thomas; thats all it will take. Act as you speak at the peril of our nation.

Posted by: Jammer on December 18, 2007 at 1:04 PM | PERMALINK

Al, you are right yet again. Bob Kerrey would be a Republican if he weren't a Democrat. He speaks the Truth. What's next, Liberals For Evolution Teaching and Paid Ramadan Holidays?

Only men like Bob Kerrey and McCain have the strength to survive what they survived, and we see the RESULTS in their impeccable judgment.

These men are HEROES. They are men. They are winners. Liberals are losers. How much more simple should I make it? Case closed. Again.

Posted by: Free Lover of Freedom and Free Liberty on December 18, 2007 at 1:10 PM | PERMALINK

Why give Bob Kerrey (and HRC) the benefit of the doubt about anything? He’s not dimwitted only stumping for Hillary. She sent him out last weekend to pilot the latest slimy campaign strategy – of conflating “Obama” and “Muslim” by repeating his name, inventing terms like “secular madrassa” and discussing paternal ancestors.

“…There are some people so nasty that they can't see a belt without wanting to hit below it…” Yup…A good description of HRC. This country doesn’t need a female version of George Bush

Posted by: jerseymissouri on December 18, 2007 at 1:13 PM | PERMALINK

Jammer,

While you're looking things up on google, you should look up what language they speak in Indonesia. (hint: it ain't arabic).

This is a desperate slur from a desperate campaign.

Posted by: Steve on December 18, 2007 at 1:15 PM | PERMALINK

By calling his school a Madrassa, Kerrey was trying to respect Obama's father's Arab heritage. Posted by: Al

Dunce. Obama's father, while a Muslim, was Kenyan. As in, African. As in, NOT AN ARAB.

Stick to something you're better at -- such as defending serial rapists and murderers such as Wayne Dumond.

Posted by: DJ on December 18, 2007 at 1:17 PM | PERMALINK

Here is what Andrew Sullivan who is the biggest supporter of Obama wrote:
Consider this hypothetical. It’s November 2008. A young Pakistani Muslim is watching television and sees that this man—Barack Hussein Obama—is the new face of America. .... A brown-skinned man whose father was an African, who grew up in Indonesia and Hawaii, who attended a majority-Muslim school as a boy..

Posted by: tt on December 18, 2007 at 1:18 PM | PERMALINK

I'm no supporter of Barack Obama, but this is a rather silly thread. So what if Sen. Obama attended a "secular madrassa" in Indonesia? This is really making something out of nothing.

My advice to Obama supporters is to ignore such flippant and off-hand comments, instead of wearing a big chip on your shoulder and thus dignifying them with a potentially intemperate and equally off-putting response.

If you must feel compelled to answer, I'd suggest any or all of the following remarks:

"First off, Obama was in grade school when he lived in Indonesia, which was nearly three decades ago and therefore neither here nor there. Secondly, I'm not aware of many 7-year-olds are allowed by their parents to choose their own school. Thirdly, why are we as Americans behaving with a near-pathological paranoia about all things Muslim, by needlessly demonizing Muslim terminology?"

As long as we're on the topic of Obama's school years, perhaps people ought to be aware that he is a 1979 graduate of Punahou School in Honolulu, the oldest, most prestigious college prep school west of the Mississippi River, and also one of the most elite, effete and snobbiest in the entire country.

Again, I ask - so what? Do we as Democrats hold it against any of the Kennedys for the choice their parents made in sending them to Choate?

In the interest of full disclosure, I must admit that I, for one, attended St. Elizabeth's Roman Catholic school through the eighth grade, with all its ruler-wielding nuns and prayer beads and waning days of corporal punishment and bells and whistles. Now, if that doesn't scare the living bejesus out of anyone who saw the movie The Golden Compass, I don't know what will.

Aloha.

Posted by: Donald from Hawaii on December 18, 2007 at 1:21 PM | PERMALINK

If Al thinks Kerrey is innocent here, well, he's obviously not.

Posted by: SocraticGadfly on December 18, 2007 at 1:22 PM | PERMALINK

Some of you folks don't seem to know that Arabic is to Muslims as Latin was to Catholics (pre Vatican II) and Hebrew is to Jews, irrespective of their native languages.

Of course, that doesn't make Kerrey's comments appropriate in the anti-Muslim/Arab context of the US.

Posted by: Disputo on December 18, 2007 at 1:23 PM | PERMALINK

Since when did Bob Kerrey become a Hillary-booster?

Posted by: Ara on December 18, 2007 at 1:23 PM | PERMALINK

Which "secular madrass"??? The one in Jakarta?? When he was seven years old - forty years ago???? How would that impact his world view??? That's like Hillary's kindergarten essay slam. Good grief. Kerrey brought it up so he could reintroduce the Muslim issue again and again and again.

Posted by: C.B. Todd on December 18, 2007 at 1:24 PM | PERMALINK

For those of you chewing out Kevin for saying that "madrassa" means "school"...

You are correct, but not thinking this through. In today's western consciousness, the word "madrassa" is irreparably linked with fundie islam and terrorism. Correct context or no, the connection is instant and clear to the vast majority of the American populace who've ever heard the term. And Kerrey is certainly politically savvy enough to know that.

Don't believe me? If you think saying "secular madrassa" is negligible, try calling someone a "friendly Nazi" and see how flattered they are at your..."compliment."

Posted by: This one dude from TX on December 18, 2007 at 1:24 PM | PERMALINK

Fact is, Obama could have a photo floating around of him facing Mecca and praying LAST WEEK and he still wouldn't have Clinton's negatives. The Cooter demo may be afraid of him but they loathe her.
As for Kerrey, ask him if his taste in peanuts--or his judgment--has changed.

Posted by: Steve Paradis on December 18, 2007 at 1:25 PM | PERMALINK

I think it's a bit silly to insist that madrassa in Arabic just means "school." Kerrey wasn't addressing an audience of Arabic speakers. He was addressing American voters, to whom madrassa (if it means anything) means "place where terrorists are trained." To insist on the correct denotation and ignore the connotations of the term in the post-9/11 American political context seems politically tone-deaf to me.

Of course, Bob Kerry could also be simply tone-deaf, but he's been in politics a long time. Long enough to know that dropping bombs about somebody in the context of complimenting them gives you the best of both worlds -- the effect of the bomb and the ability to deny you meant to drop it. Also, the compliments have the effect of confirming that the insinuations are true, by suggesting that even people who like Obama (as Kerrey purports to do) agree that he attended a terrorist training camp in Indonesia as a child.

Yes, I know, Kerrey didn't say that. But political rhetoric these days is not about taking a firm position and backing it up, it's about filling the air with sound bites posing as information, so that when people go to make their decisions they rely on those sound bites as facts.

Posted by: The Fabulous Mr. Toad on December 18, 2007 at 1:27 PM | PERMALINK

As so many have pointed out, the use of the term madrassa, while culturally and politically loaded in the US, really just means "school" in Arabic. I think you have to look at the rather clumsy locution chosen by Kerrey for a clue to what he is getting at.

"Secular madrassa" would have some meaning to Arabic speakers since they would automatically understand exactly what is being said. For English speaking audiences the meaning is not so clear. "Madrassa" is a loaded term, but modifying the word with "secular" tends to muddy the waters. By rights, to most English speakers, it should negate the cultural meaning of madrassa since you can't have a "secular" "religious school", but in reality all it does is muddy the waters of meaning and allow some plausible deniability for Kerrey. The exact same ploy used in the initial statement about Obama's middle name and his Muslim family background. A well-reported reminder of the facts aimed at the most intolerant segments of society...and when the blowback comes, Kerrey can shrug his shoulders and say, "I only meant it in the most positive way!!" Uh huh.

So, the question is, is Bob Kerrey really that naive that he doesn't understand what the subtext of these statements is, or is he that Machiavellian?

Posted by: majun on December 18, 2007 at 1:29 PM | PERMALINK

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Posted by: Keith on December 18, 2007 at 1:30 PM | PERMALINK

If you think saying "secular madrassa" is negligible, try calling someone a "friendly Nazi" and see how flattered they are at your..."compliment."

Obama's former Un-islamofascist Muslim father is down with that.

Posted by: enozinho on December 18, 2007 at 1:31 PM | PERMALINK

Of course, madrassa just means "school" in Arabic, a language Kerrey speaks fluently. Unlike Obama or most of the population of Indonesia where he went to this madrassa.

I think Kerrey would like to be Fuehrer. That's just a German word that means leader. What did you think I meant?

Posted by: Fruity Bev on December 18, 2007 at 1:32 PM | PERMALINK

Kevin,

I just don't get your passivity on this. One Clinton surrogate after another comes out with blatant fear-mongering smear of Obama, and then the official campaign innocently disavows it.

Here you are, after days and days of this stuff, saying "Well, gee whiz, maybe that Kerrey guy is loose cannon. He really should be careful."

Once is an accident; twice is a coincidence; three times is a conspiracy.

Posted by: Stephen on December 18, 2007 at 1:35 PM | PERMALINK

The more I hear Obama supporters get all twisted up over stuff like this, the more I'm convinced how "not ready for prime time" he is. What is the guy, made of glass or somethng? Some of us are actually refusing to back whoever the Democratic candidate may turn out to be because of a perceived slight to Little Lord Fort Fauntleroy's delicate feelings a full year before election day? No wonder the Republicans kick our asses on such a regular basis.

It's like watching Bill O'Reilly. His whole schtick is being "outraged" over some perceived slight to his sensibilities each day.

Welcome to the world of Presidential politics. Obama is a grown man, in a grown up game. I really wish all the ObamaWorld would stop looking for reasons to pout and move forward. Just yesterday, Andrew Sullivan was accusing Bill Clinton of being racist because he questioned Obama's experience. He suggested Clinton was saying Obama is too "upity".

If Obama's the candidate next year, I'll back him, even though he seems very soft to me just because of whining like this coming from the Obama camp all of the time. The big issues on the table (SCOTUS anyone? healthcare?) are far too important for progressives collectively to sit it out in 2008.

If Obama feels slighted, he should say so and fight back. OOps, I suggested he fight which just exposed my racist inner belief that all black men are violent.

I'm sorry Kevin, I didn't mean to offend. And Bill O'Reilly, Happy Winter Holiday.

Posted by: Chris on December 18, 2007 at 1:48 PM | PERMALINK

As others have pointed out, Arabic is not spoken in Indonesia outside of Islamic ceremonies, so Kerrey is not even technically correct. The generic term for school in that country is "sekolah", which is just as secular a term as our own.

At best Kerrey was ignorant, but given the full context of his statement it is clear that calculated malice lay behind it.

Posted by: boffo on December 18, 2007 at 1:55 PM | PERMALINK

http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/coffeehouse/2007/dec/18/was_bob_kerrey_intentionally_muslim_baiting_obama

Was Bob Kerrey Intentionally Muslim-Baiting Obama? By M.J. Rosenberg

By now everybody has seen the story.
While endorsing Hillary Clinton for President, former Senator Bob Kerrey spoke of how ground-breaking it is that we Democrats have a candidate named "Barack Hussein Obama."
His defenders say that he included Obama's unused middle name to convey just how great it is. Imagine. A President with Hussein in his name. Are we great or what? Here's what I think. It was an intentional effort to remind Iowans and New Hampsherites that Obama is not really "one of us."

Think about it. All he had to do was to say how cool it is that we have a candidate like Barack Obama, who is African-American, grew up in Indonesia, whatever. In fact, all he had to say was how cool it is that Barack Obama is a major candidate for President. After all, the whole world knows that he is black. But why use a middle name Obama never uses. A middle name that appears only a right-wing websites as a slur.

You know what Joe Lieberman's middle name is? It's Isador, a stereotypical old-fashioned Jewish name. Imagine if Bush or Cheney had said how great it was that in our country in 2000 we could have a Vice President named JOSEPH IDADOR LIEBERMAN. Democrats would have gone nuts.
But the Republicans never went that route. Not even close.

But Kerrey just did. So this is the anti-Obama game plan. We Democrats talk about how disgusting the Republicans are. We say that they are so loathsome that they will will even use Obama's name, his admitted youthful drug use, his Muslim father, etc, against him. The Republicans, we will say, will stop at nothing --while we, of course, stop at nothing to smear our own guy. Or we'll say ain't it grand that Barack Obama is Barack Hussein Obama and that his grandma is a Muslim in Africa!

All of a sudden, the race tightens and suddenly Obama's race is an issue. Who woulda thunk it? I guess America has not gotten as far as I thought it had.

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Posted by: on December 18, 2007 at 2:21 PM | PERMALINK

If Obama is the Dem candidate this fall, it is better that this stuff get aired now rather than later. When the Repukes start sliming him, he can say it is old news. BTW, my very conservative father (Limbaugh/FOX educated) thinks Obama was probably brainwashed while in the madrasa and presents a security threat to the US. Seriously.

Posted by: Bush Lover on December 18, 2007 at 2:27 PM | PERMALINK

Obama said he wanted to meet with leaders of other countries without prep work. Naive.
Obama said he would go after Al Qaeda in Pakistan, perhaps using nukes. Naive.
Obama's health care "reform" plan isn't universal.

He's excellent at recovering from stupid statements, but he makes them.

His policy suggestions don't seem very Progressive to me.

I'm against him for all the right reasons. Skin color, religion, all that garbage isn't very important by comparison.

Posted by: MarkH on December 18, 2007 at 2:29 PM | PERMALINK

The difference between Obama supporters and HRC supporters is that when any of the Dem candidates get slimed, Obama supporters are there to attack the slimers, but when Obama gets slimed, half of HRC supporters are in on the sliming, and the other half are whining to the Obama supporters to "get over it".

Even so, I agree with Bush Lover above. It is best that HRC channel all the RNC's garbage at Obama during the primaries, for if nothing else, when running in the general Obama can then cause wingnuts' heads to explode by pointing out that they are parroting HRC.

Posted by: Disputo on December 18, 2007 at 2:46 PM | PERMALINK

How much ya wanna bet that if this tactic gains any traction, Senator Obama will start calling all of his rivals by their full names?

Cuz we all know, the 'rental units never did that unless you were were in TRU-BULL.

Posted by: theAmericanist on December 18, 2007 at 3:19 PM | PERMALINK

Equating or comparing "secular madrassa" with "friendly nazi" is illogical and a non-sequitur. Madrassa is not a person. A nazi is. Fact, there are secular madrassas. I can excuse Kerrey for using the Arabic, with which he is familiar, instead of the Indonesian, with which he is not. If Americans think a madrassa is a place to train terrorists, we are in bigger trouble on getting along with muslims than I thought.

The trouble here is that the list of things you cannot mention about Obama keeps growing. Cant mention his father is muslim, cant mention he lived in Indonesia and attended a SCHOOL there, cant mention cocaine (because he already mentioned it in his book and its racist to repeat it), and according to one person I read, you cant even say he is naive and/or irresponsible since THAT implicates black southern man feelings of being put down.


Can anyone understand that after the truly despicable things HRC has been called over the years, even basically called a liar by Obama in all but that word, that this thin skinned cant mention this cant mention that stuff is growing tiresome?

Posted by: Jammer on December 18, 2007 at 3:22 PM | PERMALINK

By the way, the best analysis here came from the person who said Kerrey was talking down to people. He is arrogant to be sure and he probably thought he was being oh so cute by being what he thought was technically correct in his language usage. Dont forget he was a thorn in Bill Clinton's side in the 1990's and I dont think he is any great friend of theirs.

Posted by: Jammer on December 18, 2007 at 3:26 PM | PERMALINK

What's interesting to me is that the Clinton Haters seem to believe that Bill and Hillary sit down with guys like Shaheen and Kerry and give them a script. As though they believe Hillary thinks it's the thing to do. That's preposterous. All campaigns have their misspeaks,misfits and stupids. She, above all, knows that this is the kind of BS that hurts-not helps her campaign. Politically speaking, there are NO stupid Clintons. You've got plenty of examples each day from the other campaigns. Generally, it's from the candidates themselves. i.e Romney, Huckabee, Guiliana. Now, those are stupids!

Posted by: fillphil on December 18, 2007 at 3:32 PM | PERMALINK

"Obama said he wanted to meet with leaders of other countries without prep work. Naive."

This statement is false.

"Obama said he would go after Al Qaeda in Pakistan, perhaps using nukes. Naive."

And this statement is willfully distorted.

Naive? No. Deliberate smear? Yup.

Posted by: PaulB on December 18, 2007 at 3:34 PM | PERMALINK

"The trouble here is that the list of things you cannot mention about Obama keeps growing."

Oh, garbage. You can say anything you want about Obama, but if the statements are being made by a campaign operative, as was true in this case, then don't pretend that it wasn't a not-so-subtle attack. That's all people are doing here -- pointing out that Kerrey is either monumentally stupid or he's deliberately floating a new attack. Either way, he deserves to be called on this shit.

Posted by: PaulB on December 18, 2007 at 3:36 PM | PERMALINK

I'll make my point a different way. Whether you love or hate HRC, her campaign's attacks on Obama are good for Obama in the long run. It will better prepare him for the national run. But, the Obama campaign, and his supporters for that matter, must do a better job of addressing these attacks. Staying "above the fray" did not work for John Kerry and playing the victim card makes Obama look weak. When Bill accused him of lacking experience there were much better responses available. When Obama shows me he can fight, I'll support him. I do think his campaign has been improving in this regard, so I'm encouraged. I just cannot sit through another swiftboating from the Repubs.

Posted by: Bush Lover on December 18, 2007 at 3:50 PM | PERMALINK

When Obama was down in the state polls, various media princelings were begging him to go negative to reverse his numbers. And they applauded when he did. As Clinton responds , these same are having vapors, especially the seriously disturbed Chris Matthews who asked about Clinton endorsers' "willingness" "to become castratos in the eunuch chorus"

From past history of Republican smears&lies, this is all small stuff, but the media reaction brings back the good ol' days of Clinton bashing during which every media whore repeated every story they heard or invented.

Posted by: Mike on December 18, 2007 at 4:27 PM | PERMALINK

Kerrey is being too clever by half with the latest claptrap--hurting Clinton in the process and leaving Obama virtually unscathed. Think of the rare voter who will actually fall for the line versus the legions acutely offended by Kerrey's insinuation, and pushed to choose ABH--anyone but Hillary--on January 3.

Can Obama say anything, do anything about Kerrey? Not sure that he needs to, what with Kerrey's foot inserted so firmly in his mouth. Worse, he's confirming a voter bias about HRC on the one hand and on the other making a charge that simply flies in the face of what voters feel they know about Obama.

Posted by: paxr55 on December 18, 2007 at 4:27 PM | PERMALINK

Questions: If Obama gets the '08 nomination, then how much difference would it make that TV ads continually remind the viewers that his middle name is Hussein? Why would any normal person consider that a negative? How many pro-Democrat voters would abstain from voting because of that? How many would instead vote for the Republican alternative?

If "His middle name is Hussein" is considered a smear, and it makes a significant difference in the elections, then sorry folks - this country is beyond repair.

Posted by: RS on December 18, 2007 at 5:10 PM | PERMALINK

What's interesting to me is that the Clinton Haters seem to believe that Bill and Hillary sit down with guys like Shaheen and Kerry and give them a script. ...Politically speaking, there are NO stupid Clintons.

Posted by: fillphil

Not a Clinton hater here, but you must realize that your two statements above are contradictory. To wit, if someone in the campaign is not doing the former, then Bill and Hill are the latter.

Posted by: Econobuzz on December 18, 2007 at 5:34 PM | PERMALINK

Fun fact about the word (beyond loaded political meaning): *Madrassa* is often just considered the generic term for 'school' in Arabic. I'm Christian Lebanese, and my parents always referred to the Catholic elementary and high schools I attended in Los Angeles as *madrassa.*

Posted by: George B. on December 18, 2007 at 5:59 PM | PERMALINK

"Equating or comparing "secular madrassa" with "friendly nazi" is illogical and a non-sequitur. Madrassa is not a person. A nazi is. Fact, there are secular madrassas."

Fact: there are (and were) most certainly friendly Nazis. It's perfectly logical, and you're missing the point. Either word is a word so loaded that all other descriptors attached to it are rendered meaningless. In this case, the average American voter won't give a hoot if it's a secular, fanatic, neutral, diet-cherry or whatever madrassa...the fact is, "madrassa" is all they'll hear. And I have an immensely hard time believing that didn't occur to someone as politically savvy as Bob Kerrey.

You're right to say "madrassa literally means school." Fine. Then why didn't Kerrey simply call it a school? It's not like he was addressing the Middle East when he said it. He most certainly knows the baggage that the word madrassa carries, political animal that he is.

But I digress.

Posted by: This one dude from TX on December 18, 2007 at 6:01 PM | PERMALINK

I can excuse Kerrey for using the Arabic, with which he is familiar, instead of the Indonesian, with which he is not.

Is he familiar with English? Because he could have just said school.

I guess according to dipshits like Jammer, I attended Longden Elementary Madrassa, and Oak Avenue Junior High Madrassa, and Temple City High Madrassa. Same thing, right?

Note to morons like Jammer, there's no reason to use a word there other than school unless you want people to think that Obama went to anything other than a normal school.

Posted by: Vladi G on December 18, 2007 at 6:13 PM | PERMALINK

So, is Bob Kerrey still honcho at the New Madrassa for Social Research?

Posted by: SqueakyRat on December 19, 2007 at 4:19 AM | PERMALINK

It makes no more sense to say that Obama attended a madrassa then it does to say Pat Robertson worships Allah.

After all, Allah is the Arabic word for God.

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