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December 28, 2007

KRISTOL CLEAR....Recently cast off from Time magazine, presumably for writing shallow, predictable tripe, William Kristol is getting a promotion of sorts.

The Huffington Post has learned that, in a move bound to create controversy, the New York Times is set to announce that Bill Kristol will become a weekly columnist in 2008. Kristol, a prominent neo-conservative who recently departed Time magazine in what was reported as a "mutual" decision, has close ties to the White House and is a well-known proponent of the war in Iraq. Kristol also is a regular contributor to Fox News' Special Report with Brit Hume.

If the report is accurate, and Kristol is joining the Times' roster, this is an embarrassment from which the paper of record will not soon recover. If Kristol were merely wrong about matters of national significance, this decision would merely be a mistake. But in recent years Kristol has become far more -- gone are the "soothing tones" that made him a mainstay on the DC cocktail circuit, replaced with a bitter, sycophantic belligerence.

Over the summer, when Kristol started blaming American liberals for Khmer Rouge's crimes, and arguing that the U.S. withdrawal from Vietnam also created the conditions for the Islamist revolution in Iran in 1979, I started wondering if Kristol actually believes his own nonsense. Except, as Jonathan Chait explained, it may not matter: "Kristol's good standing in the Washington establishment depends on the wink-and-nod awareness that he's too smart to believe his own agitprop. Perhaps so. But, in the end, a fake thug is not much better than the real thing."

True, except now, one of the world's most prestigious news outlets has apparently given this thug space on the most valuable media real estate in existence.

Kevin Drum captured Kristol's clownish persona perfectly back in June:

The Bill Kristol phenomenon is a stellar example of what a nice suit and a sober tone of voice can do for you. When Curtis LeMay suggested bombing North Vietnam into the Stone Age and getting over our fear of using nuclear weapons, everyone saw him for what he was: a bellicose nutcase. Kristol is barely any less bloodthirsty, but he's smart enough to talk in more soothing tones. As a result, he gets columns in Time magazine, edits his own widely-read magazine, and shows up constantly on television.

Underneath it, though, he's every bit the bellicose nutcase that LeMay was. His answer to every foreign policy problem is exactly the same: a proposal to use the maximum amount of force that he thinks elite opinion can tolerate. But Kristol is well dressed, soft spoken, and a lively dinner companion. So everyone just sort of shrugs their shoulders at the fact that he basically wants to go to war with the whole world. It's a nice gig.

Standards and consequences be dammed, it's a gig that seems to keep getting better.

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The New York Times should investigating and exposing, not hiring, Bill Kristol.

Posted by: Ross Best on December 28, 2007 at 9:01 PM | PERMALINK

In the Time Swampblog, Joe Klein once defended Time's publishing Bill Kristol by saying, in effect, that Kristol may be nuts, but he had good manners.

Posted by: Jim on December 28, 2007 at 9:06 PM | PERMALINK

Except that Gen. Curtis LeMay was a genoine war hero who, right or wrong, bombed Tokyo into submission after taking over a failing Allied effort. Gen. LeMay, however misguided, did have direct experience that boosted his credibility.

Krystol has no such experience and therefore is unfit to be a pimple on General Curtis LeMay's ass.

Posted by: Brenda Helverson on December 28, 2007 at 9:07 PM | PERMALINK

this is an embarrassment from which the paper of record will not soon recover.

As if the NYT could get any lower and irrelevant than it has already....

Posted by: Disputo on December 28, 2007 at 9:09 PM | PERMALINK

This is anti-Krugman balancing, as viewed by the nut-squeezers and nut-squeezees.

Posted by: bdr on December 28, 2007 at 9:36 PM | PERMALINK

As evidence of how irrelevant Bill Kristol has become this post has been up over half an hour and this is only the 5th comment.

Steve, I think we all agree that 1) Bill Kristol is a douche bag and 2) the Gray Lady ain't what she used to be.

If it is any consolation, this is a well written post.

Posted by: corpus juris on December 28, 2007 at 9:38 PM | PERMALINK

Wow. What a revolting development! Nyuk nyuk Times.

Posted by: Apollo 13 on December 28, 2007 at 9:38 PM | PERMALINK

If one only had 3 words to describe the first decade of the new millennium, it would have to be "Up is Down". Almost without exception, every columnist and/ or pundit that predicted or reported the idiotic moves this administration has been responsible for has been thrown by the wayside while those who made demonstrably false statements are lauded with new jobs.

Where the hell is the concept of Karma when you need it! Hey, I can be wrong about everything too, hire me!

Posted by: Kiweagle on December 28, 2007 at 9:39 PM | PERMALINK

Great - now his lies can be "catapulted" throughout the land mighty wurlizter.

Said lie get printed in NYT, the rest of the media repeats said lie ad nauseum until it is generally accepted as "true" by the sheeple.

This is the way the nation was lied into war with Iraq.

Posted by: little bear on December 28, 2007 at 9:39 PM | PERMALINK

bdr slipped one in--6th comment.

Posted by: corpus juris on December 28, 2007 at 9:40 PM | PERMALINK

Kristol is like every clean, neat, well-educated, well-spoken, well-dressed, upper class thug. It's just impossible for other clean, neat, etc., etc., people to believe that he really is robbing banks and beating his wife.

I suppose it's unsurprising that the editors/owners of The Times are as gullible as every other upper class twit, but it's not consoling.

Posted by: clio on December 28, 2007 at 9:42 PM | PERMALINK

Eh. The Times feels like it has to have conservative columnists; unfortunately, every major conservative pundit, to a man/woman, is a bumbling liar. It's not like there's another pundit with Kristol's views that wouldn't be just as much of an embarrassment.

Posted by: kth on December 28, 2007 at 9:57 PM | PERMALINK

The Times desperately wants to be read by people who are not liberals: I can't blame them for that. Is it their fault so many conservatives are so crazy? Hiring a well-mannered thug for the editorial page is a far better compromise than allowing similar tripe on to the front page. Give Kristol enough rope, I say, and predict with confidence he won't last long...

Posted by: Kit Stolz on December 28, 2007 at 10:30 PM | PERMALINK

It’s time for the netroots to mobilize and organize an economic boycott of the sponsors of the MSM Neocon co-conspirators.

Start with the Times and Wapo. Pick a few of the leading sponsors, then circulate a call to boycott their products.

Posted by: larry on December 28, 2007 at 10:55 PM | PERMALINK

Will Ann Coultergeist take back her words about the NYT building now?

Posted by: Joe Klein's conscience on December 28, 2007 at 11:12 PM | PERMALINK

Brenda: "Except that Gen. Curtis LeMay was a genoine war hero who, right or wrong, bombed Tokyo into submission after taking over a failing Allied effort."

The 1944 American air campaign against Japan failed in large part because the Imperial Japanese Army launched a massive ground offensive in central China that successfully overran all the U.S. air bases there, which forced our Army Air Corps to rapidly redeploy its squadrons of B-29s hundreds of miles westward to escape the Japanese advance. Needless to say, this also effectively placed our bombers out of range of the Japanese home islands, which of course was the purpose of the Imperial Army's offensive.

(It is worth noting that Japan's two-plus million ground troops in eastern and southern China, having never been defeated in battle, continued to consolidate and expand that country's occupation of those regions well into 1945, when the Imperial High Command was forced to recall most of them to defend the home islands from an impending American invasion.)

The key to the Americans' ultimate success in the air war with Japan -- and this was an almost wholly American effort in both scope and engagement -- was Adm. Chester Nimitz's 1944 naval campaign in the central Pacific. This resulted in the seizure of Guam, Saipan and Tinian in the Northern Marianas by U.S. ground forces in late 1944, which once again placed our B-29s back in range of Japan proper. The U.S. Marines' hallmark triumph on Iwo Jima in February 1945 then provided for the active deployment of P-51 fighter squadrons, which escorted the bombers to their targets and eventually drove defending Japanese fighters from their homeland's skies.

Like Gen. Douglas MacArthur, the vainglorious Gen. Curtis LeMay's strategic contribution to the U.S. war effort has been consistently overstated by most pulp historians, who usually never venture far beyond examining both those generals' contemporary press releases and effective PR campaigns.

Suffice to say that neither of those two self-promoters could have ever succeeded without the corresponding valiant efforts of the U.S. Navy, which virtually destroyed the entire Imperial Japanese Navy over the course of thirty months, culminating in the Battle of Leyte Gulf in 1944, which stands as the largest single naval engagement in the history of warfare.

Posted by: Donald from Hawaii on December 28, 2007 at 11:12 PM | PERMALINK

Donald from Hawaii:
Have you read The Coldest Winter?

Posted by: Joe Klein's conscience on December 28, 2007 at 11:14 PM | PERMALINK

Sigh. If this is true, I will never buy another copy of the Times and I will never visit the Times website without some sort of adblock in place. This is just unforgivable.

Posted by: R Johnston on December 28, 2007 at 11:28 PM | PERMALINK

Look at it this way: Safire's on his last legs and they want their new geek up and ready to step into the pit and start biting from Day One.

Posted by: Steve Paradis on December 28, 2007 at 11:44 PM | PERMALINK

Joe Klein's Conscience: "Have you read The Coldest Winter?"

No, I haven't, which is too bad since David Halberstam is one of my favorite writers. What does he have to say about LeMay?

One of the best one-volume histories of the Korean conflict that I've read is Max Hastings' appropriately-named The Korean War. His account of the heroic but doomed British stand at the Injin River against an overwhelming Chinese force sent chills down my spine.

Posted by: Donald from Hawaii on December 28, 2007 at 11:46 PM | PERMALINK

Is Safire still alive? It's so hard to tell.

Posted by: craigie on December 28, 2007 at 11:47 PM | PERMALINK

Let's not forget that Kristol, with lotsa wingnut welfare money from all the usual suspects, co-founded the Project for the New American Century, one of the most aggressive "intellectual" instigators of the present catastrophe in Iraq, among other horrors. It's as if the NY Times had hired, say, a Nixon speechwriter to write columns after the Vietnam disaster... oh, wait.

Posted by: R. Porrofatto on December 28, 2007 at 11:58 PM | PERMALINK

If the Times wanted balance, they should have cut Bob Herbert and Gail Collins, and added a libertarian writer like Megan McArdle.

Instead they hire Bill Kristol, who is to evil what Jonah Goldberg is to stupid.

Posted by: lampwick on December 29, 2007 at 12:01 AM | PERMALINK
Compares to Kristol, Safire is a level headed liberal with a proven record of accurate punditry. It's also some time now since he had a regular column at the Times. Posted by: R Johnston on December 29, 2007 at 12:01 AM | PERMALINK

william Safire and William F. Buckley, Jr. are the two conservative pundits with whom liberals could have a fascinating conversation. While we might disagree with each other's respective ideas and notions, and although their arguments might come up short in the realm of public opinion, they have always shown due deference to the collective will of the majority regarding what was in the best interest of the country.

On the other hand, the well-educated and erudite William Kristol simply oozes insincerity and self-righteousness, as befitting the polished but smarmy spokesperson for a ruthless business cartel. Fact and truth are malleable to him, and public opinion is something to be manipulated, not respected.

In short, Kristol is the worst kind of shill. I might even hazard to guess that the wealthy beneficiaries of his advocacy probably don't think much of him either, regarding him in the same fashion as they might any common hooker.

Posted by: Donald from Hawaii on December 29, 2007 at 1:08 AM | PERMALINK

Donald from Hawaii:
He doesn't say anything about LeMay. He says a lot about MacArthur though. And basically what a disgrace Mac was while he was in charge of the forces in Korea.

Posted by: Joe Klein's conscience on December 29, 2007 at 1:12 AM | PERMALINK

I can't believe I'm saying this, but I'm starting to miss TimesSelect.

Posted by: MikeS on December 29, 2007 at 1:45 AM | PERMALINK

Me? I think it is in the genes.

His father (misdirectedly) started on the far left. As he aged he moved to the right, ending WAAaay out there.

Son Billy, having started with soothing tones, and finding himself also completely wrong, then moves further and further to the right trying to justify and argue his correctness.

Both these "intellectuals" are not. Both are as stupid as the year is long. And yet the media hangs on to WK. Why? Well, you can answer that one, can't you?

Just put your lips together -- like this -- and blow.

There are so many so-called "intellectuals" on the right who wouldn't know a Hypothesis or a Refutation if they were run over by them.

The country is being led by idiots.

Posted by: notthere on December 29, 2007 at 1:59 AM | PERMALINK

Steve, you're falling down on the job. No cats? But don't worry, folks. Fresh cats right here!

Posted by: thersites on December 29, 2007 at 2:25 AM | PERMALINK

amazing. I wonder how much brooks kicked in?

Posted by: supersaurus on December 29, 2007 at 6:47 AM | PERMALINK

The Republican PR machine (Rove, Dowd ...) is methodically injecting itself in the msm. This seems to be a long-term strategy of making sure that when the dems win, in likelihood, the presidency and increase margins in both the house, their job will be made very difficult with a lot of noise in the media adversely effecting the democratic message and policy direction.

Posted by: bbdb on December 29, 2007 at 6:49 AM | PERMALINK

"A bitter, sycophantic belligerence"? Kristol might be bitter, he might be sycophantic, he might be belligerent, he might be bitterly belligerent, he might be belligerent because he is a sycophant, but can someone really have a "bitter, sycophantic belligerence"? Is that like a "toadying bellicosity"? It don't sound quite right ter me, yep.

I HATE seeing him on TV, I turn the channel. He and Orrin Hatch share the award for Slimiest Smugness In a Washington Tool, Honors Hypocrisy Division.

Posted by: Anon on December 29, 2007 at 7:09 AM | PERMALINK

I think this is a shrewd move by the Times. Because when you hire the Mxyztplk of elite opinion makers, you can just divine what is correct by taking what little Billy has to write and make it opposite. There is some enterprising Times columnist out there who will make a mint by just writing a copy of a Kristol column with every "up" turned into a "down" and every "no" turned into a "yes". One only has to look at Kristol's insane performance on last weeks Fox News Sunday to know how true that is.

Posted by: calipygian on December 29, 2007 at 7:13 AM | PERMALINK

If it were a swap for the similarly idiotic David Brooks, that might be acceptable. But both morons on the editorial page?

Posted by: bob h on December 29, 2007 at 7:28 AM | PERMALINK

Actually, the following excerpt from Ray McGovern's latest strongly suggests this remarkably perverse decision is entirely understandable, though it's not at all commendable or "in the public interest":

Creeping Fascism: History's Lessons
By Ray McGovern

... Goebbels Would be Proud

It has been two years since top New York Times officials decided to let the rest of us in on the fact that the George W. Bush administration had been eavesdropping on American citizens without the court warrants required by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) of 1978.

The Times had learned of this well before the election in 2004 and acquiesced to White House entreaties to suppress the damaging information.

In late fall 2005 when Times correspondent James Risen's book, "State of War: the Secret History of the CIA and the Bush Administration," revealing the warrantless eavesdropping was being printed, Times publisher, Arthur Sulzberger, Jr., recognized that he could procrastinate no longer.

It would simply be too embarrassing to have Risen's book on the street, with Sulzberger and his associates pretending that this explosive eavesdropping story did not fit Adolph Ochs's trademark criterion: "All The News That's Fit To Print."

(The Times' own ombudsman, Public Editor Byron Calame, branded the newspaper's explanation for the long delay in publishing this story "woefully inadequate.")

When Sulzberger told his friends in the White House that he could no longer hold off on publishing in the newspaper, he was summoned to the Oval Office for a counseling session with the president on Dec. 5, 2005. Bush tried in vain to talk him out of putting the story in the Times. ...

Posted by: Poilu on December 29, 2007 at 7:38 AM | PERMALINK

Interesting to note, too, that George Seldes -- himself a prominent icon of American journalism -- recognized these tainted realities inherent to the mainstream media way back when:

Is the Entire Press Corrupt?
By George Seldes [1942]

Posted by: Poilu on December 29, 2007 at 8:21 AM | PERMALINK

Just to be contrarian: it might be the case that most people—not as plugged in as we—aren't as upset about the sheer vacuity of the "intellectual" underpinnings of movement conservatives mainly because they are never directly exposed to them. Could it not perhaps be of benefit for Mr. Kristol to be exposed to the light of day? I myself am not sure I buy this, but one never knows....

Posted by: jhm on December 29, 2007 at 8:52 AM | PERMALINK

This kraptacular lying shit in the Times. With Brooksy? Oh fey!

I guess the Times has to balance fact with propaganda. I'd rather a bullet in this fucker's head. (not much of a liberal, I'm sorry...)

Posted by: snicker-snack on December 29, 2007 at 9:00 AM | PERMALINK

All of us like to read things we agree with, including wack jobs. Their views should be printed just like those that make sense. Besides, if someone doesn’t publish what the crazies are saying, how will we know?

Posted by: Ron on December 29, 2007 at 9:07 AM | PERMALINK

figuratively speaking of course. And of course Ron you're right. It's best to give these views exposure to the light. Could we relegate it to the funnies section though?

Posted by: snicker-snack on December 29, 2007 at 9:11 AM | PERMALINK

And that's why the MSM is a joke that no thinking person should take seriously.

Posted by: anon on December 29, 2007 at 9:12 AM | PERMALINK

Tf this comes to pass, it will be the final demise of the fish-wrapping and bird-cage liner of record.

Posted by: raj on December 29, 2007 at 9:15 AM | PERMALINK

And a din and a hue did arise...
as planned by the NYT

Posted by: apeman on December 29, 2007 at 9:32 AM | PERMALINK


Posted by: snicker-snack on December 29, 2007 at 9:40 AM | PERMALINK

Kristol's on-going advocacy of genocide against Arabs, should have earned him a seat in the dock at a war crimes trial, not an editorship at a major American newspaper.

How degenerate has American journalism become?

Posted by: The Conservative Deflator on December 29, 2007 at 10:29 AM | PERMALINK

Safire was a congenital liar and stenographer for the Likud Party. Since he retired, there is currently no one who channels that party line (or its spinoff Kadima Party) directly.
Kristol, who has never been right or even accurate, would be perfect for the job. He would be a great fit with Brooks, Dowd, and Collins: tendentious and vapid at their core.

Just finished Coldest Winter which I also recommend as a great read about a forgotten war. It contains a lot about McArthur's poodle, Ned Almond, who was another disastrous general in way over his head and whose foolishness cost many American lives needlessly. The book also covers the political climate of the times very well. You get a good feel for that era: the McCarthyism, the red-baiting, and the beginnings of the Republican Party's devolution to the authoritarian party of hate.

Posted by: Mike on December 29, 2007 at 12:06 PM | PERMALINK

The thread by which the credibility and integrity of the New York Times was hanging has just been cut by the hiring of Bill Kristol. He has been so wrong so many times, he should not be able to get a job any where. The NYT is obviously run by FOOLS.

Posted by: Mazurka on December 29, 2007 at 12:45 PM | PERMALINK

@Mike: I am also almost finished with The Coldest Winter, and, just based on what Halberstam had to say,

1) MacArthur was a major league asshole who got thousands of troops killed because he was a racist bastard who lived in a fantasy world,

2) Mark Almond was also a major league asshole who didn't know how to be a general because he wanted to play battalion commander too much, and he was a racist bastard to Asians and African-Americans, and

3) General Willoughby, MacArthur's Chief of Intel was probably an unreconstructed Nazi who, given his self-importance and ability to fantasize, probably would have been given a job in Cheney's office liaising with the CIA and DIA in the run up to the Iraq War.

Reading the book, I am amazed that we didn't lose badly and that there is one Korea dominated by Kim Jong Il today.

Posted by: calipygian on December 29, 2007 at 1:08 PM | PERMALINK

Ned Almond vice Mark Almond. Marc Almond is a member of the 80s synthpop duo Soft Cell. You know, "Tainted Love" and all that shite.

Mea Culpa.

Posted by: calipygian on December 29, 2007 at 1:13 PM | PERMALINK

The New York Times hires William Kristol. The Los Angeles Times hires Jonah Goldberg. The Philadelphia Inquirer hires Rick Santorum. The Washington Post hires Michael Gerson. These cities are overwhelmingly Democratic surrounded by increasingly Democratic suburbs. And these newspapers wonder why they are losing circulation!

Posted by: Vadranor on December 29, 2007 at 1:49 PM | PERMALINK

It never hurts to let the "leadership" (a loose term these days) at the NY Times know what you think of their latest move. I have sent them a detailed letter indicating I think they have just given credibility to a man whose entire life's work has been to serve as an apologist for military intervention as the solution to all challenges facing America and who has been a major figure in pushing administration talking points in support of a clearly failed "policy" of using military might to rule the world and destroying the Constitution to "save us" from terrorism.

A truly ghastly and awful decision, but hardly unexpected in these times. Each of you should take a moment or two go send a message to the public editor and the executive editor and let them know what you feel. Just possibly they might reconsider if enough people did so.

Doing nothing ensures Mr. Kristol's success in finding a new platform from which to spew his vitriol and lies.

Posted by: dweb on December 29, 2007 at 2:05 PM | PERMALINK

Charles Krauthammer gets to spew his vile perspective every Monday in the Irish Times - supposedly a liberal newspaper.

Posted by: tp on December 29, 2007 at 2:29 PM | PERMALINK

So, for me, the real question is: How do we get Kristol fired from the NYT?

Think about it, if a raving lunatic from the left had gotten a high profile job like this, the hue and cry from the right would have been never ending until they were driven from the job.

Same thing needs to apply for this dim bulb.

The country will never function properly until his like are completely unemployable.

Posted by: TB on December 29, 2007 at 3:14 PM | PERMALINK

If a person is "too smart to believe his own agitprop", then what the hell point is there in his being a columnist? (Well, no true good reason, but there's always the support of the DC insider/corporatist culture that owns NYT etc. that such a whore provides.)

Posted by: Neil B. on December 29, 2007 at 3:40 PM | PERMALINK

BTW, isn't it hilarious (if it wasn't so sad, as many upthread and elsewhere have touched) that indeed the "MSM" is not credible, but for far different reasons than average dittoheads and right-wing spokesmongers provide!

Posted by: Neil B. on December 29, 2007 at 3:42 PM | PERMALINK

Unless the NYT is putting Kristol on the funny pages, they'll never get me to subscribe or visit their web site.

Posted by: AJ on December 29, 2007 at 4:56 PM | PERMALINK

Instead they hire Bill Kristol, who is to evil what Jonah Goldberg is to stupid.
Posted by: lampwick


"And there is distrust in Washington. I am surprised, frankly, at the amount of distrust that exists in this town. And I'm sorry it's the case, and I'll work hard to try to elevate it." - GWB (aka The Thief, Resident Evil, Shrub)

Posted by: MsNThrope on December 29, 2007 at 5:55 PM | PERMALINK

1) MacArthur was a major league asshole who got thousands of troops killed because he was a racist bastard who lived in a fantasy world,

A vainglorious fuck-up.

Posted by: MsNThrope on December 29, 2007 at 5:57 PM | PERMALINK

“Steve, I think we all agree that 1) Bill Kristol is a douche bag and 2) the Gray Lady ain't what she used to be.”

Then the Grey Lady should feel refreshed after her refreshing Kristol douche.

As a leading Neocon propagandist, he has caused untold harm to US security and strategic interests. He is sure to add more value as a feminine hygiene product.

Posted by: darrel on December 29, 2007 at 8:49 PM | PERMALINK

So this was Pinch Sulzberger's decision, right? This just shows you what happens to a company when it's placed in the hands of an heir of low intelligence, or, at best, very, very mediocre intelligence.

The Times Company, like the WSJ and CNN, was supposedly led by people who cared about the public interest. While they had the chance, all three organizations should have founded "educational" arms with reporters in endowed fellowships--the best reporters in the world, serving with integrity. And more and more of them, fellowship after fellowship, to create reporting and newspapers of incredible depth.

Instead, the New York Times, the WSJ, and CNN, just continue to continually sell out, cheapening their products.

Posted by: Anon on December 29, 2007 at 9:07 PM | PERMALINK

So, Arthur Ochs Sulzberger Jr shows his true colors. Judy Miller and her Neocon lies and propaganda was no aberration.
NYT, a leader in advocating Neocon policies grievously harmful to US security and strategic interests.
NYT, a leading propagandists supporting horrendous war crimes.

Posted by: benny on December 29, 2007 at 9:52 PM | PERMALINK

I have now cancelled my subscription to the NYTimes after 27 years. I am a serious loss for them - a paying customer!

I'll be in withdrawal by Thursday.

Posted by: MrEdCT on December 29, 2007 at 10:03 PM | PERMALINK

Why does Kristol wear so much makeup when he is spewing on Fox? He looks like a cross between a ghoul and a transvestite.

Posted by: del on December 29, 2007 at 10:09 PM | PERMALINK

Should sell papers. Could have a Joe Lieberman and Jonathon Pollard column also.

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