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January 21, 2008
By: Kevin Drum

TAKE A HIKE, MR. MAYOR....Rudy Giuliani now trails John McCain by a stunning 12 points in.....

New York. It was nice knowing you, Rudy.

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I think his downslide started when he answered his cell while giving a speech to the NRA.

In the words of Atrios:

WWWWWWWWWWHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Posted by: optical weenie on January 21, 2008 at 2:56 PM | PERMALINK

I'm really disappointed that he was never confronted with his culpability in the collapse of 7 WTC. But it's better than having him too close to the presidency.

Posted by: Allen K. on January 21, 2008 at 2:57 PM | PERMALINK

I hope somebody gets around to asking what stage McCain's melanoma is (I understand there are 4 stages, but his stage has never been revealed as far as I can tell). Voters need the details on this man's medical condition.

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Posted by: io on January 21, 2008 at 2:59 PM | PERMALINK

Yay!

He's the scariest of the Republican candidates; I sure hope this continues.

Posted by: Rick Taylor on January 21, 2008 at 3:02 PM | PERMALINK

He's the scariest of the Republican candidates

That's actually quite an accomplishment.

Posted by: AJ on January 21, 2008 at 3:19 PM | PERMALINK

Thank God. I think Rudy Giuliani could have been worse than Bush.

Posted by: Percy on January 21, 2008 at 3:24 PM | PERMALINK

RUDOLPHUS GIULIANIUS is far too good of a human for you Liberals.

Fortunately, John McCain is HERE to say, "die, you weakling liberals"

Even his combover is heroic. His toenail clippings are heroic. And his cancer? Psshaw. Cancer can't beat Mr. John McCain. He may indeed live to be 200. Just watch, you ninnies.

Posted by: Free Lover of Freedom and Free Liberty on January 21, 2008 at 3:31 PM | PERMALINK

Don't let the door hit you, Rudy.

I agree McCain's health (and age) are appropriate considerations, but I hope they really don't get questioned until after he gets the nomination.

Posted by: Cal Gal on January 21, 2008 at 3:32 PM | PERMALINK

I have to ask this: Has McCain had a little nip and tuck? Didn't his jowls used to be freakishly floppy, and now he just looks and sounds like a regular chipmunk?

Posted by: too ashamed to sign real name on January 21, 2008 at 3:39 PM | PERMALINK

Free Lover, McCain is a Manchurian candidate who was brainwashed by the Commies so he could come back here and become President, then turn the country over to the Reds. Why can't you see their master plan? The Soviet Union pretending to collapse, China pretending to embrace capitalism, Castro pretending to be old and sick, Mao and Stalin pretending to be dead - it's all a fiendishly brilliant plot.

Posted by: Conservatroll on January 21, 2008 at 3:41 PM | PERMALINK

As long as the corporate press/media insist that Rudy is viable, he is viable. Cf. John Edwards for the same principle in reverse.

Posted by: James E. Powell on January 21, 2008 at 3:49 PM | PERMALINK

Giuliani was already DOA before the primaries even started. As soon as it came out that he'd been using public money to support those trips to visit his sweetheart, his goose was cooked.

In other news, as a committed Democrat-- South Carolina is looking rather scary. There was talk there apparently over the weekend about a Clinton campaign official trying to induce an election official to hack one of the voting machines that are used in the state. (SC is mainly electronic voting.)

Considering the ugly way that racial issues have been injected into the Democratic nomination-- with the Clinton campaign's earlier comments about Obama as a "drug dealer" or a "Manchurian Muslim candidate sympathizer" being seen as race-baiting, fairly or not-- and the extremely high African-American population in South Carolina, this is already an explosive situation. Now on top of this you have suggestions of attempted voter fraud (with the attempt apparently failing in this case, as the talk goes), and there's the potential for worse rioting than we've seen in almost four decades in South Carolina.

I personally doubt the talk about attempted vote-rigging, but it's a problem that SC's voting machines are so easily hackable, that such talk raises eyebrows. It's shameful-- especially when racial tensions are so high and the country so divided, there must be absolute confidence in our voting system, and reassurance against fraud. South Carolina needs paper ballots, counted by hand by several people including the campaign staffs, if we are to run this election right.

Posted by: Kimmie on January 21, 2008 at 3:51 PM | PERMALINK

"It was nice knowing you, Rudy."

But not really.

Posted by: Speed on January 21, 2008 at 3:57 PM | PERMALINK

Two other reasons maybe this talk is coming out:
http://tinyurl.com/3adls8
http://tinyurl.com/2yjxzb

I'm on the fence here myself, but the perception of disenfranchisement attempts by the Clinton team-- again, fair or not-- adds up to a lot hostility and mistrust that is volatile. And again, the mixture is explosive in a state like South Carolina.

It is the job of election officials to ensure that the voting system is transparent and done in a way that gains the confidence of voters. And having e-voting that is so easily hacked, fails miserably in inspiring that confidence. South Carolina needs to have a paper-balloting and tallying scheme in place!

Posted by: Kimmie on January 21, 2008 at 4:00 PM | PERMALINK

This makes me excited for sure. But let's not count our chickens until after Florida.

Posted by: Andrew Slack on January 21, 2008 at 4:06 PM | PERMALINK

F#%k you, Rudy! Sit down and shut up, you punk-ass b*tch.

Posted by: luci on January 21, 2008 at 4:41 PM | PERMALINK

Benito Giuliani's gone? I'm disappointed.

Posted by: Luther on January 21, 2008 at 4:58 PM | PERMALINK

Two marriages are OK; three, not so much.

Posted by: Where's Sally? on January 21, 2008 at 5:15 PM | PERMALINK

..if I can make it there, I'lllll make it..any-where!...

Posted by: grape_crush on January 21, 2008 at 5:15 PM | PERMALINK

Couldn't happen to be a nicer guy...

Posted by: Brian on January 21, 2008 at 5:32 PM | PERMALINK

I can see Rudy's next ad now:

"When the Twin Towers collapsed all around him, He stood strong."

"When the end of his term as Mayor arrived, He refused to leave."

"When his polling numbers crumbled to soot and ash, He stayed in the race."

"Rudy Giuliani: stubborn as the goddamn jackass that He is."

Posted by: lampwick on January 21, 2008 at 5:39 PM | PERMALINK

We are going to need more than a president to dig ourselves out of the hole we find ourselves in.

As Rudy fades, so does the global economy (stock markets falling worldwide as of 5:30 pm).

I predict Wall Street will continue to free-fall, just like WT-7 which was clearly demolished.

Who in their right mind is going to WANT to be president of a country fast slipping towards a recession?

Maybe we shouldn't gloat over Rudy's demise. He just might be the type of guy to wish this mess on!

Posted by: Tom Nicholson on January 21, 2008 at 5:42 PM | PERMALINK

Ah, Rudy, we hardly wish we knew ye.

Posted by: Donald from Hawaii on January 21, 2008 at 6:01 PM | PERMALINK

And why is Kevin and liberals so happy?

Because Rudy is the one candidate they fear the most...that is, Rudy can beat anyone they throw at him.

Problem is, Rudy isn't trying very hard. But no worry, conservatives! Hillary is bound to win which will make 2008 a cakewalk for any Republican. The Anybody But Hillary Vote is a deep well!

Posted by: Dave on January 21, 2008 at 6:04 PM | PERMALINK

Conservatroll: "Free Lover, McCain is a Manchurian candidate who was brainwashed by the Commies so he could come back here and become President, then turn the country over to the Reds. Why can't you see their master plan?"

Absolutely. However, I would offer that it's not Sen. McCain we should fear, but rather his 95-year-old mother.

Posted by: Donald from Hawaii on January 21, 2008 at 6:05 PM | PERMALINK

Who is more of a cartoon character at this point, Rudy or Chuck Norris?

Posted by: lampwick on January 21, 2008 at 6:20 PM | PERMALINK

I disagree. Take it from a New York City civil servant. It was not nice knowing Rudy. Not nice at all.

Posted by: Brownell on January 21, 2008 at 6:35 PM | PERMALINK

Who is more of a cartoon character at this point, Rudy or Chuck Norris?

Rudy. Not even close.

Posted by: thersites on January 21, 2008 at 6:42 PM | PERMALINK

And why is Kevin and liberals so happy?

Cause they speaks the English so good.

Posted by: thersites on January 21, 2008 at 7:09 PM | PERMALINK

Giuliani? Oh, yah -- I remember that guy.

Wasn't he thinking about running for president at some point?

Posted by: Hemlock for Gadflies on January 21, 2008 at 7:25 PM | PERMALINK

lampwick: "Who is more of a cartoon character at this point, Rudy or Chuck Norris?"

Oh, that's easy: Chuck Norris, handily.

But once Rudy starts channeling his inner drag queen, all bets are off.

Posted by: Donald from Hawaii on January 21, 2008 at 7:38 PM | PERMALINK

Brownell: "Take it from a New York City civil servant."

That is, if youse guys knows what's good for ya!

Posted by: Donald from Hawaii on January 21, 2008 at 7:42 PM | PERMALINK

It's going to be interesting to see what he does after he drops ou...oh, who the hell am I kidding? No one cares. Later, Rude.

Posted by: shortstop on January 21, 2008 at 9:20 PM | PERMALINK




 

 

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