I am mystified as to why anyone would take Ron Paul's denials seriously when he doesn't name the allegedly guilty party, so we can get their side of the story.

According to the Paul camp, the author of these pieces took advantage of Ron Paul's good name to spread vile and reprehensible opinions, effectively traducing and defaming Dr. Paul. And yet Paul continues to shield the author. So how is Paul distancing himself?

Heh, heh. It was a beautiful day in Southern California, and Mr. Kevin Drum was restless and somewhat bored, so he threw some big honking chunks of red meat into the cage of insane tigers.

I withheld judgement on Paul, saying I wanted to hear a case of racism out of his own (or pen). After all, I'd read his statements about MLK being a great man, praising Muhammad Ali, and his "racism is a sin of the heart."

Then [he just wrote this http://www.antiwar.com/paul/?articleid=12180]:

Musharraf, unfortunately, appears to have learned how to work our system, much in the way a career welfare recipient has learned to do the same. The perpetual welfare recipient promises to look for a job.

I think he's inadvertently shown the background his mind works with.

As a dedicated fruitcake maker and eater I am a bit appalled at your association here.

He's not a fruitcake, he's a whoo-whoo entering into his twilight years.

But the Kool-Aid drinkers will say that all this has been debunked.

And what shortstop said.

This whole affair highlights one of the reasons that I wish everyone would stop swooning over minor candidates who play the part of bold truthteller. When you have no chance of winning and therefore nothing to risk, it's cheap and easy to stick to your guns.

"This whole affair" demonstrates the peril of unexamined swooning over politicians, which I agree is perilous, if only because the inevitable backlash will obscure the truths one wants boldly told. But ignoring billionaire vanity candidates and single-issue crusaders just because they are often reduced to bold truth-telling is equally perilous.

Bold truth-telling has merit beyond distinguishing minor candidates, and I think we should encourage as much of it as possible. In fact, minor candidates trying to grab headlines by goring sacred cows is about the only saving grace of our otherwise stupid first-past-the-post electoral system.

I actually think this is worse than typical racism. To a degree, racism is just being incorrect. You pappy told you a bunch of stuff and you believed him.

But to be complicit with racism means you are willfully going along with it. You are actually choosing evil. I find that far worse.

Paul is a politician from Texas.

Please don't get me started on Dennis Kucinich, who parades around as an uncompromising liberal on the presidential stump, but when the county neighboring his district tries to build a commuter rail to Cleveland to cut down on pollution and urban sprawl, he promptly bows to NIMBYism and squelches it.

Crap, you guys got me started.

It's also obvious that his Texas constituency is complicit. He was publishing this racist trash and his voters knew it, yet they kept sending him back to Congress and giving him a large platform to continue the practice. The voters should also be roundly criticized. And Texans wonder why they're held in such low esteem and credibility.

When I think of Ron Paul, I think of a diagram that my Political Science 101 teacher in college drew on the blackboard. He said that the political spectrum is not linear, it is more like a circle. If you go far enough right and far enough left, the viewpoints converge. I consider myself a leftist (and proud of it), but I find myself agreeing with Ron Paul on a number of topics (but not all). Maybe because he is so far right, that my leftist views converge with his....

However, some of his views are simply ill-informed and dangerous - like eliminating the Federal Reserve. If you think you can snap your fingers and eliminate the Fed without the economy coming to a grinding halt, you simply don't know what the Fed does. From clearing checks, to running the Fedwire and ACH systems, to paying new currency into and removing old currency from circulation, to securities transfers between banks to the discount window operation to banking regulation, the Fed is a critical, absolutely essential lubricant for our free market economy. And it ain't owned by the Illuminati or the Bilderbergers, either, folks.

Explosion from the RonPaulites in...tick...tick...tick...tick...

Otherwise he risks damaging not only his own reputation, but that of the philosophy to which he has committed his life.

But the problem is the philosophy to which Ron Paul has committed his life. One of the cornerstones of American libertarianism is the notion that once people are truly free, the whole melting pot problem will be solved because people will sort themselves into groups with similar ideas and interests. If you're in a community where you aren't welcome, say the libertarians, you are always free to move somewhere where you would be welcome. The racists and Nazis are attracted to libertarianism because they see in it the promise of self-rule.

"Question: what's the difference between a "racist" and someone who was "complicit in a strategy of pandering to racists"? Nothing, as far as I can tell, except that at least the former is bit more honest about things."

Seems like there is a pretty clear distinction. The former hold racist views, and are thus either stupid or badly indoctrinated. The later do not hold racist views but enable those who do for personal profit. That is certainly sleazy.

Not saying one is better than the other but they are very different things.

I find it funny that no one can seem to find bad things about Mr.Paul except this stupid story that whoever wrote this dwell's on. Who ever you are, I would like to give you a peice of advice. First, actually look at Mr. Pauls veiws and compare them with the constitution, second think about the future of your children, and their childrens future, if you dont do anything now, and what kind of world it will be, third just for the heck of it actualy read the patriot act, and you will clearly see that bush is planning to not let a new president in if the right one does not get elected, by exersizing the decleration of marshall law. ( someone who will not agree with THE NORTH AMERICAN UNION). If he actually does this you will see another staged terrorist attack, or other emergency, between Dec and Jan of this comming year. All this is in the patriot act should you choose to read it. Bush has Illegaly gave himself the right not to allow another president to get into office.

Last but not least be a optumist

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3dAnSMzUlo

Ron Paul's attack on the Federal Reserve system is warranted.My question is how do you throw the rascals out and save the economy when the rascals control everything? To think that a corrupt system can function without corruption is a long reach.

I cheer for RP for all the reasons Eric mentions. At least some bold (but embarassing) truths get publicly aired. Cheering for him, and voting for him are of course quite different matters here. Perhaps his bold truths can manage to budge the Overton window just a bit.

From the fag-bashing Evangelicals, to the state-rights racists, from the authoritarian fascists, to the strip-mall hero-worshipers.

I'd say the GOP candidates are fairly representative of their constituents this year.

(i am going to hell)

THE NORTH AMERICAN UNION

Ah yes, the SHADOWY CONSPIRACY that is evidenced by SHADOWY PLANS to build a giant freeway connecting Mexico and Canada.

A giant freeway!

Like Interstate 5, I guess, but somehow MORE EVIL!

have you read the newsletters yourself? or only 'about' the newsletters? and i don't think you have the timeline straight either. a handful of selected quotes from different authors taken out of context is really not all that damning.and keep your opinion to yourself if all you are going to do is repeat unresearched gossip. when he found out what was being written he took care of it. and there is no point to revealing who did write the stuff. he may or may not know, but why should they be exposed? did they commit a crime? are they running for office? it wouldn't settle anything,make anybody happier. it woudld just be more raw meat for the dogs to go after. but there ultimately would be no point made.

You know what runs on the NORTH AMERICA UNION Interstate? NORTH AMERICA UNION cars!!!

Open borders with no tariffs is so libertarian... I mean unlibertarian... I mean.....

Jesus H. Christ, Kevin, that one link had 420 posts. I wonder if that is your all time record. You ought to post the "top 10 threads of all time" or something on your web page. I thought the Les Paul guitar thread topped, but that was just about 360 posts. Whew!

Question: what's the difference between a "racist" and someone who was "complicit in a strategy of pandering to racists"? Nothing, as far as I can tell

I take this to mean you believe Hillary Clinton is a racist then. Glad we got that ironed out.

Bold truth-telling has merit beyond distinguishing minor candidates, and I think we should encourage as much of it as possible. In fact, minor candidates trying to grab headlines by goring sacred cows is about the only saving grace of our otherwise stupid first-past-the-post electoral system.

Seconded.

"Like Interstate 5, I guess, but somehow MORE EVIL!"

You forgot to go DUN DUN DUN!

Paul's defense is, essentially, "I'm not a racist, I'm just the sort of towering moron who holds political ambition, and thus allows the publishing of a political newsletter in my name, in order to raise money, while being unaware for several years of what the newsletter contains."

When this is considered the best defense, well, that pretty much says it all.

I will miss teasing the Paultards.

i think you need to consider the way politics is done in the usa. let us never forget that zenith of the reptillian establishment, george herbert walker bush, and willie horton. nor should we forget his feigned love for "cracker" delights, pork rinds.

i don't read a lot of pol newsletters, nor attend a lot of pol events these days, but from where i have lived[ohio, massachusetts, northern virginia, to colorado, to texas] i have certainly heard and read major pols and major candidates say things that were certainly targeted at various constituencies. and if not overtly rascist, demeaning, the remarks were carefully encoded so that the audience heard the message that the pol had identified as what was desired.

the constituency of ron paul's congressional district is overwelmingly white oil field trash...it is a land of urban cowboy, redneck mothers. cumbaya is a noble ideal, but in that congressional district[and in thousands of others throughout the usa] it won't get you elected to any office.

as to the pejorative of "loopy" conspiracy theory, let us stop that slander right now, mr drumhead. if you think that the understanding of how the bushit regime stimulated this country to invade first afghanistan, then iraq is an understanding only held by "loopy" conspiracy theorists, then i would have to identify you as a prevaricator, a reptillian spin-meister[at heart].

it is HISTORY, not conspiracy theory that the bushit regime conspired to deceive the us congress and the american electorate so as to facilitate these invasions. as paul o'neill has related in his memoirs, these invasions were active agenda items at the first cabinet meeting that he attended[within hours after bushit's inauguration].

it is HISTORY, not conspiracy theory, that the orders of the potus[george walker bush] prohibited the normal/routine investigations of 4 commercial airliner accidents that occurred on 11/09/01.

it is HISTORY, not conspiracy theory, that the MSM cooperated/has cooperated with the bushit regime to not investigate these stories. in fact, cooperated/continues to cooperate so as to facilitate the potus conspiracies to deceive.

it is HISTORY now, not conspiracy theory, that the U S DEPT OF THE TREASURY, and the BANKERS' AGENT[alan greenspan], and the SEC, conspired to allow the u.s. banking system to create financial instruments that are proving to be, to have been, as notional/fradulent as saddam hussein's involvement in the events of 11/09/01.

if it is that you still don't recognise that these events have been created by conspiracies, then i must inform you, you are the "loopy" one.

in closing, by and large, HISTORY is the record of conspiracies. for one not to recognize that is to announce that one is as sentient as a stalk of brussels sprouts.

Question: what's the difference between a "racist" and someone who was "complicit in a strategy of pandering to racists"? Nothing, as far as I can tell, except that at least the former is bit more honest about things.

Well, there's arguably a difference of some sort, but when your defense is one that George Wallace could have made, you're on pretty weak ground. Wallace wasn't personally a racist, as far as one can tell. He just pandered to racists to get votes. Can somebody explain why Paul is better than Wallace?

Well, not quite all. It should be noted that those who closely identify with a party which gives a speaking slot at their national convention to a person who has urged others to drive a "white interloper" out of a neighborhood, a person who stood by silently while an associate urged a mob to "make this cracker suffer", prior to a homicidal firebombing, and does not decry the party's decision to give such a speaking slot to such a person, is not in a good position to castigate Paul.

Like Interstate 5, I guess, but somehow MORE EVIL!

It's been done. They built I-35 - which interestingly enough intersects with the Highway to Hell (I-70) about two miles from my house.

obamaw will take often

oops, that should read:

obamaw will take often

Hilarious, Keep the hate coming.

All you have is decade old newsletters to hit Ron with and no real evidence he even wrote them or have a transcript of any speech he has made that would support your wacked out theory of him being a racist.

I love you guys. Keep it coming. the more people Google ron paul, the more people see he is a REAL conservative.

Oh yeah, did you not read the fact that the head of the NAACP stated Ron Paul is not a racist? He has known Ron Paul for over 20 years.

Just Google NAACP and Ron Paul. Go ahead, give it a shot. Get informed.

PS. HA HA HA HA HA HA!

People have being brain-washed to think we need the Fed-Res. Please!
No we don't since they only pay the crazy accumulating interest in the debts we have from China and others!
It does nothing for us! NOTHING>>>>> People think they need it-no we don't. We need to cut the budget to 2000 level and the difference alone from 2008's budget will approximate what the government is forcing the american people to [pay out in income taxes.
Get an economics book-It would work following a schedule/plan... What is the option? Continue this unwinnable war for 100 years while China already owns us and could take us over because how much we have borrowed from them?
We could become their slaves!
It has happened before-America is in deception thinking it can't happen again....
Also, the NAFTA superhighway is not on Ron Paul's imagination like the other real "flakey" candidates want to make you believe.. It is in the Government from Canada's website and also-Vicente FOx was in LArry King (OCT 2007). He said it was the long term goal from pres Bush and him to build it but that it would take time... People... this is real. EVERYTHING RON PAUL says you can verify...
Also, why are you still saying Ron Paul doesn't have a chance when actually you continue to promote the other 2 loser candidates (Ron beat them -again!) they are the long shots! My goodness do you have a conscience? How can you sleep at night....?
www.thecaseforronpaul.com
www.ultimateronpaul.com

My hard earned money is going to Ron Paul.
I have hope in America and must have it for my children -(boys)-which may get drafted to this flakey-unwinnable war that is bankrupting our country!
Please reconsider and study Ron Paul-don't believe everythin you hear.
Ron Paul 2008!

I have absolutely no interest in Ron Paul, as a person or as a politician, but I must point out (with a large number of caveats that we can't go into here) that his criticisms of the fed, and of the fiat money system, do have some merit. His solutions might not be the most sensible ones, (although he hasn't articulated a fully formed policy) but i think it's definitely time the country took a good close look at the structure of this whole financial monolith it has built.

Lew Rockwell, who appears to have written the piece, was a semi-regular blogger at the Huffington Post until a story broke in August of 2006 that he was having an affair with.... Cindy Sheehan!

You can't make this stuff up!

...whoever wrote this dwell's on. Who ever you are...
be a optumist
don't believe everythin you hear

Along with everything else, the paulbots have liberated themselves from the oppressive rules of spelling and grammar. This is America, kids. Now learn to speak and write English.

Vicente FOx was in LArry King
Now there's a scandal!

NAFTA superhighway is not on Ron Paul's imagination
No, I suppose not. If it exists it's probably on the ground.

keep your opinion to yourself
Love them libertarians!

Did you ever think about doing real journalism for a change and actually read the newsletters for yourself to see if they are being presented in the proper context?

Oh, what am I thinking. It's obvious by the name calling throughout this article you don't give a damn about anything other than a hit piece.

Oh yeah, did you not read the fact that the head of the NAACP stated Ron Paul is not a racist? He has known Ron Paul for over 20 years.

so if the head of the NAACP said Ron Paul was a racist, david, then you'd agree? what's that? you wouldn't? I see. then why are you citing his opinion?

Yeah, we've taken a look at the letters. We've also taken a look at the mail that went out to get people to subscribe to them, and we got some nice conspiracy wackiness there.

So yeah, "loopy" is the right word.

Ron Paul seems to have managed to swoop up together in one net a sizable chunk of the conspiracy-fantasy groups the US has had for the last several decades. Doesn't seem to have gotten the "moon landing was faked!" conspiracy nuts nor the weirder minority group nuts, but he's managed to suck money out of everyone else.

Have fun, suckers!

The problem with the Federal Reserve System is its corruption by the capitalists it is supposed to protect the rest of the economy from. To simply remove the Federal Reserve from the market would increase economic volatility and fraud. The Fed needs to be overhauled; the influence of the wealthy corporations should be downgraded and Reagan's supply sider ideology discarded so the Fed can perform its public service.

badmedia: new around here? Kevin Drum doesn't have it within himself to look through the newsletters and try to separate the bad from the good. He just does what he's told in some way or other.

The reader should really do some research into some of the "conspiracy theories" Ron Paul discusses and which hacks dismiss out of hand. Ask yourself who profits from trying to dismiss everything RP discusses.

Here's my discussion of the TNR article, and see my archive in the sidebar all about the NorthAmericanUnion. Turns out there's a map on a Canadian government website showing the NAFTASuperhighway - marked as the "NAFTASuperhighway" - despite Kevin Drum telling us it doesn't exist.

Speaking of eccentrics, you can learn all about the people behind the attacks on Ron Paul, Jamie Kirchik and Martin Peretz, at:

http://vdare.com/sailer/080113_paul.htm

There are some pretty funny stories...

The Dude's district incorporates Beaumont and its surrounding cities, no shit he panders to racists! No one wins there unless they do.

Check out how this bitch tries to play off the area's wrongness...

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/12/21/racism.guestcommentary/index.html

Tigers, tigers, burning bright.

Please google interview,

"NAACP President: Ron Paul Is Not A Racist", Austin, TX, KLBJ Alex Jones radio show, 1/13/08.

The following is a partial transcript from that show.

Will CBS air this? Or will the "Political Animal" report this? Doubt it..... but here it is. I thought I'd make it easy for you........

Linder says Paul being smeared because he is a threat to the establishmentAustin NAACP President Nelson Linder, who has known Ron Paul for 20 years, unequivocally dismissed charges that the Congressman was a racist in light of recent smear attempts, and said the reason for him being attacked was that he was a threat to the establishment.
Linder joined Alex Jones for two segments on his KLBJ Sunday show this evening, during which he commented on the controversy created by media hit pieces that attempted to tarnish Paul as a racist by making him culpable for decades old newsletter articles written by other people.
"Knowing Ron Paul's intent, I think he is trying to improve this country but I think also, when you talk about the Constitution and you constantly criticize the federal government versus state I think a lot of folks are going to misconstrue that....so I think it's very easy for folks who want to to take his position out of context and that's what I'm hearing," said Linder.
"Knowing Ron Paul and having talked to him, I think he's a very fair guy I just think that a lot of folks do not understand the Libertarian platform," he added.
Asked directly if Ron Paul was a racist, Linder responded "No I don't," adding that he had heard Ron Paul speak out about police repression of black communities and mandatory minimum sentences on many occasions.
Dr. Paul has also publicly praised Martin Luther King as his hero on many occasions spanning back 20 years.
"I've read Ron Paul's whole philosophy, I also understand what he's saying from a political standpoint and why people are attacking him," said Linder.
"If you scare the folks that have the money, they're going to attack you and they're going to take it out of context," he added.
"What he's saying is really really threatening the powers that be and that's what they fear," concluded the NAACP President.

Wow. What a piece of garbage. Let me make a long story short, since it’s the JV “blogging” thing to do – you can not kill Ron Paul or his ideas. My children’s future is what I care about most and Obama, Hillary, McCain, Fat Huckabee, and Levered Long Romney offer no solutions to the near term bankruptcy of this country. If you think the status quo is acceptable, then I contend you are a monkey. If you can not explain our monetary system or understand why our current account deficit is unsustainable (if you don’t know what Dr Paul is talking about when he says China is our banker), you should hang it up and never vote again because you are dangerous. We all forgive Ron because there is no other alternative.

Steve, thanks for the web-site, it sheds a lot more light. I'll check into this, but since Kevin can post without research, so will I...
From http://vdare.com/sailer/080113_paul.htm
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In sharp contrast, Kirchick's boss, Marty Peretz, is the reincarnation of St. Francis of Assisi.

Oh, oops, check that … As Alterman points out, Peretz is in thrall to an "obsessive and unapologetic hatred of Arabs". Alterman quotes Peretz as recently saying about Arabs:

“They are ‘violent, fratricidal, unreliable, primitive and crazed … barbarian’; they have created a ‘wretched society’ and are ‘cruel, belligerent, intolerant, fearing’; they are ‘murderous and grotesque’ and ‘can't even run a post office’; their societies ‘have gone bonkers over jihad’ and they are ‘feigning outrage when they protest what they call American (or Israeli) atrocities’; they ‘behave like lemmings’, and ‘are not shocked at all by what in truth must seem to them not atrocious at all’; and to top it all off, their rugs are not as ‘subtle’ and are more ‘glimmery’ than those of the Berbers."

leila, think for yourself. Go to Beaumont. Here, let me tell you a story...

I once had a small business in Austin, TX slinging network and telecom cable as a subcontractor for larger companies who couldn't handle the grunt work. Anyway, I once took a job in Beaumont. I had one African American and two Mexican Americans on my crew that weekend. On our VERY FIRST LUNCH BREAK we went to McDonalds. It was busy and all, so we waited in line awhile. When we got to the counter, I let my employees order first. The bitch at the counter looked over them and asked me what I wanted. I told the bitch there were people in front of me. She proceeded to ignore me and move to the next white behind me. We stood there as they served everyone there until me and the minorities were left. Then they served us. The manager came out and buffed up his chest. My employees got their food and walked away. I told that mother fucker I wouldn't eat the trash he was serving and flicked the tray with the food and drink I just bought over the counter and onto the floor at his feet. He didn't have the numbers, so the pansy just stood there.

We got sandwich shit from convenient stores the rest of the weekend. So, fuck Paul, and Beaumont...

The fact that a consumption tax is also a wealth tax is well know and one of the reasons consumption taxes are attractive. Yes, somebody who managed to save $600,000 out of the same income as somebody who manged to save less is going to do less well under this system, but so what? Why is this any more unfair that somebody who earned $600,000 more because they worked harder and is less well off under an income tax system? Consumption and income taxes both take more from the more virtuous - higher savers or harder workers -- and more from those who have more, either more wealth or higher paid abilities.

The good thing about a consumption tax is that it taxes wealth and there is nothing those with wealth now can do about it now. If you think that wealth taxes are unfair to the less well off, then just raise Social Security payments.

So what is the objection here? Yes, taxes are 'unfair', but there's nothing special about consumption taxes here.

If you read Ron Pauls words for what they say and not read your own interpretation. You will see he is nothing but honest. His phylosophy is OBJECTIVISM while also believing in God. He is a fan of Ayn Rand who developed objectivism and wrote Atlas Shrugged. He even named his son Rand. Wow! If you know her phylosophy you would know racism is simply irrational. I have a colleague who is a Democrat and who always votes for Ron Paul. I asked him why. He said, "first of all I did residency with the man. He is one of the smartest people I know and he is absolutley honest. Those thing are important to me."

Question: what's the difference between a "racist" and someone who was "complicit in a strategy of pandering to racists"?

Follow-up question: What's the difference between saying, "I take moral responsibility," and just flapping one's lips with no sound coming out?

I ain't voting for Ron Paul, and I hate racism, but I have to agree that if all you have is ten year old or older writings and no real proof he wrote them, then all that comes to pretty weak tea.

With other people it has been much more clear: speeches in front of Congress. Pictures taken with the KKK. Patterns of votes. Acts taken by them.

Paul is an MD, is there any hint of racism in his treatment of patients?

Paul is a representative, is there any hint of racism in his speeches before Congress, OR in his votes?

Kevin, where I come from in the Democratic 818, your living behind the Orange Curtain pretty much makes you complicit in pandering to racists and John Birchers. Yes or no, have you canceled your subscription to the Orange County Register yet? Yes, or no, it's a simple question and your obfuscations tell me all I need to know.

Come back when you have actual proof.

Elmo, while I applaud your stand against racism, you appear to be a sexist and a homophobe.

Ron Paul -- because the nation is finally ready for a man to campaign hard against Abraham Lincoln.

Think again, jerry. I attack morons where it hurts them the most in language they can easily understand. Believe what you want, but I was raised by an activist grandmother who marched on a courthouse in Dallas with disenfranchised blacks demanding to sit in court during their own trials! And I have many gay friends. I just have learned how to poke wackos where it hurts them the most. Uncle Sam gave me my rudeness, but I am an equal opportunity bitchslapper...

And for the record, I am for a modest consumption tax. As long as it is coupled with a progressive income tax starting at say...75k to 80k a year of ALL earnings.

your living behind the Orange Curtain pretty much makes you complicit in pandering to racists and John Birchers.

jerry, first time I have seen mention of this "Orange Curtain" terminology. Let us in on more! I've never been west of the continental divide...

Blah Blah Blah Blah
Elmo's song!

Yes Elmo, some of my best friends are Jews, there's no way I can be anti-semitic. You have convinced me your grandmother is an okay soul, you just haven't convinced me you are.

Has the swarm hit? Can hardly bear to read comments.

Elmo's song!

Never heard that one before, jer. Want to get in a rude-fest, Paulinator? I live for this shit...

Looks like to be a Paul supporter, you have to be really, really ignorant about what the Constitution says, about economics, about personal responsibility for what you publish in your own name, and lots of other stuff. Their punctuation is atrocious as well.

If Paul didn't agree with racist trash, why did he allow it to be printed in his own publication, entitled "The Ron Paul Political Report"?

Clearly, Ron Paul's true believers don't mind that he used to use the vilest sort of racist garbage to rake in contributions, or that he has numerous connections to racist institutions, or that he has neo-Nazis on his staff.

If the Paulists are comfortable with this, we don't have to wonder what sort of people they are.

Oh, and jer, get aloud of this...

http://faithoftheabomination.blogspot.com/

I am helping two of my best friends (lesbians) put this together...

His phylosophy is OBJECTIVISM while also believing in God. He is a fan of Ayn Rand who developed objectivism and wrote Atlas Shrugged. He even named his son Rand. Wow! If you know her phylosophy you would know racism is simply irrational.

There are those who would tell you that belief in God is irrational as well, but that doesn't stop Ron Paul from believing so.

You would also think that an MD would know how to spell "philosophy". Hell, I can spell it, and I'm not really a doctor, I just play one on the internets...

E.g.: The fact that a consumption tax is also a wealth tax is well know [sic] and one of the reasons consumption taxes are attractive.

Now, that's just wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Consumption is what you spend. Wealth is everything you own. Poor people consume, but have no wealth. Wealthy people like, say, Michael Bloomberg, Mitt Romney, have far greater wealth than they will ever consume.

A consumption tax affects the poor far more than the wealthy and is unacceptably regressive. It is totally unattractive to those who can think about it.

Think again, jerry. I attack morons where it hurts them the most in language they can easily understand. Believe what you want, but I was raised by an activist grandmother who marched on a courthouse in Dallas with disenfranchised blacks demanding to sit in court during their own trials! And I have many gay friends. I just have learned how to poke wackos where it hurts them the most. Uncle Sam gave me my rudeness, but I am an equal opportunity bitchslapper...

If you need to take a break, I'll pitch in and help out.

Hey! Ron Paul fucktards!

What do want to complain about this time? How much of a beat down do you slimy weasels want tonight?

There's a good twenty or thirty of us ready for you ratfucks tonight, and we won't run off like that shitheel Hannity did in New Hampshire...

Have they fled yet?

Doc, when Atrios first started posting (from Aliso Viejo) he used "behind the Orange curtain."

Forty years ago Orange County was mainly wingnut territory, but a lot of the outright racists moved to Idaho, and now it's merely affluently conservative.

crickets, crickets

Shhh, have the gone yet?

Cool, thanks Pale Rider! I need a smoke break.

Forty years ago Orange County was mainly wingnut territory, but a lot of the outright racists moved to Idaho, and now it's merely affluently conservative.

Yes!

The conservatives in Orange County--and their corrupt, incompetent County management--have seen their ideology hung around their necks. They have a tradition of picking some really, really bad people to run things.

Shhh, have the gone yet?

Have you ever watched a lizard breathe? They're out there. Breathing. Emotionless little bulbous eyes darting this way and that. Waiting. Not sensing anything. Just breathing. Tongue darts out. Tongue darts in. Time to move? Or time to sit for another three hours, breathing?

Shhh, have the[y] gone yet?

Have you ever watched a lizard breathe? They're out there. Breathing. Emotionless little bulbous eyes darting this way and that. Waiting. Not sensing anything. Just breathing. Tongue darts out. Tongue darts in. Time to move? Or time to sit for another three hours, breathing?

I'd swear, a verbatim quote from a cowboy movie I saw when I was five.

I'd swear, a verbatim quote from a cowboy movie I saw when I was five.

I hope not. Tryin' not to plagiarize.

Although, I am going to have to go back to the thread Drum linked on the front page and recycle some of the shit I said to those Paultards when they show up-got a few of them hopping mad.

Tell me, is the offices of Washington Monthly located on the Orange Line of the D.C. Metro subway system?

Just curious. It so happens that everyone else who's opinion magazine is located on Orange Line(Reason for example) too. Strange.

But I suppose you "cosmos" do stick together.

This sentence is incomprehensible:

It so happens that everyone else who's opinion magazine is located on Orange Line(Reason for example) too. Strange.

May be proof of my hypothesis that the things which draw the Paulites together are bad punctuation, bad syntax, and inability to proofread. But maybe not.

Tell me, is the offices of Washington Monthly located on the Orange Line of the D.C. Metro subway system?

Uh oh-sounds like someone bought some Sarin gas from some Japanese cult members off that darned Internet again.

You oughta know by now-your white hooded sheet needs to have a built-in filtered breathing device AND heavy duty eye pieces to protect ya'll this time.

You would also think that an MD would know how to spell "philosophy". Hell, I can spell it, and I'm not really a doctor, I just play one on the internets...

Thyngs are cooler when you spell them wyth a 'y'. Or perhaps it's just a bit of cognitive dysfunction.

In questioning whether pre-emptive war was truly a conservative position, Paul at times brought some healthy counter point to the Republican debates.

He was not the only conservative who questioned the Iraq War. Many conservatives did back in 2002, but still he was alone in the debates when he challenged the war on conservative grounds.

Obviously I'm sickened by his racism, but I guess I'm also sorry to see that point of view discredited in this way because it isn't wacky, in my view, for conservatives to oppose pre-emptive and/or unnecessary wars on principle.

...bad punctuation, bad syntax, and inability to proofread...

Ok, I've been there once or twice...but I ain't no Paulinator...

"All your Whackos are belong to us"

You all bore with with your self righteous chatter...and this even more self righteous column.

No one seems offended by the racist comments on live television last week by 2 major candidates but you are consumed by a little newspaper with no circulation almost 20 years ago?

Please.

A man is capturing the imagination of the few citizens left in this country who value liberty and respect the individual. Good for him.

As for you...I simply must grin at the irony of your statements that Texans are racists as well as the other sophomoric rants...found here. Enjoy your self flagellation and utter pointless opinions.

PE, I'm all for Ron bitchslapping the Retrdicans on Iraq...

Ok, I've been there once or twice...but I ain't no Paulinator...

Ya gotta understand-these guys have a competency level that hovers somewheres between that of a "Scooby Doo" villain and a guy who used to be in charge of the Arabian Horse Association, but got fired for doing stupid shit.

Ohhhhh! I get it now Pale ...;)

It appears that the Metro station nearest the Monthly's address is Metro Center, which services the Red, Orange and Blue lines.

The cosmos is not sticking together, however. Not only is it expanding, galactic clusters fleeing each other, but the rate is accelerating slightly, an effect termed "dark energy."

Want to get in a rude-fest, Paulinator? I live for this shit...

Settle down, hayseed. The reason you liberals go to bed every night hungry, frightened and utterly defeated is that you're always flapping your hands and quivering your lips and falling all over crowded public spaces wasting valuable energy and anytime minutes and whatnot. Just tell this jerry fellow that you're dating Miss Amanda Marcotte and I assure you he will self-destruct verbally without our help in no fewer than 50 obsessive soliloquies. No care or feeding required.

But I come to offer a little advice to the yelping acolytes of Ronald Paul, a moment of wisdom penetrating the desperate darkness of their Linux- and Hostess Cupcake-littered lives. Give up now, Paul groupies. You cannot win. As one of our greatest presidents said after my preadolescent father gave him the line, the business of America is business, and Ronald Paul, 'Gina Doctor, is a resounding failure at all commercial ventures.

I know business, sirs. I am a spectacular success at business. Ronald Paul knows hoo hoos. When this country needs to make its next preemptive strike against the crazed fanatics who want to murder us in our beds well before the REM stage sets in, will Ron Paul tell us to just keep our legs closed and we won't get into any more trouble? When hardworking industrialists and selfness CEOs who provide wealth and jobs need a little temporary bailing out, will Ron Paul rudely shove our feet into stirrups and scream at us to push?

No, the last thing this country needs is a man who has spent his entire adult life demonstrating Kegel exercises. If Dr. Love knew anything about the free market or making a buck through non-menstrual blood, sweat and tears, he would be financing his campaign himself like respectable businessman Mitt Romney instead of showing up on YouTube to plead with antisocial basement dwellers for 20 dollar contributions.

You lose, Paul patients! You may get dressed now! Payment is expected when services are rendered!

Thank the Lord for honest, intelligent, newsmen such as Kevin Drum. This country is doing great! If you'd come to the Washington Metro Area and see the thousand and thousands of huge mansions you'd get these Paulbots to stop there boohooing and woe to me and my country. The Federal Reserve and China are making this possible. If you think the Media or the Federal Gov is going to let Ron Paul and his ilk destroy this you have to be kidding. Keep up the good work Kevin!

ding ding ding ding!

Paul fucktard alert!

A man is capturing the imagination of the few citizens left in this country who value liberty and respect the individual. Good for him.

Uh huh. And what's he capturing the imagination of the people with? His love of America? Or his belief that most of the black males in Washington DC are criminals?

As for you...I simply must grin at the irony of your statements that Texans are racists as well as the other sophomoric rants...found here. Enjoy your self flagellation and utter pointless opinions.

A whole mess of Texans aren't racist at all. That's a generalization I don't think anyone would try to make.

Ron Paul? Well, that's a whole other kettle of fish.

Tell me-how many of you Ron Paul fucktards have ever actually gone through the speeches and opinions that are, right now, published on his own house.gov website. Here's one for ya--

September 7, 2000

UNITED STATES HOLOCAUST MEMORIAL MUSEUM
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Statement of
HON. RON PAUL
OF TEXAS
[Pages: H7291]
Mr. Chairman, I rise today in hesitant opposition to H.R. 4115, the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum Authorization Act. We as vigilant Americans must never forget the horrific lessons of the past and those attendant consequences of corporatism, fascism, and tyrannical government; that is, governmental deprivation of individual rights. A government which operates beyond its proper limits of preserving liberty never bodes well for individual rights to life, liberty and property. Particularly, Adolph Hitler's tyrannical regime is most indicative of the necessary consequences of a government dominated by so-called `government-business' partnerships, gun-confiscation schemes, protectionism, and abandonment of speech and religious freedom in the name of `compelling government interests.'

On September 7, 2000, the US House voted on HR 4115.

415 Yeas
1 Nay

That one guy, voting against the appropriation of funds to create a United States Holocause Memorial Museum?

Ron Paul.

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Kevin, ur commentary about Ron Paul is way out of line...Explain to me why Ron Paul gets the most support from blacks, and explain to me why Ron is the only candidate running that wants to END the war on drugs, which causes more problems for blacks, than any other race...Also, Ron has consistently spoke out against the war on drugs, since when he first ran for president, back in 88'. Its understandable that these racist remarks in the Ron Paul Political Report, should not have ever been published and he has expressed remorse and guilt for allowing these reports to be published...Its not that Ron is "complicit in a strategy of pandering to racists" but rather he feels that everyone, no matter what people believe or feel should and will be able to speak FREELY. I dont agree with the racist remarks in these stories. They are WRONG, however, people in a free society, should be allowed to voice their opinions, thats what freedom of speech is.
Ron Paul is a STRICT Constitutionalist and even if he partly might not agree with your views, he doesnt try to dictate what your ideals are...
BTW he is not a conspiracy theorist, every so called "conspiracy" that he brings to light, really isnt a conspiracy its real and there is evidence. For example, the North American Union, its coming and its real, and the Amero is going to follow it as well, just get informed and you will understand what am talking about. RON PAUL REVOLUTION!!!

Settle down, hayseed.

Oh, that's good, for a chickenhawk.

But I do give you kudos for the "Kegel exercises" crack! Bravo!

What Norman Rogers said! Yeah!

...explain to me why Ron is the only candidate running that wants to END the war on drugs...

Ok, as long as we're being honest...I'm all for that too...

Its understandable that these racist remarks in the Ron Paul Political Report, should not have ever been published and he has expressed remorse and guilt for allowing these reports to be published...Its not that Ron is "complicit in a strategy of pandering to racists" but rather he feels that everyone, no matter what people believe or feel should and will be able to speak FREELY. I dont agree with the racist remarks in these stories. They are WRONG, however, people in a free society, should be allowed to voice their opinions, thats what freedom of speech is.

So you're not smart enough to see the direct correlation between the rabid anti-Israel rhetoric in his early 1990s newsletters and the fact that he spoke, on the floor of the US House, as the one member of Congress to oppose and vote against the creation of the US Holocaust Museum?

I mean, really. How fucking blind can you people be? How fucking desperate and lonely are you for a savior to lead you out of your miserable, shitty lives are you to think that this toad named Ron Paul is The One?

Doc, badJim has it right. There is Los Angeles County and just south, Orange County, which was known for it's conservatives and wingnuts. One of the first mega-churches was built there (and I have to say, the Crystal Cathedral (built in Garbage Grove but that's another story) is actually quite pretty).

The big newspaper is the Orange County Register which I believe was one of the first libertarian but otherwise very conservative newspapers.

Here's the Urban Dictionary which is sort of correct, but doesn't denote the very conservative nature that the Orange Curtain usually means (I think.)

behind the orange curtain
11 up, 5 down

This term is used by people in Los Angeles, when referring to travelling within Orange County. This refers to the idea that people in Orange County know nothing about what's going on in Los Angeles or even the world, and only are concerned with local affairs.

Comes from the term for Russia "behind the iron curtain" from the cold war era.

Now, that damned CW apparently has everyone wanting to live in the OC, still, where I grew up a "Democrat" like Kevin Drum that lived behind the Orange Curtain was very suspect. Most likely a crypto-conservative, if not an outright Bircher.

Elmo, you can call me a "Paulinator" but apart from your repeated and animated claims to have best friends that are gay, what we know about you is your use of sexist and homophobic terminology.

You are sort of the reverse Senator "I am not gay and never have been."

As for me, what we've seen in this thread is my saying I wouldn't vote for the guy, but that I think Kevin doesn't have enough evidence, and then I suggested likely places to find that evidence if it is there.

I understand that you think that innocent until proven guilty is the mark of a libertarian Paulinator. The rest of us actually love and want to defend our Bill of Rights and are appalled that you would claim to be a liberal at the same time as you make fun of defenders of the Bill of Rights, and make claims they must be some sort of libertarian asshole.

A man is capturing the imagination of the few citizens left in this country who value liberty and respect the individual.

Oh, please. Spare us your sanctimony. I await your ringing defense of Ron Paul's impassioned call to "Free Trade in Unpasteurized Milk".

I can only surmise the freedom lovers' battle to end flouridization of drinking water has found a new outlet at it were.

...what we know about you is your use of sexist and homophobic terminology...

Blah, blah blah. You Haven't seen nothing yet mother fucker...

I'm Jewish. How does voting against the Holocaust Museum make him an anti-semite or racist? I think it shows either his stupidity or intellectual honesty to be the one person not afraid to vote against an "apple pie and ice cream" bill.

By the way, on the Thom Hartmann show, Democratic socialist and Independent (and Jewish) Bernie Sanders has said some very good things about Paul, calling him a friend and describing him as scrupulously and intellectually honest.

Yes, I'll take Bernie Sanders knowledgeable opinion about this over Kevin Drum's or Elmo. This makes me as much a libertarian or Paulinator as Bernie.

How does voting against the Holocaust Museum make him an anti-semite or racist? I think it shows either his stupidity or intellectual honesty to be the one person not afraid to vote against an "apple pie and ice cream" bill.

Yeah, you're totally right. There's nothing wrong with being the only Congressman to vote against the Holocaust Museum in 2000 after disavowing years and years of newsletters full of rabid, anti-Jewish and anti-Israeli statements, and then taking money from white supremacists from "Stormfront."

What was I thinking?

Oh jer, I do agree with Paul on Iraq, and drugs. Fuck the rest...

Come over to my neck of the woods, boy...

http://blindintexas.blogspot.com/

You guys! Listen!

This whole Ron Paul thing makes sense if you don't think about it and if you just look at the TV and drool while someone tries to sell you glass beads and a ThighMaster...

Troll in a total gym, Pale, and I'm in!

i am astounded by how ignorant the posters on this board are.

let us consider racism, for a moment.

the racism that the united states of amerika has imposed on the world for scores of decades.

as h rap brown said, racism is as amerikan as apple pie. and he got it accurately.

after lincoln's war, what did u.s grant energize? a genocidal war to eliminate the plains residents.

then there was the next racist, fascist bastid, teddy roosevelt. pause and think on what he did to cuba, puerto rico, columbia, and the philippines.

and then there was that purported progressive, woodrow wilson. who sent marines throughout the caribbean basin to exterminate all those opposed to the imperialism of the united states of amerika.

and then there was the ultimate imperialist, teddy's cousin.

franklin. a stockbroker at heart.

and his successor, old harry. definitely a gangster and a racist bastid.

as was his successor, old ike.

and his successor. etc etc ad nauseam.

if you think it hasn't been this way, then you really have been asleep at the switch.

Aw, I'm sorry to see that no one took up Will "I want to tar Democrats as racists but no one will play with me" Allen up on his idiocy.

Of course Will is the same racist scum who cheered on the slaughter of innocent Iraqis because in his warped little mind he imagined that Saddam Hussein might one day become a threat to the United States. Or, barring that, because Will "I voted for the worst candidate available for President, twice because that demonstrates I'm not a Democrat and therefore independent" Allen thinks that this nation has the might, and therefore the right, to control our oil even when (for reasons that only Will knows) God chose to put it under the feet of slimy brown people who aren't smart enough to give it to us.

Give it up for Will "I support bombing Iraqis just as I supported Nixon bombing Cambodia and then have the gall to blame the tragedy which came from that on the Democrats" Allen. Hater of Democrats, two time voter for George W. Bush (and proud of it), supporter of bombing anyone with brown skin and racist extraordinaire.

Awwwww, albertchampion. A man of my own heart! Now help me and my grandmother's long lost soul end this shit!

Libs are rather hypocritical on the subject, criticizing only imagined slights from whites, no matter how trivial.

Certainly there are no representatives in Congress more racist than Luis Gutierrez and Mel Martinez in their support for racial preferences for Hispanics, even at the point of rewarding law breaking! Yet your self-hating white libs just do what they have been conditioned to do after years of brainwashing in Pavlov's PC lab. Drool. One could go on and on about this subject, but a characteristic of libs is an inability to see their own hypocrisy. We see this, for ex., when they catch on that Fox has a conservative bias, but insist that the major networks are sort of "neutral."

self-hating white libs

LOL!

Lucifer? Stop changing your name...

I Got What America Needs Right Here
By Jimmy Carter
January 9, 2008 |
The Onion Issue 44•02
Sometimes I'm a little stupid, maybe, a little slow in the head, so I'm wondering if you can help me get something straight. Maybe you can help me understand one fucking thing right now, America, and explain to me what in the Christ is going on here. 'Cause, unless I'm missing something, this country is in the middle of a motherfucking shitstorm, and I have no fucking idea what you're gonna do to get out of it. I mean, are you seriously considering voting for one of these shitbags you got here in '08? Fat fucking chance.
Way I see it, America needs a president who's gonna somehow un-royally screw up the Middle East, do some serious cleaning up after you dropped your pants and took a steaming dump all over the fucking environment, and—boom!—restore dignity, honor, and all that shit to these United States.
See, I got solutions to all your problems—I got 'em right here in my big, hairy ballsack.
You better get down on your hands and knees and kiss Jimmy Carter's rosy-red Georgia-peach-picking ass and beg me to run your fucking country again, because there's no way I'm ever gonna come to you fuck-knobs and politely ask you if I might please be a presidential candidate in your precious fuckin' election. So you can just bite my cock. I've had it with you jerkoffs and your jerkoff candidates.
You actually seem to think one a' these assholes is gonna prance in and wave a magic wand and make everything all nice again. Look at you, sitting there like a common fucking schnook and eating all their bull about bi-fucking-partisanship, and how they have all the goddamn answers. Let me tell you something: These fags are dogshit compared to Jimmy fucking Carter, all right? I was arbitrating Mideast crises when this bunch was still sucking on their mamas' titties.
But who comes to me, huh? Fucking nobody. Why ask old Jimmy anything? What the fuck could he know about peace in the Middle East? It's not like he fucking won the Nobel Peace Prize for that shit. You myopic pricks. Back in '79, I sat Sadat and Begin right down and made those two dicklicks shake hands. It was beautiful—I had all the pieces lined up and I smiled and waved in my best fucking suit and tie right there on TV. And what do you do, you pieces of shit? You screw the whole goddamn pooch.
Cocksuckers.
Oh, what's that I hear? The weather's all screwy? You got a global warming problem? Boo-fucking-hoo! I was telling you morons to turn off your lights and unplug all your shit at night to conserve energy in 19-fuckin'-75, for chrissake. Gee, I wonder what woulda happened if we'd all switched to solar power like I fucking did back when we had a fucking chance to do something about it. Think we'd still be sucking Saudi Arabia's dick like a five-dollar whore? I sure as fuck didn't get no fancy Oscar for that little spiel, though, did I? No. But Al Gore, that cum-sucking pig, steals the shit from me and now he's the greatest thing since Jesus Christ made a fucking sandwich.
Well, he can lick my asshole right after George W. Bush, that fuck.
You want compassion? Somebody who's looking out for the little guy? Why don't you take a look at Jimmy Carter, 'cause unlike, oh, every motherfucking candidate out there, he spent the last fucking quarter-century building houses for the homeless. And what does he get for it? A fucking hernia. Some fucking gratitude, you selfish twats. You talk to me about compassion? I'll shove a crucifix so far up the Democrats' asses they'll be asking me to buy them dinner and kiss them good night.
Funny thing about me: I actually fucking know shit! Not like these goombas trying to weasel their way into the White House. I practically wrote the book on collapsing bridges, inflation, and the working poor, fuck-o. I even got a degree in nuclear engineering or some shit. You know how easy I could swoop down right now like a guardian angel and solve all your fucking problems? Snap. Bam. Do it in my fucking sleep. Just fucking try me.
So you want me to run for president again? Yeah, sure, absolutely, I'll do it. I'd be honored to do it—with my fucking dick in your mouth, you worthless scumbags.
You had your chance with Jimmy Carter, and you fucking blew it. So get fucked. Fucking country.

I must admit, this piece superbly illustrates one thing I perversely "favor" about Kevin Drum's pseudo-journalistic diatribes. Unlike the vast majority of corporate MSM mouthpieces, he doesn't "stoop" to any semblance of subtlety, nor adhere to prescribed notions of "objectivity", while engaging in his own rabid smears and exclusionary rants against legitimate candidates.

All hail Drum, the would-be Great [campaign] Equalizer!

Oh, and vote for Hillary ... or else!!!
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By the way, nice touch with that maliciously slanderous "postscript".

[end sarcasm]

But speaking of "fruitcakes" and "conspiracy theorists", Mister Drum, have you yet located a reliable source to substantiate your own highly dubious, naked assertion that the Iranian Hormuz video was "a total fabrication"?

Physician, heal thyself!
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Op Ed? Dawd? Jimmy did have it right, bitch.