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January 30, 2008
By: Kevin Drum

ANYBODY BUT McCAIN....I happen to think that hard-right conservatives are crazy for working themselves into such a tizzy over the possibility of John McCain as the Republican presidential candidate. But then, I think hard-right conservatives are just crazy in general. So my opinion hardly counts.

That said, I love this anti-McCain ad. It's just so.....Republican. It attacks viciously, it smears without compunction, and the production values are first rate. It's great. The question is, will $20 million worth of airplay (or whatever it's getting) be enough to save Mitt Romney's skin?

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One of the best produced ads I ve ever seen. And it's accurate too.

Posted by: Nick Kaufman on January 30, 2008 at 2:41 PM | PERMALINK

Obviously this sort of ad will cease once the general election is contested. No amount of disappointment or frustration would cause airing of this by a conservative faction if the alternative was a Democrat in the White House.

Posted by: steve duncan on January 30, 2008 at 2:48 PM | PERMALINK

Kevin wrote: "I happen to think that hard-right conservatives are crazy for working themselves into such a tizzy over the possibility of John McCain as the Republican presidential candidate."

I happen to think that Democrats are crazy for working themselves into a tizzy over whether Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton will be the Democratic presidential candidate, since there is very little substantive difference between them, and peoples' notions about which one would be more "electable" or better able to get anything accomplished if elected are plainly speculative guesswork.

And yet every day the comment threads on this site are filled with bitter vituperation between Obama supporters and Clinton supporters.

'Tis the season when folks work themselves into tizzies, I suppose.

Posted by: SecularAnimist on January 30, 2008 at 2:48 PM | PERMALINK

Aren't wingnuts fascinating? It's always about the rage and hatred with these people. They'd rather have Hillary to scream at for four years than a guy who's going to actually pursue policies they support. Keep it up, guys.

Posted by: pinson on January 30, 2008 at 2:49 PM | PERMALINK

Surprisingly republican indeed.

Where do I contribute?

Posted by: POed Lib on January 30, 2008 at 2:49 PM | PERMALINK

What ad? Please tell us how to see it.

Posted by: anonymous on January 30, 2008 at 2:50 PM | PERMALINK

Should there be a link to the ad?

Posted by: PE on January 30, 2008 at 2:50 PM | PERMALINK

Nevermind. For some reason it didn't appear the first two times I updated the page. (There wasn't an empty blank space either)

Posted by: anonymous on January 30, 2008 at 2:51 PM | PERMALINK

John McCain - refreshingly minty.

Posted by: lobbygow on January 30, 2008 at 2:53 PM | PERMALINK

The question is, will $20 million worth of airplay (or whatever it's getting) be enough to save Mitt Romney's skin?

—Kevin Drum

Yes.

Posted by: Econobuzz on January 30, 2008 at 2:53 PM | PERMALINK

That is a brilliant ad.

Posted by: Junius Brutus on January 30, 2008 at 2:55 PM | PERMALINK

But the ad kinda makes Hillary look good as a "liberal". Free press. Can't hurt!

Posted by: optical weenie on January 30, 2008 at 2:58 PM | PERMALINK

If we're really lucky it will simultaneously damage McCain beyond repair and bankrupt the Romney campaign....

Posted by: Davis X. Machina on January 30, 2008 at 2:58 PM | PERMALINK

Now I see it and I am indeed surprised.

Posted by: PE on January 30, 2008 at 2:59 PM | PERMALINK

Meh. Too little, too late. McCain's going to be the nominee. One could even argue this add helps McCain in the general. The Dems are going to try to link him to Bush at every turn. But he pisses off conservatives, so he must really be a moderate, no? It might be time for some liberal groups to start making ads of the Bush/McCain hug, the "bomb Iran" song and the 100 years in Iraq pledge. This guy ain't going to be easy to beat.

Posted by: NHCt on January 30, 2008 at 3:00 PM | PERMALINK

Romney isn't paying for this ad. It's the Amway Veterans for Truth or some such group that's funding it.

Posted by: PE on January 30, 2008 at 3:00 PM | PERMALINK

Kevin,

Could you be a little more specific about the "smears" and the "vicious attacks" of this ad? Hey, I'm not a Republican and so most of those things don't get my blood boiling, but what's the matter with a conservative ad against McCain citing his position on amnesty, taxes, and gun regulation? And it's not as if he denies his flirtation with Kerry.

Are these below the belt attacks? Yeah, it's got that narrator tone and the ominous music, but so what? Shouldn't these be things Republican voters should know about to make an informed decision?

If this kind of stuff is out of bounds, then our politics will be a dessicated thing indeed.

Posted by: santamonicamr on January 30, 2008 at 3:01 PM | PERMALINK

optical weenie is right, the ad makes me more likely to vote for Hillary.

Posted by: Howard on January 30, 2008 at 3:04 PM | PERMALINK

It's funny, the "hard-right conservatives... working themselves into such a tizzy over the possibility of John McCain as the Republican presidential candidate" sound just like the Obama supporters working themselves into a self-righteous tizzy over the possibility of a Hillary Clinton nomination.

Posted by: orogeny on January 30, 2008 at 3:11 PM | PERMALINK

Sorry, SecularAnimist...I should have read the comments before I rushed to post mine.

Posted by: orogeny on January 30, 2008 at 3:13 PM | PERMALINK

santamonicamr,

Did you miss the profanity (The "l" word) and the linkage with the Devil Incarnate (She who must not be named)?

Posted by: Tripp on January 30, 2008 at 3:15 PM | PERMALINK

I don't see what's vicious or smearing about that ad. Except for the use of the word "amnesty," which is debatable, the ad is a straight voting comparison. You are becoming a bit unhinged about Republicans here -- although at least you acknowledge it!

Posted by: physicist on January 30, 2008 at 3:17 PM | PERMALINK

Moral of the story:

Run against the snake lady.
It is a can't-lose win-win strategy.

Posted by: snakes alive on January 30, 2008 at 3:21 PM | PERMALINK

When we awake in November, McCain having lost to Obama and both the Senate and House firmly Democratic we need give thanks to the prime mover of these events.
Ralph Nader declared that there was no discernible choice between the parties and personally engineered eight venal years of 'win at all cost' Republican rule.
That right versus wrong and ethics and honor are being aired as themes of action today rather than lip service parodies is the direct result of Mr. Nader's bringing us the myriad Gonzales, Rove, DeLay cross wearing blood suckers.
Ralph changed the discourse. It's about hope now although my fingers are crossed in a death lock hoping that courage will rise up to make the rhetoric real.

Posted by: cognitorex on January 30, 2008 at 3:26 PM | PERMALINK

I don't see what's vicious or smearing about that ad.

Neither do I.

If this kind of stuff is out of bounds, then our politics will be a dessicated thing indeed.

Agreed.

With that in mind, I propose the following "enhancements," so that the ad actually reflects Kevin's description.

Opening E minor chord:

Narrator: People know that John McCain is a war hero, but he has another side as well. Just listen to what he said to a reporter...

Reporter: Mr. McCain, how do you spend a typical day?

McCain: Well, like most Americans, I start my day early. First, I through a few flags on the fire and then get to making breafast. After a double latte and a hearty tofu omelet, I head down to the post office to mail my checks to NAMBLA and the PLO. Then it's back home to feed frozen embryos to my pet spotted owl "Eleanor."

Posted by: lobbygow on January 30, 2008 at 3:26 PM | PERMALINK

Ralph changed the discourse.

Katrina redecorated New Orleans.

Posted by: Davis X. Machina on January 30, 2008 at 3:27 PM | PERMALINK

I through a few flags on the fire

Ack.

That should be "throw a few flags on the fire."

Posted by: lobbygow on January 30, 2008 at 3:29 PM | PERMALINK

Citizens United Political Victory Fund

I love it when chickenhawks bow to the chickenhawk master, Reagan. Reagan was a dumb-fuck chickenhawk too you losers!

Posted by: elmo on January 30, 2008 at 3:31 PM | PERMALINK

I don't think conservatives hate McCain as much as people want conservatives to hate McCain.

I think the High Screechers of Conservatives hate McCain, but I think the rank and file Republicans will happily vote for him with Billary on the horizon.

They know that McCain beats Billary easily and the Supreme Court will be finally, resolutely, theirs when they get to replace Stevens (and possibly others).

It will be hilarious that the Clintons are the ones who will indirectly overturn Roe vs. Wade via their wild eyed and corrupt ambition. They have and will continue to so piss off Dems, like me, that there will be no kumbayah in the General.

Dems, like me, will sit on their hands and watch happily as McCain wins and the Clintons disappear, forever, from our politics, giving the Democratic party a chance to actually do something different for a change: WIN.

There will be short term pain, but the Clinton's political influence needs to be killed off now. They are too poisonous for the Democratic party to ever succeed. Their political influence must be killed off now, if not by Obama then by McCain.

So take your pick. Vote for Obama now and win, keeping Roe v. Wade intact or vote for Hillary and lose, giving the conservatives their final victory on reproductive rights.

Choose wisely. The conservatives will. That is why they usually WIN.

There will be no kumbayah, don't pretend there will be.

Posted by: Bye Bye Democrats on January 30, 2008 at 3:34 PM | PERMALINK

Snake lady? Yikes and yuck. I'd say the nick has got legs, but that's not quite an apt metaphor. Is it?
One thing is certain though: Better put that one in a cage before it escapes into the general population. Could cause serious running for the aisles.

Posted by: Socratic independent on January 30, 2008 at 3:40 PM | PERMALINK

The way to sink St. John is to repeatedly run an ad showing him saying that the Michigan jobs are gone forever and there will be more wars.

And end with the slogan that Pat Buchanan invented for him: Less Jobs, More War.

Posted by: Econobuzz on January 30, 2008 at 3:40 PM | PERMALINK

Liberals are great. John McCain is not a liberal. Therefore, John McCain is not great.

Posted by: Anon on January 30, 2008 at 3:45 PM | PERMALINK

Less Jobs, More War

Hilarious.

What's sad is that slogan would actually work for people.

Posted by: boss@davekenny.org on January 30, 2008 at 3:47 PM | PERMALINK

"This is Sergeant Sacher. We've traced the call, McCain is calling from inside the house!"

Posted by: Hubris on January 30, 2008 at 3:48 PM | PERMALINK

Bye Bye, take that que-ball out of your ass. McFilin couldn't beat a bologna sandwich...

Posted by: elmo on January 30, 2008 at 3:48 PM | PERMALINK

I love the ad. It means that conservatives will be pissed off come the general. They will probably sit on their hands.

Bye Bye Democrats, everybody knows that I prefer Obama, and I think the Clintons are suspect, but when push comes to shove, I am going to out there leading kumbayah for Hillary. Frankly, my beef is with Bill and not Hill, my prayer will be that she doesn't let him out of the East Wing for four years.

Why am I willing to lead Kumbayah--the Supreme Court of the United States. We can't stand for that court to move any more in the direction it is being taken by Roberts and Alito. Individual liberties need champions on that court.

Posted by: corpus juris on January 30, 2008 at 3:50 PM | PERMALINK

vote for Hillary and lose, giving the conservatives their final victory on reproductive rights.

Yeah, that'll be popular.

Whining about abortion = successful. Actually legislating superstition = fail. Kinda like the drug war, the point is not to win.
.

Posted by: Grand Moff Texan on January 30, 2008 at 3:55 PM | PERMALINK

Romney has a pile of money but he's not an appealing person, I think he lost in Florida because he added to this pre-existing baggage by trying to act "Clintonian" in campaign ruthlessness.

Posted by: leo on January 30, 2008 at 3:57 PM | PERMALINK

McCain wins.
Barack Obama wins.

McCain asks the snake lady to be vice.

You heard it here first.

Posted by: snakes are hard to kill on January 30, 2008 at 3:58 PM | PERMALINK

Hulk Hogan just endorsed Obama. Always good in case he gets into a showdown with Mike Huckabee accompanied by Chuck Norris.


Posted by: lampwick on January 30, 2008 at 4:09 PM | PERMALINK


At least the wad of tobacco in his cheek will endear him to the Nascar man-boys.

8

Posted by: 8 on January 30, 2008 at 4:23 PM | PERMALINK

I also am not seeing the smearing. Although it lacks context, everything in this ad is true. Well, except the part about John McCain being surprisingly liberal.

Posted by: Caitlin on January 30, 2008 at 4:25 PM | PERMALINK

What Grand Moff Texan said.

Why in the world would the GOP ever reverse Roe V Wade? They would lose their influence over the Evangelicals and the Evangelicals might start wanting to care for the poor or some other terrible thing like that.

Because the Evangelicals are programmed to follow authority the GOP can simply lead them on forever and ever with the simple slogan "The Democrats would be worse."

Posted by: Tripp on January 30, 2008 at 4:29 PM | PERMALINK

Caitlin,

I also am not seeing the smearing. Although it lacks context, everything in this ad is true. Well, except the part about John McCain being surprisingly liberal.

To the conservatives linking someone to the "She-Devil Who Must Not Be Named"(TM) is a smear.

Posted by: Tripp on January 30, 2008 at 4:31 PM | PERMALINK

You know that Rush Limbaugh really wants Hillary for 8 years. Bill's first term was the best thing that ever happened to Rush; it made him the "Leader of the Opposition" until Newt came along. He never felt like such a big shot before or since.

Posted by: Speed on January 30, 2008 at 4:31 PM | PERMALINK

McCain: Well, like most Americans, I start my day early. First, I through a few flags on the fire and then get to making breafast. After a double latte and a hearty tofu omelet, I head down to the post office to mail my checks to NAMBLA and the PLO. Then it's back home to feed frozen embryos to my pet spotted owl "Eleanor."

I'm crying with laughter over here.

Posted by: shortstop on January 30, 2008 at 4:32 PM | PERMALINK

If you want to know how most Republicans feel about Sen. McCain, it's pretty much how Democrats feel about Sen. Lieberman. Each attracts media attention by flaunting his opposition to certain key tenets of the party's beliefs. Q.E.D.

Posted by: DBL on January 30, 2008 at 4:47 PM | PERMALINK

This is OT but do you remember the other day when I said that potable water would be the new oil?

It is happening sooner than I thought. Minnesota is saying the ethanol plants already constructed are sucking out ground water faster than it can be replenished. One plant even diverted to sucking from the Minnesota river.

From the article it seems it takes two gallons of water to make one gallon of ethanol, and that doesn't even count the water used to grow the corn.

Oh, and it looks like the corn-refuse when fed to cattle may cause an increase in e coli bacteria, but that has yet to be proven.

Hmmm, drink water or drive an SUV, what a choice.

Posted by: Tripp on January 30, 2008 at 4:53 PM | PERMALINK

DBL,

Q.E.D.

I'm not sure that means what you think it means.

Posted by: Tripp on January 30, 2008 at 4:55 PM | PERMALINK

this ad brings up something i mentioned on my blog when edwards dropped out.

if it comes down to hillary versus mccain, i'd be hard pressed to tell the difference between the two, except one has balls and the other's an old man.

Posted by: skippy on January 30, 2008 at 5:01 PM | PERMALINK

To the conservatives linking someone to the "She-Devil Who Must Not Be Named"(TM) is a smear.

Huh? Not to be named? Watch it again.
They have no problem calling a snake a snake.

It is just 40% of the dem party that has trouble calling a reptile, that slithered out of S.Carolina and into Florida, a snake.

Posted by: Snakes alive! on January 30, 2008 at 5:01 PM | PERMALINK

At least the wad of tobacco in his cheek will endear him to the Nascar man-boys.

8

You crack me up little-e...

Posted by: elmo on January 30, 2008 at 5:11 PM | PERMALINK

Snakes alive,

Sheesh, read a freaking book now and then!

Posted by: Tripp on January 30, 2008 at 5:13 PM | PERMALINK

Any of the Hillary supporters still think the Republicans are "afraid" to run against her? Their fundraising and morale would go through the roof if she is the Dem nominee.

Posted by: Ben on January 30, 2008 at 5:15 PM | PERMALINK

Comes voting time and the race is close between McCain and a Dem, I'm voting for McCain. It will be clear the lesson of Bush just hasn't penetrated and we need more instruction.

Posted by: kamajii on January 30, 2008 at 5:19 PM | PERMALINK

Have any of you even bothered to notice the context of that ad? That it's HILLARY that McCain is being compared to? Does the weight of that even bother to register in your heads, people? The Republicans are praying for, hell, dying for Hillary to win the nomination. How in hell you can want her to win the nomination is beyond me at this point.

Posted by: firebrand on January 30, 2008 at 5:23 PM | PERMALINK

Yawn. McCain gets more than $20 million in free advertizing from his friends in the media pretty much every month, and it's been going on for a decade. The Mittster can't overcome that, not if he could hire PT Barnum himself to be his ad man. Between "momentum" and McCain's media shills, this turkey's cooked.

Posted by: Martin Gale on January 30, 2008 at 5:29 PM | PERMALINK

Ben, yes, they're all yellow...

Does the weight of that even bother to register in your heads, people?

Oh yes! It does! Give me more bashing of Hillary, please? I can't express enough how much I want this!

Dude, you can't see the strippers for the tities. You bash her, you lose. You don't bash her, you lose. This shit is priceless!!!

Posted by: elmo on January 30, 2008 at 5:48 PM | PERMALINK
Their fundraising and morale would go through the roof if she is the Dem nominee. Ben
That it's HILLARY that McCain is being compared to? Does the weight of that even bother to register in your heads, people? The Republicans are praying for, hell, dying for Hillary to win the nomination. How in hell you can want her to win the nomination is beyond me at this point. firebrand

All keen sentiments. As if to further hone in on the point, here is the latest Rasmussen poll regarding the hypothetical match-ups between McCain vs. Hillary or Obama. The key point:


  • Barack Obama has a better chance against McCain.

So, Democrats: do you want to win, or do you want to lose?

I have to thank McCain, because his candidacy makes Obama that much more necessary. Whether Barack Obama wins the candidacy or not, I wager that Hillary Clinton's Presidential run is effectively over. Thank you.

Posted by: Boorring on January 30, 2008 at 5:48 PM | PERMALINK

More Hillary!! Woo-hoo!!

Posted by: Swan on January 30, 2008 at 6:00 PM | PERMALINK

So, Democrats: do you want to win, or do you want to lose?

Given their penchant for running Northeast liberals I think the answer is fairly obvious.

Posted by: liberal historian on January 30, 2008 at 6:06 PM | PERMALINK

I wager that Hillary Clinton's Presidential run is effectively over.

How much? In Euros, of course...

Posted by: elmo on January 30, 2008 at 6:06 PM | PERMALINK

Damn...I've been witted from two back-to-back posts...

good stuff.

Posted by: Boorring on January 30, 2008 at 6:10 PM | PERMALINK

The really clever thing is they let the first time rightwing watchers anger reach a boil over Hillary, then link the hatred/anger to StJohn. That doesn't work on the second viewing, but to the uninitiated it may be quite effect. Irrational emotional dislike of the candidate is the desired effect.

Posted by: bigTom on January 30, 2008 at 6:12 PM | PERMALINK

I would think that an Obama/ Webb ticket would be hard to beat in November.

Posted by: Sally on January 30, 2008 at 6:19 PM | PERMALINK

John McCain is hated by hard core conservatives for a reason. He is a lousy candidate. Yes he wins the media vote. I have never seen a candidate so lionized by the mainstream media. I guess that is because he sucks up to them at ever opportunity. Yes he has the neo-con vote, but how many people want America to go marching off to war at every opportunity?

Beyond that he doesn't have nor will he ever have the strong support of evangelicals. Nor does he have the strong support of economic conservatives.

Rove cobbled together damn close wins for Bush by assembling a three legged stool composed of evangelicals, neo-cons and economic conservatives. It was all Bush could do to gather just over 50% with that strong group. McCain has no chance of pulling the three groups together again. He is especially susceptible to the argument that he is running on a platform that can be summarized "fewer jobs, more wars." That isn't going to get it done. Mainstream Republicans are right to be scared of McCain. He is a one way trip to loserville.

Posted by: corpus juris on January 30, 2008 at 6:23 PM | PERMALINK

I think that an Obama/ANYTHING ticket would be hard to beat in November.

Posted by: firebrand on January 30, 2008 at 6:23 PM | PERMALINK

I would think that an Obama/ Webb ticket would be hard to beat in November.

Oh, wait!?! You DID NOT just raise me a Webb!?!

Posted by: elmo on January 30, 2008 at 6:27 PM | PERMALINK

I see your Webb, and raise you a Maya Angelou...

Posted by: elmo on January 30, 2008 at 6:37 PM | PERMALINK

Everyone has to check out the article “White Voters with a Side of Hispanics” on the blogzine Savage Politics. This is an awesome discussion and analysis on the current Democrat and GOP candidates and their eligibility.

www.savagepolitics.com
Here is an excerpt: “Tuesday night’s Florida Primary was a very important episode in the drama in which both the Republican and Democrat Parties are unfolding towards the Presidency of the United States. It also dramatically demonstrated the incredible bias that the Media continues to display towards the Democratic hopeful Barack Obama, in spite of all the evidence pointing to his lack of viability. From MSNBC’s Chris Mathews, who openly stated the day before that any Network that decided to report on the Democratic voting results in Florida was proving a “gross” favoritism for Hillary (ironically enough his Network ended up having to cover it nevertheless), to CNN’s pundits, who continuously utilized the exact same rhetoric that the Obama Campaign was spewing to excuse their defeat (”Beauty Pageant” was their favorite phrase, with all the sexist connotations it implies). All the same, the Florida results in the Democratic side were overwhelmingly favorable to Hillary Clinton, who won a 50% margin, to Obama’s 33%, Edwards’ 14%, and Gravel’s 1%. On the Republican side, it was John McCain who came out victorious with a 36% margin, to Romney’s 31%, Giuliani’s 15%, Huckabee’s 14%, and Paul’s 3%. Let’s discuss each Party’s results and their realistic consequence.
First, we have the very significant victory of John McCain. His candidacy was, from the very start, labeled as a failure due to his unpopularity amongst most “base” Republicans, much of it owed to McCain’s overwhelmingly dubious record on Conservative issues. His notorious tendency to side with multiple (highly despised) Democrats on issues like Immigration, Bush’s Tax Cuts and other measures, have always been enough to marginalize him from even the “moderate wing” within his Party. Still, when the Florida Exit Polls are analyzed, they reflect many unexpected re-alignments in his favor. Evangelical/Born Again Christians voted for John McCain in a 30% margin, in comparison to both Romney’s and Huckabee’s 29%. This may seem like an insignificant difference, but when you also consider that the majority of non-Evangelicals (Catholics, Atheist, etc.) also…” Find the rest of the article at http://savagepolitics.com/?p=64

Posted by: Elsylee on January 30, 2008 at 6:42 PM | PERMALINK

corpus juris wrote: "Rove cobbled together damn close wins for Bush by assembling a three legged stool composed of evangelicals, neo-cons and economic conservatives. It was all Bush could do to gather just over 50% with that strong group. McCain has no chance of pulling the three groups together again."

I think he does. McCain will have no problem pulling together the "neo-cons" (ie. neo-imperialists) and the "economic conservatives" (ie. America's Ultra-Rich Ruling Class, Inc.). He is a "neo-con" imperialist, and he is a reliable servant of the ultra-rich corporate ruling class.

If he picks Huckabee as his VP candidate he will have all of the evengelicals out in force.

I think it is more than likely that a McCain/Huckabee ticket (with the full-throated support of America's corporate-owned mass media), running against Clinton or Obama with whatever VP (subjected to a full-blown onslaught of character assassination from the corporate media as was Gore in 2000), could come close enough to steal the election. Again.


Posted by: SecularAnimist on January 30, 2008 at 6:43 PM | PERMALINK

The wingers don't hate McCain because he's a lousy candidate, they hate him because he has bucked them any number of issues (eg - McCain/ Feingold, immigration, etc).

The wingers may hate him, and he might be a lousy candidate, but that will change the second Hillary becomes his opponent.


Posted by: ben on January 30, 2008 at 6:46 PM | PERMALINK

Some liberals may hate Hillary, and she might be a marked candidate, but that will change the second McFilin gets caught calling her a (fill in your own McFilin off the cuff "maverick" comment).

Posted by: elmo on January 30, 2008 at 7:07 PM | PERMALINK

Some liberals may hate Hillary, and she might be a marked candidate, but that will change the second McFilin gets caught calling her a (fill in your own McFilin off the cuff "maverick" comment).

K...

Some liberals may hate Hillary, and she might be a marked candidate, but that will change the second McFilin gets caught calling her an elmo.

Posted by: anon on January 30, 2008 at 7:32 PM | PERMALINK

Ok, that's good.

Posted by: elmo on January 30, 2008 at 7:53 PM | PERMALINK

Was he really a tortured prisoner in Vietnam, or did the Chinese commies turn him into a mole with luxury treatment in China? Can anybody verify his story? Doesn't make sense that a guy supposedly so gravely injured could survive such tortures as described.

His policy seems to fit in with the Chinese Pacifica strategy of dividing American down the middle with Aztlan and loading up the west coast with Asians and thousands of Chinese agents riding the snake with illegal aliens of Chinese origin.

Posted by: Luther on January 30, 2008 at 7:56 PM | PERMALINK

Don't count on wingers hating McCain. There is a long post up righht now endorsing McCain as the most electable candidate.

He is a very formidable candidate.

Too bad our side isn't smart enough to consider electability. We're on thhe brink of choosing a candidate that is hated by nearly half the populationn, hated by thhe press, and more capable of inspiring her enemies than her own base.

Posted by: wonkie on January 30, 2008 at 9:48 PM | PERMALINK

Wonkie, you are spot on. One rose in an onion patch.

Posted by: Judith on January 31, 2008 at 2:42 AM | PERMALINK

Is Mitt a conservative? Depends on the year and race;

Abortion rights
"I will preserve and protect a woman's right to choose and am devoted and dedicated to honoring my word in that regard."
Boston Herald Debate, 10/29/02

"Roe v. Wade continues to work its destructive logic throughout our society This can't continue."
Speech to the Massachusetts Citizens For Life Mother's Day Pioneer Valley Dinner, 5/10/07

Immigration reform
"With these 11 million people [here illegally], let's have them registered, know who they are....those that are here paying taxes and not taking government benefits should begin a process towards application for citizenship."
Lowell Sun, 3/30/06

"One simple rule: no amnesty.If that [Kennedy-McCain bill] is not a form of amnesty, I don't know what is."
New York Times, 6/4/07

Gun laws
"We do have tough gun laws in Massachusetts; I support them. I won't chip away at them; I believe they protect us and provide for our safety."
Romney in 2002 gov. debate, Boston Globe, 1/14/07

"I have a gun of my own. I go hunting myself. I'm a member of the NRA and believe firmly in the right to bear arms."
Boston Globe, 1/14/07

Amendment to ban gay marriage
"Mitt does not support it...As far as Mitt is concerned, it goes farther than current law, and therefore it's unnecessary."
Romney spokesman, Boston Globe, 3/22/02

"When I was Governor, we took every conceivable step within the law to stop, block or slow down this unprecedented court decision."
Speech to National Right to Life Convention, 6/15/07

"No new taxes" pledge
"I'm not intending to, at this stage, sign a document which would prevent me from being able to look specifically at the revenue needs of the commonwealth"
Associated Press, 3/27/02

"Signing the pledge now sends a very clear message to those in Washington who have voted against tax relief and for tax hikes that such actions will never grow our regional and national economies."
Romney spokesman, Boston Globe, 1/5/07

Minimum wage
"I think the minimum wage ought to keep pace with inflation. I think the minimum wage is a good thing to have in our economy and I think it ought to be updated."
Boston Globe, 10/17/94

"[T]he challenge with raising the minimum wage excessively is it is a hurt to those that are entering the work force, the very poor, those that are trying to get early jobs, get those first jobs."
Associated Press, 7/25/06

Cutting Social Security
"I don't think you go back and rewrite the contract the government has with people who've retired."
Boston Globe, 10/17/94
"Personal accounts would be a big plus."... [Romney]also said changing the retirement age could be considered, as well as basing the Social Security cost of living adjustment on a different inflation gauge.
Union Leader, 6/7/07

Adoption non-discrimination
Governor Mitt Romney and a legislative leader yesterday delivered unwelcome news to the Catholic bishops of Massachusetts, who plan to seek permission from the state to exclude gay and lesbian parents from adopting children through its social service agencies. The governor said he was not authorized to give such an exemption...
Boston Globe, 2/17/06

"And then another slide along the slippery slope. The Catholic Church was forced to end its adoption service, which was crucial in helping the state find homes for some of our most difficult to place children... Now, even religious freedom was being trumped by the new-found 'right' of gay marriage."
Speech to National Right to Life Convention, 6/15/07

Stem cell research
[Romney]endorsed embryonic stem cell research, saying the controversial science might one day help treat his wife's multiple sclerosis...."I am in favor of stem cell research. I will work and fight for stem cell research. I'd be happy to talk to [President Bush] about this, though I don't know if I could budge him an inch."
Boston Globe, 6/14/02

"FACT: Governor Romney Opposes Using Taxpayer Money to Fund Embryo-Destructive Research."
MittRomney.com A Record of Protecting Life

Bush tax cuts
Governor Mitt Romney refused yesterday to endorse tax cuts at the heart of President Bush's economic program...In addition to refusing to endorse the president's tax cut, the governor surprised several people at the meeting by saying he is open to a federal increase in gas taxes.
Boston Globe, 4/11/0

[Romney] said it was "absolutely critical" to renew tax cuts proposed by President George W. Bush. Letting them expire would result in a "massive tax increase" that would retard economic growth, Romney said.
Detroit Free Press, 2/8/07

Reagan Republicanism
"I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush."
Boston Herald, 10/27/94
"Ronald Reagan is ... my hero. ... I believe that our party's ascendancy began with Ronald Reagan's brand of visionary and courageous leadership."
Boston Globe, 1/19/07

Desire to serve in Vietnam
"I was not planning on signing up for the military. It was not my desire to go off and serve in Vietnam..."
Boston Herald, 5/2/94

"I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there and in some ways it was frustrating not to feel like I was there as part of the troops that were fighting in Vietnam."
Boston Globe, 6/24/07

Posted by: Peter from Dover NH on January 31, 2008 at 7:04 AM | PERMALINK

Then there is Angry Mitt;

Mitt’s Legendary Temper
HUNTSVILLE, UTAH (2002) -- USE OF PROFANITY WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT
On February 10, 2002, while overseeing 2002 Winter Olympics, ROMNEY became extremely angry upon encountering a traffic jam at a venue and proceeded to berate two persons authorized to direct traffic there, including with obscenity laced tirades, according to a police captain at the scene and a volunteer targeted by ROMNEY. The traffic volunteer Shaun Knopp stated that ROMNEY "asked me who the f___ I was and what the f___ I was doing. We got the Olympics going on we don't need this s___ down here."8 Weber County Sheriff's Office Capt. Terry Shaw, commander of the Snowbasin venue, stated that ROMNEY twice used the F-word while also berating one of his officers, Deputy Kodi Taggart. Capt. Shaw stated that ROMNEY "was abusive" to his officer and advised, unsuccessfully, that "he needs to apologize."9 ROMNEY denied part of the allegation, insisting he hadn't used the F-word since high school -- but admitted he used a word he described as "H-E-double hockey sticks." Disposition: The Utah Department of Safety advised it had decided against initiating a "profanity probe."

Salt Lake Tribune, 2/15/02; Boston Globe, 8/11/02

Posted by: Peter from Dover NH on January 31, 2008 at 7:05 AM | PERMALINK

"I think that an Obama/ANYTHING ticket would be hard to beat in November."

Look, I don't have a dog in the Hillary-Obama fight. I liked Edwards and thought he was the most electable. But if you Obama supporters think he's going to get a free ride to the presidency, well, I want some of what you're smoking. By November he'll be the crack-smoking, jive-talking, madrassa-attending Hussein Osama.

Posted by: Jose Padilla on January 31, 2008 at 8:06 AM | PERMALINK

It will be long before November that Obama's record will be used to make him the take away your guns, soft on crime, unfair to cops, let the immigrants take your jobs, soft on terrorists, pro-partial birth abortion, never did a hard day's work in his life, vote missing, inexperienced in business and military matters candidate of the rich liberal intelligentsia.

Posted by: Chrissy on January 31, 2008 at 10:02 AM | PERMALINK

You forgot to add "supports decriminalizing pot."

Posted by: Pat on January 31, 2008 at 1:52 PM | PERMALINK

Ok, are the conservatives gone crazy. They rather would have Clinton als president (national social security, more subsidies for abortions, gay marriage, gun control and so on) then a guy who has a score of 89 of conservative on the voting table...

Posted by: Nicolas on February 2, 2008 at 3:59 PM | PERMALINK

Our country needs a leader that respects the will of the people.

Please take a look at the reasons why McCain is wrong for America, and support someone that can actually turn our great country around, rather than keep it on the same downhill course. Our personal freedoms are at stake. How much privacy and freedom are you willing to give up to our government for them to “protect us from a terrorist threat” that has no more likelihood of killing an American than a bolt of lightning. Fear is a powerful weapon, and we cannot let ourselves be oppressed by it.

http://www.anybodybutjohnmccain.com/

Posted by: FreedomCall on February 10, 2008 at 5:58 PM | PERMALINK




 

 

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