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January 29, 2008
By: Kevin Drum

BYE, RUDY....So everyone is saying that Rudy Giuliani is going to drop out and endorse John McCain. I guess that's supposed to help him, right?

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Why do the media so love McCain? Is it just because he manipulates their vanity so blatantly?

Posted by: Gore/Edwards 08 on January 29, 2008 at 9:18 PM | PERMALINK

Help who, Rudy? Is this where The Plan enters into its cunning final phase?

Posted by: sweaty guy on January 29, 2008 at 9:22 PM | PERMALINK

Giuliani followed the Florida Plan all along. The problem is, the Florida Plan is a retirement package.

-Z

Posted by: Zorro on January 29, 2008 at 9:31 PM | PERMALINK

Is Rudy backing McCain to play for the VP post before further polling shows he has no mandate whatsoever? Get out of race now and claim he helped McCain win the nomination and then beg McCain for the VP post?

Posted by: rational on January 29, 2008 at 9:34 PM | PERMALINK

Geez, talk about striking out without taking the bat off your shoulder. Hint for 2012 contenders: start your campaign sometime, or it will be over before you get a chance.

Posted by: Tim Morris on January 29, 2008 at 9:34 PM | PERMALINK

A month ago my husband told me he heard on some radio show that the top psychic in the country(whoever that is) made the bold prediction, the week before the Iowa Primary, that it will be McCAIN/GULLIANI vs. CLINTON/EDWARDS with CLINTON/EDWARDS winning. I laughed at that prediction because McCain was still way below the radar in the polls at the time. But now, . . . I don't kmow . . . ??? !!!

Posted by: Erika S on January 29, 2008 at 9:42 PM | PERMALINK

McCain could not possibly be stupid enough to put Giuliani on the ticket.

Posted by: Will Allen on January 29, 2008 at 9:44 PM | PERMALINK

While pollsters and pundits will attribute Giuliani's epic collapse to his cataclysmic decision to effectively skip Iowa and New Hampshire, his authoritarian arrogance or his 9/11 Tourette's Syndrome, Giuliani's fate was sealed during a decisive one week period in late November and early December.

For the details, see:
"Nathan Tryst Fund, YouTube Debate Doomed Giuliani."

Posted by: Angry on January 29, 2008 at 9:46 PM | PERMALINK

McCain's going to have to pick some Southern social conservative as a running-mate to win back those disenchanted righties. Tom DeLay perhaps?

Posted by: Speed on January 29, 2008 at 9:47 PM | PERMALINK

Dropping out and endorsing McCain is all part of Guiliani's strategy to win the nomination....

Posted by: Disputo on January 29, 2008 at 9:53 PM | PERMALINK

I really enjoyed that concession...can't really call it a speech...maybe a stream-of-consciousness verbal vomiting.

Nothing funnier than watching right-wing pundits insist that the problem with Rudy's candidacy was his poor campaign. Hello--the problem with this candidacy was the candidate. The minute people entered his presence or actually listened to him on TV, they ran screaming into the streets to get away from him. We should liquify him and use him as terrorist repellent.

Posted by: shortstop on January 29, 2008 at 10:02 PM | PERMALINK

The only problem with Giuliani's campaign strategy was the resurrection of John McCain. Without that, Giuliani may well have won tonight and moved on to win the big states afterwards.

For those who though Giuliani should have contested the earlier caucuses and primaries, you are simply wrong. He would have lost Iowa, New Hampshire, Michigan, and South Carolina convincingly no matter what he did.

McCain sucked up all of Giuliani's support. It is that simple.

Posted by: Yancey Ward on January 29, 2008 at 10:11 PM | PERMALINK

I have little regard for McCain, though I suppose I might consider him if Senator Clinton were to win the nomination, but if he were to put Huckabee on the ticket, I may even consider voting for Clinton II.

Posted by: Will Allen on January 29, 2008 at 10:14 PM | PERMALINK

Will,

No chance of Huckabee being on the ticket.

No chance for Giuliani either.

Hard to figure the VP pick at this moment. He has the age factor to consider, so the pick must be someone perceived as solidly competent to be president- someone with real heft and a solid conservative.

Cue to the crowd for the usual blather about how no such Republican exists.

Posted by: Yancey Ward on January 29, 2008 at 10:20 PM | PERMALINK

A dark horse candidate may be Pawlenty of Minnesota. He is young, polls well with evangelicals, has real political skills, and might be able to make the Democratic candidate use a lot more resources in Minnesota, obviously, along with Wisconsin (tons of western Wisconsin residents work in the Twin Cities), and Iowa. Again, this is especially true if Clinton is the nominee.

Posted by: Will Allen on January 29, 2008 at 10:43 PM | PERMALINK

dark horse candidate may be Pawlenty of Minnesota. He is young, polls well with evangelicals, has real political skills, and might be able to make the Democratic

you are stupid! You are stupid as a monkey on the drugs given him by his keeper.

Dumb,. That is dumb.

Dammit, rudy. I want my 27 [thats twenty damned secen damned thousand dollars and ] 500/

I want my 27,500$$$$ back you


dumb

Posted by: Norman Rogers on January 29, 2008 at 11:41 PM | PERMALINK

your mammy

I think this is the worst thng to happen to my beloved repub lican party in about fifty years.
When I was a boy, my father introduced me to Leverett Saltonstall. fine senator and a good conservative. I worked for him. Was a page and enjoyed Dc but the people too salty. language too salty and all that. In those days you could get an appartment on the hill and go out and have great times. but now>? bang bang someone shoot you in your butt to make a hole to steal your wallent


dammit! dammit i am so mad so mad tonitee!~!!!!

Mad!!!!

I dod ddid did not want that (&*^*&%^*^!@##$# Y#)*#R)ao9haodfh !@!@!!!! nmcKJain to win.

Posted by: Norman Rogers on January 29, 2008 at 11:46 PM | PERMALINK

The Republican's smartest move would be to forget the social conservatives *entirely* and put the two most centrist/moderate candidates on the ticket that would be possible. I doubt that if McCain wins the nomination that he would be willing to accept Romney as VP, but I think it would be the best combination. That way it avoids the Southern nutjobs as much as possible-they are THE boat anchor on the GOP. If they teamed up and tossed out something really radical and ahead of the curve like a single-payer health care proposal, it would be a killer curve ball and hard to beat.

Posted by: Doc at the Radar Station on January 29, 2008 at 11:47 PM | PERMALINK

your mammy!!!!!!!!

27,500

$$$$

:(

Posted by: Norman Rogers on January 29, 2008 at 11:50 PM | PERMALINK

Maybe McCain promised him the VP spot...

Posted by: parrot on January 30, 2008 at 3:40 AM | PERMALINK

looks like norman, in his shame and rage, took a little trip to the wine cellar last night.

Posted by: as it unfolds on January 30, 2008 at 8:00 AM | PERMALINK

To clarify, yes. I was upset last night. I am suffering from a tremendous headache this morning. I will not type anymore. Too loud.

Posted by: Norman Rogers on January 30, 2008 at 9:12 AM | PERMALINK

I didn't see the video but the audio portion I heard of McCain's victory speech sounded like a tired old man.

I see today Edwards is dropping out too.

Posted by: Tripp on January 30, 2008 at 10:16 AM | PERMALINK

Yancy,

I hope indeed that Giuliani does not find his way on the ticket. My happiness at his demise was rudely tempered by the sudden thought of a McCain/Giuliani ticket defeating the dems and then McCain kickin'it and leaving us with this fuckwad for Prez.

Posted by: E Henry Thripshaw on January 30, 2008 at 11:33 AM | PERMALINK

Posted by: Norman Rogers on January 29, 2008 at 11:50 PM

Rogers delightfully stolen. And Rudy gone. What a fine morning it has turned out to be.

Posted by: Zit on January 30, 2008 at 11:38 AM | PERMALINK




 

 

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