March 4, 2008
MUKASEY'S PARADOX....Jonathan Turley on Attorney General Michael Mukasey:
In his twisting of legal principles, the attorney general has succeeded in creating a perfect paradox. Under Mukasey's Paradox, lawyers cannot commit crimes when they act under the orders of a president — and a president cannot commit a crime when he acts under advice of lawyers.
Bertrand Russell would be proud.
—Kevin Drum 11:31 AM
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Another piece of human garbage Bush nomination. The senate must be so proud. What are they, about 0 for 25 in the posts that really matter?
Posted by: Jeff II on March 4, 2008 at 11:37 AM | PERMALINK
Bertrand Russell would be proud.
So would Joseph Heller.
Posted by: low-tech cyclist on March 4, 2008 at 11:46 AM | PERMALINK
It doesn't sound like a paradox. Rather a perfect example of circular reasoning.
Posted by: bigTom on March 4, 2008 at 11:46 AM | PERMALINK
Has Schumer responding to any of this?
Posted by: gussie on March 4, 2008 at 11:49 AM | PERMALINK
The flaw in the paradox is that there are 2 distinct scenarios presented to make 1 paradox.. doesn't work that way. For it to be correct, both would have to be in relation to the same act or event to set up the pefrect chicken and egg paradox.
Posted by: Sean Galbraith on March 4, 2008 at 11:58 AM | PERMALINK
thanks again, Harry Reid and the rest of the Senate dinks.
Posted by: cleek on March 4, 2008 at 11:58 AM | PERMALINK
sssssssssssssssssssssssssss
Posted by: paradox on March 4, 2008 at 12:04 PM | PERMALINK
No problem. This makes perfect sense to good Christians who know the Bible is the word of God because it says so in the Bible which is the word of God.
Posted by: Tripp on March 4, 2008 at 12:06 PM | PERMALINK
It becomes a paradox when you add in the fact that, working together, the President and his lawyers committed crimes.
Posted by: reino on March 4, 2008 at 12:08 PM | PERMALINK
That is so fucked up. I wonder if any of these Republicans out there are starting to recognize our contry as being like Mao's China or like Hitler's regime? I sure am.
Posted by: Swan on March 4, 2008 at 12:12 PM | PERMALINK
Was there anyone who the President would have been nominated that would not have done this?
I say this seriously and not to excuse the Senate or Mukasey. But how many times has this happens? The President puts forward a nominee. The media swoons over them and can't stop talking about how "independent", "tough minded", and "accomplished" they are. They talk about how he will stand up to the President when need be. Congress confirms. The next week the guy is doing whatever Bush and Cheney tell him to do.
Posted by: Joshua on March 4, 2008 at 12:13 PM | PERMALINK
I fault the Democrats for this state of affairs. In any democracy, there will always be parties that try to take advantage of the system to make it less democratic, but it is the obligation of the political opposition to nip in the bud any tendencies like the Bushies' largely successful attempts to move us to a more authoritarian/corporatist form of governance. I know this makes me a defeatist pessimist of pessimistic defeatist, but I have not heard anything from the Democratic leaders that offers any semblance of hope that things will change if they are in power. Not Clinton. Not even Obama.
Posted by: gregor on March 4, 2008 at 12:21 PM | PERMALINK
11 more months.
Posted by: hollywood on March 4, 2008 at 12:25 PM | PERMALINK
321 Days until Republican Senators and Representatives think it is once again important to respect the rule of law, keep the President accountable, and that Presidential Power should be limited.
Posted by: RobertSeattle on March 4, 2008 at 12:39 PM | PERMALINK
Don't know much about paradoxes, not having been raised on Gilbert & Sullivan. For me this brings to mind a Moebius Strip -- just a quick twist brings us to unforeseen onesidedness.
Posted by: MaryCh on March 4, 2008 at 12:48 PM | PERMALINK
321 days?
Actually, I expect the unwinding to start in November. Bush will modify his executive orders and/or congress will enact the appropriate laws before the republican numbers drop even further.
Posted by: kis on March 4, 2008 at 12:49 PM | PERMALINK
On that note... I hope someone's been keeping good track of everything that was done/undone during this administration. Sounds like a good list to start from in the first 100 days.
The first item should be coming clean about all the wiretapping since 2000.
Posted by: kis on March 4, 2008 at 12:55 PM | PERMALINK
Everytime I see or hear from Turley now, I want to get on a plane, go to Georgetown, and kick him square in his a$$. He was one of the talking heads who had the most fun licking his lips over every salacious little detail Ken Starr could fish out of the sewer and lob to the press corps during the Clinton impeachment. How's that BJ lookin' to you now, Jonathan? Still the worst thing that ever happened in the Oval Office?
Posted by: Jersey Tomato on March 4, 2008 at 1:09 PM | PERMALINK
Every time Mukasey opens his mouth, I thank Chuck Schumer and Diane Feinstein for being such egotistical, gullible pawns.
Posted by: jen flowers on March 4, 2008 at 1:19 PM | PERMALINK
Not a paradox, merely arrogant self-justification, swallowed meekly by a complicit Congress. Nothing to see here, move along.
Posted by: Bob on March 4, 2008 at 3:11 PM | PERMALINK
"They wrote a book about it, it was just like ancient rome... a garbage bag with Latin writ on it than nobody gives a shit"
-- Tip of the hat to Lou Reed.
Posted by: Buford on March 4, 2008 at 3:31 PM | PERMALINK
Put the blame where it belongs, on Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, and to a lesser extent on Chris Dodd.
Any of these people had multiple opportunities to block this, to take a stand, to use their bully pulpit.
Had Obama or Clinton done this alone, that person would not be in a primary today. Had they worked together on this, McCain would not be beating either of them.
Could Kodos have done any worse?
Posted by: jerry on March 4, 2008 at 3:44 PM | PERMALINK
And to you, Buford, for quoting New York. Gregory, our other resident LR fan, will be along shortly to add his thanks, I'm sure.
Posted by: shortstop on March 4, 2008 at 3:44 PM | PERMALINK
Could Kodos have done any worse?
Don't blame me. I voted for Kang.
Posted by: Stefan on March 4, 2008 at 5:22 PM | PERMALINK
Speaking of Lou:
Well Americans don't care for much of anything
land and water the least
And animal life is low on the totem pole
with human life not worth more than infected yeast
Americans don't care too much for beauty
They'll shit in a river, dump battery acid in a stream
They'll watch dead rats wash up on the beach
and complain if they can't swim
They say things are done for the majority
Don't believe half of what you see, and none of what you hear
It's a lot like what my painter friend Donald said to me
"Stick a fork in their ass and turn them over, they're done"
-- Lou Reed, "Last Great American Whale."
Posted by: Stefan on March 4, 2008 at 5:25 PM | PERMALINK
Bertrand Russell would roll over in his grave.
Posted by: Aatos on March 4, 2008 at 8:45 PM | PERMALINK
We have come to realize that there are higher values than rule of law. If Washington is irrevocably corrupt on illegal infiltration, for example, then it is the law that must be reformed and/or reinterpreted to accommodate the change in cultural values, because PC is a higher value than law, in the lib value system. Washington Republicans likewise find higher value in security than in quaint old laws on rights and checks and balances. As libs have their corrupt Kennedy's, Durbin's, Dodd's, et. al., so corrupt Republicans have their Gonzalez's, Cheney's, Mukasey's, et.al. All cut from the same cloth.
Posted by: Luther on March 4, 2008 at 11:33 PM | PERMALINK
Yes, back in 2001,2002, when Bush was placing all those rightwing dittoheads in the DOJ - it WAS being reported at the time - my flesh was crawling at what I imagined they were going to come up with, and how it was going to play out. It scared the Bejeezus out of me then, as it does everyone now.
They knew THEN what they were going to do: just what Jonathan Turley says. Bush ordered them to come up with legal-parsing-ese that would allow him to do what he wanted to do (though give the credit in that respect to Rove and Cheney and the neocons, not the Doofus). So THEY would get off because they were following the President's edicts. THAT part I didn't foresee. But HIM telling the world, "Well, folks, that's what the lawyers said I could do, so I did it - how was I to know? They're the experts!" was EXACTLY what I thought he would do.
THIS IS NOT ONE TIME I WANTED TO BE CORRECT...
Posted by: SteveGinIL on March 5, 2008 at 2:00 AM | PERMALINK
Oh, this is just beautiful.
Everyone else can commit crimes under the advice of lawyers. The President should not be exempt either.
Posted by: Psyberian on March 5, 2008 at 7:43 AM | PERMALINK