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December 28, 2007
By: Kevin Drum

RUDY ON HEALTHCARE....Did Rudy Giuliani really say this? It's right up there with "After all, you just go to an emergency room." What a clown.

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There are some ideas so knuckle-draggingly stupid that whoever possesses them should just be automatically ruled out as candidate for higher federal office. Thank God this man doesn't have a prayer of a chance of getting elected, all things considered.

Posted by: Robustus on December 28, 2007 at 12:24 PM | PERMALINK

Thankfully, if matters continue as they have been, we'll be spared the trauma of a moron of this magnitude winning the presidency. The real question is just how on earth did this guy become the Republican front-runner for those many months?

Posted by: PaulB on December 28, 2007 at 12:24 PM | PERMALINK

9/11 wasn't mentioned even once in that quote, so I'd question whether that was actually Rudy talking.

Posted by: AJ on December 28, 2007 at 12:29 PM | PERMALINK

The real question is just how on earth did this guy become the Republican front-runner for those many months?
Posted by: PaulB on December 28, 2007 at 12:24 PM |

Republicans are always looking for a daddy to protect them. He doesn't have to be a smart daddy, or a moral daddy, he just has to say, "I am your daddy and I am here to protect you from the big bad world." Rudy better filled the bill until people realized he wasn't even a very good daddy.

Posted by: corpus juris on December 28, 2007 at 12:34 PM | PERMALINK

Rudy better filled the bill until people realized he wasn't even a very good daddy.

All they had to do was ask Andrew and what's-her-name.

Posted by: shortstop on December 28, 2007 at 12:35 PM | PERMALINK

Kevin, I don't understand your complaint. What Rudy said was fairly accurate. Republicans are more likely to look for private solutions than big government socialist solutions. That's why they're against government controlled health care. Also, Rudy said "Maybe more Democrats are concerned about their health care than Republicans" which may be true. I suspect Republicans eat more healthy and exercise more regularly than liberals, and that's why they don't worry about the supposed "health insurance crisis" as much as liberals because Republicans are more fit. Food for thought.

Posted by: Al on December 28, 2007 at 12:49 PM | PERMALINK

corpus juris: "Republicans are always looking for a daddy to protect them."

Then they should ask Larry Craig, Mark Foley and Jeff Gannon / Jim Dale Guckert for directions to Folsom Street in San Francisco, where they'll find them a dime a dozen.

Posted by: Donald from Hawaii on December 28, 2007 at 12:54 PM | PERMALINK

Food for thought.
Posted by: Al

You must be dying of starvation.

Posted by: DJ on December 28, 2007 at 1:01 PM | PERMALINK

Just when you think an Al post can't get any funnier, he outdoes himself.

The more you see Rudy, the more you hear Rudy, the more you know about Rudy, the deeper his hole gets with just about everybody, maybe even with fit, healthy Republicans who eat well.

Posted by: jrw on December 28, 2007 at 1:08 PM | PERMALINK

Al is an asshat.

Rudy is an assclown.

Actually, it isn't fair to use the word "clown" to describe Rudy. Clowns at least serve a purpose.

Posted by: Angela on December 28, 2007 at 1:11 PM | PERMALINK

Clowns at least serve a purpose. As do asses.

But this great country of ours just might be fucking stupid enough to elect Rudy because he's a strong leader and knows how to deal with terrorism. Or something. After all, who needs health care if we're going to be attacked?

Posted by: thersites on December 28, 2007 at 1:30 PM | PERMALINK

Well, Al, if the GOP is the party of health and fitness, how do you explain the fact that the solid-Republican South consistently has some of the highest obesity rates in the country? Hmm? Looks to me like, at a minimum, being a lardass is a bipartisan American trend.

http://www.cdc.gov/nccdphp/dnpa/obesity/trend/maps/

Oh, @#$%, did I just feed the troll? Stop me!

Posted by: The Fabulous Mr. Toad on December 28, 2007 at 1:47 PM | PERMALINK

Right, and remember that the whole idiocy of just going to an emergency roon ("JGTAER") is that it costs more total to have healthcare done that way, besides being risky and much ineffective due to the long waits, tired and frantic staff, etc.

Posted by: Neil B. on December 28, 2007 at 2:01 PM | PERMALINK
Well, Al, if the GOP is the party of health and fitness, how do you explain the fact that the solid-Republican South consistently has some of the highest obesity rates in the country?
It's all about big oil. Not that oil; the other oil. You see, Republicans often confuse their fealty to the two, especially in the south, resulting in an epidemic of Republican Southerners who think that anything deep fried is health food.

Either that or Al was just making shit up.

Posted by: Robert Johnston on December 28, 2007 at 2:07 PM | PERMALINK

Neil B., Another angle on that is... what if you do have insurance and you croak waiting in a line at the emergency room (for your *unpreventable* emergency) that wouldn't be as long if people were getting the proper primary care in the first place? Maybe if the Dems would pick up on that one, it might be really effective.

Posted by: Doc at the Radar Station on December 28, 2007 at 2:12 PM | PERMALINK

"What a clown." I think you summed it up perfectly.

Posted by: lamonte on December 28, 2007 at 2:21 PM | PERMALINK

Just goes to show that:

1. The GOP's "culture of life" stops at birth.

2. The GOP has no clue about the issues facing average Americans.

3. The GOP has nothing of substance to offer; just rhetoric.

4. The GOP could care less about anyone, just so long as they keep getting votes.

So the corporate media will report about this massive stupidity for the next week, ala John Edwards' haircut, right?

RIGHT?!?!

Posted by: Mark D on December 28, 2007 at 2:37 PM | PERMALINK

I think Al misspoke. I think he meant to say "Republicans take more oxycontin than Democrats, which suppresses appetite, and more valium, which because you're asleep, means you don't eat as much." Let's not rake Al too hard just for leaving out a few subordinate clauses.

Posted by: Robustus on December 28, 2007 at 2:37 PM | PERMALINK

As usual, to state the obvious....Universal health care is not an issue for Republicans because being a Republican today is about concern only for what appears to be the best thing for yourself and your peers, not for other people (in this instance, who have employers who do not cover them or who cannot afford insurance on their own) or even looking at the good of society (or for that matter the future of the earth) as a whole.
By the way, I really enjoy the generally high (nontroll) level of discourse in the comments in this blog. Thanks guys.

Posted by: emjayay on December 28, 2007 at 2:42 PM | PERMALINK

Of course Al is right, you ninnies. He usually is.

If you don't have something, you don't deserve it. Work for it. Put on those bootstraps.

Work!!! For something, silly liberal. You and your silly ideas about "luck" and such. There is no such thing as luck in Real Life, liberals. You get everything you deserve. Get off your duffs!

Fortunately, you will be forced to next November. Long live America and WORK! And Freedom is pretty good, too!!!

Posted by: Free Lover of Freedom and Free Liberty on December 28, 2007 at 2:43 PM | PERMALINK

Long live America and WORK! And Freedom is pretty good, too!!!
Posted by: Free Lover of Freedom and Free Liberty

You sounded better in the original German, scum:

"Arbeit macht frei"

Posted by: DJ on December 28, 2007 at 2:49 PM | PERMALINK

As annoyed as I am by Free Lover's and Al's idiocy and sheer stupidity, I am highy relieved to not be related to them (I hope!) or live near them. Imagine being the neighbor of a neocon know-nothing.

Posted by: Angela on December 28, 2007 at 2:52 PM | PERMALINK

C'mon people! Y'all are supposedly the sharpest commenters in Blogtopia (sctp!)! How can you possibly read Free Lover of Freedom and Free Liberty as anything but parody??? The handle screams parody all by itself!

Posted by: Blue Girl, Red State (aka G.C.) on December 28, 2007 at 2:56 PM | PERMALINK

You're right, BG. But maybe Free Lover etc. is playing a real subtle game -- demonstrating to the world the truth of the stereotype of liberals as humorless.

Posted by: thersites on December 28, 2007 at 3:07 PM | PERMALINK

Free Lover:

"No such thing as luck?" Are you kidding me? How else can you *conceivably* explain the ascension of George W. Bush into the White House? Without the luck of birth and mobbed-up family connections (by that I mean "The U.S. Supreme Court") please explain how George W. Bush got to where he is. Academic career? Right. Outstanding service record? Please. Business success? (crickets). It's luck of birth and accident of family connections, pure and simple.

As for hard work, sure -- "It's hard! Being president is hard work!" Sometimes you even have to stay up until 9 p.m. for a state dinner.

Posted by: Robustus on December 28, 2007 at 3:12 PM | PERMALINK

Possible I suppose, but subtlety isn't the conservative long suit. (Is that card even in their deck?) Or do you mean FLoFaFL is a Liberal who is wanking his fellow libs?

All I know for sure is I howl mirthfully at the over-the-top caricatures, and think the person posting under that handle is a magnificent bastard, and I hope he never dies!

Posted by: Blue Girl, Red State (aka G.C.) on December 28, 2007 at 3:15 PM | PERMALINK

I howl mirthfully at the over-the-top caricatures

Then why don't you love egbert? Oh. Because he's not funny, just pathetic. Never mind.

Actually, I didn't intend to be taken seriously, about the "subtle game."

Posted by: thersites on December 28, 2007 at 3:32 PM | PERMALINK

People, Free Lover is a Satire Troll. Satire is really lost on some people.

Meanwhile, Al said: "That's why they're against government controlled health care."

I wait with anticipation for all the GOP politicians to give up their taxpayer-funded health insurance.

Posted by: Speed on December 28, 2007 at 3:42 PM | PERMALINK

I am NOT a satire troll! I am the real thing!

Ann Coulter is God, and she has the balls to prove it!

Posted by: Wingnut on December 28, 2007 at 3:45 PM | PERMALINK

Seriously! Anyone who thinks FLoFaFL (Okay, I'm hungry now, and I have to go to al Habashi for Falafel now, as soon as I post this comment...) is for real needs to spend some quality time with my dear friend Jon Swift.

Posted by: Blue Girl, Red State (aka G.C.) on December 28, 2007 at 3:58 PM | PERMALINK

Rudy is the most openly "dirty: politican we have had at the national level. He is a cartoon character. His bad judgment both before and after 9-11 led to needless deaths and additional horrors. He is the approved neo-con/israeli candidate so that gets him a lot further than his very poor record deserves. I find him unstable, immoral and very dangerous.

Posted by: allie on December 28, 2007 at 4:00 PM | PERMALINK

Hey, egbert can be extremely funny, when the person doing him has a deft (and light) touch on the malapropisms. Sometimes, though, he's like a ton of bricks.

Posted by: shortstop on December 28, 2007 at 4:47 PM | PERMALINK

Rudy's just chasing after the Ron Paul vote.

Posted by: dr sardonicus on December 28, 2007 at 4:50 PM | PERMALINK

Shorter Rudy-if you're worried about paying for your health care--vote Democratic!

Thank you for the endorsement, Mr. Mayor.

Posted by: rea on December 28, 2007 at 5:59 PM | PERMALINK




 

 

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